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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 18, 2018 16:02:13 GMT
There’s a few on here don’t want it to happen and would do or advocate someone else doing anything to stop the will of the people IF the MAY DEAL,as currently constituted, was to get through Parliament,who amongst the Brexit supporters here would accept such an end to this saga? I wouldn’t like it But if it’s a straight choice between may’s deal or remain I would choose may’s deal every time |
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Post by 4372 on Dec 18, 2018 16:07:41 GMT
That's fair enough wagastokie. I would not want to accept it either, but it is better than some of the alternative versions put forward.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2018 16:12:41 GMT
As long as we get out, I don't give a shit. The EU is a shambles, and won't last 5 years without us. People throughout Europe have seen through it. The project has ruined the continent.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 18, 2018 16:17:22 GMT
there are different ways of looking at it ( I originally put " a tit". before I edited it, about right for me I suppose!), but for me the EU are much too keen on May's " deal" Perhaps it does not really amount to Brexit? ............. The European Union stepped up pressure on Britain to approve its Brexit deal by ruling out the prospect of piecemeal negotiations on aspects of the divorce to avoid the U.K. crashing out without an agreement. If the U.K. Parliament fails to ratify the withdrawal treaty before the country’s scheduled leaving date of March 29, the EU won’t seek a “managed no-deal,” according to an EU official. Instead, it will take unilateral steps to protect its interests, putting in place a bare minimum of emergency measures, and only if the U.K. reciprocates with its own actions, the person said. Some of the plans are due to be published later this week. www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-12-17/eu-to-rule-out-managed-no-deal-as-bloc-boosts-brexit-planning?__twitter_impression=trueJust plan and prepare now for as hard a Brexit as is needed and tell them to fuck off.....they never had any intentions of doing a fair deal and our PM knew this,but capitulated. This exactly, when did we become so naive and gullible as a country? To answer my own question, probably since we surrendered our decision making to Brussels  |
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 18, 2018 16:21:24 GMT
About time, should have started 2 years ago. It was quite clear the EU were never going to concede anything to us willingly. But when the price of German cars, French food, Italian washing machines and furniture all escalate and their sales to the UK start slowing down rapidly, there will falling over themselves in the rush to do a deal. There will be a double effect of WTO duties and lower value of the pound sterling. The only thing we really depend on them for is pharmaceuticals which we need to put special arrangements in place to give priority to import. But the world's 5th and 6th biggest pharmaceutical companies are UK based and the EU are very dependent on us. |
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Post by pearo on Dec 18, 2018 16:28:49 GMT
Well hopefully 2/3's of Labour MP's will be kicked out at the next one, the fucking traitors!  Both main parties will be decimated if the electorate decide to hold them to account! You’re correct momo, but will there be any alternative? Unless some new party forms to stand on a priciple of “ Leave means Leave “ the electorate will be left with the usual choice of options. Even if there was a massive abstention of people voting, it only takes one vote cast to return an MP. |
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Post by 4372 on Dec 18, 2018 16:29:22 GMT
Funny how you describe and allude to the EU as a shambles. I led school trips to Moscow and Berlin in the late 1980s. The USSR really was a shambles from my own experience,and my brief visit to East Berlin was petrifying. I don't think you can really claim that the EU is a shambles compared to the USSR and the Warsaw Pact states
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 18, 2018 16:34:02 GMT
Could sort of understand the 'your area voted leave you should want out' stuff but think this is an issue too serious for this.
Realistically, if 62% of areas voted Leave that shouldn't mean 62% of MPs want Leave, the referendum result wasn't done constituency to constituency. And for many of the Leave areas, it's likely that the people voting in that seat for the GE probably backed Remain as a whole.
The issue is too complicated for 'we should want out'. If no deal was a disaster, or bad (As I think it will be) the blame will be put on politicians for not getting a deal.
Every option has some consequences. It's about picking the one with least.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 18, 2018 16:34:05 GMT
There’s a few on here don’t want it to happen and would do or advocate someone else doing anything to stop the will of the people “Will of the people “😂 Is it the will of the people to remain in the EU? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 18, 2018 16:34:55 GMT
The fact that the EU like May’s deal is enough for me to think it’s a crap one for the UK. They haven’t even made an attempt to say they don’t like things in it and more importantly, whilst they’ve made it clear there is no further negotiation for us, the references to our fishing waters for one suggests they haven’t finished with us yet. We will be like a tethered goat whilst the tiger comes in.Just plan and prepare now for as hard a Brexit as is needed and tell them to fuck off.....they never had any intentions of doing a fair deal and our PM knew this,but capitulated. This exactly, when did we become so naive and gullible as a country? To answer my own question, probably since we surrendered our decision making to Brussels And I believe that it would give s voice to the silent majority again , as this fella alluded to, instead of being fed project fear, as though there is no alternative. |
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Post by pearo on Dec 18, 2018 16:36:04 GMT
Funny how you describe and allude to the EU as a shambles. I led school trips to Moscow and Berlin in the late 1980s. The USSR really was a shambles from my own experience,and my brief visit to East Berlin was petrifying. I don't think you can really claim that the EU is a shambles compared to the USSR and the Warsaw Pact states Yes, but we weren’t daft enough to join the Warsaw Pact |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 18, 2018 16:44:39 GMT
Both main parties will be decimated if the electorate decide to hold them to account!  You’re correct momo, but will there be any alternative? Unless some new party forms to stand on a priciple of “ Leave means Leave “ the electorate will be left with the usual choice of options. Even if there was a massive abstention of people voting, it only takes one vote cast to return an MP. |
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Post by 4372 on Dec 18, 2018 16:46:07 GMT
