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Post by lordb on Dec 21, 2018 15:39:54 GMT
If Remain had won (& won narrowly) would Brexiteers have accepted the result? Come on unless there had been an overwhelmingly clear result one way or the other then whoever lost world have been bitching and screaming for evermore. This is the fundamental flaw with referendums, they rarely resolve anything. I'd imagine there'd be people saying we've made the wrong choice & will regret it, but there'd be very, very few, if any, who'd be constantly droning on about how it's now only fair that we vote on how we remain... And that in that 'What kind of Remain do you want?' vote there should be an option to Leave. I honestly think that's pure fantasy. Farage and pals would have pointed to a close result and be banging the drum for a second referendum.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 21, 2018 15:45:49 GMT
As far as I am aware the entire push for another Referendum is driven by those who voted Remain simply because they want to undermine and reverse it. I don't think anyone in the public eye ( or otherwise) is asking for another Referendum. It says it all really. Haha The Guardian that bastion of democracy . Opinion straw polls are so unreliable mate. Remember those opinion polls before the referendum? As far apart as 81% in favour of leaving to the other extreme of 67% remaining. This was in the final week of campaigning. You can make an opinion poll say anything you want to in order to drive an agenda through.
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Post by prettything on Dec 21, 2018 15:58:11 GMT
Haha The Guardian that bastion of democracy . Opinion straw polls are so unreliable mate. Remember those opinion polls before the referendum? As far apart as 81% in favour of leaving to the other extreme of 67% remaining. This was in the final week of campaigning. You can make an opinion poll say anything you want to in order to drive an agenda through. Hasn’t the Guardian been voted one of the most trustworthy newspapers in the world ?
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Post by prettything on Dec 21, 2018 16:19:55 GMT
Please indulge me.
My thoughts summed up.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 21, 2018 16:46:03 GMT
Haha The Guardian that bastion of democracy . Opinion straw polls are so unreliable mate. Remember those opinion polls before the referendum? As far apart as 81% in favour of leaving to the other extreme of 67% remaining. This was in the final week of campaigning. You can make an opinion poll say anything you want to in order to drive an agenda through. No half-decent polling company reported those figures: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum I've seen it said on here a couple of times that polls pre-Brexit reported massive leads for Reamin/Leave but I can't find any evidence of that. For sure polls have a margin of error and should be taken with a pinch of salt, but any polls reporting those sorts of results mentioned would've been laughed out of any serious conversation about polling.
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Post by Northy on Dec 21, 2018 17:05:08 GMT
Please indulge me. My thoughts summed up. what a complete load of tosh that is, starting with project Fear, basically none of the stuff happened, the mini recession, house prices falling etc. etc. He's just trying to make people who voted leave stupid, which is what the remainers have been doing for over 2 years.
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Post by prettything on Dec 21, 2018 17:25:07 GMT
Please indulge me. My thoughts summed up. what a complete load of tosh that is, starting with project Fear, basically none of the stuff happened, the mini recession, house prices falling etc. etc. He's just trying to make people who voted leave stupid, which is what the remainers have been doing for over 2 years. Thought you would say that. Apart from the pound falling off the cliff, and the UK falling from the highest growth in GDP, between the G8, nothing happened. In all seriousness, we haven’t left yet. Economists all agree,GDP will fall 10%. And we will slide into recession. I haven’t read anything that argues that won’t happen. When we leave.
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Post by prettything on Dec 21, 2018 17:26:28 GMT
“Project Fear”
No mate. Simple economics.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 18:01:15 GMT
“Project Fear” No mate. Simple economics. Even if that shit was true it makes no difference whatso ever In fact, I expected things would possibly be tough at first, as many leave voters did/do By the way, the EU ain't exactly heading for the wine and roses isle is it? The referendum was in 2016 and the result was that the UK voted to leave the European union. There will be riots if we do not now leave And rightly so. Everyone wants to have a guess that the UK is heading down the shitpan but no one wants to mention where the eu is heading
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 21, 2018 18:28:53 GMT
“Project Fear” No mate. Simple economics. Even if that shit was true it makes no difference whatso ever In fact, I expected things would possibly be tough at first, as many leave voters did/do By the way, the EU ain't exactly heading for the wine and roses isle is it? The referendum was in 2016 and the result was that the UK voted to leave the European union. There will be riots if we do not now leave And rightly so. Everyone wants to have a guess that the UK is heading down the shitpan but no one wants to mention where the eu is heading Do you think May's Withdrawal Agreement is part of the "tough at first" period?
