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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2018 15:20:26 GMT
My position is we should have a referendum on May's deal, and if it is a rejection then we should have a referendum between hard and soft Brexit. Although it will be impossible to completely know all the details of what "hard" and "soft" should mean, there should be clear, detailed documents produced that give a decent outline on what a future arrangement should look like in each circumstance. If that referendum were to happen, I would almost certainly vote for a soft Brexit assuming it was outlined that this means a close relationship with the EU (which is what I think most people think of when they think of soft Brexit). I would vote this way because I believe that is the best path for the country. Is that clear? Not really Rip...I understand what a hard Brexit is but I am very unsure what Remainers now want. A "soft"Brexit doesn't mean alot in terms of the Referendum question...it wasn't mentioned before the Referendum , only since to undermine the decision. Does YOUR ideal OUTCOME now include, jurisdiction of the EU court, Free movement of people, the £39 b bill, the common agricultural, fishing policy, the proposed European Army, Political and Economic union etc....as a Brexiteer I know my position on those ( of course every detail of TRADE is not known , but a " deal" ) trade agreement is a different issue. I'm just wondering what Remainers now want. What's the vusion? Political and economic union OR a sovereign UK? My ideal outcome probably comes with all those things you mentioned. But that doesn't mean Remainers want that - my opinion doesn't reflect all Remainers any more than your opinion reflects all Leavers. If you wanted to get the opinion of all Remainers and all Leavers on the details of how we should leave the EU, then you should support a referendum on that issue - which is what I proposed. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2018 15:21:55 GMT
In this week of all weeks, it's most surprising to see a Tory fail to organise a piss up to a brewery.  As if. Unfortunately I wasn't doing the organising. I've no doubt some socialist was in charge. Proper Tory response - makes a mistake and blames socialism |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2018 15:23:38 GMT
My position is we should have a referendum on May's deal, and if it is a rejection then we should have a referendum between hard and soft Brexit. Although it will be impossible to completely know all the details of what "hard" and "soft" should mean, there should be clear, detailed documents produced that give a decent outline on what a future arrangement should look like in each circumstance. If that referendum were to happen, I would almost certainly vote for a soft Brexit assuming it was outlined that this means a close relationship with the EU (which is what I think most people think of when they think of soft Brexit). I would vote this way because I believe that is the best path for the country. Is that clear? Can't have referendum on May's deal it's too late. Next unicorn wish? So what happens if it gets voted down in the Commons? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 15:24:53 GMT
Not really Rip...I understand what a hard Brexit is but I am very unsure what Remainers now want. A "soft"Brexit doesn't mean alot in terms of the Referendum question...it wasn't mentioned before the Referendum , only since to undermine the decision. Does YOUR ideal OUTCOME now include, jurisdiction of the EU court, Free movement of people, the £39 b bill, the common agricultural, fishing policy, the proposed European Army, Political and Economic union etc....as a Brexiteer I know my position on those ( of course every detail of TRADE is not known , but a " deal" ) trade agreement is a different issue. I'm just wondering what Remainers now want. What's the vusion? Political and economic union OR a sovereign UK? My ideal outcome probably comes with all those things you mentioned. But that doesn't mean Remainers want that - my opinion doesn't reflect all Remainers any more than your opinion reflects all Leavers. If you wanted to get the opinion of all Remainers and all Leavers on the details of how we should leave the EU, then you should support a referendum on that issue - which is what I proposed. No I'm just interested in what any Remainer on the EE board now would like. Thanks for responding. I think that you are saying that you would like to be fully in...if it includes my list .. would it include the single currency, CU and SM..... some people do believe in the single currency... do you want to be fully in |
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Post by M on Nov 17, 2018 15:33:11 GMT
