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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 2, 2019 11:27:58 GMT
A Labour MP on Politics Live saying that 2 million EU citizens in the UK are the priority. That's a big part of the reason we are where we are now! They still don't get it, do they?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2019 11:28:12 GMT
Kuenssberg has just said on Politics Live, that the Government are having discussions right now about whether to call a snap election in the next 72 hours.
If MP's manage to change the law this week, then that will be the trigger for Johnson to go to the polls.
Obviously the Tory rebels will have lost the whip and will be unable to stand in the election.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2019 11:29:50 GMT
I put 5 Live on for a change, earlier. They were at Preston market, and they interviewed a florist, who was born before the Second World War. The interviewer pressed her on tariffs on flowers from the Netherlands, and she said we have been through worse, and we will cope. He tried again, but she wasn't moving, and said it might mean she would get English flowers for her stall. He seemed really put out at this. It's nonsense to say that there's no bias, it's fucking everywhere! Perhaps she's well off and an couldn't care less? No context to the conversation. A no deal Brexit will harm more people than it benefits. I can't see for the life of me why people would be happy to make themselves poorer. Some of the context; She runs a florist shop, a business and although there may be difficulties she believes that she can overcome them. A bit of positive spirit. Perhaps she won't make herself worse off, perhaps she or her children ( if she has any) may be better off. Time will tell. Perhaps she is pleased that she will have the opportunity to elect or reject her local representative in parliament. And that she prefers to be in a sovereign independent nation rather than surrendering sovereignty to a German and French led EU. Perhaps Tricky's instinct is correct |
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Post by lommack on Sept 2, 2019 11:34:52 GMT
Perhaps she's well off and an couldn't care less? No context to the conversation. A no deal Brexit will harm more people than it benefits. I can't see for the life of me why people would be happy to make themselves poorer. Some of the context; She runs a florist shop, a business and although there may be difficulties she believes that she can overcome them. A bit of positive spirit. Perhaps she won't make herself worse off, perhaps she or her children ( if she has any) may be better off. Time will tell. Perhaps she is pleased that she will have the opportunity to elect or reject her local representative in parliament. And that she prefers to be in a sovereign independent nation rather than surrendering sovereignty to a German and French led EU. Perhaps Tricky's instinct is correct Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps That's the problem We'll be ok for gods sake grow some balls. Oh and if you aren't tough tits we've won |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 2, 2019 11:35:05 GMT
Dominic Cummings(not an MP)threatens to sack Tory MP’s for not backing any deal & he’s not even a member of the Tory Party  A name people will get used to hearing under Johnsons reign of terror.An extremely dangerous man in politics as I pointed out weeks ago. |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Sept 2, 2019 11:36:58 GMT
So MP's who are returning from an almost 6 week Summer holiday are moaning their bag off because a new administration wants to end the longest session of Parliament (400 days) since the Civil War. A new administration who want a Queens Speech to set out their domestic agenda as have every other new Government. Porogueing Government for the 9th time in 14 years. Shaving 3 days of debate off over 3 years of debate. Meh. 59 days left to go... then after a period of teeth gnashing it will die down, thank God! We saw similar straight after the referendum when the forecasted recession did not happen... until the baying wolves started again.... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2019 11:37:36 GMT
Some of the context; She runs a florist shop, a business and although there may be difficulties she believes that she can overcome them. A bit of positive spirit. Perhaps she won't make herself worse off, perhaps she or her children ( if she has any) may be better off. Time will tell. Perhaps she is pleased that she will have the opportunity to elect or reject her local representative in parliament. And that she prefers to be in a sovereign independent nation rather than surrendering sovereignty to a German and French led EU. Perhaps Tricky's instinct is correct Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps That's the problem We'll be ok for gods sake grow some balls. Oh and if you aren't tough tits we've won Yes there are a lot of uncertainties in the future....a lot of perhapses ( similar to your...."Perhaps she's well off"... perhaps she isn't rich but very dependent upon her floristry business). And i don't understand your last sentence, not that it matters much. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 2, 2019 11:39:14 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 2, 2019 11:44:55 GMT
