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Post by Northy on Jul 11, 2019 13:31:04 GMT
First of all we haven't had a genersl election during the lifetime of the BREXIT party. Be realistic they have existed for lesd than 6 months. Amazing progress already wouldn't you say? The political class thought they had ' no brexit' sorted out until Farage had to step in... Seems like you already have your agenda.. None of the other parties have their manifestos out ( quite rightly) yet, things change/ timing is s political decision. Farage has done a remarkable job already.. .he will be ready if necessary if there is an election. They ( We) are as we speak putting together ideas on what they are calling Direct Democracy....as an aside...Ive had something through the podt this morning I believe that thry have some new refreshing candidates, that might be a good start.....what we do know is that they will put the UK first.....and we do know clearly where they stand on the biggest issues of this generation , BREXIT and democracy and sovereignty, which is more than you can say about any other party. Consistent and clear. I didn't think that people were so scared of chsnge( I know it is risky, life is risky). The Big two class have had a monopoly for years and people don't seem hsppy. I'll link a couple of Tice's thought through when I get chance. Not true, the Brexit party are just a re-vamped UKIP. Farage has seven times attempted to be an MP and has failed every time,he is just a protest vote and nothing else.Fresh new candidates=Anne widdecombe Farages is not new and neither are his policies (assuming he has more than one)he is just a right wing tory ,which is something Im surprised anyone in Stoke can relate too never mind vote for. Think you need to look into them a bit more.
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Post by foster on Jul 11, 2019 13:31:21 GMT
Aside from Brexit (which BJ has also promised), what does the Brexit party have to offer? What's their take on the NHS, Education, Public services, Taxes, etc. For me, they're just a bunch of 2nd rate politicians riding on the current wave of resentment towards the government. I don't trust a single word any of them (or other politicians) say and I'm sure they would jump ship if it meant a better deal for them. BJ saw how quickly they got protest votes in the EU elections and now he's promised a leave in order to ensure the Brexit party disappears into oblivion. I really have no strong leanings towards any party as I'm skeptical of all of them. If I voted now I'd steer clear of Corbyn, BJ, Farage and vote Green (possibly Lib Dems) tbh. First of all we haven't had a genersl election during the lifetime of the BREXIT party. Be realistic they have existed for lesd than 6 months. Amazing progress already wouldn't you say? The political class thought they had ' no brexit' sorted out until Farage had to step in... Seems like you already have your agenda.. None of the other parties have their manifestos out ( quite rightly) yet, things change/ timing is s political decision. Farage has done a remarkable job already.. .he will be ready if necessary if there is an election. They ( We) are as we speak putting together ideas on what they are calling Direct Democracy....as an aside...Ive had something through the podt this morning I believe that thry have some new refreshing candidates, that might be a good start.....what we do know is that they will put the UK first.....and we do know clearly where they stand on the biggest issues of this generation , BREXIT and democracy and sovereignty, which is more than you can say about any other party. Consistent and clear. I didn't think that people were so scared of chsnge( I know it is risky, life is risky). The Big two class have had a monopoly for years and people don't seem hsppy. I'll link a couple of Tice's thought through when I get chance. I'm a skeptic on all fronts. If someone can list me the real life benefits of leaving the EU vs those of staying then I'll judge them fairly. At present we know what we lose by leaving, but we don't clearly know what we'll gain. 'Sovereignty, independence, democracy'.. all sound fancy and like we've been occupied for the past 40 years, but what actual difference will they make peoples daily lives? To jobs, investment, education, health, etc that they don't do already? I'm not scared of change, but I see Brexit as a hindrance to change rather than an enabler. I don't see how boxing yourself off from your closest neighbours is beneficial. The countries like US, China, etc are all out for themselves. They're not going to give the UK a better deal than the rest of the EU combined. Let's see. I hope it works out. I suppose we can Brexit now and if 5 years down the line everyone realises it was a bad idea then we can apply to rejoin
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Post by foster on Jul 11, 2019 13:36:06 GMT
