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Post by followyoudown on Aug 13, 2019 15:20:44 GMT
A few weeks back the "EU" secured a deal with Australia worth 50b AUD over a period of time. The person at the negotiations on behalf of the EU was French. The French also got the contract to supply the 50b AUD worth of armaments.The " power" of the EU did favour the EU but not the UK So are you assuming that the UK would have won that deal had it competed solely vs the EU? What this tells me is that the EU wins deals for it's 'members' and I would rather the deal be with an EU member than with a country outside of the EU. Especially since the members fund the union. Also, who says that the french won't subcontract some of the services out to other EU countries? So really, what you're complaining about is that the EU won a deal but didn't give it to the UK. Even though there was no chance the UK could have won it anyway. Thanks for backing up the EU argument. I thought remainers were meant to be bright ? The EU does not win any deals for members all it does is set the rules and any tariffs on trade, individual companies then try and sell their products or bid for contracts. The point here BJR is making that the trade deal with Australia is signed and a french company then wins a big contract, this happens alot the FTA with Japan upsides for france / germany downside for Uk carmaking, the mercour agreement same for france and germany massive downside for irish agriculture. Don't you think it strange these agreements always benefit germany and france ?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2019 15:33:35 GMT
True. But imagine. What if you could leave the farm rather than live under those exploiting pigs. Would be nice, but I'm afraid the likes of Bojo, Farage, Corbyn and all our other politicians are here to stay. Not if the electorate vote them out.... unlike the EU bureaucrats.
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2019 15:42:20 GMT
So are you assuming that the UK would have won that deal had it competed solely vs the EU? What this tells me is that the EU wins deals for it's 'members' and I would rather the deal be with an EU member than with a country outside of the EU. Especially since the members fund the union. Also, who says that the french won't subcontract some of the services out to other EU countries? So really, what you're complaining about is that the EU won a deal but didn't give it to the UK. Even though there was no chance the UK could have won it anyway. Thanks for backing up the EU argument. I thought remainers were meant to be bright ? The EU does not win any deals for members all it does is set the rules and any tariffs on trade, individual companies then try and sell their products or bid for contracts. The point here BJR is making that the trade deal with Australia is signed and a french company then wins a big contract, this happens alot the FTA with Japan upsides for france / germany downside for Uk carmaking, the mercour agreement same for france and germany massive downside for irish agriculture. Don't you think it strange these agreements always benefit germany and france ? It's BJR who said the EU got the deal not me. But good of you to call him thick.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2019 15:55:53 GMT
I thought remainers were meant to be bright ? The EU does not win any deals for members all it does is set the rules and any tariffs on trade, individual companies then try and sell their products or bid for contracts. The point here BJR is making that the trade deal with Australia is signed and a french company then wins a big contract, this happens alot the FTA with Japan upsides for france / germany downside for Uk carmaking, the mercour agreement same for france and germany massive downside for irish agriculture. Don't you think it strange these agreements always benefit germany and france ? It's BJR who said the EU got the deal not me. But good of you to call him thick. France and Germany are part of the EU aren't they? You don't seem to get what's going on on your blind defence of the EU In Whose interest is the sacrosanct CAP? The monthly beano to Strasbourg is about pleasing the French , nothing more. Your whole arguments in support of the EU revolve around trying to be " clever"( 🤭) in avoiding the issues.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 13, 2019 15:57:37 GMT
I thought remainers were meant to be bright ? The EU does not win any deals for members all it does is set the rules and any tariffs on trade, individual companies then try and sell their products or bid for contracts. The point here BJR is making that the trade deal with Australia is signed and a french company then wins a big contract, this happens alot the FTA with Japan upsides for france / germany downside for Uk carmaking, the mercour agreement same for france and germany massive downside for irish agriculture. Don't you think it strange these agreements always benefit germany and france ? It's BJR who said the EU got the deal not me. But good of you to call him thick. He is not a remainer and he clearly says the "EU" rather than EU, you have then started wittering on about the EU winning deals buddy. I suggest you meme yourself
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2019 16:11:45 GMT
It's BJR who said the EU got the deal not me. But good of you to call him thick. He is not a remainer and he clearly says the "EU" rather than EU, you have then started wittering on about the EU winning deals buddy. I suggest you meme yourself Nah. You're wrong. Just can't come back with anything to counter your invalid and weak arguments. BJR basically countered himself. I don't even need to say anything. It's hilarious.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2019 16:18:48 GMT
He is not a remainer and he clearly says the "EU" rather than EU, you have then started wittering on about the EU winning deals buddy. I suggest you meme yourself Nah. You're wrong. Just can't come back with anything to counter your invalid and weak arguments. BJR basically countered himself. I don't even need to say anything. It's hilarious. You still revert to the personal, a classic sign of losing the argument
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2019 16:19:28 GMT
Leavers making invalid points, then going back on them, then resorting to playing on words and all the while blaming Remainers for being right all along.
