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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:41:18 GMT
Let's get this straight. This has absolutely nothing to do with ambition but everything to do with money and ego.
If it is West Ham, ask yourself why?? They're hardly dripping with ambition are they?
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Post by hoofmagic on Jul 10, 2017 15:41:35 GMT
close the door behind you , end of, bring on ramadan yessssssssssssssssssssss
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Post by bhp on Jul 10, 2017 15:41:40 GMT
Yes he's only started 9 games, appeared in a further 21 the lad has a lot of talent is 21 and will play considerably more next season, if not I'd be very surprised. If he was not guaranteed more game time next season their will be much bigger clubs than us looking at him. Why he will go for more than Arnautovic: He's 7 years younger. Currently he not far behind Arnautovic in terms of ability, or same level. English, home grown factor. He has a hell of a lot of potential. I don't see, even in these days of crazy prices, anyone paying £30m plus for Gray just yet. Bigger clubs than us are looking at him but he's at an age where he needs to play regularly and none of the big clubs can offer that. I think if he did move this window you'd be surprised how much he goes for. How much do you think Gray would go for? If you offered me Gray or Arnautovic for the same price on the same wage, even if Gray was on more per week, I'd have Gray any day of the week. Perhaps that's just me looking for the long term. Besides if we do sell him for good money do we need a direct replacement or do we give Sobhi more game time? Then have Diouf, Ngoy and Verlinden as back up along with possibly Bojan. If Ngoy and Verlinden were able I wouldn't fork out for a replacement. If they aren't then we need to shop around.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2017 15:41:40 GMT
shame to see him go, however, is it fortune where the likes of Ramadan and Bojan can breathe new life into the squad with something to prove? £15m Lol.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 10, 2017 15:41:58 GMT
£15M ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:42:02 GMT
I'm interested to know in what regard (what aspects of his game) Ramadan will not be upto Arnie's standard for another 2/3 years and how he would develop with minimal playing time. He is as strong as an ox, has exceptional ball skills, an eye for a pass in fact the only thing he really needs to improve is his awareness and that will only come with playing games at this level. Power/Strength - Not Doubting his ability, just think we all may be disappointed if we have to rely on him all season. He's very strong, but the main difference is decision making and final ball. I love ramadan, but I couldn't stand watching him turn backwards and forwards beating the same player again and again instead of passing or shooting. If his performances weren't just cameos this season, and he'd played all year, I think there'd have been some frustration about that.
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Post by alster on Jul 10, 2017 15:42:31 GMT
I'm interested to know in what regard (what aspects of his game) Ramadan will not be upto Arnie's standard for another 2/3 years and how he would develop with minimal playing time. He is as strong as an ox, has exceptional ball skills, an eye for a pass in fact the only thing he really needs to improve is his awareness and that will only come with playing games at this level. Power/Strength - Not Doubting his ability, just think we all may be disappointed if we have to rely on him all season. I don't know what you've been watching but it ain't Ramadan, I haven't seen him lose a physical battle yet including Antonio who is an absolute beast.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:44:22 GMT
close the door behind you , end of, bring on ramadan yessssssssssssssssssssss Imagine being happy at the thought of losing our best player...
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Post by pottarius on Jul 10, 2017 15:44:33 GMT
Terrible news, timing is appalling and I hope the rest of the squad give him the cold shoulder. Don't blame anyone's desire to move for ambitions sake but we all know it's money that talks for those whose careered are spent outside the top 5-6 teams
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Post by Northy on Jul 10, 2017 15:44:41 GMT
This is not a defence of the club but I genuinely don't know why the suicide squad are out in such numbers. Fair do's if this is as good as it gets by the end of the window or even the start of the season I too will be concerned. Do you honestly think our lot are just sitting there looking out the windows at Clayton Wood. This happens all the time. We did this to West Brom with Berahino. Course and distance and if he's had a good summer in the paddock so to speak then and starts banging them in this will well and truly piss on West Brom's chips. If not it's another nail in Hughes's coffin. I saw Shaqiri play in the hole at Southampton, plenty of promise there, I also saw Ramadan have a very decent game. He's shows bags of promise that may well flourish with regular games. Or we could refuse Armie's request but after the way he dragged his feet signing this contract today's news was fairly inevitable. I understand the frustrations but in the grand scheme of things but it's not even mid July yet, plenty of clubs have done nowt. Beside this isn't like when Greenhoff went believe me. There are positives, of course there are...you've mentioned some. I can believe though, regardless of all the money that Arnie might be having waved at him, that he could feel there's a lack of ambition. Even if he wrote off last season as just being a bad one... he then sees the signings... a player well past his best, a young lad who we all hope will make a fantastic PL breakthrough and the other bright signing prospect being a player who can't get a game for Man City. Assuming Arnie has ambition I can understand him being underwhelmed. A full England international ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2017 15:45:07 GMT
So the suggestion in that Telegraph article is that we may have to let him go when the second £20m-ish bid comes in?
