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Post by madmickthe3rd on Jul 11, 2017 8:51:39 GMT
The other thing is that he looks good in an average mid table team like us, but I would doubt he would get anywhere near the bench, let along the first 11, of a top six side in England. Look what happened to Bego as an example!
Sometimes it is better to be the big fish in the small pond Arnie and realise that your not and never will be Messi.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 11, 2017 8:54:17 GMT
If he really wants to leave then the management should set with him and ask him if it's for better salary then we should negotiate increasing his salary by a reasonable amount. If not and he insists that he leaves then ask him and WH for a delay till January. So, that we can evaluate our options or at least gain some time to integrate Sobhi while we still have Arni. Arni wants something he knows we can't give him: trophies, which require us to spend money we either don't have or appear unwilling to spend. I fear he's right about the lack of ambition. It's all a bit discouraging.
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Post by boothenesque on Jul 11, 2017 8:54:30 GMT
How much more than 80 grand a week would you consider over board ? any thing more than extra 20k and he can go for me. As I said negotiate with him and make him think he is of a value to us but also don't let him think that without him we are lost. Let the slash them, we're better off without them, they'll just drag you down with them.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 11, 2017 8:55:52 GMT
Doesn't look good for potential signings. I remember last summer Joe Allen asking about the Arnie situation and said him staying was a key reason for signing. Hopefully it doesn't put a spanner in the works for signing Delph and the other players we're interested in.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 11, 2017 8:56:50 GMT
The other thing is that he looks good in an average mid table team like us, but I would doubt he would get anywhere near the bench, let along the first 11, of a top six side in England. Look what happened to Bego as an example! Sometimes it is better to be the big fish in the small pond Arnie and realise that your not and never will be Messi. Bego would have been number 1 for Manchester United though.... had he played the waiting game for a few more days. De Gea was on the cusp of a move to Real Madrid, then a day or two after Begovic moved to Chelsea, Man Utd pulled the paperwork and offered him a huge contract. Not saying the two are linked, but they very well could be. His mistake was moving to Chelsea. There was no chance of them not persevering with Courtois, even though that first season Bego was probably the better of the two.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 11, 2017 8:57:19 GMT
The other thing is that he looks good in an average mid table team like us, but I would doubt he would get anywhere near the bench, let along the first 11, of a top six side in England. Look what happened to Bego as an example! Sometimes it is better to be the big fish in the small pond Arnie and realise that your not and never will be Messi. Arni has said on many occasions, and there's reason not to believe him, that he prefers to make goals for others than scoring them himself. I suspect he's coming to the conclusion that either Stoke don't have or are unwilling to buy the players capable of converting the chances he creates.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 11, 2017 8:57:59 GMT
Doesn't look good for potential signings. I remember last summer Joe Allen asking about the Arnie situation and said him staying was a key reason for signing. Hopefully it doesn't put a spanner in the works for signing Delph and the other players we're interested in. You have to think it won't help.
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Post by werrington on Jul 11, 2017 8:58:53 GMT
Having slept on it...fuck him. I think I'm more concerned about what this potentially 'signals' for the club, 1 rather than I am losing Arnautovic for the right money? I suppose it's galling to think that any player feels that West Ham is a step up,2 but if that's his opinion.... Will it make potential signings think twice? It might actually...it's not good 'PR' after all. As someone's already said, you can use this as a springboard to re-build parts of your squad, and christ we need it. We've got a couple of significant saleable assets, which should generate enough cash to overhaul half the first XI. Would I trust us to do that properly? No If he rocks up for West Ham here next season, I might just save half my Wrights Pie for him 😐 1. I understand, but also think most people in the game know what Arni is like and won't pay much attention to what he says. 2. I have lived outside North Staffs for over 50 years (but still have relatives there) and I don't think people in the area realise how little the area is thought of by the rest of the country. Many think Stoke City have no right to be in the Prem and would consider West Ham a much bigger more attractive club, but most people just don't even ever think about Stoke and would have difficulty telling you where it was, particularly those south of Birmingham or the east side of the country. He doesn't live in Stoke though...he like the others live in Cheshire in and around Manchester or Liverpool Anyway we digress...London is a massive pull wether whu are bigger or not
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Post by kustokie on Jul 11, 2017 8:59:00 GMT
The other thing is that he looks good in an average mid table team like us, but I would doubt he would get anywhere near the bench, let along the first 11, of a top six side in England. Look what happened to Bego as an example! Sometimes it is better to be the big fish in the small pond Arnie and realise that your not and never will be Messi. Bego would have been number 1 for Manchester United though.... had he played the waiting game for a few more days. De Gea was on the cusp of a move to Real Madrid, then a day or two after Begovic moved to Chelsea, Man Utd pulled the paperwork and offered him a huge contract. Not saying the two are linked, but they very well could be. His mistake was moving to Chelsea. There was no chance of them not persevering with Courtois, even though that first season Bego was probably the better of the two. I thought the Real Madrid fell through because their fax machine wasn't working.