A timely reminder from the EU yesterday. Spinelli, a communist and European federalist. "More involvement by the EU Parliament" Attachment Deleted |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 2, 2019 11:47:44 GMT
Last I saw (and that was a long time ago) the Brexit Party candidates looked similar to the rest - Farage, Rees-Mogg and Widdecombe are all career politicians, people like Tice have been on the political scene (behind the scenes) for a while, and the guy they put up in Peterborough left a lot to be desired in terms of saying anything of anything note. Of course, none of that will matter to some. If they are pro-Brexit then they'll be classed as good, honest politicians who rally against the Establishment despite the fact by-and-large they are part of it. I briefly read something about the fact that they opened up the selection procedure to all their members, potentially offering them a chance to become a politician for about 50 quid (if I remember the figure correctly), but despite taking the money it appears very few "average Joes" have actually been selected. I'm sure there's a few in there like every party, but no more than any other party in my opinion. C if you look at the list of candidates they sre largely ones who have not taken part in front line politics snd have not previously stood for parliament. there are more than the usual 650 who think that they are able to run the country....you know the Kinnocks, the Coopers, the Eton mob, the entitled.....a breath of fresh air. The thing they have in common is a belief in BREXIT and the sovereignty and independence of the UK, not a bad thing for a UK Politician. This man is interesting..." loaded" son of a miner. twitter.com/MartinDaubney?s=09C I don't see much which makes this guy different. I'm pretty sure there will be ex-journalists in the other parties - Boris Johnson being the obvious one. There's also people from working class backgrounds - Dianne Abbott for another obvious example. The small bit I've seen of the Brexit Party seems to be a case of the party convincing people to be amazed at the utterly unamazing. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 2, 2019 11:50:56 GMT
Kuenssberg has just said on Politics Live, that the Government are having discussions right now about whether to call a snap election in the next 72 hours. If MP's manage to change the law this week, then that will be the trigger for Johnson to go to the polls. Obviously the Tory rebels will have lost the whip and will be unable to stand in the election. Here comes Owen Jones.. Let's see what he has to say on Politics Live |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2019 11:54:24 GMT
C if you look at the list of candidates they sre largely ones who have not taken part in front line politics snd have not previously stood for parliament. there are more than the usual 650 who think that they are able to run the country....you know the Kinnocks, the Coopers, the Eton mob, the entitled.....a breath of fresh air. The thing they have in common is a belief in BREXIT and the sovereignty and independence of the UK, not a bad thing for a UK Politician. This man is interesting..." loaded" son of a miner. twitter.com/MartinDaubney?s=09C I don't see much which makes this guy different. I'm pretty sure there will be ex-journalists in the other parties - Boris Johnson being the obvious one. There's also people from working class backgrounds - Dianne Abbott for another obvious example. The small bit I've seen of the Brexit Party seems to be a case of the party convincing people to be amazed at the utterly unamazing. C. He is very different . A career outside of mainstream politics, from the working class but , heaven forbid, he has become successful. If you don't want to see it , it's up to you. Abbott a Labourcareer politician sending her children to private school whilst advocating that the state school is ok for the plebs. Then there's the Eton gang. |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 2, 2019 12:00:02 GMT
I saw A Nepalese metal band at the Sugarmill a few months back. I don't think they were particularly wealthy but they'd got here and were happily selling their merch. Many small groups survive on their merchandise when they tour abroad ,a third of musicians get more than half of their income from work in the EU27. If we leave with a no deal the groups will have to apply and pay for visas for every country they play Holland, Belgium, France, Germany etc. The majority of EU bands who currently come to the UK will no longer be able to come because a) promoters will not be able to afford it (the actual cost for non EU bands is £244 per person, including roadies, drivers etc plus bank statements to show that all have at least £945 in the bank), b) promoters will not want the hassle and c) most will get refused a ‘work permit’ anyway e.g. “make a unique contribution to the UK labour market, for example, you’re internationally renowned or are required for continuity” d) they must also be guaranteed to meet minimum wage standards as set by MU, BECTU, Equity etc |