The commitment to the cause is admirable but at some point you'll have to snap out of the small island mentality and see the big picture like most other people.
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2019 16:19:54 GMT
Nah. You're wrong. Just can't come back with anything to counter your invalid and weak arguments. BJR basically countered himself. I don't even need to say anything. It's hilarious. You still revert to the personal, a classic sign of losing the argument Not personal mate. Just fact.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2019 16:23:34 GMT
You still revert to the personal, a classic sign of losing the argument Not personal mate. Just fact. I think you'll find it is and nothing to do with the EU. Your only line of argument.
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Post by potteringermany on Aug 13, 2019 16:26:38 GMT
So are you assuming that the UK would have won that deal had it competed solely vs the EU? What this tells me is that the EU wins deals for it's 'members' and I would rather the deal be with an EU member than with a country outside of the EU. Especially since the members fund the union. Also, who says that the french won't subcontract some of the services out to other EU countries? So really, what you're complaining about is that the EU won a deal but didn't give it to the UK. Even though there was no chance the UK could have won it anyway. Thanks for backing up the EU argument. I thought remainers were meant to be bright ? The EU does not win any deals for members all it does is set the rules and any tariffs on trade, individual companies then try and sell their products or bid for contracts. The point here BJR is making that the trade deal with Australia is signed and a french company then wins a big contract, this happens alot the FTA with Japan upsides for france / germany downside for Uk carmaking, the mercour agreement same for france and germany massive downside for irish agriculture. Don't you think it strange these agreements always benefit germany and france ? Is that true BJ? I'd be really intersted to know the name of this french negotiator and when the armament deal was signed and which companies tendered for it. It all seems very strange
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2019 16:26:51 GMT
Not personal mate. Just fact. I think you'll find it is and nothing to do with the EU. Your only line of argument. You're just jealous because I have an argument. You should try using a valid one sometime mate. It's quite liberating.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2019 16:28:23 GMT
I think you'll find it is and nothing to do with the EU. Your only line of argument. You're just jealous because I have an argument. You should try using a valid one sometime mate. It's quite liberating. Actually it is your lack of argument that I find disappointing....just personal stuff, having lost the argument.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 13, 2019 16:29:43 GMT
I think you'll find it is and nothing to do with the EU. Your only line of argument. You're just jealous because I have an argument. You should try using a valid one sometime mate. It's quite liberating. How old are you, fella?