Can't have referendum on May's deal it's too late. Next unicorn wish? So what happens if it gets voted down in the Commons? I've just watched a short summation of the talks which are fairly accurate. We have two choices (as in Britain) we take no deal or we take the other option which is May's plan. May's plan is effectively useless and only Brexit in name as we relinquish our ability to vote on the rules we abide by (hence the colony statements). Britain don't want no deal as a whole (irrespective of the wish of some but certainly not politically as demonstrated by government) So that's where we are at. For me the outcome is one of those two unless a third option comes which would be it gets voted down (looking strong) and we have to go to the polls fucking again. The EU would permit that purely because they are very confident the result would reverse and they win and they basically shout to all other states they won't win to get out. Its more harmful to give in to us than it is to take no deal because other nations would want to pick and choose their bits.. They only lose if we take no deal which we won't do. We've lost and had it demonstrated to the world just how powerful we actually are. It doesn't matter if we want something different those are the only options I see right now... |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2018 16:10:02 GMT
My ideal outcome probably comes with all those things you mentioned. But that doesn't mean Remainers want that - my opinion doesn't reflect all Remainers any more than your opinion reflects all Leavers. If you wanted to get the opinion of all Remainers and all Leavers on the details of how we should leave the EU, then you should support a referendum on that issue - which is what I proposed. No I'm just interested in what any Remainer on the EE board now would like. Thanks for responding. I think that you are saying that you would like to be fully in...if it includes my list .. would it include the single currency, CU and SM..... some people do believe in the single currency... do you want to be fully in My ideal outcome would've been that we voted to remain, but we didn't. So my ideal outcome given the situation we're in today would be to be out of the EU but closely aligned. So not "fully in" , in fact not even "in". |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 17, 2018 16:22:58 GMT
No I'm just interested in what any Remainer on the EE board now would like. Thanks for responding. I think that you are saying that you would like to be fully in...if it includes my list .. would it include the single currency, CU and SM..... some people do believe in the single currency... do you want to be fully in My ideal outcome would've been that we voted to remain, but we didn't. So my ideal outcome given the situation we're in today would be to be out of the EU but closely aligned. So not "fully in" , in fact not even "in". Are you Mickey Flanagan in reverse? 😜 |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2018 16:25:39 GMT
My ideal outcome would've been that we voted to remain, but we didn't. So my ideal outcome given the situation we're in today would be to be out of the EU but closely aligned. So not "fully in" , in fact not even "in". Are you Mickey Flanagan in reverse? 😜 Apart from looking nothing like him, I'm afraid that comment is lost on me  |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 17, 2018 16:29:17 GMT
Are you Mickey Flanagan in reverse? 😜 Apart from looking nothing like him, I'm afraid that comment is lost on me He did a joke about being "out", but not "out, out", like when you go out for a couple of drinks,but not a full on piss up. A bit like May's deal, really. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2018 16:35:56 GMT
Apart from looking nothing like him, I'm afraid that comment is lost on me He did a joke about being "out", but not "out, out", like when you go out for a couple of drinks,but not a full on piss up. A bit like May's deal, really. Haha. OK, got ya. Then yeah, accidentally I was getting very close to that joke! |
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 17, 2018 17:18:58 GMT
So your position is that we should negotiate s relationship with the EU? I am asking what you would like to see at the end of the negotiation,? My position is we should have a referendum on May's deal, and if it is a rejection then we should have a referendum between hard and soft Brexit. Although it will be impossible to completely know all the details of what "hard" and "soft" should mean, there should be clear, detailed documents produced that give a decent outline on what a future arrangement should look like in each circumstance. If that referendum were to happen, I would almost certainly vote for a soft Brexit assuming it was outlined that this means a close relationship with the EU (which is what I think most people think of when they think of soft Brexit). I would vote this way because I believe that is the best path for the country. Is that clear? If you think the people struggled to understand the details between 'leave the EU' and 'Remain in the EU' imagine the confusion of asking them to choose between a 'soft' brexit and a 'hard' brexit!! |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 17, 2018 17:37:12 GMT
There is "still the potential to improve" the draft Brexit deal, Commons leader Andrea Leadsom has said.
While she backed Prime Minister Theresa May's efforts to get the "best possible deal", she warned the UK could not be "trapped" in an EU customs union. [BBC]
But then throw in:
Over in the Republic of Ireland, the governing Fine Gael party's own "confidence and supply" arrangement with Fianna Fail is in doubt.
Prime Minister Leo Varadkar wants Fianna Fail to support his minority government for a further two years - but Fianna Fail leader Micheal Martin wants a comprehensive review of the pact before he signs up for more.