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Post by Foster on Sept 2, 2019 12:01:46 GMT
A Labour MP on Politics Live saying that 2 million EU citizens in the UK are the priority. That's a big part of the reason we are where we are now! They still don't get it, do they? I think you didn't get it mate. She's referring to people here working and helping the economy. Not asylum seekers or young jihadis. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 2, 2019 12:03:28 GMT
Kuenssberg has just said on Politics Live, that the Government are having discussions right now about whether to call a snap election in the next 72 hours. If MP's manage to change the law this week, then that will be the trigger for Johnson to go to the polls. Obviously the Tory rebels will have lost the whip and will be unable to stand in the election. To call an election he needs a two thirds majority in parliament. If he calls it to dodge the no deal legislation he may not get that two thirds in which case he may be left with 20 odd former conservative MP's sitting as independents. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 2, 2019 12:15:08 GMT
Kuenssberg has just said on Politics Live, that the Government are having discussions right now about whether to call a snap election in the next 72 hours. If MP's manage to change the law this week, then that will be the trigger for Johnson to go to the polls. Obviously the Tory rebels will have lost the whip and will be unable to stand in the election. To call an election he needs a two thirds majority in parliament. If he calls it to dodge the no deal legislation he may not get that two thirds in which case he may be left with 20 odd former conservative MP's sitting as independents. Watching Jeremy not vote for a General Election will be seriously amusing. I think that's why St Tony Blair has spelt out what a GE before Brexit would do to the Labour Party. |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 2, 2019 12:34:21 GMT
I don't think it is though Momo. Labour seem to have become incapable of listening and the extreme side of Labour seem to just keep repeating what you are saying. Reminds me very much of Militant in he 80s. Many of us would have liked to have voted Labour but I'm afraid that this lot seem to have become irrelevant. It's not just about the Tories, Labour need to show that they are better. They just don't seem credible anymore, even a bit hysterical. I can't stand the Lib Dems but at least they are clear on BREXIT. Which bit aren't you getting John? The enforced closure of parliament and shutting down scrutiny and debate? The threat to ignore the law of the land should legislation be passed this week The threat to sack MP's who don't agree with a very narrow blinkered entitled view of Brexit We are currently living in a right wing dictatorship under any measure. Points by comparison 1. Labours enquiry into anti semitism 2. Exiting the EU is already law of the land 3. Sacking M.Ps is happening now within the Labour Party , harman and field facing deselection after momentum infiltrated their constituency party 4 .i don't remember corbyn or Macdonalds criticism of Cuba or Venezuela regarding dictatorships |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 2, 2019 12:44:42 GMT
C I don't see much which makes this guy different. I'm pretty sure there will be ex-journalists in the other parties - Boris Johnson being the obvious one. There's also people from working class backgrounds - Dianne Abbott for another obvious example. The small bit I've seen of the Brexit Party seems to be a case of the party convincing people to be amazed at the utterly unamazing. C. He is very different . A career outside of mainstream politics, from the working class but , heaven forbid, he has become successful. If you don't want to see it , it's up to you. Abbott a Labourcareer politician sending her children to private school whilst advocating that the state school is ok for the plebs. Then there's the Eton gang. X It's not about me "not seeing it", it's just stating what is quite obvious. There are former journalists in the House of Commons, and there are some (but not enough) working class politicians in there as well. Another example being the Labour candidate that beat the Brexit Party to the seat in Peterborough - wasn't she a former nurse? He might be a fantastic politician - but this idea that their candidates are completely different to other parties is complete nonsense. If you wish not to see that Diane Abbott is from a working class background, then fair enough. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that she definitely is. Doesn't mean you have to agree with her on anything of course. |
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Post by slpmarc on Sept 2, 2019 12:48:12 GMT
Government cannot stop it unless the can get a GE in before the 31st.