No. As whether we leave or remain doesn't impact me in the slightest. I don't work for any EU institution and I only want what is best for the UK. There are things that are better in the UK and things that are better in Western Europe. I think it would be a shame not to learn from the best things in the EU and try to implement them at home. For example, the health care and pension system here in Belgium which is massively better than in the UK. I think leaving the EU and what it has to offer would be a mistake, but it's not down to me. “ There are things that are better in the UK and things that are better in Western Europe. I think it would be a shame not to learn from the best things in the EU and try to implement them at home.” I’m sure I’ve seen maps which indicate that the UK is part of Western Europe. In fact, I’m absolutely sure it is. Please don’t conflate ‘Western Europe’ and the ‘EU’. That's true, but in the context of this discussion I didn't think it would hurt anyones feelings. I actually only used 'Western' to highlight the more advanced EU countries.. as in 'Westernised world'. This would also include those in Scandinavia.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 11, 2019 13:42:17 GMT
“ There are things that are better in the UK and things that are better in Western Europe. I think it would be a shame not to learn from the best things in the EU and try to implement them at home.” I’m sure I’ve seen maps which indicate that the UK is part of Western Europe. In fact, I’m absolutely sure it is. Please don’t conflate ‘Western Europe’ and the ‘EU’. That's true, but in the context of this discussion I didn't think it would hurt anyones feelings. I actually only used 'Western' to highlight the more advanced EU countries.. as in 'Westernised world'. This would also include those in Scandinavia. Fair enough. But people confusing Europe and the EU on here make some of us very nervous/irritated/frustrated*. Not you in this case obviously though. * other adjectives are available.
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 11, 2019 13:42:19 GMT
Not true, the Brexit party are just a re-vamped UKIP. Farage has seven times attempted to be an MP and has failed every time,he is just a protest vote and nothing else.Fresh new candidates=Anne widdecombe Farages is not new and neither are his policies (assuming he has more than one)he is just a right wing tory ,which is something Im surprised anyone in Stoke can relate too never mind vote for. Think you need to look into them a bit more. You mean look into the Brexit party? At what in particular?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 11, 2019 13:43:15 GMT
I've said similar on a previous thread about almost all our ( career) politicians and political class. That's why the BREXIT party ,at the moment, is s breath of fresh air. .. the big two don't like these upstarts getting involved and having a say. BUT , I'm very much a pragmatist.. it seems like Boris is going to be the leader of the Tories and Prime minister. He's got a difficult job. He's already being undermined by those who can't accept Brexit. I am all for giving him s chance before we write him off...I like to give most people a bit of s chance first. Perhaps those 6bwant to undermine him are no better and have their own agenda. What's your practical alternative?...a GE and Corbyn with a view to Remain? .... That sounds a better prospect for the country? The Lib Dems? The Brexit party, Farage for PM ( I'd prefer this) Aside from Brexit (which BJ has also promised), what does the Brexit party have to offer? What's their take on the NHS, Education, Public services, Taxes, etc. For me, they're just a bunch of 2nd rate politicians riding on the current wave of resentment towards the government. I don't trust a single word any of them (or other politicians) say and I'm sure they would jump ship if it meant a better deal for them. BJ saw how quickly they got protest votes in the EU elections and now he's promised a leave in order to ensure the Brexit party disappears into oblivion. I really have no strong leanings towards any party as I'm skeptical of all of them. If I voted now I'd steer clear of Corbyn, BJ, Farage and vote Green (possibly Lib Dems) tbh. Disgraceful Populist policies..... ,........ Tice in the Sun........ It is no secret that the EU is a gravy train, but I assumed whoever runs the place would be smart enough not to make it too obvious. I was wrong. It is hard to imagine that the needs of British voters are remotely on their radar as they hustle for whatever suits their shareholders. The bottom line is that MEPs are just window dressing. Nothing more, nothing less. An inconvenient but necessary doff of the cap towards fig-leaf democracy. www.thesun.co.uk/news/9304815/why-we-must-quit-brussels-now/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 13:44:26 GMT
Not true, the Brexit party are just a re-vamped UKIP. Farage has seven times attempted to be an MP and has failed every time,he is just a protest vote and nothing else.Fresh new candidates=Anne widdecombe Farages is not new and neither are his policies (assuming he has more than one)he is just a right wing tory ,which is something Im surprised anyone in Stoke can relate too never mind vote for. Think you need to look into them a bit more. I Correct - people are just repeating the standard "perception" of UKIP when describing the Brexit Party. With the exception of Farage and Widdecombe almost all of their MEP's, and MP candidates have never previously been involved in politics. They are developing a whole set of policies, and have consulted the party supporters views in an online questionnaire. There is constant communication from party central and people involvement is extremely important within the party. They are finalising their list of MP candidates for future by elections and the next general election - the first 100 or so were recently introduced at the recent rally at the NEC Birmingham.