Deputy PM Simon Coveney said Fine Gael is not taking the outcome to the current negotiations with Fianna Fail for granted - and described the party as "election ready".
However, Mr Varadkar was keen to play that down: "With the uncertainty that exists at the moment, particularly around Brexit, the focus of the government has to be on that rather than on elections."
So, if Varadkar's minority administration falls will that take sufficient pressure off the EU from Eire to re-examine the backstop? Just a thought.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 17:38:48 GMT
No I'm just interested in what any Remainer on the EE board now would like. Thanks for responding. I think that you are saying that you would like to be fully in...if it includes my list .. would it include the single currency, CU and SM..... some people do believe in the single currency... do you want to be fully in My ideal outcome would've been that we voted to remain, but we didn't. So my ideal outcome given the situation we're in today would be to be out of the EU but closely aligned. So not "fully in" , in fact not even "in". Rip I was wrong about the MEPs not being able to criticise the EU, it is the Commissioners, even after they have left. see below. Here is the text they solemnly swear before the European Court of Justice: SOLEMN DECLARATION Before the COURT OF JUSTICE OF THE EUROPEAN UNION pursuant to Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union and Article 245 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. "Having been appointed as a Member of the European Commission by the European Council, following the vote of consent by the European Parliament I solemnly undertake: to respect the Treaties and the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union in the fulfilment of all my duties; to be completely independent in carrying out my responsibilities, in the general interest of the Union; in the performance of my tasks, neither to seek nor to take instructions from any Government or from any other institution, body, office or entity; to refrain from any action incompatible with my duties or the performance of my tasks. I formally note the undertaking of each Member State to respect this principle and not to seek to influence Members of the Commission in the performance of their tasks. I further undertake to respect, both during and after my term of office, the obligation arising therefrom, and in particular the duty to behave with integrity and discretion as regards the acceptance, after I have ceased to hold office, of certain appointments or benefits." en.euabc.com/word/2117 |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 17:44:54 GMT
No I'm just interested in what any Remainer on the EE board now would like. Thanks for responding. I think that you are saying that you would like to be fully in...if it includes my list .. would it include the single currency, CU and SM..... some people do believe in the single currency... do you want to be fully in My ideal outcome would've been that we voted to remain, but we didn't. So my ideal outcome given the situation we're in today would be to be out of the EU but closely aligned. So not "fully in" , in fact not even "in". It sounds like you support May's transition period but as permanent.... supposedly " out' but closely aligned ....in fact so closeyou could almost call it "in".... |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2018 17:54:41 GMT
My ideal outcome would've been that we voted to remain, but we didn't. So my ideal outcome given the situation we're in today would be to be out of the EU but closely aligned. So not "fully in" , in fact not even "in". It sounds like you support May's transition period but as permanent.... supposedly " out' but closely aligned ....in fact so closeyou could almost call it "in".... The important part being that we wouldn't actually be "in", we'd be "out". "Shaking it all about" would be optional  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2018 17:56:01 GMT
My ideal outcome would've been that we voted to remain, but we didn't. So my ideal outcome given the situation we're in today would be to be out of the EU but closely aligned. So not "fully in" , in fact not even "in". Rip I was wrong about the MEPs not being able to criticise the EU, it is the Commissioners, even after they have left. see below. Here is the text they solemnly swear before the European Court of Justice: SOLEMN DECLARATION Before the COURT OF JUSTICE OF THE EUROPEAN UNION pursuant to Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union and Article 245 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. "Having been appointed as a Member of the European Commission by the European Council, following the vote of consent by the European Parliament I solemnly undertake: to respect the Treaties and the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union in the fulfilment of all my duties; to be completely independent in carrying out my responsibilities, in the general interest of the Union; in the performance of my tasks, neither to seek nor to take instructions from any Government or from any other institution, body, office or entity; to refrain from any action incompatible with my duties or the performance of my tasks. I formally note the undertaking of each Member State to respect this principle and not to seek to influence Members of the Commission in the performance of their tasks. I further undertake to respect, both during and after my term of office, the obligation arising therefrom, and in particular the duty to behave with integrity and discretion as regards the acceptance, after I have ceased to hold office, of certain appointments or benefits." en.euabc.com/word/2117Which part says they can't criticise? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 17:59:51 GMT
