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Post by mattador78 on Jul 20, 2017 13:15:46 GMT
Still not confirmed then 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 13:29:30 GMT
Is West Ham a 'sideways move'though?
I've read a lot of anger on here about Arnie's departure to a club that is 'sideways'. But West Ham's trophy cabinet is far more exciting to look at, and in regards to their attendance:
West Ham recorded attendance last year was somewhere between 52,000 - 56,000 (depending on if you average over 'through the turnstiles' or 'tickets sold'). Despite the fact that Gold and Sullivan seem like two of the worst owners of a football club you could hope for, it is still a London based club with history, attendance and above all, potential to be better than their gross under achievements in the last decade or so.
I wouldn't cheer for Arnie in the future, but I don't really have any animosity towards him leaving because of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 13:52:43 GMT
Is West Ham a 'sideways move'though? I've read a lot of anger on here about Arnie's departure to a club that is 'sideways'. But West Ham's trophy cabinet is far more exciting to look at, and in regards to their attendance: West Ham recorded attendance last year was somewhere between 52,000 - 56,000 (depending on if you average over 'through the turnstiles' or 'tickets sold'). Despite the fact that Gold and Sullivan seem like two of the worst owners of a football club you could hope for, it is still a London based club with history, attendance and above all, potential to be better than their gross under achievements in the last decade or so. I wouldn't cheer for Arnie in the future, but I don't really have any animosity towards him leaving because of this. West Ham are at a very similar level to us right now. They're coming off a crap season, having looked okay to decent the seasons before. Their squad is no better than ours (worse on a player by player basis for me) and they are no more likely to win a trophy or push for top 6 than us. It's a kick in the teeth because he has so violently forced his way out of a club that revived his career and a club that he has said previously multiple times he is happy at, unless a properly top club came in for him. He's fucked the club over with this by forcing his way out and forcing down the fee, and the way he seems so desperate to get out, to the point that he'd kick hell up to go to West Ham of all places, rankles with supporters and so it should do. It's a move borne of either boredom or greed, and the way he's gone about it is beyond understanding. He deserves whatever reception he gets.
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 20, 2017 13:55:06 GMT
Is West Ham a 'sideways move'though? I've read a lot of anger on here about Arnie's departure to a club that is 'sideways'. But West Ham's trophy cabinet is far more exciting to look at, and in regards to their attendance: West Ham recorded attendance last year was somewhere between 52,000 - 56,000 (depending on if you average over 'through the turnstiles' or 'tickets sold'). Despite the fact that Gold and Sullivan seem like two of the worst owners of a football club you could hope for, it is still a London based club with history, attendance and above all, potential to be better than their gross under achievements in the last decade or so. I wouldn't cheer for Arnie in the future, but I don't really have any animosity towards him leaving because of this. West Ham are at a very similar level to us right now. They're coming off a crap season, having looked okay to decent the seasons before. Their squad is no better than ours (worse on a player by player basis for me) and they are no more likely to win a trophy or push for top 6 than us. It's a kick in the teeth because he has so violently forced his way out of a club that revived his career and a club that he has said previously multiple times he is happy at, unless a properly top club came in for him. He's fucked the club over with this by forcing his way out and forcing down the fee, and the way he seems so desperate to get out, to the point that he'd kick hell up to go to West Ham of all places, rankles with supporters and so it should do. It's a move borne of either boredom or greed, and the way he's gone about it is beyond understanding. He deserves whatever reception he gets. They had a very good season under Billic the first time around. I hate to admit it but they have a better chance of Europa league than us.
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 20, 2017 14:00:55 GMT
£20m for Wilshere? They'll spend that again in medical fees. They are welcome to both of them tbh.