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Post by akstoke93 on Jul 10, 2017 15:45:18 GMT
Power/Strength - Not Doubting his ability, just think we all may be disappointed if we have to rely on him all season. I don't know what you've been watching but it ain't Ramadan, I haven't seen him lose a physical battle yet including Antonio who is an absolute beast. Think you may have taken my wording wrong way, im meaning more power and strength travelling with the ball, taking on defenders. Getting past a defender with strength and power.
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Post by smithypotter on Jul 10, 2017 15:45:40 GMT
I think it's important to look at both sides of the coin with this news. My initial reaction actually was not all that doom and gloom, less so than I imagined it would or maybe should be. The good news is we're in a position to let clubs tussle over a big fee for him which is what we should do. Second to that I do think that Ramadan will be up to the mark sooner than some think as a replacement, but yes, we will need to reinvest the money towards finding another winger to fight for a place alongside him.
I'm far from being in panic mode, i don't think the club are THAT naive, they should invest. If the money we take from selling Arnie goes towards balancing the squad out more, that includes purchasing two quality centre backs (one hopefully being Bruno) and another central midfielder, then so be it. The risk of not allowing Arnie to leave now if this whole thing is true could potentially lead to a toxic atmosphere in the dressing room over the course of next season, and that is by far more of a concern to me all for the sake of one individual, the club always comes first. If we play this right, I believe it may be a blessing in disguise, but only time will tell.
I would be staggered if he ends up at West Ham, I think a foreign club will get him, or at the very least a club like Everton who are in a solid position to fight for european places.
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Post by akstoke93 on Jul 10, 2017 15:45:47 GMT
Power/Strength - Not Doubting his ability, just think we all may be disappointed if we have to rely on him all season. He's very strong, but the main difference is decision making and final ball. I love ramadan, but I couldn't stand watching him turn backwards and forwards beating the same player again and again instead of passing or shooting. If his performances weren't just cameos this season, and he'd played all year, I think there'd have been some frustration about that. Agree with this a lot.
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Post by StoneSCFC on Jul 10, 2017 15:45:58 GMT
Disappointed at this news (timing of it is a cunts trick) but as a lot have said if true we need to extract maximum value from his transfer (which we seem to be shit at) and give Ramadan his chance.
I think Ramadan will ultimately become the better player. He looks more reliable with his defensive duties and can go inside AND out when taking players on (when was the last time we saw Arnie get to the line and swing a cross in for Crouchy to nod in).
Onwards!
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 10, 2017 15:46:00 GMT
I have a feeling we will stand firm on this and will be looking for a huge fee in excess of 25-30 million at least!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 10, 2017 15:46:01 GMT
I don't see, even in these days of crazy prices, anyone paying £30m plus for Gray just yet. Bigger clubs than us are looking at him but he's at an age where he needs to play regularly and none of the big clubs can offer that. I think if he did move this window you'd be surprised how much he goes for. How much do you think Gray would go for? If you offered me Gray or Arnautovic for the same price on the same wage, even if Gray was on more per week, I'd have Gray any day of the week. Perhaps that's just me looking for the long term. Besides if we do sell him for good money do we need a direct replacement or do we give Sobhi more game time? Then have Diouf, Ngoy and Verlinden as back up along with possibly Bojan. If Ngoy and Verlinden were able I wouldn't fork out for a replacement. If they aren't then we need to shop around. I don't see Gray going for more than £20m and even that's silly money really in that you're paying for potential that still could go either way. Alster's right that the shirt has to be Sobhi's to lose, but I'd be uncomfortable going into the season with Verlinden as our only back up option. Diouf is not a winger and nor is N'goy, and we should be moving away, at long last, from square peg "do a job" types in those positions.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 10, 2017 15:46:23 GMT
Got to hope for a bidding war... Everton could be interested.... Better than £50mil for Gylfi You honestly think he's better than Sigurdsson? Did I actually say that though? Buying Arni from us for what he will end up going for is better than spending £50mil on Sigurdsson..... Absolutely, because they will still have anywhere around £20-30 mil in the bank.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 10, 2017 15:47:03 GMT
'Lack of ambition' is clearly a lie of an excuse if he chooses to go West Ham. In no way does that add up.