Rip I was wrong about the MEPs not being able to criticise the EU, it is the Commissioners, even after they have left. see below. Here is the text they solemnly swear before the European Court of Justice: SOLEMN DECLARATION Before the COURT OF JUSTICE OF THE EUROPEAN UNION pursuant to Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union and Article 245 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. "Having been appointed as a Member of the European Commission by the European Council, following the vote of consent by the European Parliament I solemnly undertake: to respect the Treaties and the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union in the fulfilment of all my duties; to be completely independent in carrying out my responsibilities, in the general interest of the Union; in the performance of my tasks, neither to seek nor to take instructions from any Government or from any other institution, body, office or entity; to refrain from any action incompatible with my duties or the performance of my tasks. I formally note the undertaking of each Member State to respect this principle and not to seek to influence Members of the Commission in the performance of their tasks. I further undertake to respect, both during and after my term of office, the obligation arising therefrom, and in particular the duty to behave with integrity and discretion as regards the acceptance, after I have ceased to hold office, of certain appointments or benefits." en.euabc.com/word/2117Which part says they can't criticise? I know that that is how it has been interpreted , if you read it carefully... without searching the internet again I can't give you a specific example but I can remember it coming up as an issue a while back |
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Post by Northy on Nov 17, 2018 18:18:08 GMT
1930's German socialist party?
Check out @_BrexitTory’s Tweet:
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 17, 2018 18:18:36 GMT
My ideal outcome probably comes with all those things you mentioned. But that doesn't mean Remainers want that - my opinion doesn't reflect all Remainers any more than your opinion reflects all Leavers. If you wanted to get the opinion of all Remainers and all Leavers on the details of how we should leave the EU, then you should support a referendum on that issue - which is what I proposed. No I'm just interested in what any Remainer on the EE board now would like. Thanks for responding. I think that you are saying that you would like to be fully in...if it includes my list .. would it include the single currency, CU and SM..... some people do believe in the single currency... do you want to be fully in EEA membership, like Norway. Obviously i’d prefer not to leave at all, but if we must, i’d prioritise the economy over immigration personally. This notion of sovereignty is, in my view, the biggest red herring, as no nation is sovereign in this modern world and ironically I think leaving the EU will make us less sovereign as we will have to follow their rules without a say to export there, unless we plan to massively reduce exports to the EU. I am very interested to know what you would like to happen? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 18:29:24 GMT
No I'm just interested in what any Remainer on the EE board now would like. Thanks for responding. I think that you are saying that you would like to be fully in...if it includes my list .. would it include the single currency, CU and SM..... some people do believe in the single currency... do you want to be fully in EEA membership, like Norway. Obviously i’d prefer not to leave at all, but if we must, i’d prioritise the economy over immigration personally. This notion of sovereignty is, in my view, the biggest red herring, as no nation is sovereign in this modern world and ironically I think leaving the EU will make us less sovereign as we will have to follow their rules without a say to export there, unless we plan to massively reduce exports to the EU. I am very interested to know what you would like to happen? BREXIT, Not a member of the CU,SM, no jurisdiction of the EU court. Control of borders, Money, Foreign policy, Agricultural policy, Fishing policy ...all policies. Then , if possible s trade deal that doesn't infringe on the above. Australia or New Zealand ( in relation to the EU) would be my model. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 18:31:48 GMT