Albeit, given our 'less than guaranteed' goal potential, I wouldn't mind a certain Mexican FWD that they are very near to grabbing.Â
Wonder what the deal will be in terms of wages and if we would even be in the ball park?Â
13 mil....not sure about wages mate
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Post by lordb on Jul 20, 2017 14:11:46 GMT
Is West Ham a 'sideways move'though? I've read a lot of anger on here about Arnie's departure to a club that is 'sideways'. But West Ham's trophy cabinet is far more exciting to look at, and in regards to their attendance: West Ham recorded attendance last year was somewhere between 52,000 - 56,000 (depending on if you average over 'through the turnstiles' or 'tickets sold'). Despite the fact that Gold and Sullivan seem like two of the worst owners of a football club you could hope for, it is still a London based club with history, attendance and above all, potential to be better than their gross under achievements in the last decade or so. I wouldn't cheer for Arnie in the future, but I don't really have any animosity towards him leaving because of this. In terms of football success they have next to no chance. 8th at best same as the rest of us.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 20, 2017 14:15:44 GMT
Is West Ham a 'sideways move'though? I've read a lot of anger on here about Arnie's departure to a club that is 'sideways'. But West Ham's trophy cabinet is far more exciting to look at, and in regards to their attendance: West Ham recorded attendance last year was somewhere between 52,000 - 56,000 (depending on if you average over 'through the turnstiles' or 'tickets sold'). Despite the fact that Gold and Sullivan seem like two of the worst owners of a football club you could hope for, it is still a London based club with history, attendance and above all, potential to be better than their gross under achievements in the last decade or so. I wouldn't cheer for Arnie in the future, but I don't really have any animosity towards him leaving because of this. West Ham have spent fewer seasons in the top flight of English football than Stoke City and have won nothing since the 1980 FA Cup. It's money and nothing else that has turned Arnies head.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 14:17:24 GMT
West Ham are at a very similar level to us right now. They're coming off a crap season, having looked okay to decent the seasons before. Their squad is no better than ours (worse on a player by player basis for me) and they are no more likely to win a trophy or push for top 6 than us. It's a kick in the teeth because he has so violently forced his way out of a club that revived his career and a club that he has said previously multiple times he is happy at, unless a properly top club came in for him. He's fucked the club over with this by forcing his way out and forcing down the fee, and the way he seems so desperate to get out, to the point that he'd kick hell up to go to West Ham of all places, rankles with supporters and so it should do. It's a move borne of either boredom or greed, and the way he's gone about it is beyond understanding. He deserves whatever reception he gets. They had a very good season under Billic the first time around. I hate to admit it but they have a better chance of Europa league than us. A look at their squad makes me disagree with you.
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 20, 2017 14:37:19 GMT
We've known for a long time that there were 6/7 clubs in the PL who could take Stoke's best players if they wanted too. What we didn't know is that a club of similar size like West Ham could land one of our key players with the offer of a better deal,and meet with virtually no resistance.
It's the message that sends out that we should be concerned about, rather than attempting to ridicule West Ham or crucify Arni, in my opinion.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 20, 2017 14:42:38 GMT
They had a very good season under Billic the first time around. I hate to admit it but they have a better chance of Europa league than us. A look at their squad makes me disagree with you. Really ? Signed a good goalie on loan although not as good as Butland Better fullbacks than us. Reid & Ogbonna a decent CB pair although not world beaters. Their midfield currently pisses all over us for goals Lanzini 8 Antonia 9 Noble 5 Ayew 6 Feghouli 4 Against our Arnie 7 (Soon to be theirs) Allen 6 Shaqiri 4 Adam 1 Striker wise we've potentially got the edge as long as Berahino finds his shooting boots. Yes they had a shit year last year but then look at Spurs at wembley, look at us when we moved to the Brit, the new ground probably had a big effect on them + Payet getting homesick. We're not a million miles behind them and there's still time in the transfer window to sort it out but I'd say we're currently behind them at the moment.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 20, 2017 14:51:53 GMT
They are welcome to both of them tbh.
Albeit, given our 'less than guaranteed' goal potential, I wouldn't mind a certain Mexican FWD that they are very near to grabbing.
Wonder what the deal will be in terms of wages and if we would even be in the ball park?
13 mil....not sure about wages mate Yes,I heard about the £13m Bertie, but (& let's face it, that could be a snip) it would surely be the wages / overall deal that might be an issue here.
I see him as a 'Berahino with guaranteed goals' tbh (supply line dependant obvs.).
Let's hope we don't need him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 14:55:42 GMT
Is West Ham a 'sideways move'though? I've read a lot of anger on here about Arnie's departure to a club that is 'sideways'. But West Ham's trophy cabinet is far more exciting to look at, and in regards to their attendance: West Ham recorded attendance last year was somewhere between 52,000 - 56,000 (depending on if you average over 'through the turnstiles' or 'tickets sold'). Despite the fact that Gold and Sullivan seem like two of the worst owners of a football club you could hope for, it is still a London based club with history, attendance and above all, potential to be better than their gross under achievements in the last decade or so. I wouldn't cheer for Arnie in the future, but I don't really have any animosity towards him leaving because of this. West Ham have spent fewer seasons in the top flight of English football than Stoke City and have won nothing since the 1980 FA Cup. It's money and nothing else that has turned Arnies head. Apart from the League cup the year after and the Intertoto Cup in 1999.....