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Post by boothenesque on Jul 11, 2017 9:02:29 GMT
any thing more than extra 20k and he can go for me. As I said negotiate with him and make him think he is of a value to us but also don't let him think that without him we are lost. Let the slash them, we're better off without them, they'll just drag you down with them. West Ham? Trophies? We helped him get his career back on track. His trajectory was down and now it's upward. If we can get a good fee for him, say thanks, part on good terms re-invest the money and life goes on. We helped him, paid him, he repaid us by being a good player. If he wants to move then let him go at a fair price and have our blessing. I'm more concerned whether the club will get a fair price in the current market as we always seem to get the shitty end of the stick when others seem to rake it in.
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Post by alster on Jul 11, 2017 9:02:57 GMT
Good player But how does he manage to be 6 foot 4 built like a brick outhouse and no threat whatsoever in the air. Probably bigger than thorne sheron and beattie, even alan shearer for that matter, but zero interest in heading the ball. Definitely a one off in good ways and bad. Yes, it's really strange. We can't compare him as a player now, to what he was when he arrived. He has "come on" tremendously. I think he still does have the "show pony" about him. Maybe another year or two and he will be slotting in those easy goals, and not just the hard ones. Without a few show ponies football becomes a much poorer spectacle. Ric could have been called a show pony too but for a few years he was the only thing worth watching in a Stoke shirt.
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Post by furny88 on Jul 11, 2017 9:07:09 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 11, 2017 9:07:24 GMT
Trouble is with him, he himself thinks he is better than he really is. He will struggle in a top side because they will not put up with his inconsistencies. Oh we'll let him go I say... I agree. His 'moments' are every now and then, and in some ways it would be a relief to have a proper hard working fast direct winger who doesn't hold his leg Everytime he loses the ball and who doesn't throw his arms in the air and sulk when things aren't going well for him. And let's face it, I bet we've all seen more arms in the air than 'moments'. I've been asking this question on here for a while, would we be better off with two direct wingers rather than 'inverted' ones? Or at least have them as an option. I've wondered if that was part of our problem last season, because too many times we were very static and slow in attack and had no out ball? I know that I'll be called old fashioned, but we might actually get a few crosses in as well.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 11, 2017 9:07:36 GMT
If he really wants to leave then the management should set with him and ask him if it's for better salary then we should negotiate increasing his salary by a reasonable amount. If not and he insists that he leaves then ask him and WH for a delay till January. So, that we can evaluate our options or at least gain some time to integrate Sobhi while we still have Arni. Arni wants something he knows we can't give him: trophies, which require us to spend money we either don't have or appear unwilling to spend. I fear he's right about the lack of ambition. It's all a bit discouraging. And he's going to get those trophies and that 'ambition' at West Ham is he?
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Post by kustokie on Jul 11, 2017 9:09:05 GMT
Let the slash them, we're better off without them, they'll just drag you down with them. West Ham? Trophies? We helped him get his career back on track. His trajectory was down and now it's upward. If we can get a good fee for him, say thanks, part on good terms re-invest the money and life goes on. We helped him, paid him, he repaid us by being a good player. If he wants to move then let him go at a fair price and have our blessing. I'm more concerned whether the club will get a fair price in the current market as we always seem to get the shitty end of the stick when others seem to rake it in. Stoke will always be a stepping stone for a player trying to resurrect his career. N'zonzi and Arni are just the first of many more to come - as long as we stay in the PL that is. Avoiding relegation instead of pushing for Europe seems more likely the way things look. But it's early days, keep the faith. UTMP.
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Post by boothenesque on Jul 11, 2017 9:11:55 GMT
The other thing is that he looks good in an average mid table team like us, but I would doubt he would get anywhere near the bench, let along the first 11, of a top six side in England. Look what happened to Bego as an example! Sometimes it is better to be the big fish in the small pond Arnie and realise that your not and never will be Messi. Arni has said on many occasions, and there's reason not to believe him, that he prefers to make goals for others than scoring them himself. I suspect he's coming to the conclusion that either Stoke don't have or are unwilling to buy the players capable of converting the chances he creates. Don't really buy that. How many times have you seen him not pass, be greedy and blaze wide going for the spectacular? Flip side though, a big player in a small pond can be a bigger player with better players around him, more competition can motivate them, or things don't go their own way and they take a dip. e.g Bego. We have been trying to find someone to bang them in. Maybe he hasn't created as many chances as he thinks. It's sad if he goes, good player, but if that's what's happening it's best taking the blow on the chin with some dignity rather than all the embarrassing knicker wetting on here.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 11, 2017 9:14:38 GMT
Arni wants something he knows we can't give him: trophies, which require us to spend money we either don't have or appear unwilling to spend. I fear he's right about the lack of ambition. It's all a bit discouraging. And he's going to get those trophies and that 'ambition' at West Ham is he? West Ham may just be the first team in the picture. Once it's known he's available there will be others. And yes, I do believe WH have more ambition than Stoke and London has things that the NW MIdlands just can't offer. Then there's the pressure from peers and agents to consider. But this is Groundhog Day for Arni, the same thing happened this time last year and he ended up staying. If Stoke sign a couple of good players to plug the obvious gaps he may stay. If not, he'll be off.