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 11, 2019 13:49:14 GMT
Think you need to look into them a bit more. I Correct - people are just repeating the standard "perception" of UKIP when describing the Brexit Party. With the exception of Farage and Widdecombe almost all of their MEP's, and MP candidates have never previously been involved in politics. They are developing a whole set of policies, and have consulted the party supporters views in an online questionnaire. There is constant communication from party central and people involvement is extremely important within the party. They are finalising their list of MP candidates for future by elections and the next general election - the first 100 or so were recently introduced at the recent rally at the NEC Birmingham. "Correct - people are just repeating the standard "perception" of UKIP when describing the Brexit Party. With the exception of Farage and Widdecombe almost all of their MEP's, and MP candidates have never previously been involved in politics. " You are nearly correct,as every single one of Brexits 14 new MEPs were former members of UKIP. And we all now what happened to the racist(UKIP)party.Yes you are correct they became the Breixt party
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Post by foster on Jul 11, 2019 14:03:51 GMT
Aside from Brexit (which BJ has also promised), what does the Brexit party have to offer? What's their take on the NHS, Education, Public services, Taxes, etc. For me, they're just a bunch of 2nd rate politicians riding on the current wave of resentment towards the government. I don't trust a single word any of them (or other politicians) say and I'm sure they would jump ship if it meant a better deal for them. BJ saw how quickly they got protest votes in the EU elections and now he's promised a leave in order to ensure the Brexit party disappears into oblivion. I really have no strong leanings towards any party as I'm skeptical of all of them. If I voted now I'd steer clear of Corbyn, BJ, Farage and vote Green (possibly Lib Dems) tbh. Disgraceful Populist policies..... ,........ Tice in the Sun........ It is no secret that the EU is a gravy train, but I assumed whoever runs the place would be smart enough not to make it too obvious. I was wrong. It is hard to imagine that the needs of British voters are remotely on their radar as they hustle for whatever suits their shareholders. The bottom line is that MEPs are just window dressing. Nothing more, nothing less. An inconvenient but necessary doff of the cap towards fig-leaf democracy. www.thesun.co.uk/news/9304815/why-we-must-quit-brussels-now/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueYou do realise that being out of the EU will probably mean sending even more politicians over to negotiate our deals and we'll have a hell of a lot more individual agreements to negotiate. It's not that by leaving the EU everyone will be staying in the UK. Rather than sending just a UK rep, we'll have to send a whole negotiating team. I agree politicians spend a fortune on travel and stupid expenses, which is something I despise. But that's something I'm sure the government could control, just like any employer. The reason they haven't is because they ALL do it, home or away, and they will continue to do it. Why are these Brexit members even in Brussels? They can surely just dial in or do a video conference. They all love wasting tax payers money for their own ego trips.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 11, 2019 14:11:38 GMT
Disgraceful Populist policies..... ,........ Tice in the Sun........ It is no secret that the EU is a gravy train, but I assumed whoever runs the place would be smart enough not to make it too obvious. I was wrong. It is hard to imagine that the needs of British voters are remotely on their radar as they hustle for whatever suits their shareholders. The bottom line is that MEPs are just window dressing. Nothing more, nothing less. An inconvenient but necessary doff of the cap towards fig-leaf democracy. www.thesun.co.uk/news/9304815/why-we-must-quit-brussels-now/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueYou do realise that being out of the EU will probably mean sending even more politicians over to negotiate our deals and we'll have a hell of a lot more individual agreements to negotiate. It's not that by leaving the EU everyone will be staying in the UK. Rather than sending just a UK rep, we'll have to send a whole negotiating team. I agree politicians spend a fortune on travel and stupid expenses, which is something I despise. But that's something I'm sure the government could control, just like any employer. The reason they haven't is because they ALL do it, home or away, and they will continue to do it. Why are these Brexit members even in Brussels? They can surely just dial in or do a video conference. They all love wasting tax payers money for their own ego trips. I've been around the EU complex many times , shown around personally by " the UK head of law" .....I think it's you who doesn't that you realise the extent of this lavishly funded monstrosity. The BREXIT members represent the UK in this unnecessary fiasco...you know elected by the Uk. You ate correct about the wreckless spending of fortunes on the project.....the Eurocrats are on a power trip... paid for by the basic rate UK tax payer The monthly transfer to Strasbourg says it all. You've put your agenda before the reality
