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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 6, 2018 10:52:05 GMT
I've made no suggestion that is what I think, I've merely suggested that neither remain nor leave voter had any evidence for what they voted for in 2016. They either voted out of fear that they were told leaving would be "bad" or that they disliked being in the EU for reason "xyz". Neither of those positions are educated reasons to vote either way and in 2016 that was largely the only evidence available. My proposition is that the vote had no basis in fact, I'm not suggesting that it wasn't a binary option. I feel if the facts that are now available had been known before the referendum some people would have perhaps voted differently, people who did not vote would perhaps have made the effort to vote and the outcome would have been based on fact not promises which have been proven to be false and and the outcome would perhaps be less divisive. You mean facts like Merkel's speech in the EU Parliament asking for a "real" EU Army and deliberately wanting the word real in the text to make a point. Those kind of facts. Leave would piss another referendum. Show Merkel's call to arms on a loop, Tusk's piss taking cherry meme, Juncker stumbling around like a drunken cunt. All the UK MP's who promised to respect the referendum result who now openly call for another vote would have zero credibility. Project Fear disproved. Low unemployment, high employment, the highest amount of Foreign investment than another other EU27 country. The majority of Labour constituencies voted Leave and the majority of Conservative voters voted Leave and that hasn't changed. No one on here has changed their minds why would that be any different around the country? It's not. If every single one of the 16-18 year old's had voted in the last referendum the result wouldn't have been different. And what would be the referendum question. We don't have 'the deal' on the table. Brexit and the future hasn't been decided yet. Leave already have their slogan ready. TELL THEM AGAIN!! What would Remain's slogan be? Er.... GDP growth might be a little lower in 15 years time. Or it might not. So we might get richer a little slower than normal over then next few years. |
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Post by yeokel on Dec 6, 2018 11:14:12 GMT
I feel if the facts that are now available had been known before the referendum some people would have perhaps voted differently, people who did not vote would perhaps have made the effort to vote and the outcome would have been based on fact not promises which have been proven to be false and and the outcome would perhaps be less divisive. You mean facts like Merkel's speech in the EU Parliament asking for a "real" EU Army and deliberately wanting the word real in the text to make a point. Those kind of facts. Leave would piss another referendum. Show Merkel's call to arms on a loop, Tusk's piss taking cherry meme, Juncker stumbling around like a drunken cunt. All the UK MP's who promised to respect the referendum result who now openly call for another vote would have zero credibility. Project Fear disproved. Low unemployment, high employment, the highest amount of Foreign investment than another other EU27 country. The majority of Labour constituencies voted Leave and the majority of Conservative voters voted Leave and that hasn't changed. No one on here has changed their minds why would that be any different around the country? It's not. If every single one of the 16-18 year old's had voted in the last referendum the result wouldn't have been different. And what would be the referendum question. We don't have 'the deal' on the table. Brexit and the future hasn't been decided yet. Leave already have their slogan ready. TELL THEM AGAIN!! What would Remain's slogan be? Er.... GDP growth might be a little lower in 15 years time. Or it might not. So we might get richer a little slower than normal over then next few years. "Leave would piss another referendum" I'm not so sure about that; It would strongly depend on what question was asked. If it is a choice between May's Deal & No Deal (ie, proper Brexit) I think No Deal would win as I feel that is what most of us actually voted for, however, If we are given a choice between Leave with May's deal or Remain, I suspect that Remain would edge it due to a) Brexit voters throwing the towel in, knowing that the whole system is stacked against us so not bothering to vote and b) some wavering Brexit voters recognising that May's deal is 'Remain' under another name, so they might as well vote for the real thing. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 6, 2018 11:31:58 GMT
