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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 10, 2017 21:38:25 GMT
Anything less than £30M in the current climate would be mental.
If he wants out we should sell.
Less than £30M would be charity.
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Post by StokeAz on Jul 10, 2017 21:39:07 GMT
We'll end up with 10 million and Snodgrass Funny you should say that😄 My feelings right now...
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Post by Davef on Jul 10, 2017 21:42:27 GMT
On the downside, Arnie might have a point about ambition. I had two threads about lack of ambition shitbinned. Seems the admins on here want to stick their head in the sand too. On the upside, Sobhi looked like our best player last season. There are plenty of views on here about the club's perceived lack of ambition, some we agree with, others we don't. You obviously consider yourself so important that you have to start your own thread instead of including them in threads like this one and the countless others that would give you the opportunity to do so.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Jul 10, 2017 21:42:39 GMT
I can't understand why the fuck any Stoke fan would be happy to see the back of Arnautovic especially to a rival? He's the best player we've had since we came up imo. The blokes class and even if he does have an off day he's one of only 2 or 3 in the squad who can produce magic from nowhere. We will really struggle to replace him for the £25m quoted in today's market.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 10, 2017 21:45:41 GMT
I'd like to see something like that too but just not realistic in my opinion, he'd be a mare of a disruption. Get him gone quick for as much as possible Looks like you might just get ur wish Bayern, plenty of youth in the team I'd prefer Arnie! They're not ready to be relied upon consistently, they are (and indeed were last season) ready to be used for more than in desperation. We never seem to have the best of both worlds at this damn club. Thought Ramadan was the ready made replacement. You were calling for him to start last season.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 10, 2017 21:46:13 GMT
I can't understand why the fuck any Stoke fan would be happy to see the back of Arnautovic especially to a rival? He's the best player we've had since we came up imo. The blokes class and even if he does have an off day he's one of only 2 or 3 in the squad who can produce magic from nowhere. We will really struggle to replace him for the £25m quoted in today's market. The reason why some of us want to see him go is because he's asked to go! If it was the Club trying to sell him to raise cash I'd be going mental but he's asked to go, so to avoid disruption to the squad we need to move him on as quickly as possible for the highest possible fee.
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Post by bojancity on Jul 10, 2017 21:46:19 GMT
Surely we need to make a statement here. If arnie is ultimately sold to PSG or AC Milan, we probably have to accept that is the reality of life and hope that the next arnie can see we can be the stepping stone for champions league football. I could bare losing one of our beat players to a top club especially as he plays in a position where we seem to be overloaded with exceptional young talent.
Unless there is a release clause (and lets all hope there isnt !), we need to unequivocally say that west hams bid is offensive and frankly ridicule it. Why on earth would stoke city sell one of their best olayers to a team that has finished below them in 3 of the last 4 seasons?
Maybe we should make a £15 million offer for Lanzini?
I think the point that Coates HAS to make, as forceably as he possibly can, is that we see ourselves, at least on a par with west ham and therefore the thought that they can prise one of our best players away is frankly ridiculous.
This is a massive moment for how we see ourselves in the heirarchy of english football, and I really hope we respond in the right way.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 10, 2017 21:47:22 GMT
If the deal comes with Snodgrass as a makeweight I want my ST money back. They can fuck right off.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 10, 2017 21:48:04 GMT
I'm not surprised and I'm sure there's a middle ground where everyone's happy, if we can get something close to 25m it would be a good bit of business. I know the impact he has re goals and assists is significant but often I'd feel we'd focus our offensive game around him too much last season when he was off form. He's a creative force but it comes at a cost, not when he's on it but when he's disinterested. I think it's hard not to marry the transfer request with his poor season he's just had.
My biggest question is why the club waited till Super Jon had been sold before making this public. Source John Percy saying the Arnie saga started 3 weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 21:51:29 GMT
N'Zonzi had to put in 3 requests before we let him go. Anything to suggest we'll accept it?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 10, 2017 21:52:38 GMT
If the deal comes with Snodgrass as a makeweight I want my ST money back. They can fuck right off. All cash deal or tell them to fuck off. Snotgrass plus some cash for Arnie, Jesus wept. Bet365 Club shop: "What name would you like on your kit sir" "Snodgrass", that's just wrong!!!!