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Post by 3putts on Jul 11, 2019 14:32:47 GMT
The purpose of the EU is ever closer union towards a political and economic union, a United States of Europe. The EU would love us to join the Euro and intend us to do so. "Plenty of independence " isn't the same as being an independent sovereign country. Ask Australia. We are laughing stocks because Remainers have meant that despite a desire to do so we have not left the EU. We look incapable of being an independent, sovereign country Out of interest and I'm not in favour of this, but would it really be such a big deal if we switched to the EURO? You would expect that over time countries evolve and adapt to the world around them. It's like a team in the Prem. You can't afford to stand still or you get left behind. Many countries in Europe have switched and they still retain their cultural identities. ...and what about switching from the Imperial to the Metric system? It's much more logical. I always thought we should have bit the bullet and joined the euro. Many predicted a collapse when Greece went bump but it has stayed buoyant. Its certainly a stronger currency than our falling £
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Post by foster on Jul 11, 2019 14:48:11 GMT
You do realise that being out of the EU will probably mean sending even more politicians over to negotiate our deals and we'll have a hell of a lot more individual agreements to negotiate. It's not that by leaving the EU everyone will be staying in the UK. Rather than sending just a UK rep, we'll have to send a whole negotiating team. I agree politicians spend a fortune on travel and stupid expenses, which is something I despise. But that's something I'm sure the government could control, just like any employer. The reason they haven't is because they ALL do it, home or away, and they will continue to do it. Why are these Brexit members even in Brussels? They can surely just dial in or do a video conference. They all love wasting tax payers money for their own ego trips. I've been around the EU complex many times , shown around personally by " the UK head of law" .....I think it's you who doesn't that you realise the extent of this lavishly funded monstrosity. The BREXIT members represent the UK in this unnecessary fiasco...you know elected by the Uk. You ate correct about the wreckless spending of fortunes on the project.....the Eurocrats are on a power trip... paid for by the basic rate UK tax payer The monthly transfer to Strasbourg says it all. You've put your agenda before the reality I do realise it as I've witnessed it here for the past 12 years. At no point have I even defended it because I know full well that the politicians spend a fortune and it's sickening. We're in agreement on that topic. I'm not sure why you think I don't realise that. Do you think I like not being able to find a parking space when I see loads of empty ones paid for and reserved for diplomats, or getting stuck in traffic because police block the roads to let politicians through, or having to pay upwards of 6 quid for a pint in a pub from my own money while the EU wankers put everything on their expenses? I have no agenda whatsoever and there are plenty of things about the EU politics that I hate. Saying that, I think you're in denial if you honestly believe all politicians (including Brexit) don't do exactly the same in or outside of the UK. If they really wanted to save money they could easily have just not gone to the parliament as a kind of protest. Instead, they chose to spend public money going there, act like kids and post a photo of a train with a speech bubble on it. It was a pure marketing stunt paid for by the UK taxpayers. There is no way any party would campaign to reduce the compensation packages for it's members. If it did that it wouldn't have any. They'll all get their 'perks of the job' elsewhere. I'm a little surprised that you've fallen for the Brexit party propaganda. Their shit stinks as much as anyone elses.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 11, 2019 14:59:07 GMT