People’s vote this people’s vote that all we are beginning to hear is people’s vote as this is the saviour of the nation I am yet to hear one advocate of this people’s vote come out and say what will happen if the people turn round and still tell the Eu to piss off again The electorate has misbehaved once it’s not beyond reason it will do so again These so called remainers really are playing with fire They're so bloody arrogant with their incessant demands for this bloody "People's vote" (it's a sodding referendum !) - to quote Kevin Keegan "I would love it, love it" if all of us thick, racist plebs voted Leave yet again. As you say nobody has said what would happen if Remain lost again. No doubt there would be even more crying and wailing, more protest marches, and more debate leading to a third "final" vote, and if they lost that as well, what then, a fourth, fifth, who knows. The longer this has gone on the more entrenched and determined I have become that I really don't want to be part of the EU and that we should leave. If we do end up remaining in the EU my own outlook and relationship with my own country will have dramatically changed forever, which would be a terrible feeling. If these remainers are so desperate to stay in the EU that much they should bloody well bugger off and live there and allow us to leave in line with the referendum result ! Democracy - what democracy ? So if this is a "People’s Vote" who voted the first time? Our pets, some alien entities that landed enmass on the day of the referendum? If we somehow have to have a 2nd referendum then, if there is a god, "Leave" will win again. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 12:23:46 GMT
They're so bloody arrogant with their incessant demands for this bloody "People's vote" (it's a sodding referendum !) - to quote Kevin Keegan "I would love it, love it" if all of us thick, racist plebs voted Leave yet again. As you say nobody has said what would happen if Remain lost again. No doubt there would be even more crying and wailing, more protest marches, and more debate leading to a third "final" vote, and if they lost that as well, what then, a fourth, fifth, who knows. The longer this has gone on the more entrenched and determined I have become that I really don't want to be part of the EU and that we should leave. If we do end up remaining in the EU my own outlook and relationship with my own country will have dramatically changed forever, which would be a terrible feeling. If these remainers are so desperate to stay in the EU that much they should bloody well bugger off and live there and allow us to leave in line with the referendum result ! Democracy - what democracy ? So if this is a "People’s Vote" who voted the first time? Our pets, some alien entities that landed enmass on the day of the referendum? If we somehow have to have a 2nd referendum then, if there is a god, "Leave" will win again. Apparently only fruitcake and closet racists voted last time, not... "The People" If we vote correctly I'm led to believe we'll be called *the people |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2018 12:49:09 GMT
So if this is a "People’s Vote" who voted the first time? Our pets, some alien entities that landed enmass on the day of the referendum? If we somehow have to have a 2nd referendum then, if there is a god, "Leave" will win again. Apparently only fruitcake and closet racists voted last time, not... "The People" If we vote correctly I'm led to believe we'll be called *the people Sickening, isn't it? I can't believe people are falling for this shit. |
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2018 12:50:52 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2018 13:08:44 GMT
Can someone tell me why Sky have to interview people outside, with People's Vote protesters ruining every interview?
What's wrong with a studio?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 6, 2018 13:31:47 GMT
You mean facts like Merkel's speech in the EU Parliament asking for a "real" EU Army and deliberately wanting the word real in the text to make a point. Those kind of facts. Leave would piss another referendum. Show Merkel's call to arms on a loop, Tusk's piss taking cherry meme, Juncker stumbling around like a drunken cunt. All the UK MP's who promised to respect the referendum result who now openly call for another vote would have zero credibility. Project Fear disproved. Low unemployment, high employment, the highest amount of Foreign investment than another other EU27 country. The majority of Labour constituencies voted Leave and the majority of Conservative voters voted Leave and that hasn't changed. No one on here has changed their minds why would that be any different around the country? It's not. If every single one of the 16-18 year old's had voted in the last referendum the result wouldn't have been different. And what would be the referendum question. We don't have 'the deal' on the table. Brexit and the future hasn't been decided yet. Leave already have their slogan ready. TELL THEM AGAIN!! What would Remain's slogan be? Er.... GDP growth might be a little lower in 15 years time. Or it might not. So we might get richer a little slower than normal over then next few years. "Leave would piss another referendum" I'm not so sure about that; It would strongly depend on what question was asked. If it is a choice between May's Deal & No Deal (ie, proper Brexit) I think No Deal would win as I feel that is what most of us actually voted for, however, If we are given a choice between Leave with May's deal or Remain, I suspect that Remain would edge it due to a) Brexit voters throwing the towel in, knowing that the whole system is stacked against us so not bothering to vote and b) some wavering Brexit voters recognising that May's deal is 'Remain' under another name, so they might as well vote for the real thing. But May's WA isn't THE DEAL!! The future of this country and the relationship with the rest of the world and the EU hasn't been negotiated yet. May's WA will fall next Tuesday and there's no way they can put a failed piece of legislation back to the people. The Conservative membership oppose May's WA by 70%. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2018 13:34:03 GMT
