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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 16, 2018 21:37:18 GMT
It would/will be interesting too see that if we went/go to a second vote what would be on offer from the EU. After all the consensus is give the decision back to the people now they know the deal, but has anyone thought to ask the EU for a counter deal? It’s obvious they don’t want us to leave, hence the hardball tactics, so, make us an offer. The Tory Brexiteers would probably threaten May with the sack for letting the EU provide an option on the ballot paper. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 16, 2018 23:32:36 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Nov 17, 2018 6:34:28 GMT
Remainers moves are clear as glass. Arrange a deal so bad that they can get their second referendum. The idea of a second referendum was talked about from the day of the result, as folk from the BBC sat in black clothes in mourning. The footage is available. Don't let Soros toads like Campbell fool you to think that a second referendum is an idea that resulted from poor negotiations. It was always the globalist's plan from day one, and therefore should resisted no matter what.
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Post by M on Nov 17, 2018 7:01:47 GMT
Remainers moves are clear as glass. Arrange a deal so bad that they can get their second referendum. The idea of a second referendum was talked about from the day of the result, as folk from the BBC sat in black clothes in mourning. The footage is available. Don't let Soros toads like Campbell fool you to think that a second referendum is an idea that resulted from poor negotiations. It was always the elite's plan from day one, and therefore should resisted no matter what. I think it was Farage who started the talk of a second referendum in the early hours, looking defeated and convinced leave had lost he declared that unless there was a 2/3 majority there should be another referendum. Quickly from this moment a leave supporter started the first msin petition for a second referendum. A few hours later a different result landed. Nobody on the leave side wanted talk about another referendum then... But you rewrite history as you feel.. |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2018 7:22:26 GMT
Remainers moves are clear as glass. Arrange a deal so bad that they can get their second referendum. The idea of a second referendum was talked about from the day of the result, as folk from the BBC sat in black clothes in mourning. The footage is available. Don't let Soros toads like Campbell fool you to think that a second referendum is an idea that resulted from poor negotiations. It was always the elite's plan from day one, and therefore should resisted no matter what. I think it was Farage who started the talk of a second referendum in the early hours, looking defeated and convinced leave had lost he declared that unless there was a 2/3 majority there should be another referendum. Quickly from this moment a leave supporter started the first msin petition for a second referendum. A few hours later a different result landed. Nobody on the leave side wanted talk about another referendum then... But you rewrite history as you feel.. They're all the same. The SNP have been banging on about indyref2 since they lost the first referendum back in 2014. Once in a generation (that became once in a lifetime) becomes one else every few years. And why would we expect any difference. |
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Post by starkiller on Nov 17, 2018 7:26:56 GMT
Remainers moves are clear as glass. Arrange a deal so bad that they can get their second referendum. The idea of a second referendum was talked about from the day of the result, as folk from the BBC sat in black clothes in mourning. The footage is available. Don't let Soros toads like Campbell fool you to think that a second referendum is an idea that resulted from poor negotiations. It was always the elite's plan from day one, and therefore should resisted no matter what. I think it was Farage who started the talk of a second referendum in the early hours, looking defeated and convinced leave had lost he declared that unless there was a 2/3 majority there should be another referendum. Quickly from this moment a leave supporter started the first msin petition for a second referendum. A few hours later a different result landed. Nobody on the leave side wanted talk about another referendum then... But you rewrite history as you feel.. A slight difference than a globalist backed plan for a second referendum. Any other referendum should be between May's plan or no deal. Two choices. You cannot reverse a decision that has not been implemented. Brexit was voted for and needs to be implemented. |
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Post by M on Nov 17, 2018 7:35:07 GMT