Funny how you describe and allude to the EU as a shambles. I led school trips to Moscow and Berlin in the late 1980s. The USSR really was a shambles from my own experience,and my brief visit to East Berlin was petrifying. I don't think you can really claim that the EU is a shambles compared to the USSR and the Warsaw Pact states Yes, but we weren’t daft enough to join the Warsaw Pact Not sure we were ever given the chance to do so LOL. But to say the EU is a shambles, well, it cannot be compared to the USSR as Jeremy Hunt did recently. More reasoned would be to argue that our own political system is a shambles, what with an unelected Second Chamber and a Privileged Royal Family at the head. |
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 18, 2018 16:46:45 GMT
There's only one kind of brexit . Leave it behind , 100% out , no backstop no single market , no customs union . I'm tired of these people in Brussels trying to frustrate our attempts to leave . The more I see the more I'm sure the British people made the right choice There clearly isn’t/wasn’t one kind of Brexit. Maybe for you theee was. The question put to the electorate was to leave the European Union , yes or no . A straight binary choice . The majority said leave . What don't you understand? It's remarkable simple |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 18, 2018 16:47:57 GMT
Both main parties will be decimated if the electorate decide to hold them to account! You’re correct momo, but will there be any alternative? Unless some new party forms to stand on a priciple of “ Leave means Leave “ the electorate will be left with the usual choice of options. Even if there was a massive abstention of people voting, it only takes one vote cast to return an MP. If only there was a Party who's principles were 'Leave means leave'. It could call itself.. erm what about UK Independence Party? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2018 16:49:33 GMT
Funny how you describe and allude to the EU as a shambles. I led school trips to Moscow and Berlin in the late 1980s. The USSR really was a shambles from my own experience,and my brief visit to East Berlin was petrifying. I don't think you can really claim that the EU is a shambles compared to the USSR and the Warsaw Pact states Er, I didn't. It's still a shambles, though. Look around. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2018 16:50:19 GMT
Yes, but we weren’t daft enough to join the Warsaw Pact Not sure we were ever given the chance to do so LOL. But to say the EU is a shambles, well, it cannot be compared to the USSR as Jeremy Hunt did recently. More reasoned would be to argue that our own political system is a shambles, what with an unelected Second Chamber and a Privileged Royal Family at the head. All things that we could change. |
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Post by prettything on Dec 18, 2018 16:50:41 GMT
Is it the will of the people to remain in the EU? There was no will of the people, full stop. |
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Post by prettything on Dec 18, 2018 16:51:39 GMT
There clearly isn’t/wasn’t one kind of Brexit. Maybe for you theee was. The question put to the electorate was to leave the European Union , yes or no . A straight binary choice . The majority said leave . What don't you understand? It's remarkable simple So you accept Mays deal, then? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 18, 2018 16:51:41 GMT
There clearly isn’t/wasn’t one kind of Brexit. Maybe for you theee was. The question put to the electorate was to leave the European Union , yes or no . A straight binary choice . The majority said leave . What don't you understand? It's remarkable simple If we end up without a membership to leave the EU, do you believe we would have left the EU? |
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 18, 2018 16:54:01 GMT
The question put to the electorate was to leave the European Union , yes or no . A straight binary choice . The majority said leave . What don't you understand? It's remarkable simple So you accept Mays deal, then? I would accept the deal with assurance regarding the open ended backstop arrangement. Otherwise I would just leave with no deal |
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Post by yeokel on Dec 18, 2018 16:54:32 GMT
Every option has some consequences opportunities. It's about picking the one with least most. I've corrected that for you. |
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Post by henry on Dec 18, 2018 16:56:32 GMT
Excellent news, good to know we will be prepared. |
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 18, 2018 16:56:32 GMT
The question put to the electorate was to leave the European Union , yes or no . A straight binary choice . The majority said leave . What don't you understand? It's remarkable simple If we end up without a membership to leave the EU, do you believe we would have left the EU? Please clarify , not sure I get your point |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 18, 2018 17:00:17 GMT
Every option has some consequences opportunities. It's about picking the one with least most. I've corrected that for you. What are these 'opportunities'? Not one who thinks leaving the EU is end of the world, but often this "we'll do wonderfully once we're out" is based on assumptions and other shit |
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Post by prettything on Dec 18, 2018 17:00:45 GMT
So you accept Mays deal, then? I would accept the deal with assurance regarding the open ended backstop arrangement. Otherwise I would just leave with no deal It’s not that simple then is it. In fact it’s ridiculously complicated. Leaving always meant different things to different people. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2018 17:00:47 GMT
I have said it before, but it bears repetition. I honestly believe that if
Jeremy Corbyn changed his tune(again) and got behind Brexit, in any form, loads on here, and in the country would suddenly see the potential positives, in it.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 18, 2018 17:02:45 GMT
Is it the will of the people to remain in the EU? There was no will of the people, full stop. I've always believed the 'will of the people' to mean a cherished tradition of majority rule, I would appreciate your interpretation. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 17:03:56 GMT
This exactly, when did we become so naive and gullible as a country? To answer my own question, probably since we surrendered our decision making to Brussels And I believe that it would give s voice to the silent majority again , as this fella alluded to, instead of being fed project fear, as though there is no alternative. Hear hear !! I think this MP has got it spot on and is only saying what a lot of frustrated and furious Leave voters are thinking. Tell the arrogant and condescending EU what we want or they can get stuffed and they can forget our £39 billion ! I think it would certainly focus their attention somewhat. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 18, 2018 17:07:22 GMT
If we end up without a membership to leave the EU, do you believe we would have left the EU? Please clarify , not sure I get your point If at the 'end' of Brexit (whenever you could consider that to be) we do not have a membership of the EU, do you believe the binary choice of leaving the EU would have been enacted? |
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