They can bring in all the legislation they want but all that will do is force Boris to ask for an extension. The EU member have to 100% agree to this extension of which Boris has a vote and all he need to do is vote no and the UK leaves on the 31st. Teresa May had that vote twice but chose to allow the extension mainly as she never wanted out in the first place
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 2, 2019 12:49:37 GMT
This should explain it for you momo Utter bullshit that What a fucking hypocrite Baker is. An absolute shameless cunt. It's the same as top hat telling us that prorogation had nothing to do with Brexit. Its a hard right takeover, an anti democratic power grab. They're taking the piss in plain sight. Bastards. It really isn't and you know how I know it's not an anti democratic power grab against the countries best interests because if it was racist grandpa would be supporting it. In Venezula racist grandpas mate is disappearing people off the street and all those cunts say is something about America. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2019 12:54:17 GMT
C. He is very different . A career outside of mainstream politics, from the working class but , heaven forbid, he has become successful. If you don't want to see it , it's up to you. Abbott a Labourcareer politician sending her children to private school whilst advocating that the state school is ok for the plebs. Then there's the Eton gang. X It's not about me "not seeing it", it's just stating what is quite obvious. There are former journalists in the House of Commons, and there are some (but not enough) working class politicians in there as well. Another example being the Labour candidate that beat the Brexit Party to the seat in Peterborough - wasn't she a former nurse? He might be a fantastic politician - but this idea that their candidates are completely different to other parties is complete nonsense. If you wish not to see that Diane Abbott is from a working class background, then fair enough. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that she definitely is. Doesn't mean you have to agree with her on anything of course. C I did not say that Abbott was not working class. I said that she is a career politician who is hypocritical. If you cannot see that some of the below have a different history / background than current incumbents that's up to you. It's sad that those on the left want same old , same old... nothing new...... playing straight into the hands of your bosses. A few snippets about some of the candidates. Plenty of the others are first time candidates. www.thesun.co.uk/news/9808759/who-is-the-brexit-partys-new-warrington-south-candidate-clare-aspinall/news.sky.com/story/bucks-fizz-singer-jay-aston-colquhounis-signs-up-as-brexit-party-candidate-11795435This man sent his children to state school.... fairly revolutionary for some politicians and CEO of a small business organisation. ( He served as chief executive of the Forum of Private Business, representing more than 15,000 small businesses at Westminster and in Brussels.) stepped up from local politics. www.winsfordguardian.co.uk/news/17837366.brexit-party-reveals-eddisbury-candidate-next-general-election/( A bit of cut and paste for you)..... Colin William Lambert – Ex-Labour leader of Rochdale Council – standing in Haywood and Middleton Colin has left the Labour party after 40 years to join the Brexit Party. He’s a teacher at a pupil referral unit – teaching science and maths. He said: “I left the Labour Party after nearly 40 as it is simply not the party I joined. They have let down our city and people by ignoring the democratic decision to leave the EU.” The Stoke man..... Dr Tariq Mahmood – Barrister – standing in Stoke-on-Trent Central Dr Mahmood is a lawyer by day, with a background in international trade. He says he’s proof the Brexit Party is “a diverse party with people from all religions and ethnicities.” I think that Sikhs have generally integrated into British culture very well. Sadhana Stokes, standing for Charnwood is a businesswoman with an allotment, whose family were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin www.thesun.co.uk/news/9808759/who-is-the-brexit-partys-new-warrington-south-candidate-clare-aspinall/news.sky.com/story/bucks-fizz-singer-jay-aston-colquhounis-signs-up-as-brexit-party-candidate-11795435 |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 2, 2019 13:02:06 GMT