I've been around the EU complex many times , shown around personally by " the UK head of law" .....I think it's you who doesn't that you realise the extent of this lavishly funded monstrosity. The BREXIT members represent the UK in this unnecessary fiasco...you know elected by the Uk. You ate correct about the wreckless spending of fortunes on the project.....the Eurocrats are on a power trip... paid for by the basic rate UK tax payer The monthly transfer to Strasbourg says it all. You've put your agenda before the reality I do realise it as I've witnessed it here for the past 12 years. At no point have I even defended it because I know full well that the politicians spend a fortune and it's sickening. We're in agreement on that topic. I'm not sure why you think I don't realise that. Do you think I like not being able to find a parking space when I see loads of empty ones paid for and reserved for diplomats, or getting stuck in traffic because police block the roads to let politicians through, or having to pay upwards of 6 quid for a pint in a pub from my own money while the EU wankers put everything on their expenses? I have no agenda whatsoever and there are plenty of things about the EU politics that I hate. Saying that, I think you're in denial if you honestly believe all politicians (including Brexit) don't do exactly the same in or outside of the UK. If they really wanted to save money they could easily have just not gone to the parliament as a kind of protest. Instead, they chose to spend public money going there, act like kids and post a photo of a train with a speech bubble on it. It was a pure marketing stunt paid for by the UK taxpayers. There is no way any party would campaign to reduce the compensation packages for it's members. If it did that it wouldn't have any. They'll all get their 'perks of the job' elsewhere. I'm a little surprised that you've fallen for the Brexit party propaganda. Their shit stinks as much as anyone elses. Your last sentence gives your agenda away. I've wanted BREXIT for over 10 years probably 15 and have researched it more than most. You can't be surprised because you don't know me, Im underwhelmed that you know everything about the BREXIT party, its members' policies and have little interest in the UK's relationship with the EU ( my interpretation of your attempt at a position,) I am sceptical about all politicians, last thing we want is a second layer on their ego trip in Brussels , the Hof C and especially H of L are enough for one country. BREXIT party is doing a great job for those ( the majority) who elected them...I wouldn't expect you to think som Perhaps we could meet when I am next in Brussels in September?
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Post by foster on Jul 11, 2019 15:11:45 GMT
I do realise it as I've witnessed it here for the past 12 years. At no point have I even defended it because I know full well that the politicians spend a fortune and it's sickening. We're in agreement on that topic. I'm not sure why you think I don't realise that. Do you think I like not being able to find a parking space when I see loads of empty ones paid for and reserved for diplomats, or getting stuck in traffic because police block the roads to let politicians through, or having to pay upwards of 6 quid for a pint in a pub from my own money while the EU wankers put everything on their expenses? I have no agenda whatsoever and there are plenty of things about the EU politics that I hate. Saying that, I think you're in denial if you honestly believe all politicians (including Brexit) don't do exactly the same in or outside of the UK. If they really wanted to save money they could easily have just not gone to the parliament as a kind of protest. Instead, they chose to spend public money going there, act like kids and post a photo of a train with a speech bubble on it. It was a pure marketing stunt paid for by the UK taxpayers. There is no way any party would campaign to reduce the compensation packages for it's members. If it did that it wouldn't have any. They'll all get their 'perks of the job' elsewhere. I'm a little surprised that you've fallen for the Brexit party propaganda. Their shit stinks as much as anyone elses. Your last sentence gives your agenda away. I've wanted BREXIT for over 10 years probably 15 and have researched it more than most. You can't be surprised because you don't know me, I'm overwhelmed that you know everything about the BREXIT party, its members' policies and have in-depth knowlege of the UK's relationship with the EU ( my interpretation of your well balanced and insightful position,) Perhaps we could meet when I am next in Brussels in September? I don't get this 'agenda' idea. I have an opinion, not an agenda. I haven't sided with any party in this discussion either. Saying that, if you're over in September then maybe we can go out for a drink while there's a game on. If you don't mind paying 6 quid a pint. Should probably do a 10 minute discussion on politics and the rest of the time talking about how we're supposed to be getting promoted. ps - Thanks for the compliment.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 11, 2019 15:20:09 GMT