I think it was Farage who started the talk of a second referendum in the early hours, looking defeated and convinced leave had lost he declared that unless there was a 2/3 majority there should be another referendum. Quickly from this moment a leave supporter started the first msin petition for a second referendum. A few hours later a different result landed. Nobody on the leave side wanted talk about another referendum then... But you rewrite history as you feel.. A slight difference than a globalist backed plan for a second referendum. Any other referendum should be between May's plan or no deal. Two choices. You cannot reverse a decision that has not been implemented. Brexit was voted for and needs to be implemented. But Farage live on TV hours before the conclusion and a leave supporter who started the petioin said otherwise...... But the consistent message I keep getting told by a small minority of staunchly leave supporters is that everyone knew what they were voting for when talking about leaving the single market etc. Now regardless of me agreeing with that or not, if that statement is true and everyone did know what they were voting for then this deal on offer isn't what was voted for. Just like the general election manifesto of the Tories saying we will leave the single market, this deal again isn't what people voted for. Therefore the question posed wasn't valid so to suggest that anyone can't demand another question is rediculous. |
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 17, 2018 7:58:45 GMT
A slight difference than a globalist backed plan for a second referendum. Any other referendum should be between May's plan or no deal. Two choices. You cannot reverse a decision that has not been implemented. Brexit was voted for and needs to be implemented. But Farage live on TV hours before the conclusion and a leave supporter who started the petioin said otherwise...... But the consistent message I keep getting told by a small minority of staunchly leave supporters is that everyone knew what they were voting for when talking about leaving the single market etc. Now regardless of me agreeing with that or not, if that statement is true and everyone did know what they were voting for then this deal on offer isn't what was voted for. Just like the general election manifesto of the Tories saying we will leave the single market, this deal again isn't what people voted for. Therefore the question posed wasn't valid so to suggest that anyone can't demand another question is rediculous. A little scenario, you are a family of 5 who spend most evenings together in the lounge watching t.v. which means the seating takes a pounding,to cope with this you buy your suites on a pay monthly plan over five years which is the most they will last. Your choice of suite is functional with no luxury (what you can afford) on your renewal date your salesman offers you a leather,reclining suite with massage built in and all this comes at a lower cost than you normally pay meaning you have money to spare elsewhere,maybe better health care for our family.When renewal date arrives your suite is not leather has no massage facility and in fact looks like a worn out version of your old suite and the salesman informs you it will cost you more money would you not want recourse? To perhaps pick a different offer or stick with your old suite,not perfect but functional and where you have spent many happy days. |
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Post by starkiller on Nov 17, 2018 8:06:48 GMT
A slight difference than a globalist backed plan for a second referendum. Any other referendum should be between May's plan or no deal. Two choices. You cannot reverse a decision that has not been implemented. Brexit was voted for and needs to be implemented. But Farage live on TV hours before the conclusion and a leave supporter who started the petioin said otherwise...... But the consistent message I keep getting told by a small minority of staunchly leave supporters is that everyone knew what they were voting for when talking about leaving the single market etc. Now regardless of me agreeing with that or not, if that statement is true and everyone did know what they were voting for then this deal on offer isn't what was voted for. Just like the general election manifesto of the Tories saying we will leave the single market, this deal again isn't what people voted for. Therefore the question posed wasn't valid so to suggest that anyone can't demand another question is rediculous. We are already in EU, and have now decided to leave. That has been decided and needs to implemented. No referendum should have any choice of remaining. What right is there not to honour that vote? And if that vote is not honoured, why should any subsequent vote on the same question be honoured? Answers please. Brexit was leaving completely. May's deal isn't. If that despicable scumbag Campbell wants another vote, it's May's deal or no deal? Leaving has been decided. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Nov 17, 2018 8:09:57 GMT
But Farage live on TV hours before the conclusion and a leave supporter who started the petioin said otherwise...... But the consistent message I keep getting told by a small minority of staunchly leave supporters is that everyone knew what they were voting for when talking about leaving the single market etc. Now regardless of me agreeing with that or not, if that statement is true and everyone did know what they were voting for then this deal on offer isn't what was voted for. Just like the general election manifesto of the Tories saying we will leave the single market, this deal again isn't what people voted for. Therefore the question posed wasn't valid so to suggest that anyone can't demand another question is rediculous. A little scenario, you are a family of 5 who spend most evenings together in the lounge watching t.v. which means the seating takes a pounding,to cope with this you buy your suites on a pay monthly plan over five years which is the most they will last. Your choice of suite is functional with no luxury (what you can afford) on your renewal date your salesman offers you a leather,reclining suite with massage built in and all this comes at a lower cost than you normally pay meaning you have money to spare elsewhere,maybe better health care for our family.When renewal date arrives your suite is not leather has no massage facility and in fact looks like a worn out version of your old suite and the salesman informs you it will cost you more money would you not want recourse? To perhaps pick a different offer or stick with your old suite,not perfect but functional and where you have spent many happy days. Cool story bro. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Nov 17, 2018 8:18:12 GMT