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Post by pez75 on Jul 11, 2017 9:19:13 GMT
"The Austria international received medical treatment on the pitch and was assisted off by the Stoke physio" Fools! They obvs dont know Arnie - he does this nearly every game, bless him
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 11, 2017 9:19:26 GMT
And he's going to get those trophies and that 'ambition' at West Ham is he? West Ham may just be the first team in the picture. Once it's known he's available there will be others. And yes, I do believe WH have more ambition than Stoke and London has things that the NW MIdlands just can't offer. Then there's the pressure from peers and agents to consider. But this is Groundhog Day for Arni, the same thing happened this time last year and he ended up staying. If Stoke sign a couple of good players to plug the obvious gaps he may stay. If not, he'll be off. If he's using West Ham to smoke out other interest I could see that. If he genuinely wants to go there then it's about money and nothing else. We are a stepping stone, but so are they.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 11, 2017 9:24:45 GMT
Mu guess is £22 million Grapey. As my better half is a Hammer, this could well get more personal and painful than I would like. I have no problem with any player wanting to better themselves, especially one who has been with us for a decent chunk of time. However, I'd question whether West Ham really satisfy his 'ambitions' criteria. Let's face it, the bright lights of London and more money probably suffice.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 11, 2017 9:25:02 GMT
This is purely his agent who has ££££££'s before his greedy piggy eyes!
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 11, 2017 9:29:12 GMT
West Ham may just be the first team in the picture. Once it's known he's available there will be others. And yes, I do believe WH have more ambition than Stoke and London has things that the NW MIdlands just can't offer. Then there's the pressure from peers and agents to consider. But this is Groundhog Day for Arni, the same thing happened this time last year and he ended up staying. If Stoke sign a couple of good players to plug the obvious gaps he may stay. If not, he'll be off. If he's using West Ham to smoke out other interest I could see that. If he genuinely wants to go there then it's about money and nothing else. We are a stepping stone, but so are they. At his age, we're his last stepping stone.
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Post by miggo on Jul 11, 2017 9:33:12 GMT
What if he thinks the exact same as we are all thinking, we are going backwards. Ambitious players always want to win trophies and we look a million miles away from winning anything. Maybe he's just pissed off the same as we all are. At West Ham..? Has he said he wants to go to West ham ? Just because they have bid doesn't mean he wants to go there does it.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 11, 2017 9:35:38 GMT
If he were to leave,I would be more concerned if we had to go out and replace him,but we have Ramadam, who I think could end up one if not the best outfield player at the club,so I will repeat what I said yesterday, if he doe's not want to be at Stoke City, he can feck off,finish mid table (like with Stoke) at West Ham, and live the high life in London, or if one of the top 8 come in for him, he can spend a lot of the time keeping the subs bench warm.
Better players than him have come and gone at Stoke, yet we are still here, and he wont be the last.
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Post by homer32 on Jul 11, 2017 9:44:46 GMT
Having slept on it I'm glad Arnie's asked for a move.This should bring things to head and get Scholes to pull his finger out.They need to convince Arnie that we can move forward as I suspect this is his main reason for putting in his request.I don't think he really wants to leave but he doesn't want to play in a team going nowhere except down.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 11, 2017 9:49:09 GMT
Having slept on it I'm glad Arnie's asked for a move.This should bring things to head and get Scholes to pull his finger out. They need to convince Arnie that we can move forward as I suspect this is his main reason for putting in his request.I don't think he really wants to leave but he doesn't want to play in a team going nowhere except down. I'm guessing we convinced him last summer to sign a new contract and we've ended up going backwards.
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Post by Ygor on Jul 11, 2017 10:21:55 GMT
"The Austria international received medical treatment on the pitch and was assisted off by the Stoke physio" Fools! They obvs dont know Arnie - he does this nearly every game, bless him
Why are we bothering to play someone in pre-season who no longer wants to wear he shirt?
We should be blooding those that want to play and shipping Arnie out as soon as is reasonably possible.
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Post by bassmaster on Jul 11, 2017 10:25:41 GMT
Just watched the video of his *injury* on Sky Sports. What a faker.
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Post by pez75 on Jul 11, 2017 10:31:13 GMT
"The Austria international received medical treatment on the pitch and was assisted off by the Stoke physio" Fools! They obvs dont know Arnie - he does this nearly every game, bless him
Why are we bothering to play someone in pre-season who no longer wants to wear he shirt?
We should be blooding those that want to play and shipping Arnie out as soon as is reasonably possible.
Don't take it so personally. He is a Stoke player until we sell him. It is in both our interests for him to be fit and in form. If we want Arnie to stay (I know I do) then we need to resolve whatever issue he has that has caused this to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 10:37:58 GMT
Players have handed in transfer requests before and still worked their bollocks off for the team. Before we hang anyone let's see what the facts are and how the next few days pan out......
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