Your last sentence gives your agenda away. I've wanted BREXIT for over 10 years probably 15 and have researched it more than most. You can't be surprised because you don't know me, I'm overwhelmed that you know everything about the BREXIT party, its members' policies and have in-depth knowlege of the UK's relationship with the EU ( my interpretation of your well balanced and insightful position,) Perhaps we could meet when I am next in Brussels in September? I don't get this 'agenda' idea. I have an opinion, not an agenda. I haven't sided with any party in this discussion either. Saying that, if you're over in September then maybe we can go out for a drink while there's a game on. If you don't mind paying 6 quid a pint. Should probably do a 10 minute discussion on politics and the rest of the time talking about how we're supposed to be getting promoted. ps - Thanks for the compliment. I'll get back to you on that and I look forward to it, Im most familiar with the St Catherine's square area. By the way the BREXIT party ARE trying to " Relieve themselves of their job/ role/ gravy train and , you may say it is a futile gesture, but Tice is giving his salary to charity....yes he can afford it, but I suppose he can't help being successful.... although that does make him a target in some people's minds
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 11, 2019 15:31:25 GMT
Aside from Brexit (which BJ has also promised), what does the Brexit party have to offer? What's their take on the NHS, Education, Public services, Taxes, etc. For me, they're just a bunch of 2nd rate politicians riding on the current wave of resentment towards the government. I don't trust a single word any of them (or other politicians) say and I'm sure they would jump ship if it meant a better deal for them. BJ saw how quickly they got protest votes in the EU elections and now he's promised a leave in order to ensure the Brexit party disappears into oblivion. I really have no strong leanings towards any party as I'm skeptical of all of them. If I voted now I'd steer clear of Corbyn, BJ, Farage and vote Green (possibly Lib Dems) tbh. First of all we haven't had a genersl election during the lifetime of the BREXIT party. Be realistic they have existed for lesd than 6 months. Amazing progress already wouldn't you say? The political class thought they had ' no brexit' sorted out until Farage had to step in... Seems like you already have your agenda.. None of the other parties have their manifestos out ( quite rightly) yet, things change/ timing is s political decision. Farage has done a remarkable job already.. .he will be ready if necessary if there is an election. They ( We) are as we speak putting together ideas on what they are calling Direct Democracy....as an aside...Ive had something through the podt this morning I believe that thry have some new refreshing candidates, that might be a good start.....what we do know is that they will put the UK first.....and we do know clearly where they stand on the biggest issues of this generation , BREXIT and democracy and sovereignty, which is more than you can say about any other party. Consistent and clear. I didn't think that people were so scared of chsnge( I know it is risky, life is risky). The Big two class have had a monopoly for years and people don't seem hsppy. I'll link a couple of Tice's thought through when I get chance. Re Tice.
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Post by eebygum on Jul 11, 2019 15:41:20 GMT
Brexit party are just an economic reet version o' t' independent group. both opportunists 'n chancers 'a' think t' grass is goan be greena 'n thee can claim victory for jumpin fra t' meeam twoa parties 'n offerin an 'alternative'.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jul 11, 2019 22:28:32 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 12, 2019 0:21:53 GMT
First of all we haven't had a genersl election during the lifetime of the BREXIT party. Be realistic they have existed for lesd than 6 months. Amazing progress already wouldn't you say? The political class thought they had ' no brexit' sorted out until Farage had to step in... Seems like you already have your agenda.. None of the other parties have their manifestos out ( quite rightly) yet, things change/ timing is s political decision. Farage has done a remarkable job already.. .he will be ready if necessary if there is an election. They ( We) are as we speak putting together ideas on what they are calling Direct Democracy....as an aside...Ive had something through the podt this morning I believe that thry have some new refreshing candidates, that might be a good start.....what we do know is that they will put the UK first.....and we do know clearly where they stand on the biggest issues of this generation , BREXIT and democracy and sovereignty, which is more than you can say about any other party. Consistent and clear. I didn't think that people were so scared of chsnge( I know it is risky, life is risky). The Big two class have had a monopoly for years and people don't seem hsppy. I'll link a couple of Tice's thought through when I get chance. Not true, the Brexit party are just a re-vamped UKIP. Farage has seven times attempted to be an MP and has failed every time,he is just a protest vote and nothing else.Fresh new candidates=Anne widdecombe Farages is not new and neither are his policies (assuming he has more than one)he is just a right wing tory ,which is something Im surprised anyone in Stoke can relate too never mind vote for. The real question is "why aren't people in Stoke flocking to Labour?".