Rip I was wrong about the MEPs not being able to criticise the EU, it is the Commissioners, even after they have left. see below. Here is the text they solemnly swear before the European Court of Justice: SOLEMN DECLARATION Before the COURT OF JUSTICE OF THE EUROPEAN UNION pursuant to Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union and Article 245 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. "Having been appointed as a Member of the European Commission by the European Council, following the vote of consent by the European Parliament I solemnly undertake: to respect the Treaties and the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union in the fulfilment of all my duties; to be completely independent in carrying out my responsibilities, in the general interest of the Union; in the performance of my tasks, neither to seek nor to take instructions from any Government or from any other institution, body, office or entity; to refrain from any action incompatible with my duties or the performance of my tasks. I formally note the undertaking of each Member State to respect this principle and not to seek to influence Members of the Commission in the performance of their tasks. I further undertake to respect, both during and after my term of office, the obligation arising therefrom, and in particular the duty to behave with integrity and discretion as regards the acceptance, after I have ceased to hold office, of certain appointments or benefits." en.euabc.com/word/2117Which part says they can't criticise? Its in here Rip , It depends upon how you intrrprete the words, but I know it doesn't allow criticism.....by default the Commissioner s would not want to criticise anyway "Code of Conduct for the Members of the European Commission" I can't give you the link, its s pdf. Article two (4) Members shall act collegially and assume collective responsibility for any decision taken by the Commission. (5) Members shall respect the dignity of their office and shall not act or express themselves, through whatever medium, in a manner which adversely affects the public perception of their independence, their integrity or the dignity of their office. Members shall comply with the duty of loyalty towards the Commission and discretion in discharging their duties. They shall act and express themselves with the restraint that their office requires. and; In the 2 years after they leave office, former Commissioners are required to request Commission approval of their new occupations. ec.europa.eu/info/about-european-commission/service-standards-and-principles/codes-conduct/ethics-and-integrity-eu-commissioners/rules-commissioners-regarding-ethics-and-integrity_en |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 17, 2018 18:35:54 GMT
No I'm just interested in what any Remainer on the EE board now would like. Thanks for responding. I think that you are saying that you would like to be fully in...if it includes my list .. would it include the single currency, CU and SM..... some people do believe in the single currency... do you want to be fully in EEA membership, like Norway. Obviously i’d prefer not to leave at all, but if we must, i’d prioritise the economy over immigration personally. This notion of sovereignty is, in my view, the biggest red herring, as no nation is sovereign in this modern world and ironically I think leaving the EU will make us less sovereign as we will have to follow their rules without a say to export there, unless we plan to massively reduce exports to the EU. I am very interested to know what you would like to happen? You're stood down from the EU Army. Macron has filled it up with a quarter of a million petrol protesters.  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2018 18:52:19 GMT
Which part says they can't criticise? Its in here Rip , It depends upon how you intrrprete the words, but I know it doesn't allow criticism.....by default the Commissioner s would not want to criticise anyway "Code of Conduct for the Members of the European Commission" I can't give you the link, its s pdf. Article two (4) Members shall act collegially and assume collective responsibility for any decision taken by the Commission. (5) Members shall respect the dignity of their office and shall not act or express themselves, through whatever medium, in a manner which adversely affects the public perception of their independence, their integrity or the dignity of their office. Members shall comply with the duty of loyalty towards the Commission and discretion in discharging their duties. They shall act and express themselves with the restraint that their office requires. and; In the 2 years after they leave office, former Commissioners are required to request Commission approval of their new occupations. ec.europa.eu/info/about-european-commission/service-standards-and-principles/codes-conduct/ethics-and-integrity-eu-commissioners/rules-commissioners-regarding-ethics-and-integrity_enI don't see anything in there that I wouldn't expect in your average public servants contract, although the two year thing is a bit draconian. I'd be surprised if something similar doesn't exist for offices in the UK government, such as Speaker of the Commons etc, and in most countries in the world. Certainly it's not dissimilar to the type of text the POTUS has to read when they are sworn in. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 17, 2018 18:52:40 GMT
EEA membership, like Norway. Obviously i’d prefer not to leave at all, but if we must, i’d prioritise the economy over immigration personally. This notion of sovereignty is, in my view, the biggest red herring, as no nation is sovereign in this modern world and ironically I think leaving the EU will make us less sovereign as we will have to follow their rules without a say to export there, unless we plan to massively reduce exports to the EU. I am very interested to know what you would like to happen? You're stood down from the EU Army. Macron has filled it up with a quarter of a million petrol protesters. Despite Brexit? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 19:22:06 GMT