Government cannot stop it unless the can get a GE in before the 31st. They can bring in all the legislation they want but all that will do is force Boris to ask for an extension. The EU member have to 100% agree to this extension of which Boris has a vote and all he need to do is vote no and the UK leaves on the 31st. Teresa May had that vote twice but chose to allow the extension mainly as she never wanted out in the first place Actually not sure that is the case if you read this, it seems there is some precedent for the government refusing to put a bill forward, if not Boris does not vote for an extension so we leave, whatever peoples thoughts an aimless delay with more months of uncertainty is the worst of all worlds. |
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Post by lommack on Sept 2, 2019 13:04:34 GMT
X It's not about me "not seeing it", it's just stating what is quite obvious. There are former journalists in the House of Commons, and there are some (but not enough) working class politicians in there as well. Another example being the Labour candidate that beat the Brexit Party to the seat in Peterborough - wasn't she a former nurse? He might be a fantastic politician - but this idea that their candidates are completely different to other parties is complete nonsense. If you wish not to see that Diane Abbott is from a working class background, then fair enough. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that she definitely is. Doesn't mean you have to agree with her on anything of course. C I did not say that Abbott was not working class. I said that she is a career politician who is hypocritical. If you cannot see that some of the below have a different history / background than current incumbents that's up to you. It's sad that those on the left want same old , same old... nothing new...... playing straight into the hands of your bosses. A few snippets about some of the candidates. Plenty of the others are first time candidates. www.thesun.co.uk/news/9808759/who-is-the-brexit-partys-new-warrington-south-candidate-clare-aspinall/This man sent his children to state school.... fairly revolutionary for some politicians and CEO of a small business organisation. ( He served as chief executive of the Forum of Private Business, representing more than 15,000 small businesses at Westminster and in Brussels.) stepped up from local politics. www.winsfordguardian.co.uk/news/17837366.brexit-party-reveals-eddisbury-candidate-next-general-election/( A bit of cut and paste for you)..... Colin William Lambert – Ex-Labour leader of Rochdale Council – standing in Haywood and Middleton Colin has left the Labour party after 40 years to join the Brexit Party. He’s a teacher at a pupil referral unit – teaching science and maths. He said: “I left the Labour Party after nearly 40 as it is simply not the party I joined. They have let down our city and people by ignoring the democratic decision to leave the EU.” The Stoke man..... Dr Tariq Mahmood – Barrister – standing in Stoke-on-Trent Central Dr Mahmood is a lawyer by day, with a background in international trade. He says he’s proof the Brexit Party is “a diverse party with people from all religions and ethnicities.” I think that Sikhs have generally integrated into British culture very well. Sadhana Stokes, standing for Charnwood is a businesswoman with an allotment, whose family were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin www.thesun.co.uk/news/9808759/who-is-the-brexit-partys-new-warrington-south-candidate-clare-aspinall/news.sky.com/story/bucks-fizz-singer-jay-aston-colquhounis-signs-up-as-brexit-party-candidate-11795435Copy and paste? Straight from Brexit central office. Makes sense |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 2, 2019 13:08:45 GMT
Emergency Cabinet meeting at 5pm
General Election coming up!