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Post by Davef on Dec 21, 2018 18:34:05 GMT
Haha The Guardian that bastion of democracy . Opinion straw polls are so unreliable mate. Remember those opinion polls before the referendum? As far apart as 81% in favour of leaving to the other extreme of 67% remaining. This was in the final week of campaigning. You can make an opinion poll say anything you want to in order to drive an agenda through. Hasn’t the Guardian been voted one of the most trustworthy newspapers in the world ? "trustworthy" and "newspaper" really shouldn't be included in the same sentence.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 21, 2018 18:51:51 GMT
Who said anything about you getting a vote or not or you whether you are british or not, you are complaining about losing the right to work and live in Europe yet despite living outside of the UK you don't seem to want to exercise the right you feel robbed of. erm sorry mate there are plenty of comments in this thread relating to myself and others like me not having a say/vote on Brexit. As I've stated before - I don't like having something taken away from me - do you? It's irrelevant wether I am using it today - I did have plans to exercise the ability in the future. In addition though I'm sure many Leavers don't give a toss - the pure misery this had brought to 1,000s of families that comprised of different European nationalities is very sad. I'm assuming that when you emigrated to the States 30 odd years ago you didn't just fly over there, get a job and remain? I'm sure you had to meet a certain criteria to achieve that goal? I'm also sure that now you have been a resident in the States for 30 odd years you would be horrified if the USA suddenly became a 'United States of the Americas' and there was free movement between the South America and North America. American laws then became made in Montevideo. Could you ever seriously see that scenario??
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 21, 2018 18:58:51 GMT
As far as I am aware the entire push for another Referendum is driven by those who voted Remain simply because they want to undermine and reverse it. I don't think anyone in the public eye ( or otherwise) is asking for another Referendum. It says it all really. I don't want to be disrespectful but anyone who quotes Anna Soubry as a means to advancing an argument is desperate
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 21, 2018 19:08:29 GMT
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Post by prettything on Dec 21, 2018 19:14:15 GMT
Hasn’t the Guardian been voted one of the most trustworthy newspapers in the world ? "trustworthy" and "newspaper" really shouldn't be included in the same sentence. Why?
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Post by prettything on Dec 21, 2018 19:15:17 GMT
Even if that shit was true it makes no difference whatso ever In fact, I expected things would possibly be tough at first, as many leave voters did/do By the way, the EU ain't exactly heading for the wine and roses isle is it? The referendum was in 2016 and the result was that the UK voted to leave the European union. There will be riots if we do not now leave And rightly so. Everyone wants to have a guess that the UK is heading down the shitpan but no one wants to mention where the eu is heading Do you think May's Withdrawal Agreement is part of the "tough at first" period? Nah, we’re fucked either way .😂
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Post by Davef on Dec 21, 2018 19:17:51 GMT
"trustworthy" and "newspaper" really shouldn't be included in the same sentence. Why? Because newspapers aren't trustworthy!
