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Post by harryburrows on Jun 22, 2017 13:07:54 GMT
Found this a compelling watch
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Post by kentpotter on Jun 22, 2017 13:57:02 GMT
Totally agree, fascinating, and worlds away from the impression created in the dramatized snippet in 'Damned United'. Compare the two.
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Post by roosterscomb on Jun 22, 2017 17:03:35 GMT
Found this a compelling watch Funnily enough, Jimmy Greenhoff gives insight into Don Revie in his podcast with the Sentinel. He was appointed chief bingo caller and it doesn't sound like he was too impressed about it. |
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Post by rawli on Jun 22, 2017 17:15:33 GMT
Don Revie was a cheating bribing bastard who managed a scummy club.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 18:37:10 GMT
We all hate Leeds, and Leeds, etc;😀😀😀
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 23:20:11 GMT
Found this a compelling watch Very well covered in the Damned United film |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 23, 2017 0:22:06 GMT
I think Clough handles himself pretty well in that.....
Okay, he has a touch of arrogance about him, but that's what we come to expect from Brian Clough, but he conducts himself really well in that interview......
You can see the only one who's getting irate is Revie!!!
It's so fascinating watching it now!!!
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Post by tijuanabrass on Jun 23, 2017 0:30:38 GMT
In the spirit of trolling one of our Brisbane based members: One of these men was the best manager England never had.  |
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Post by kustokie on Jun 23, 2017 1:02:00 GMT
In the spirit of trolling one of our Brisbane based members: One of these men was the best manager England never had. Yes, he wasn't! |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 23, 2017 5:07:16 GMT
In the spirit of trolling one of our Brisbane based members: One of these men was the best manager England never had. Cliche alert!!!!😁😁 |
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 23, 2017 5:54:55 GMT
Great, but flawed, football man debating with a cowardly, treacherous, money-grabbing scum bag.
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Post by kentpotter on Jun 23, 2017 8:17:52 GMT
Found this a compelling watch Very well covered in the Damned United film No, not well covered! Well acted, yes. Realistic, yes. But for the purposes of the film they have attempted to condense and hour's interview into a few minutes. Consequently, Clough appears tongue tied and fractious and Revie in total command, the exact opposite of the real thing. In the real interview, Clough comes out on top through sheer intelligence, Revie an irascible old git! |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 23, 2017 8:30:08 GMT
Don Revie was one of the great post war managers. It gets overlooked.
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Post by kentpotter on Jun 23, 2017 8:55:40 GMT
Don Revie was one of the great post war managers. It gets overlooked. With one of the worst disciplinary records ever, they weren't called dirty Leeds for a laugh you know!!! |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 23, 2017 9:08:24 GMT
Don Revie was one of the great post war managers. It gets overlooked. With one of the worst disciplinary records ever, they weren't called dirty Leeds for a laugh you know!!! True. They were filthy and horrible but had incredible success with him. |
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Post by alster on Jun 23, 2017 9:09:06 GMT
Don Revie was one of the great post war managers. It gets overlooked. With one of the worst disciplinary records ever, they weren't called dirty Leeds for a laugh you know!!! The debate still rages today and splits football fans fairly evenly. Winning by any means vs winning the right way. I'm fully in the Clough camp both ways can bring success one leaves you proud even when it doesn't come off the other is tainted in the eyes of many even when it does. As the man said its idealism vs cold mechanics. |
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Post by kentpotter on Jun 23, 2017 9:31:20 GMT
With one of the worst disciplinary records ever, they weren't called dirty Leeds for a laugh you know!!! The debate still rages today and splits football fans fairly evenly. Winning by any means vs winning the right way. I'm fully in the Clough camp both ways can bring success one leaves you proud even when it doesn't come off the other is tainted in the eyes of many even when it does. As the man said its idealism vs cold mechanics. Excellently put, and hence Clough's reference to Leeds being a "machine". |
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 23, 2017 9:47:47 GMT
With one of the worst disciplinary records ever, they weren't called dirty Leeds for a laugh you know!!! The debate still rages today and splits football fans fairly evenly. Winning by any means vs winning the right way. I'm fully in the Clough camp both ways can bring success one leaves you proud even when it doesn't come off the other is tainted in the eyes of many even when it does. As the man said its idealism vs cold mechanics. They were nasty and very physical, having said that they were a very very good group of players assembled by Revie |
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Post by coupe on Jun 23, 2017 9:54:32 GMT
Great, but flawed, football man debating with a cowardly, treacherous, money-grabbing scum bag. In which way was Clough flawed ? Revie's team in that era were capable of playing great football but also could mix it with the best,people moan that he chased the money but in today's game would not have to it would come to him. |
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Post by rawli on Jun 23, 2017 10:18:07 GMT
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Post by kentpotter on Jun 23, 2017 10:27:37 GMT
Great, but flawed, football man debating with a cowardly, treacherous, money-grabbing scum bag. In which way was Clough flawed ? Revie's team in that era were capable of playing great football but also could mix it with the best,people moan that he chased the money but in today's game would not have to it would come to him. Drink: The FA knew he was a drinker early doors, that is exactly why he didn't ever get considered for the England job, and that I know as a stone cold fact. |