What, like the protest voters(& there are many)that wanted to give the government a bloody nose/kick up the arse, were playing with fire... Before you gammons start getting your blood pressure up, about how your views haven't changed & knew what you were voting for, I know people that are now humbled & embarrassed at voting out. This $#!t is a proper mess & no worming weazley words will change that fact & no one knows where it will all end... My blood pressure is fine thakyou for your concern I also happen to know remain voters who were swayed by project fear would now vote leave The term gammon you really don’t add a thing to the debate By resorting to purile infantile insults Is it antisemitic? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 6, 2018 13:38:28 GMT
Wow. Amazing timing.
It's almost like the ECJ is trying to direct the UK Parliament when they're deciding on law making but that can't be right because Oggy said it doesn't work like that.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2018 13:43:30 GMT
Wow. Amazing timing. It's almost like the ECJ is trying to direct the UK Parliament when they're deciding on law making but that can't be right because Oggy said it doesn't work like that. Yet all the clever bastards can't see through it. We Brexiteers are the thickos! 😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 13:53:59 GMT
Wow. Amazing timing. It's almost like the ECJ is trying to direct the UK Parliament when they're deciding on law making but that can't be right because Oggy said it doesn't work like that. So even Katya Adler is saying it's all basically rigged. Both the EU and our Parliament are a complete and utter bunch of devious, deceitful, lying shits aren't they ! (Only one or two MP's (Nigel Evans, John Redwood and a couple of others) come out of this with any integrity as they have steadfastly urged the rest of these shysters to uphold the referendum result) Do we REALLY still want to be a part of the EU after this ? WE BLOODY VOTED TO LEAVE - NOT FOR PARLIAMENT TO OVERTURN THE RESULT TO SUIT THEMSELVES   |
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Post by yeokel on Dec 6, 2018 13:56:31 GMT
"Leave would piss another referendum" I'm not so sure about that; It would strongly depend on what question was asked. If it is a choice between May's Deal & No Deal (ie, proper Brexit) I think No Deal would win as I feel that is what most of us actually voted for, however, If we are given a choice between Leave with May's deal or Remain, I suspect that Remain would edge it due to a) Brexit voters throwing the towel in, knowing that the whole system is stacked against us so not bothering to vote and b) some wavering Brexit voters recognising that May's deal is 'Remain' under another name, so they might as well vote for the real thing. But May's WA isn't THE DEAL!! The future of this country and the relationship with the rest of the world and the EU hasn't been negotiated yet. May's WA will fall next Tuesday and there's no way they can put a failed piece of legislation back to the people. The Conservative membership oppose May's WA by 70%. I hear what you are saying and stand corrected. Could you call no.10 and tell that to May as she’s quoted in the Guardian today as saying “Asked if she had a plan B if her deal was voted down on Tuesday, May said: “That question is not for me, that question is for those who want to oppose this deal. The options are there: there’s a deal, no deal, or no Brexit.”” And No.11 as the Chancellor is quoted today as saying ” The idea of a last-ditch negotiation of the Brexit deal to secure a better offer from the EU is a “delusion”, the chancellor has told MPs,” MayHammondAnd, someone tell Katya Adler too as she says in the Tweet you've shown "....the day before Parliament holds its meaningful vote on the PM’s #Brexit deal". |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2018 14:07:02 GMT
Wow. Amazing timing. It's almost like the ECJ is trying to direct the UK Parliament when they're deciding on law making but that can't be right because Oggy said it doesn't work like that. So even Katya Adler is saying it's all basically rigged. Both the EU and our Parliament are a complete and utter bunch of devious, deceitful, lying shits aren't they ! (Only one or two MP's (Nigel Evans, John Redwood and a couple of others) come out of this with any integrity as they have steadfastly urged the rest of these shysters to uphold the referendum result) Do we REALLY still want to be a part of the EU after this ? WE BLOODY VOTED TO LEAVE - NOT FOR PARLIAMENT TO OVERTURN THE RESULT TO SUIT THEMSELVES BJRs earlier post with the clip of Cameron is all that is necessary to say. A promise has been broken. All the cry babies in the country can't counter that. If you voted in the referendum, or had no problem with it taking place, you have no argument. You lost. Partick has the bollocks to accept it, I suggest others follow suit. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 14:24:57 GMT
This stitch up has changed the way that I feel about my country and the people in it for ever.