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 21, 2018 19:37:54 GMT
what a complete load of tosh that is, starting with project Fear, basically none of the stuff happened, the mini recession, house prices falling etc. etc. He's just trying to make people who voted leave stupid, which is what the remainers have been doing for over 2 years. Thought you would say that. Apart from the pound falling off the cliff, and the UK falling from the highest growth in GDP, between the G8, nothing happened. In all seriousness, we haven’t left yet. Economists all agree,GDP will fall 10%. And we will slide into recession. I haven’t read anything that argues that won’t happen. When we leave. Fact check GDP will fall by 10% you sure about that, economists (snigger) have been saying gdp growth will be lower than remaining but not a single economist has said gdp will fall by 10% from where it is today so in reality the worst case is 4% growth instead od 4.4% or 3% instead of 3.3% etc etc etc
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 21, 2018 19:43:40 GMT
Who said anything about you getting a vote or not or you whether you are british or not, you are complaining about losing the right to work and live in Europe yet despite living outside of the UK you don't seem to want to exercise the right you feel robbed of. erm sorry mate there are plenty of comments in this thread relating to myself and others like me not having a say/vote on Brexit. As I've stated before - I don't like having something taken away from me - do you? It's irrelevant wether I am using it today - I did have plans to exercise the ability in the future. In addition though I'm sure many Leavers don't give a toss - the pure misery this had brought to 1,000s of families that comprised of different European nationalities is very sad. So the country should pay £384m a week just on the off chance you fancy working in the EU at some point in the future !?!? Any misery on eu nationals is down to the eu at least twice may offered to agree their rights to stay and the eu was more worried on their money. I see no reason anyone living here and contributing should not be able to stay as long as they want.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 21, 2018 20:00:10 GMT
In a slight perverse way I hope the MPs bottle it and end up remaining This country will become ungovernable with the rise in extremist parties both left and right
It would be a touch ironic when the avid remainers are pissing there knickers worrying about the chaos they unleashed
Remainers should be worried very worried I’m not sure they realise the anger that will be unleashed by ignoring the biggest ever vote this country has ever seen
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Post by pearo on Dec 21, 2018 20:42:50 GMT
Hasn’t the Guardian been voted one of the most trustworthy newspapers in the world ?[/quote]
According to the Guardian, Bob Monkhouse was a cult
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Post by maxplonk on Dec 21, 2018 21:00:03 GMT
I don't want to be disrespectful but anyone who quotes Anna Soubry as a means to advancing an argument is desperate I don't wish to be disrespectful either but, when someone diverts from the (simple) logic of an argument to belittle another human being, then it starts to get a bit difficult
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 21, 2018 21:01:29 GMT
I don't want to be disrespectful but anyone who quotes Anna Soubry as a means to advancing an argument is desperate I don't wish to be disrespectful either but, when someone diverts from the (simple) logic of an argument to belittle another human being, then it starts to get a bit difficult She's not human
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 21, 2018 21:21:33 GMT
I don't want to be disrespectful but anyone who quotes Anna Soubry as a means to advancing an argument is desperate I don't wish to be disrespectful either but, when someone diverts from the (simple) logic of an argument to belittle another human being, then it starts to get a bit difficult Who's belittling who?😉
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 21:38:58 GMT
Even if that shit was true it makes no difference whatso ever In fact, I expected things would possibly be tough at first, as many leave voters did/do By the way, the EU ain't exactly heading for the wine and roses isle is it? The referendum was in 2016 and the result was that the UK voted to leave the European union. There will be riots if we do not now leave And rightly so. Everyone wants to have a guess that the UK is heading down the shitpan but no one wants to mention where the eu is heading Do you think May's Withdrawal Agreement is part of the "tough at first" period? The only tough thing about that for leave voters is it's not leaving
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 21, 2018 22:10:21 GMT
Do you think May's Withdrawal Agreement is part of the "tough at first" period? The only tough thing about that for leave voters is it's not leaving As far as I'm aware there's not a single scenario in the withdrawal agreement that would see us regain/keep our membership of the EU. If we have no membership, it would mean we have left.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 22:22:18 GMT
The only tough thing about that for leave voters is it's not leaving As far as I'm aware there's not a single scenario in the withdrawal agreement that would see us regain/keep our membership of the EU. If we have no membership, it would mean we have left. 🙄
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Post by pearo on Dec 21, 2018 22:30:42 GMT
I don't wish to be disrespectful either but, when someone diverts from the (simple) logic of an argument to belittle another human being, then it starts to get a bit difficult Who's belittling who?😉 Wasn’t that Aretha Franklin?
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Post by starkiller on Dec 21, 2018 22:37:52 GMT
How can there be a new vote on something that hasn't even been attempted to be implemented?
The very idea is an affront to the democratic process and an absolute mockery.
This idea has been floated more and more to get people softened up to it. And it was mentioned from day one.
There is no way to dress it up as anything other than it is. A total disregard for the largest mandate in British History.
We are run by snakes.
And the name 'People's Vote' is classic Orwellian communist doublespeak.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 21, 2018 23:30:35 GMT
Do you think May's Withdrawal Agreement is part of the "tough at first" period? The only tough thing about that for leave voters is it's not leaving *two thirds of Leave voters
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