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Post by coupe on Jun 23, 2017 10:35:33 GMT
In which way was Clough flawed ? Revie's team in that era were capable of playing great football but also could mix it with the best,people moan that he chased the money but in today's game would not have to it would come to him. Drink: The FA knew he was a drinker early doors, that is exactly why he didn't ever get considered for the England job, and that I know as a stone cold fact. I don't recall it was known until late on in his managerial career he was a drinker,and if you say never considered for the England job, I think being interviewed after Revie's departure he was, but going through one controversial manager they were frightened to try another. |
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Post by kentpotter on Jun 23, 2017 11:08:17 GMT
Drink: The FA knew he was a drinker early doors, that is exactly why he didn't ever get considered for the England job, and that I know as a stone cold fact. I don't recall it was known until late on in his managerial career he was a drinker,and if you say never considered for the England job, I think being interviewed after Revie's departure he was, but going through one controversial manager they were frightened to try another. Back in the good old (pre Virgin Trains) days, the Stoke City Southern Supporters' Club ran trips from Euston to every Saturday home match. Occasionally, usually through Monica Hartland's many connections, we would have a guest travel with us. One such guest was the secretary to the then chairman of the FA and around the time England were looking for a new manager. When asked about this and Clough's eligibility for the job, she (sorry, can't remember her name) made it very clear (in 'strictest confidence'....not!) that he would never be considered for the post as he was known as liking a drink a little too much. I remember we were all a little taken aback ourselves. |
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2017 11:12:59 GMT
Great, but flawed, football man debating with a cowardly, treacherous, money-grabbing scum bag. In which way was Clough flawed ? Revie's team in that era were capable of playing great football but also could mix it with the best,people moan that he chased the money but in today's game would not have to it would come to him. Clough was massively flawed....on his own. With Peter Taylor they combined wonderfully. Clough couldn't spot a striker very well & his alcoholism affected him more & more as the years went by. If he had been England manager (with Taylor) then I think he would have thrived at a tournament but have been bored shitless the rest of the time. |
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Post by woodstein on Jun 23, 2017 11:32:55 GMT
Both successful managers but also mean, arrogant sods but thats what helped their success. Some of the best players like that too.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 23, 2017 13:02:31 GMT
He was a nasty piece of work but his record over his 13 seasons at Leeds was remarkable particularly when you think about the state of the club before he arrived.
61/2 19th Div 2
62/3 5th Div 2
63/4 1st Div 2
64/5 2nd Div 1
65/6 2nd Div 1
66/7 4th Div 1
67/8 4th Div 1
68/9 1st Div 1
69/70 2nd Div 1
70/1 2nd Div 1
71/2 2nd Div 1
72/3 3rd Div 1
73/4 1st Div 1
And despite his teams having a real nasty side and being capable of playing rough house when required they also had some fantastic players Giles, Bremner, Cooper, Clarke, Jones, Lorimer, Gray and many others.
I still think our 3-2 win to bring their long unbeaten run to an end remains one of if not the best Stoke performance I have seen
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Jun 23, 2017 14:48:52 GMT
That win against Leeds was the first game I can properly remember.
It should be remembered that they won the league that season at a canter. They also reached the Cup Final in 70, 72 (winners) and 73. Basically they could have won the double 3 times in 5 years. The bulk of that team also reached the European Cup final the year after Revie left
One thing Revie and Clough would have both agreed on - they both built great teams with fantastic players. The other similarity is their reliance on a Scottish General as captain on the pitch, in Bremner and McGovern respectively.
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 23, 2017 14:51:30 GMT
He was a nasty piece of work but his record over his 13 seasons at Leeds was remarkable particularly when you think about the state of the club before he arrived. 61/2 19th Div 2 62/3 5th Div 2 63/4 1st Div 2 64/5 2nd Div 1 65/6 2nd Div 1 66/7 4th Div 1 67/8 4th Div 1 68/9 1st Div 1 69/70 2nd Div 1 70/1 2nd Div 1 71/2 2nd Div 1 72/3 3rd Div 1 73/4 1st Div 1 And despite his teams having a real nasty side and being capable of playing rough house when required they also had some fantastic players Giles, Bremner, Cooper, Clarke, Jones, Lorimer, Gray and many others. I still think our 3-2 win to bring their long unbeaten run to an end remains one of if not the best Stoke performance I have seen I seem To remember we had a great run ourselves over that short period, beating a few top teams , Liverpool and possibly Arsenal as well in that month or so |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 15:47:16 GMT
Remarkable. What a grease bag. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 23, 2017 15:50:57 GMT
Great, but flawed, football man debating with a cowardly, treacherous, money-grabbing scum bag. In which way was Clough flawed ? Revie's team in that era were capable of playing great football but also could mix it with the best,people moan that he chased the money but in today's game would not have to it would come to him. Cloughblems with drink in later life and didn't really cover himself in glory with his responses to te Hillsborough disaster. Revis was a wealthy man by anyone's standards yet he chose to break his contract as National team manager after arranging a new contract with UAE whilst pretending to be on scouting mission in Italy. |
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