I am both frustrated and furious about the way a supposedly democratic process has been completely ignored and the result, voted for by 17.4 million people, is looking extremely likely (or shall we say certain) to be overturned by 600+ (a few MP's come out of this with integrity and credit) self-centred, lying shits whi have no regard for the decision taken by their electorate.
I am absolutely disgusted at the way those that lost the referendum have continually cried, whined, wailed, protested, and have been totally unwilling to accept that they LOST !!!!!!!
I am absolutely disgusted at the way Corbyn has tried to use this for his own political gain rather than contribute for the good of the country - it shows him in his true light.
The longer this charade continues the more the EU shows itself to be more and more the sort of organisation that we voted to leave in June 2016. This latest ECJ ruling on revoking Article 50 the day before the HoC vote just confirms what a bunch of devious, deceitful and determined bastards they really are.
Hotel California it certainly is !
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 6, 2018 14:26:40 GMT
The weird thing is, May's withdrawal agreement is the first step in delivering what Cameron promised. Yet it appears to be one of the most unpopular agreements - for both MPs and the wider public it would seem - ever brought to the House of Commons.
Where we go from here - assuming the WA gets voted down, which surely it will - god only knows.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2018 14:47:37 GMT
This stitch up has changed the way that I feel about my country and the people in it for ever. I am both frustrated and furious about the way a supposedly democratic process has been completely ignored and the result, voted for by 17.4 million people, is looking extremely likely (or shall we say certain) to be overturned by 600+ (a few MP's come out of this with integrity and credit) self-centred, lying shits whi have no regard for the decision taken by their electorate. I am absolutely disgusted at the way those that lost the referendum have continually cried, whined, wailed, protested, and have been totally unwilling to accept that they LOST !!!!!!! I am absolutely disgusted at the way Corbyn has tried to use this for his own political gain rather than contribute for the good of the country - it shows him in his true light. The longer this charade continues the more the EU shows itself to be more and more the sort of organisation that we voted to leave in June 2016. This latest ECJ ruling on revoking Article 50 the day before the HoC vote just confirms what a bunch of devious, deceitful and determined bastards they really are. Hotel California it certainly is ! I feel the same. I actually think this might be the last stand of the British working class, in the same way that The Miner's Strike was the last stand of the unions. We all know what happened there. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 6, 2018 15:23:38 GMT
My blood pressure is fine thakyou for your concern I also happen to know remain voters who were swayed by project fear would now vote leave The term gammon you really don’t add a thing to the debate By resorting to purile infantile insults Is it antisemitic? That would depend if the gammon was kosher or not |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 15:58:59 GMT
What the hell is this gammon that they're referring to ?
