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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 29, 2018 16:57:10 GMT
Just what precisely is the point of having a TV debate when it's MP's minds May needs to change rather than the general publics. It's an exercise in complete futility. Stops a few more days whining for a peoples vote but yeah otherwise pointless although it could be funny watching Corbyn argue for his imaginary deal for brexit while May argues for an actual imaginary brexit deal..... The Prime Minister might like to explain why she's about to sign the UN Migration pact (with other European leaders..in particular Angela Merkel) that provides a Legal framework for illegal immigrants to enter the UK through the back door under the auspices of the UN On the one hand she's 'ending free movement' of EU Citizens...but on the other hand opening another door via the UN. Whilst nobodies looking...or so she thinks. Devious and duplicitous |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 17:10:06 GMT
They are trying to turn this in to May vs Corbyn (Remainer vs Remainer) rather than Brexiter vs May's 'deal'. By all means have Corbyn there too so that he has the chance to attempt to show what would be Labours alternative position and why he thinks the EU would even give him the time of day, but surely the main debate should be between May defending her 'sell out', a Brexiter who can present all the flaws in it, and a Brexiter who could defend a 'no deal' position if it comes to that? Rees Mogg would do to May and Corbs what Farage did to Clegg. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 29, 2018 17:18:50 GMT
They are trying to turn this in to May vs Corbyn (Remainer vs Remainer) rather than Brexiter vs May's 'deal'. By all means have Corbyn there too so that he has the chance to attempt to show what would be Labours alternative position and why he thinks the EU would even give him the time of day, but surely the main debate should be between May defending her 'sell out', a Brexiter who can present all the flaws in it, and a Brexiter who could defend a 'no deal' position if it comes to that? Rees Mogg would do to May and Corbs what Farage did to Clegg. Corbyn destroys anyone in a Hustings format in front of real people. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 17:33:55 GMT
Rees Mogg would do to May and Corbs what Farage did to Clegg. Corbyn destroys anyone in a Hustings format in front of real people. On Brexit? In the scenario stated? I don't think you really truly believe that... |
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Post by pearo on Nov 29, 2018 17:40:21 GMT
Rees Mogg would do to May and Corbs what Farage did to Clegg. Corbyn destroys anyone in a Hustings format in front of real people. Destroys? Strange choice of phrase, do you mean like his friends Hammas, Adams and the late McGuiness? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 29, 2018 17:50:02 GMT
Corbyn destroys anyone in a Hustings format in front of real people. Destroys? Strange choice of phrase, do you mean like his friends Hammas, Adams and the late McGuiness?  |
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Post by Gods on Nov 29, 2018 18:26:26 GMT
Just what precisely is the point of having a TV debate when it's MP's minds May needs to change rather than the general publics. It's an exercise in complete futility. The idea is she is going round the MP's direct to the public in the hope they will pressure their MP to accept her deal on the premise that while it is much worse than the very good deal we currently have inside the EU it is better than just crashing out. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 29, 2018 18:28:09 GMT
For me the issue is now not just about Brexit , or even possibly primarily about BREXIT, but is about trust in our political system and about democracy. Irrespective of your stance on Brexit in my opinion any believer in democracy should be incensed about how the political class has blatantly ignored and deceived the electorate and particularly incensed should be those who think that they advocate for the little man or woman
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 29, 2018 18:29:33 GMT
Just what precisely is the point of having a TV debate when it's MP's minds May needs to change rather than the general publics. It's an exercise in complete futility. It's setting the groundwork. Theresa May argues for her 'deal', Jezza argues for 'Remain/Second Referendum'. All MSM outlets spend the next month constantly ramming down our throats the need for a so-called People's Vote. Early next year we're set back to the voting booth with the question "What should the United Kingdom do?" 01 - Accept 'The Deal'. or 02 - Remain in The European Union. Stitch-up complete. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2018 18:38:24 GMT
For me the issue is now not just about Brexit , or even possibly primarily about BREXIT, but is about trust in our political system and about democracy. Irrespective of your stance on Brexit in my opinion any believer in democracy should be incensed about how the political class has blatantly ignored and deceived the electorate and particularly incensed should be those who think that they advocate for the little man or woman No, being "right" is the whole point, for some. What has gone on is indefensible, and I can't believe people aren't seeing it. Or even worse,they are seeing it and are OK with it. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 29, 2018 18:39:26 GMT
Just what precisely is the point of having a TV debate when it's MP's minds May needs to change rather than the general publics. It's an exercise in complete futility. It's setting the groundwork. Theresa May argues for her 'deal', Jezza argues for 'Remain/Second Referendum'. All MSM outlets spend the next month constantly ramming down our throats the need for a so-called People's Vote. Early next year we're set back to the voting booth with the question "What should the United Kingdom do?" 01 - Accept 'The Deal'. or 02 - Remain in The European Union. Stitch-up complete. You're right DC, but I am still optimistic and hopeful until the deed is done |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2018 18:41:47 GMT
Just what precisely is the point of having a TV debate when it's MP's minds May needs to change rather than the general publics. It's an exercise in complete futility. It's setting the groundwork. Theresa May argues for her 'deal', Jezza argues for 'Remain/Second Referendum'. All MSM outlets spend the next month constantly ramming down our throats the need for a so-called People's Vote. Early next year we're set back to the voting booth with the question "What should the United Kingdom do?" 01 - Accept 'The Deal'. or 02 - Remain in The European Union. Stitch-up complete. As we predicted. Utterly pathetic that the public will undoubtedly be duped into thinking this will be respecting their democratic rights. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2018 18:43:28 GMT