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Post by StokeAz on Jul 10, 2017 21:54:54 GMT
Surely we need to make a statement here. If arnie is ultimately sold to PSG or AC Milan, we probably have to accept that is the reality of life and hope that the next arnie can see we can be the stepping stone for champions league football. I could bare losing one of our beat players to a top club especially as he plays in a position where we seem to be overloaded with exceptional young talent. Unless there is a release clause (and lets all hope there isnt !), we need to unequivocally say that west hams bid is offensive and frankly ridicule it. Why on earth would stoke city sell one of their best olayers to a team that has finished below them in 3 of the last 4 seasons? Maybe we should make a £15 million offer for Lanzini? I think the point that Coates HAS to make, as forceably as he possibly can, is that we see ourselves, at least on a par with west ham and therefore the thought that they can prise one of our best players away is frankly ridiculous. This is a massive moment for how we see ourselves in the heirarchy of english football, and I really hope we respond in the right way. I don't think we'd get Lanzini for anywhere near 15m tbh but then neither should they with Arnie so it'd sure give them a taste of their own medicine!
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Post by bojancity on Jul 10, 2017 21:56:30 GMT
Surely we need to make a statement here. If arnie is ultimately sold to PSG or AC Milan, we probably have to accept that is the reality of life and hope that the next arnie can see we can be the stepping stone for champions league football. I could bare losing one of our beat players to a top club especially as he plays in a position where we seem to be overloaded with exceptional young talent. Unless there is a release clause (and lets all hope there isnt !), we need to unequivocally say that west hams bid is offensive and frankly ridicule it. Why on earth would stoke city sell one of their best olayers to a team that has finished below them in 3 of the last 4 seasons? Maybe we should make a £15 million offer for Lanzini? I think the point that Coates HAS to make, as forceably as he possibly can, is that we see ourselves, at least on a par with west ham and therefore the thought that they can prise one of our best players away is frankly ridiculous. This is a massive moment for how we see ourselves in the heirarchy of english football, and I really hope we respond in the right way. I don't think we'd get Lanzini for anywhere near 15m tbh but then neither should they with Arnie so it'd sure give them a taste of their own medicine! Exactly. Important point for us to make - we need to start growing some balls!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 21:57:54 GMT
N'Zonzi had to put in 3 requests before we let him go. Anything to suggest we'll accept it? I think N'Zonzi's transfer requests were seen as some kind of medical condition or involuntary action, like Tourette's. Every so often, a transfer request would go in, but these were largely ignored so as not to draw attention to the condition.
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Post by lordb on Jul 10, 2017 21:59:29 GMT
There are a lot on here being disrespectful to Arnie in my mind. I bet most of them have also had a go at the club because we don't seem to be linked firmly with any exciting signings. I'm pissed off about that myself. No matter what anyone says he is one of, if not our best player, how do they think he feels about the lack of signings? I want him to stay but understand he wants progression whilst he must see what looks like regression and he is better informed than us. Makes me wonder what promises were made to get him to sign his last contract. If Arnie goes, Shaq will be next I reckon. We don't look like we want Imbula. LACK OF AMBITION !!! He is spot on in my opinion. Good luck to him if he goes, I certainly won't be on his case if he does stay. The Coates don't know whether to stick or twist with Hughes, they have to back or sack. They are doing nothing, this sends negative vibes to fans and players alike. We will end up keeping the mercenaries that can't find another club and losing those with any desire. He absolutely isn't joining West Ham for 'ambition'. Ask their fans about their ambition. As an aside as I think someone else said That Arnie is making a mistake. Their crowd won't put up with his antics like we do,can see that move turning sour. PSG? He wouldn't get anywhere near their team. Milan, that would fit better.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 10, 2017 21:59:58 GMT
N'Zonzi had to put in 3 requests before we let him go. Anything to suggest we'll accept it? Not with so long left on his contract. It depends just how much Arnie wants to leave and what clubs come in for him. I think if it's just West Ham then he might just accept it but if he gets whiff of other better clubs coming as well then he'll start being more disruptive to force our hand. It's risky game he's playing though, the fans will no doubt letting him know what they think of him if he carries on being a child.