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 2, 2019 13:10:49 GMT
X It's not about me "not seeing it", it's just stating what is quite obvious. There are former journalists in the House of Commons, and there are some (but not enough) working class politicians in there as well. Another example being the Labour candidate that beat the Brexit Party to the seat in Peterborough - wasn't she a former nurse? He might be a fantastic politician - but this idea that their candidates are completely different to other parties is complete nonsense. If you wish not to see that Diane Abbott is from a working class background, then fair enough. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that she definitely is. Doesn't mean you have to agree with her on anything of course. C I did not say that Abbott was not working class. I said that she is a career politician who is hypocritical. If you cannot see that some of the below have a different history / background than current incumbents that's up to you. It's sad that those on the left want same old , same old... nothing new...... playing straight into the hands of your bosses. A few snippets about some of the candidates. Plenty of the others are first time candidates. www.thesun.co.uk/news/9808759/who-is-the-brexit-partys-new-warrington-south-candidate-clare-aspinall/news.sky.com/story/bucks-fizz-singer-jay-aston-colquhounis-signs-up-as-brexit-party-candidate-11795435This man sent his children to state school.... fairly revolutionary for some politicians and CEO of a small business organisation. ( He served as chief executive of the Forum of Private Business, representing more than 15,000 small businesses at Westminster and in Brussels.) stepped up from local politics. www.winsfordguardian.co.uk/news/17837366.brexit-party-reveals-eddisbury-candidate-next-general-election/( A bit of cut and paste for you)..... Colin William Lambert – Ex-Labour leader of Rochdale Council – standing in Haywood and Middleton Colin has left the Labour party after 40 years to join the Brexit Party. He’s a teacher at a pupil referral unit – teaching science and maths. He said: “I left the Labour Party after nearly 40 as it is simply not the party I joined. They have let down our city and people by ignoring the democratic decision to leave the EU.” The Stoke man..... Dr Tariq Mahmood – Barrister – standing in Stoke-on-Trent Central Dr Mahmood is a lawyer by day, with a background in international trade. He says he’s proof the Brexit Party is “a diverse party with people from all religions and ethnicities.” I think that Sikhs have generally integrated into British culture very well. Sadhana Stokes, standing for Charnwood is a businesswoman with an allotment, whose family were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin www.thesun.co.uk/news/9808759/who-is-the-brexit-partys-new-warrington-south-candidate-clare-aspinall/news.sky.com/story/bucks-fizz-singer-jay-aston-colquhounis-signs-up-as-brexit-party-candidate-11795435I'm all for something new - just let me know when the Brexit Party have some candidates that are new. At the moment we have a barrister (who can join Keir Starmer - maybe they know each other), an owner of a small business (like Jeremy Hunt), ex-leader of a council (so a career politician like Abbott), a teacher (at least half-a-dozen former teachers were elected for the first time at the 2017 General Election), a Sikh (like Labour's Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi), an allotment owner (like Corbyn), and a businesswoman (like Heidi Allen). Granted, I can't find someone whose family were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin - so you've got me there. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2019 13:11:57 GMT
I'm all for something new - just let me know when the Brexit Party have some candidates that are new. At the moment we have a barrister (who can join Keir Starmer - maybe they know each other), an owner of a small business (like Jeremy Hunt), ex-leader of a council (so a career politician like Abbott), a teacher (at least half-a-dozen former teachers were elected for the first time at the 2017 General Election), a Sikh (like Labour's Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi), an allotment owner (like Corbyn), and a businesswoman (like Heidi Allen). Granted, I can't find someone whose family were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin - so you've got me there. They are all new prospective candidates C not career politicians |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 2, 2019 13:38:59 GMT
I'm all for something new - just let me know when the Brexit Party have some candidates that are new. At the moment we have a barrister (who can join Keir Starmer - maybe they know each other), an owner of a small business (like Jeremy Hunt), ex-leader of a council (so a career politician like Abbott), a teacher (at least half-a-dozen former teachers were elected for the first time at the 2017 General Election), a Sikh (like Labour's Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi), an allotment owner (like Corbyn), and a businesswoman (like Heidi Allen). Granted, I can't find someone whose family were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin - so you've got me there. They are all new prospective candidates C not career politicians For a party that has never stood an election, isn't that a given (barring maybe a few defectors from other parties)? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 2, 2019 13:43:14 GMT
It's OK everybody, the multi millionaire man in a top hat says you wont die.
What the fuck does the doctor employed to write the mitigations know over the privileged Victorian ghost?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2019 14:08:11 GMT
They are all new prospective candidates C not career politicians For a party that has never stood an election, isn't that a given (barring maybe a few defectors from other parties)? At Last! That's exactly it. New party . Refreshing new non career politicians. A given. Say no more. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 2, 2019 14:19:41 GMT
For a party that has never stood an election, isn't that a given (barring maybe a few defectors from other parties)? At Last! That's exactly it. New party . Refreshing new non career politicians. A given. Say no more. Say no more. Ask no more. Think no more. That's the Brexit Part slogan isn't it? |
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