Its in here Rip , It depends upon how you intrrprete the words, but I know it doesn't allow criticism.....by default the Commissioner s would not want to criticise anyway "Code of Conduct for the Members of the European Commission" I can't give you the link, its s pdf. Article two (4) Members shall act collegially and assume collective responsibility for any decision taken by the Commission. (5) Members shall respect the dignity of their office and shall not act or express themselves, through whatever medium, in a manner which adversely affects the public perception of their independence, their integrity or the dignity of their office. Members shall comply with the duty of loyalty towards the Commission and discretion in discharging their duties. They shall act and express themselves with the restraint that their office requires. and; In the 2 years after they leave office, former Commissioners are required to request Commission approval of their new occupations. ec.europa.eu/info/about-european-commission/service-standards-and-principles/codes-conduct/ethics-and-integrity-eu-commissioners/rules-commissioners-regarding-ethics-and-integrity_enI don't see anything in there that I wouldn't expect in your average public servants contract, although the two year thing is a bit draconian. I'd be surprised if something similar doesn't exist for offices in the UK government, such as Speaker of the Commons etc, and in most countries in the world. Certainly it's not dissimilar to the type of text the POTUS has to read when they are sworn in. I don't think it is quite the same, Particularly with it being a sworn oath.....I do recall it being used to censure....and don't forget that the EU isn't a country (as in your comparison) , it's a trading block...so we are led to believe |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 17, 2018 20:35:01 GMT
EEA membership, like Norway. Obviously i’d prefer not to leave at all, but if we must, i’d prioritise the economy over immigration personally. This notion of sovereignty is, in my view, the biggest red herring, as no nation is sovereign in this modern world and ironically I think leaving the EU will make us less sovereign as we will have to follow their rules without a say to export there, unless we plan to massively reduce exports to the EU. I am very interested to know what you would like to happen? BREXIT, Not a member of the CU,SM, no jurisdiction of the EU court. Control of borders, Money, Foreign policy, Agricultural policy, Fishing policy ...all policies. Then , if possible s trade deal that doesn't infringe on the above. Australia or New Zealand ( in relation to the EU) would be my model. And until that trade deal is struck (let’s say 5 years if we are optimistic but obviously many of the things you say “control” over would likely form part of that trade agreement so a level of control will be lost on them to strike the deal most likely), what do you think should happen? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 17, 2018 20:35:06 GMT
Can't have referendum on May's deal it's too late. Next unicorn wish? So what happens if it gets voted down in the Commons? Leaving the EU on the 29th March is primacy legislation and enshrined in International Law. In the absence of an agreed deal we leave without a deal. No Deal/WTO/Clean Brexit call it what you like. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 17, 2018 20:49:45 GMT
The EU's Withdrawal Deal pop quiz.
The UK agrees not to prosecute EU employees who are, or who might be deemed in future, criminals.
True or false?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 21:00:12 GMT
BREXIT, Not a member of the CU,SM, no jurisdiction of the EU court. Control of borders, Money, Foreign policy, Agricultural policy, Fishing policy ...all policies. Then , if possible s trade deal that doesn't infringe on the above. Australia or New Zealand ( in relation to the EU) would be my model. And until that trade deal is struck (let’s say 5 years if we are optimistic but obviously many of the things you say “control” over would likely form part of that trade agreement so a level of control will be lost on them to strike the deal most likely), what do you think should happen? Given how things have gone, since eEU has not negotiated in good faith and May is a deceitful Remainer then we should have planned for a no deal Brexit from the outset. The Referendum was about democracy and Sovereignty, being in or out of the EU. A deal is another matter. So given where we are now we should leave with no deal, so presumably under WTO rules. And no I don't have all the answers to that effect Northern Ireland...but to deliver BREXIT as fully as possible I would listen / implement those who seem to have the answer by means of technology and try, if it is necessary, to improve the border issues as we move on. The Irish issue should not prevent Brexit. My question that started this part of the debate was about pragmatic practicalities....what would you like to see NOW given we are where we are..... clearly for me that's BREXIT... leaving without a deal. We have not got time to renegotiate s " Norway" style deal. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 21:10:13 GMT
Just a quick reminder of one of our leaders/ spokesmen if we Remain in the Union
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