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Post by StokeAz on Jul 10, 2017 22:00:52 GMT
N'Zonzi had to put in 3 requests before we let him go. Anything to suggest we'll accept it? I think N'Zonzi's transfer requests were seen as some kind of medical condition or involuntary action, like Tourette's. Every so often, a transfer request would go in, but these were largely ignored so as not to draw attention to the condition.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 10, 2017 22:01:19 GMT
N'Zonzi had to put in 3 requests before we let him go. Anything to suggest we'll accept it? I know it's not an either-or but I wonder how much we'd have ended up getting for N'Zonzi if we had sold him with more than one year on his contract. I can't help but feel this was always the strategy employed by the club, lure big name players in with the promise of allowing them to leave when they want. The reason Scholes has given for not having sell on-clauses for Asmir and N'Zonzi was they wanted to leave and we didn't want to hold them back. I don't know what was different on the final transfer request, I suppose it just makes us look a little silly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2017 22:01:53 GMT
I'd prefer Arnie! They're not ready to be relied upon consistently, they are (and indeed were last season) ready to be used for more than in desperation. We never seem to have the best of both worlds at this damn club. Thought Ramadan was the ready made replacement. You were calling for him to start last season. Not for Arnie I wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 22:07:50 GMT
N'Zonzi had to put in 3 requests before we let him go. Anything to suggest we'll accept it? Forgot he used to pop up with those once a season I miss him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 22:10:50 GMT
N'Zonzi had to put in 3 requests before we let him go. Anything to suggest we'll accept it? I know it's not an either-or but I wonder how much we'd have ended up getting for N'Zonzi if we had sold him with more than one year on his contract. I can't help but feel this was always the strategy employed by the club, lure big name players in with the promise of allowing them to leave when they want. The reason Scholes has given for not having sell on-clauses for Asmir and N'Zonzi was they wanted to leave and we didn't want to hold them back. I don't know what was different on the final transfer request, I suppose it just makes us look a little silly. It was a different time in a different transfer world, and despite some decent performances, N'Zonzi's standing in the game wasn't what it is now. I think £12m - £14m would have been a realistic amount at that time had he not been about to enter the final year of his contract.
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 10, 2017 22:12:08 GMT
Taken me a while to respond to this, but Arnie can go, we've loved him and given him a 2nd chance at his career, and this is how he thanks us? I have no problems with players moving on, but he's done this in a shitty way, that leaves a bad taste.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 10, 2017 22:12:30 GMT
We'll end up with 10 million and Snodgrass Funny you should say that😄 If this happens then every member of the transfer team needs sacking and dropped the empire state building. Robert Snodgrass over Arnautovic. For god sake Stoke, don't take it.
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Post by skip on Jul 10, 2017 22:13:21 GMT
If Stoke / Coates let their bellies be tickled on this it will speak volumes and I, like a lot others, will be fucked right off.
Of course Sobhi should and could be the ideal replacement but this is about West Ham or similar sized clubs in direct competition with us, exploiting the big London thing. We've got to stay strong here.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 10, 2017 22:15:02 GMT
They can be as unhappy as they like about the fact that he played for us. He is currently a Stoke player so we are well within our rights to use him as we see fit.
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Post by skelman on Jul 10, 2017 22:16:40 GMT
Arnie banging his 'loyalty drum' yet again !!
He was interested in going to Everton for £12.5m last July and now it's Wet Spam for £15. He's stated publicly that he thinks he should be 'the highest paid player at the club'! He put himself in the transfer window last summer but very few clubs other than Everton gave him a second look. When Everton pulled out there were no other offers and Arnautovic said he'd wanted to stay at Stoke all along! Of course he's talented but he's also petulant and is showing no loyalty for his 4 year contract that we agreed last summer. He played well 2 seasons ago but was inconsistent last year. Periods of brilliance but could do so much more if he played for the team more and didn't see himself as a fuckin prima donna.
Yes I'd prefer to keep him, disruption and all and I'd actually like to think that he'd honour his contract for at least another 18 months out of the remaining 3 years on it. For fucks sake he's just reported back and is throwing the club curve balls yet again. Get your head down Arnie, get on with it and stop being a spoilt twat. Get on with fulfilling the contract you committed to 12 months ago and see how pre-season develops.
Wants to play Champions League football ............... at West Ham............. my arse!!
Swansea have just slapped a £50m fee on Sigurdsson but Arnie is sulking because we won't let him go for £15m and yet he still craves the adulation of Stoke supporters. I would not be too unhappy to see the arse end of him for £25m
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Post by bigvern on Jul 10, 2017 22:18:36 GMT
I think there will be a few more twists and turns with this one yet. I wouldn't be surprised to see Everton coming in for him again. I'm sorry he doesn't want to play here anymore but he is only chasing the dollar. 28 now, one last big move for him and his agent brother. He's a gonner.
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Post by samba :) on Jul 10, 2017 22:20:48 GMT
Arni for lanzini and kouyate
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Post by PB1863 on Jul 10, 2017 22:22:13 GMT
Everton have shown one player isn't bigger than the club and pre signed players so by the time Lakaku left I think the fans were happy. Whilst we couldn't afford him Siggurdson from Swansea would be a fantastic signing for the club as we are badly missing that creative flair. Maybe if Bojan and Arnie went we could afford him. I'm going to miss Arnie. When we weren't at our best you knew he could perform some magic and change the result. Whilst he wasn't on his game enough he still provided enough moments that will always make him a favourite. His goals against Man U and Sunderland away last year are standouts. Good luck to him and thanks. Now it's upto management to ensure we don't miss him..
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jul 10, 2017 22:22:40 GMT
3 words, "One Greedy Bastard"...
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