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2019 16:33:35 GMT
I thought remainers were meant to be bright ? The EU does not win any deals for members all it does is set the rules and any tariffs on trade, individual companies then try and sell their products or bid for contracts. The point here BJR is making that the trade deal with Australia is signed and a french company then wins a big contract, this happens alot the FTA with Japan upsides for france / germany downside for Uk carmaking, the mercour agreement same for france and germany massive downside for irish agriculture. Don't you think it strange these agreements always benefit germany and france ? Is that true BJ? I'd be really intersted to know the name of this french negotiator and when the armament deal was signed and which companies tendered for it. It all seems very strange Probably fake news like most of the shit leavers on here spout as gospel. Surveys of 20 people that represent overwhelming global support for Brexit. Tweets from random people containing made up statistics to suit their agenda. 800+ pages and still no proper reason for leaving the EU. Independence (already have it), sovereignty (and that too), Democracy (oh, what a surprise, also have this). But the EU wants 'ever closer union'. End of days.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 13, 2019 16:40:40 GMT
What a pisser! 😁
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2019 16:40:50 GMT
I thought remainers were meant to be bright ? The EU does not win any deals for members all it does is set the rules and any tariffs on trade, individual companies then try and sell their products or bid for contracts. The point here BJR is making that the trade deal with Australia is signed and a french company then wins a big contract, this happens alot the FTA with Japan upsides for france / germany downside for Uk carmaking, the mercour agreement same for france and germany massive downside for irish agriculture. Don't you think it strange these agreements always benefit germany and france ? Is that true BJ? I'd be really intersted to know the name of this french negotiator and when the armament deal was signed and which companies tendered for it. It all seems very strange Your persona has quoted FYD not me. I have tried but couldn't find the tweet on my feed, it was a few weeks ago. It was something to do with this. adbr.com.au/inaugural-australia-france-defence-industry-symposium-underway/As you have joined this little episode with Foster perhaps you could address the general issue.... do you think that Germany or France , as part of the EU ( in fact the leaders/ decision makers/ driving force) are more likely to make decisions in their own self interest rather than on occasion in the interest of the UK.....or is the get out " they make them in the interest of the EU"....very commendable in the abstract.
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Post by potteringermany on Aug 13, 2019 16:44:06 GMT
Is that true BJ? I'd be really intersted to know the name of this french negotiator and when the armament deal was signed and which companies tendered for it. It all seems very strange Your persona has quoted FYD not me. I have tried but couldn't find the tweet on my feed, it was a few weeks ago. It was something to do with this. adbr.com.au/inaugural-australia-france-defence-industry-symposium-underway/As you have joined this little episode with Foster perhaps you could address the general issue.... do you think that Germany or France , as part of the EU ( in fact the leaders/ decision makers/ driving force) are more likely to make decisions in their own self interest rather than on occasion in the interest of the UK.....or is the get out " they make them in the interest of the EU"....very commendable in the abstract. It would really interest me if what you are saying is true
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2019 16:46:16 GMT
You're just jealous because I have an argument. You should try using a valid one sometime mate. It's quite liberating. How old are you, fella? Old enough to know that trying to debate Brexit on here seriously leads to nothing but frustration. I tried that already and all it got was the usual remoaner and remainiac jibes, plus the usual suspects all banding together and liking each others pro-Brexit posts regardless of if they were valid points or not. If 'those' posters (not all) aren't going to be impartial or accept valid arguments then neither will I. If by chance you're asking my age because you're interested in me then I'm afraid to say that I'm already in a relationship. I'm honoured you ask, but Sorry.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2019 16:46:51 GMT
Your persona has quoted FYD not me. I have tried but couldn't find the tweet on my feed, it was a few weeks ago. It was something to do with this. adbr.com.au/inaugural-australia-france-defence-industry-symposium-underway/As you have joined this little episode with Foster perhaps you could address the general issue.... do you think that Germany or France , as part of the EU ( in fact the leaders/ decision makers/ driving force) are more likely to make decisions in their own self interest rather than on occasion in the interest of the UK.....or is the get out " they make them in the interest of the EU"....very commendable in the abstract. It would really interest me if what you are saying is true As I say it was a few weeks ago....any views on my question about the self interest of France and Germany within the EU. "On Monday, Prime Minister Scott Morrison was joined by French Defence Minister Florence Parly to sign a long awaited "strategic partnering agreement" to underpin the $50 billion Future Submarine project" www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-12/barracuda-delay-and-impact-on-australian-program/10800794