There's something else. More likely to be money.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 10, 2017 15:47:27 GMT
My only concern about Sobhi is that he might not offer the goal threat Arnie does. However, Yarmolenko has goals in him as does Shaq or Bojan at number 10. Out of interest, what is Yarmy's situation at the moment?
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Post by alster on Jul 10, 2017 15:48:03 GMT
So the suggestion in that Telegraph article is that we may have to let him go when the second £20m-ish bid comes in? He had a release clause in his previous deal who's to say there isn't one in the new contract. If there is I hope to bloody hell is a lot more than the previous one.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2017 15:48:17 GMT
He's on 80k-a-week though, isn't he?
Are West Ham going to go much beyond that?
Don't think they're known as big payers, are they?
Their wage bill is very similar to ours
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 10, 2017 15:48:18 GMT
makes you wonder did he really turn everton down be surprised if he wants go west ham but 30 million and let him fuck off sulker harf the time
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:49:15 GMT
Disappointed at this news (timing of it is a cunts trick) but as a lot have said if true we need to extract maximum value from his transfer (which we seem to be shit at) and give Ramadan his chance. I think Ramadan will ultimately become the better player. He looks more reliable with his defensive duties and can go inside AND out when taking players on ( when was the last time we saw Arnie get to the line and swing a cross in for Crouchy to nod in). Onwards! That exact situation literally happened in the last game he played in, against Arsenal. ???
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Post by stokie1954 on Jul 10, 2017 15:49:28 GMT
Let's be honest here it's not a surprise really is it when West Ham apparently want him 😡Also the lack of signings/ambition at our club would also play a part in his thinking imo.Like I said last week the hierarchy have got massive decisions to make in the coming weeks. West Ham, as I said in a previous post seem to want to sign every fucker!. If the guy is ambitious why would you go to them?. If that is the height of his ambition then fuck him off!.
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Post by exhool64 on Jul 10, 2017 15:49:31 GMT
Nobody bigger than the club. Yeah he's been good on his day but he's been crap as well on occasion fuck him off if he wants to go and get players in who want the shirt
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Post by penkvillepotter on Jul 10, 2017 15:49:43 GMT
Yep, with the moody fat frog ***t. Naturally, I'd love to have your man here, but christ, aside from money and a massive athletics stadium, the ambitions levels are pretty much the same - as in a resounding NONE. This is bang on. I'll tell you who'll win everything next season, one of the top 7. There you go,what do I win. There is essentially no difference between us, West Ham, Southampton, West Brom etc... we're all like bald men fighting over a comb. If he goes to West Ham what exactly does he EXPECT to win. Ambition my arse. If you want to go Arnie, jog on. The sun will still shine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:49:57 GMT
Have they realised that we're falling behind the likes of Bournemouth and Leicester. 13th last season and could easily have been worse. No Arny and we're going down. We can't stand still in this division. I am seriously worried that Stoke hierarchy think the squad is good enough, but it's miles off the pace. WAKE EM UP
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:50:10 GMT
My only concern about Sobhi is that he might not offer the goal threat Arnie does. However, Yarmolenko has goals in him as does Shaq or Bojan at number 10. Out of interest, what is Yarmy's situation at the moment? Fucking hell this board can't cope with this thread AND a Yarmolenko one!!
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Post by RAF on Jul 10, 2017 15:50:15 GMT
Anyone who would be glad to see Arnie leave is a fucking stupid cunt.
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