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 20, 2017 14:56:45 GMT
A look at their squad makes me disagree with you. Really ? Signed a good goalie on loan although not as good as Butland Better fullbacks than us. Reid & Ogbonna a decent CB pair although not world beaters. Their midfield currently pisses all over us for goals Lanzini 8 Antonia 9 Noble 5 Ayew 6 Feghouli 4 Against our Arnie 7 (Soon to be theirs) Allen 6 Shaqiri 4 Adam 1 Striker wise we've potentially got the edge as long as Berahino finds his shooting boots.
Yes they had a shit year last year but then look at Spurs at wembley, look at us when we moved to the Brit, the new ground probably had a big effect on them + Payet getting homesick. We're not a million miles behind them and there's still time in the transfer window to sort it out but I'd say we're currently behind them at the moment. Mmm., that's what I fear most: he won't.
And then if they nab Little Mix Pea as well, as rumoured, then I think they have goals as well potentially.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 20, 2017 14:57:15 GMT
We've known for a long time that there were 6/7 clubs in the PL who could take Stoke's best players if they wanted too. What we didn't know is that a club of similar size like West Ham could land one of our key players with the offer of a better deal,and meet with virtually no resistance. It's the message that sends out that we should be concerned about, rather than attempting to ridicule West Ham or crucify Arni, in my opinion.
The reason it was a difficult for us to respond with full resistance was because Arnautovic and his brother had tied one arm behind our backs with their antics.
That's why people are crucifying Arnautovic.
The transfer team comes in for a lot of (probably deserved) stick but if they manage to eek £24 million out of West Ham after they way that Dumb and Dumber had set them up from the beginning, then they'll have done pretty well in my book.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 20, 2017 14:59:57 GMT
West Ham have spent fewer seasons in the top flight of English football than Stoke City and have won nothing since the 1980 FA Cup. It's money and nothing else that has turned Arnies head. Apart from the League cup the year after and the Intertoto Cup in 1999..... You think Arnie (an Austrian) cares about what West ham last won when he was 10? He's gone for the money.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 20, 2017 15:01:15 GMT
A look at their squad makes me disagree with you. Really ? Signed a good goalie on loan although not as good as Butland Better fullbacks than us. Reid & Ogbonna a decent CB pair although not world beaters. Their midfield currently pisses all over us for goals Lanzini 8 Antonia 9 Noble 5 Ayew 6 Feghouli 4 Against our Arnie 7 (Soon to be theirs) Allen 6 Shaqiri 4 Adam 1 Striker wise we've potentially got the edge as long as Berahino finds his shooting boots. Yes they had a shit year last year but then look at Spurs at wembley, look at us when we moved to the Brit, the new ground probably had a big effect on them + Payet getting homesick. We're not a million miles behind them and there's still time in the transfer window to sort it out but I'd say we're currently behind them at the moment. Who are their full backs?
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 20, 2017 15:10:10 GMT
Who are their full backs? Zabaleta & Cresswell
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 20, 2017 15:18:55 GMT
£20m for Wilshere? They'll spend that again in medical fees. They are welcome to both of them tbh.
Albeit, given our 'less than guaranteed' goal potential, I wouldn't mind a certain Mexican FWD that they are very near to grabbing.
Wonder what the deal will be in terms of wages and if we would even be in the ball park?