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 12, 2019 6:45:32 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Jul 12, 2019 8:05:39 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 12, 2019 8:27:33 GMT
No-one really gives a shit about the fishing industry. It just happens to be the industry that has suffered the most under the EU - if the dildo-making industry happened to have restrictions from the EU then we'd have a board full of people complaining that they can't get a British-made Black Mamba 3.0 for love nor money.
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Post by 3putts on Jul 12, 2019 8:40:54 GMT
British waters have been over fished for years by greedy companies who built bigger boats with bigger nets to scoop every living creature out of the sea. Have you tried fishing off the North West? I remember as a kid fishing off the peirs in Blackpool and catching mackeral by the bucketful, now you would be lucky just to get a bite. As an angler it saddens me when I drive along the coast in the North West or North Wales I look and see what should be prime fishing spots but sadly you will never see anyone fishing. Maybe you should ask one of the trawler skippers why that is?
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Post by Davef on Jul 12, 2019 8:43:29 GMT
. Yet we're leaving on October 31st, unless the UK Government asks the EU for another extension (which there is no guarantee will be accepted).
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 12, 2019 8:49:42 GMT
. Yet we're leaving on October 31st, unless the UK Government asks the EU for another extension (which there is no guarantee will be accepted). There is every chance that the EU will grant an extension because it is in their interest to keep us in.
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Post by Davef on Jul 12, 2019 8:55:27 GMT
Yet we're leaving on October 31st, unless the UK Government asks the EU for another extension (which there is no guarantee will be accepted). There is every chance that the EU will grant an extension because it is in their interest to keep us in. Possibly, but that's not a case of them "not letting us just walk away" is it? There is no political will in the UK parliament to leave the EU.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 12, 2019 9:04:03 GMT
There is every chance that the EU will grant an extension because it is in their interest to keep us in. Possibly, but that's not a case of them "not letting us just walk away" is it? There is no political will in the UK parliament to leave the EU. That's right, which is why some Tories are asking for the prorogation of Parliament. But that won't happen because it would create a constitutional crisis. So you're looking at a General Election or second referendum. And the Brexit Party will split the Right Wing vote in a GE and the Liberals/Greens will split the Left Wing vote. And that means another Hung Parliament. And that could lead to a Tory/Brexit Party Government. And they would definitely leave on No-deal.
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Post by foster on Jul 12, 2019 9:27:11 GMT
. There's one thing posting informed arguments and then there's this. Where did you drag that up from? 'Pepelepew 19' The EU will collapse if we leave? Where does this deluded sense of self importance come from. The whole world, or EU in this matter, doesn't revolve around the UK. The EU are quite happy for us to walk away. The problem is the UK politicians can't accept the terms that have been negotiated. We chose to leave, but it seems we can't accept the consequences. The ball is in our governments court, not the EUs.
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Post by foster on Jul 12, 2019 9:33:21 GMT
Yet we're leaving on October 31st, unless the UK Government asks the EU for another extension (which there is no guarantee will be accepted). There is every chance that the EU will grant an extension because it is in their interest to keep us in. Considering us leaving will spell the end of days for the EU. I don't see why we don't just leave now. Saying that, I'm surprised that given the survival of the EU rests on us being a member, that we didn't strike a much better deal than the one we have that nobody accepts.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jul 12, 2019 12:25:36 GMT
British waters have been over fished for years by greedy companies who built bigger boats with bigger nets to scoop every living creature out of the sea. Have you tried fishing off the North West? I remember as a kid fishing off the peirs in Blackpool and catching mackeral by the bucketful, now you would be lucky just to get a bite. As an angler it saddens me when I drive along the coast in the North West or North Wales I look and see what should be prime fishing spots but sadly you will never see anyone fishing. Maybe you should ask one of the trawler skippers why that is? So it makes sense to carry on dumping tons of edible fish back into the sea? Environmentally friendly? 🤔 Sheer madness! IMO. What’s wrong with taking back control of our own fishing waters, have a 200 nautical mile zone around our coastline and set our OWN quotas, taking into account fish stocks. en.mercopress.com/2019/01/02/uk-fishing-industry-questions-new-impractical-eu-rules-on-quotas-and-discards........... It’s not looking good for the UK fishing industry is it? Thanks to NEW EU rules on fishing quotas. But then again who gives a shit? It’s only 0.5% of the UK’s economy
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