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2019 16:48:28 GMT
Is that true BJ? I'd be really intersted to know the name of this french negotiator and when the armament deal was signed and which companies tendered for it. It all seems very strange Your persona has quoted FYD not me. I have tried but couldn't find the tweet on my feed, it was a few weeks ago. It was something to do with this. adbr.com.au/inaugural-australia-france-defence-industry-symposium-underway/As you have joined this little episode with Foster perhaps you could address the general issue.... do you think that Germany or France , as part of the EU ( in fact the leaders/ decision makers/ driving force) are more likely to make decisions in their own self interest rather than on occasion in the interest of the UK.....or is the get out " they make them in the interest of the EU"....very commendable in the abstract. Can't find the very argument you've spent all day using to cain the EU... Surprise fucking surprise.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2019 16:51:09 GMT
Can't find the very argument you've spent all day using to cain the EU... Surprise fucking surprise. See my previous post above in reply to the pottteringermany version. No answer about the benevolence of France and Germany then and their support of the UK? Rivals or partners? "On Monday, Prime Minister Scott Morrison was joined by French Defence Minister Florence Parly to sign a long awaited "strategic partnering agreement" to underpin the $50 billion Future Submarine project" www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-12/barracuda-delay-and-impact-on-australian-program/10800794
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2019 16:54:23 GMT
See my previous post above in reply to the pottteringermany version. No answer about the benevolence of France and Germany then and their support of the UK? I'll give a valid answer when you stop wasting people's time and actually post something that's true mate. By the way the EU just gave the UK 100 billion in Brexit aid.... I read it on twitter somewhere.
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Post by Roland the Thompson Gunner on Aug 13, 2019 16:58:28 GMT
So, Northy, you're assuming that leaving the EU will immediately remove the regulations from your sister's café with no evidence; UK governments aren't particularly famous for deregulation. Your son will always have to compete for jobs, but surely any decent job has a salary up front and doesn't go to the lowest bidder. In answer to point 3, no, I don't give a shit who governs me; they're all out for number 1 whether they're British or not, so on balance I'd rather be in with a veto than outside where they can fuck us over as they want.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 13, 2019 16:59:01 GMT
You're just jealous because I have an argument. You should try using a valid one sometime mate. It's quite liberating. How old are you, fella? He’s a WUM. Best ignored.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2019 17:04:02 GMT
I'll take this advice Partick ( after my next post). ( i would like to add that I do respect your arguments in our recent discussion about the EU army.... which really is what I am after on the EE board..we don't have to agree but can discuss the issues..... mind you I want to revisit Farage one day!)
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2019 17:05:07 GMT
See my previous post above in reply to the pottteringermany versions. No answer about the benevolence of France and Germany then and their support of the UK? I'll give a valid answer when you stop wasting people's time and actually post something that's true mate. By the way the EU just gave the UK 100 billion in Brexit aid.... I read it on twitter somewhere. ( Link posted above) www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-12/barracuda-delay-and-impact-on-australian-program/10800794Where did the EU get that money from? Seems like Partick is correct ( or/and Void)
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2019 17:19:11 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 13, 2019 17:28:52 GMT
I thought remainers were meant to be bright ? The EU does not win any deals for members all it does is set the rules and any tariffs on trade, individual companies then try and sell their products or bid for contracts. The point here BJR is making that the trade deal with Australia is signed and a french company then wins a big contract, this happens alot the FTA with Japan upsides for france / germany downside for Uk carmaking, the mercour agreement same for france and germany massive downside for irish agriculture. Don't you think it strange these agreements always benefit germany and france ? Is that true BJ? I'd be really intersted to know the name of this french negotiator and when the armament deal was signed and which companies tendered for it. It all seems very strange This is a fair question - were any British companies actually in for it? If they were then there is some logic to it being bad for British business, although it does assume a British business would've won the contract if the EU had never existed. If there wasn't then it's a red herring.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2019 17:30:28 GMT
Thanks , at last the penny( or Euro) seems to have dropped. Have the rest of the day off.
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