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Post by yeokel on Dec 6, 2018 16:05:56 GMT
What the hell is this gammon that they're referring to ? I think it was Huddy who started using it on here but as he’s never had an original thought of his own in his life, I presume he’s copied it from somewhere else. But, like you, I have no idea what it means except that it seems to be some sort of attempted insult. An insult which is not understood by most people, however, seems to be a complete and utter waste of breath. A bit like Huddy, I suppose! |
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Post by prettything on Dec 6, 2018 16:11:43 GMT
Gammon is the opposite of a snowflake
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Post by prettything on Dec 6, 2018 16:12:59 GMT
They’re normally middle age or above with a racist undercurrent
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 16:17:06 GMT
It's pretty puerile then isn't it ?
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Post by yeokel on Dec 6, 2018 16:18:05 GMT
Gammon is the opposite of a snowflake Thanks. I prefer the description of "the opposite of snowflake" on Reddit.com..... "A snowflake is used as a jab at Liberals because they believe that each and every person is special and unique, destined for greatness with no effort involved. "No two snowflakes are the same" type of uniqueness. The opposite of a snowflake is a realistic human being"  |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 6, 2018 16:50:07 GMT
But May's WA isn't THE DEAL!! The future of this country and the relationship with the rest of the world and the EU hasn't been negotiated yet. May's WA will fall next Tuesday and there's no way they can put a failed piece of legislation back to the people. The Conservative membership oppose May's WA by 70%. I hear what you are saying and stand corrected. Could you call no.10 and tell that to May as she’s quoted in the Guardian today as saying “Asked if she had a plan B if her deal was voted down on Tuesday, May said: “That question is not for me, that question is for those who want to oppose this deal. The options are there: there’s a deal, no deal, or no Brexit.”” And No.11 as the Chancellor is quoted today as saying ” The idea of a last-ditch negotiation of the Brexit deal to secure a better offer from the EU is a “delusion”, the chancellor has told MPs,” MayHammondAnd, someone tell Katya Adler too as she says in the Tweet you've shown "....the day before Parliament holds its meaningful vote on the PM’s #Brexit deal". I totally understand and I'm being a little facitous but it's a massive detail ignored by the remainers/2nd ref mob. The "now we know what the deal looks like" fluffers. It's obvious the deck is stacked. May's answer to Plan B should have been NO DEAL. The legal result of the 498 votes against 114 that triggered A50. Including ALL but 47 Labour MP's. What new information have we had since then? |
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 6, 2018 17:41:16 GMT
I feel if the facts that are now available had been known before the referendum some people would have perhaps voted differently, people who did not vote would perhaps have made the effort to vote and the outcome would have been based on fact not promises which have been proven to be false and and the outcome would perhaps be less divisive. I agree but even under that premise the vote could very well been the same would you have then accepted the choice of the people In a word YES,what annoy`s me most is my sister (who has M.S.) based her leave vote solely on the promise of £350 million extra funding for the N.H.S. which was a lie, you can dress it up anyway you want but that was the implication on the red bus |
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 6, 2018 17:58:23 GMT
What the hell is this gammon that they're referring to ? Backgammon. Possibly. |
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Post by sharpy on Dec 6, 2018 18:06:59 GMT
I agree but even under that premise the vote could very well been the same would you have then accepted the choice of the people In a word YES,what annoy`s me most is my sister (who has M.S.) based her leave vote solely on the promise of £350 million extra funding for the N.H.S. which was a lie, you can dress it up anyway you want but that was the implication on the red bus It was a lie, infact its 384
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2018 18:12:50 GMT
They’re normally middle age or above with a racist undercurrent Like Jeremy Corbyn you mean Although the racism is more of a Tsunami with him than an undercurrent. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 6, 2018 18:15:50 GMT
In a word YES,what annoy`s me most is my sister (who has M.S.) based her leave vote solely on the promise of £350 million extra funding for the N.H.S. which was a lie, you can dress it up anyway you want but that was the implication on the red bus It was a lie, infact its 384
Third paragraph: ' It is expected that taxes and borrowing will rise to pay for the increase in funding, and resources will be redirected from the more than £9 billion a year the UK currently pays into the EU.' If this is proof, then they should've written: 'We send the EU 350 quid a week, lets tax you more and borrow more to fund our NHS instead' |
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