Destroys? Strange choice of phrase, do you mean like his friends Hammas, Adams and the late McGuiness? "Why is that bearded man sucking your cock, Mr. McGuiness?". |
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 29, 2018 19:18:05 GMT
They are trying to turn this in to May vs Corbyn (Remainer vs Remainer) rather than Brexiter vs May's 'deal'. By all means have Corbyn there too so that he has the chance to attempt to show what would be Labours alternative position and why he thinks the EU would even give him the time of day, but surely the main debate should be between May defending her 'sell out', a Brexiter who can present all the flaws in it, and a Brexiter who could defend a 'no deal' position if it comes to that? I agree. Now, if they threw Farage into the live debate.....that would make it interesting to watch both of them squirm. |
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Post by yeokel on Nov 29, 2018 19:39:51 GMT
Destroys? Strange choice of phrase, do you mean like his friends Hammas, Adams and the late McGuiness? HMQ: Although you murdered some of my family you never did quite get me, did you Mr McGuiness? MM: It’s all water under the bridge now, your majesty. HMQ: Never forget that what goes around comes around Mr McGuiness, particularly if you’ve got the right connections. . . HMQ: Goodbye Mr McGuiness. |
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Post by pearo on Nov 29, 2018 20:07:55 GMT
Destroys? Strange choice of phrase, do you mean like his friends Hammas, Adams and the late McGuiness? “ I’m sorry we murdered your uncle your Majesty, but it was all for the greater cause. Anyway Tony Blair says we are ok now and we all know how truthful he is.” |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 29, 2018 20:11:42 GMT
A Freudian slip?
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Post by 4372 on Nov 29, 2018 20:17:21 GMT
"how the political class has blatantly ignored and deceived the electorate"
Priceless, given the lies told by Farage and Boris.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 29, 2018 20:21:28 GMT
Our leader looks particularly shifty in I this clip, in my opinion / |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2018 20:27:36 GMT
"how the political class has blatantly ignored and deceived the electorate" Priceless, given the lies told by Farage and Boris. Which lies were they, then? Are you OK with the two main parties promising to honour the result of the referendum and going back on that promise? Actually, you probably are. |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 29, 2018 21:34:45 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 29, 2018 21:38:08 GMT
Totally logical.
We should have prepared for a so called " nodeal" or leaving the EU from day one and separately negotiated for a " deal" ..,.if it was achieved all well and good, if not " no deal" is fine.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 29, 2018 21:39:39 GMT
Why should he accept the coward's terms? Why doesn't she want face a large diverse audience? Answers on a postcard  Indeed momo why would May want to speak directly to younger voters, the ones this debacle will affect the most? I think we know who the real coward is, she isn't appealing to the country she is appealing to the true blue rinse brigade who she hopes will lobby/bully their Tory MP into accepting it I hope Jezza turns it into a debate on austerity, get her off script and she'll crumble And that's clearly the fucking problem, two remainers arguing party politics whilst the majority of the country look on shaking their heads wondering what the hell happened to the biggest vote in a lifetime. Politics? Fuck it. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 29, 2018 22:08:15 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Nov 29, 2018 22:08:44 GMT
Call it Britain's Got Traitors. It's a no from me.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 29, 2018 22:14:53 GMT
If I was absolutely forced to either watch a Brexit debate between Corbyn and May or an episode of I'm A Celebrity, Celebrity wins every time..
But then again I'd rather watch the weather forecast than either of them.
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 30, 2018 5:37:32 GMT
Just what precisely is the point of having a TV debate when it's MP's minds May needs to change rather than the general publics. It's an exercise in complete futility. We have a committed remainer who has promised to take us out and a lifelong Brexitere who is promising to keep us in , I can't wait 😊 |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 30, 2018 6:27:30 GMT
Just what precisely is the point of having a TV debate when it's MP's minds May needs to change rather than the general publics. It's an exercise in complete futility. We have a committed remainer who has promised to take us out and a lifelong Brexitere who is promising to keep us in , I can't wait 😊 The ludicrous state of today's politics. It's like choosing between syphilis and gonorrhoea. |
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Post by felonious on Nov 30, 2018 6:28:36 GMT
Totally logical. We should have prepared for a so called " nodeal" or leaving the EU from day one and separately negotiated for a " deal" ..,.if it was achieved all well and good, if not " no deal" is fine. This would be the Mark Carney who predicted disaster from day one only then to turn around and suggest that it was avoided only due to the intervention of the BOE. They couldn't forecast after the vote so why on earth can they forecast for the next 10/15 years. Anyway they're not "forecasts" they're "scenarios" much the same as "promises" became "aspirations" I suspect. |
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Post by felonious on Nov 30, 2018 6:32:56 GMT
Just what precisely is the point of having a TV debate when it's MP's minds May needs to change rather than the general publics. It's an exercise in complete futility. We have a committed remainer who has promised to take us out and a lifelong Brexitere who is promising to keep us in , I can't wait 😊 ...... and who says politicians don't speak with forked tongues? They should be made to answer questions entirely on the democratic deficit and why politicians of all parties are mistrusted by the public. |
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