Well if we can't get someone who scores more than 1 in 5 we get what we deserve! (Arnie 22 goals in 125 games). Diouf has scored 18 league goals in 55 appearances!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 20, 2017 15:19:38 GMT
Who are their full backs? Zabaleta & Cresswell I was very happy we didn't get Zabaleta. And Cresswell has been ok. I'd like to think we could do better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 15:24:02 GMT
A look at their squad makes me disagree with you. Really ? Signed a good goalie on loan although not as good as Butland Better fullbacks than us. Reid & Ogbonna a decent CB pair although not world beaters. Their midfield currently pisses all over us for goals Lanzini 8 Antonia 9 Noble 5 Ayew 6 Feghouli 4 Against our Arnie 7 (Soon to be theirs) Allen 6 Shaqiri 4 Adam 1 Striker wise we've potentially got the edge as long as Berahino finds his shooting boots. Yes they had a shit year last year but then look at Spurs at wembley, look at us when we moved to the Brit, the new ground probably had a big effect on them + Payet getting homesick. We're not a million miles behind them and there's still time in the transfer window to sort it out but I'd say we're currently behind them at the moment. To compare the two from my view: Goalkeeper: Butland a thousand miles ahead Full backs: I like Zabaleta, but don't think he's millions of miles ahead of Bardsley at his age, Cresswell I've not seen enough of. Centre Halves: Bruno/Shawcross/Zouma are miles ahead, if we sign them of course! Midfield: Noble is okay, Lanzini is similar to Bojan (but in my biased view i think Bojan is better. I don't touch any other centre mid of theirs with a barge pole Wingers: Shaqiri is better than Antonio, and Ramadan is better than Ayew and Feghouli. Strikers: Aside from Carroll, who is permanently injured, i'd definitely rather have Berahino/Crouch/Joselu/Diouf as a group of forwards. Chicharito would be a great signing mind. At the very most you can say their squad is similar. In my opinion ours is better.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 20, 2017 15:56:23 GMT
They are welcome to both of them tbh.
Albeit, given our 'less than guaranteed' goal potential, I wouldn't mind a certain Mexican FWD that they are very near to grabbing.
Wonder what the deal will be in terms of wages and if we would even be in the ball park?
Well if we can't get someone who scores more than 1 in 5 we get what we deserve! (Arnie 22 goals in 125 games). Diouf has scored 18 league goals in 55 appearances! Agreed.
And to be clear, I wasn't bemoaning the loss of Arnie or his goals as such but the, arguably, missed opportunity to get Chicharito (sp) in for 'just' £13m.
Sure he would hit way more than 1 in 5 no question.
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Post by snopup02 on Jul 20, 2017 16:19:36 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 20, 2017 17:22:02 GMT
So the Dildo boys will now have Dick and a Cunt at the club.
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Post by skelman on Jul 20, 2017 19:57:48 GMT
I think he'll answer the critics who say we don't have any wing backs at the club When he played last season he contributed more defensively than either Shaq or Arnautovic Really think he'll step up and blossom this year with Arnautovic gone Ramadan has the making of a cracking wing back
Really, playing on the left?
Surely you want your wing back to be left footed, if he's right footed, how is he going to put a tackle in on the right winger/fullback he's attempting to tackle?
Surely you want your left wing back to be able to go on the outside of the full back when going forward, so he can whip a cross into the box.
Ramadan is a right footed inverted winger.
Yes he tracks back well from that position but tracking back to help out the existing (and that's the important bit) fullback/wing back is a completely different proposition to actually being that player.
Oh, so that explains why right footed Arnautovic played largely on the left & left footed Shari played predominantly on the right for the last couple of seasons - they're both fcukin 'inverted' wingers? That also explains why Arnautovic could hardly ever get round a full back on the outside, due to his 'inversion'. He was actually just frequently outpaced and that's why he often ended up on his backside, as his only option was to try to 'out muscle' his opponent. Ramadan put far more 'outside' runs in in a single game than Arnautovic did in 5 or 6 and Shaqiri usually cuts back even though he has gone 75% of the way past a full back on the outside. I don't agree that right footed players are unable to tackle with their left and Ramadan doesn't look like he's just a regulation, 20 year old single footed winger' to me, although it's early days. As a very promising 20 year old with some pace, strength and skill, he may be given the opportunity to develop into becoming an effective wing back imo. Certainly think he'll have the appetite to try!
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Post by sportsman on Jul 20, 2017 19:59:15 GMT
Arnie. For God's sake piss off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 20:06:10 GMT
I thought it was just Stoke that mess about with transfers?
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Post by stokief on Jul 20, 2017 20:28:25 GMT
Still not gone yet? Oh how yawn-worthy
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 20, 2017 20:34:37 GMT
I wonder if this is all going tits up for Arnie and the cuntbrother? Maybe they thought a bidding war would start once wet sham's interest came out? And now they are left with wet sham instead of Milan or some other big name club??? Just a thought....
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 20, 2017 20:59:42 GMT
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 20, 2017 21:02:05 GMT
Thats my theory out the window then😆
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