But Farage live on TV hours before the conclusion and a leave supporter who started the petioin said otherwise...... But the consistent message I keep getting told by a small minority of staunchly leave supporters is that everyone knew what they were voting for when talking about leaving the single market etc. Now regardless of me agreeing with that or not, if that statement is true and everyone did know what they were voting for then this deal on offer isn't what was voted for. Just like the general election manifesto of the Tories saying we will leave the single market, this deal again isn't what people voted for. Therefore the question posed wasn't valid so to suggest that anyone can't demand another question is rediculous. We are already in EU, and have now decided to leave. That has been decided and needs to implemented. No referendum should have any choice of remaining. What right is there not to honour that vote? And if that vote is not honoured, why should any subsequent vote on the same question be honoured? Answers please. Brexit was leaving completely. May's deal isn't. If that despicable scumbag Campbell wants another vote, it's May's deal or no deal? Leaving has been decided. You won't get it through to the thick twats, their cowardice overrides their understanding of what democracy means. |
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Post by pearo on Nov 17, 2018 8:20:17 GMT
But Farage live on TV hours before the conclusion and a leave supporter who started the petioin said otherwise...... But the consistent message I keep getting told by a small minority of staunchly leave supporters is that everyone knew what they were voting for when talking about leaving the single market etc. Now regardless of me agreeing with that or not, if that statement is true and everyone did know what they were voting for then this deal on offer isn't what was voted for. Just like the general election manifesto of the Tories saying we will leave the single market, this deal again isn't what people voted for. Therefore the question posed wasn't valid so to suggest that anyone can't demand another question is rediculous. A little scenario, you are a family of 5 who spend most evenings together in the lounge watching t.v. which means the seating takes a pounding,to cope with this you buy your suites on a pay monthly plan over five years which is the most they will last. Your choice of suite is functional with no luxury (what you can afford) on your renewal date your salesman offers you a leather,reclining suite with massage built in and all this comes at a lower cost than you normally pay meaning you have money to spare elsewhere,maybe better health care for our family.When renewal date arrives your suite is not leather has no massage facility and in fact looks like a worn out version of your old suite and the salesman informs you it will cost you more money would you not want recourse? To perhaps pick a different offer or stick with your old suite,not perfect but functional and where you have spent many happy days. Why would you want to stick with a worn out sofa and deal with one salesman/shop, there are other traders out there who will gladly get rid of your old worn out sofa and let you deal with them and create a much more comfortable home for you and your family |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Nov 17, 2018 8:27:12 GMT
A little scenario, you are a family of 5 who spend most evenings together in the lounge watching t.v. which means the seating takes a pounding,to cope with this you buy your suites on a pay monthly plan over five years which is the most they will last. Your choice of suite is functional with no luxury (what you can afford) on your renewal date your salesman offers you a leather,reclining suite with massage built in and all this comes at a lower cost than you normally pay meaning you have money to spare elsewhere,maybe better health care for our family.When renewal date arrives your suite is not leather has no massage facility and in fact looks like a worn out version of your old suite and the salesman informs you it will cost you more money would you not want recourse? To perhaps pick a different offer or stick with your old suite,not perfect but functional and where you have spent many happy days. Why would you want to stick with a worn out sofa and deal with one salesman/shop, there are other traders out there who will gladly get rid of your old worn out sofa and let you deal with them and create a much more comfortable home for you and your family Personally I find that the funniest bit to be "where you have spent many happy days". Yeah it was so wonderful, they've really turned Stoke on Trent around, the 70% who voted out must have forgotten about the great days out at the EU funded Ceramica. |
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Post by M on Nov 17, 2018 8:39:23 GMT
But Farage live on TV hours before the conclusion and a leave supporter who started the petioin said otherwise...... But the consistent message I keep getting told by a small minority of staunchly leave supporters is that everyone knew what they were voting for when talking about leaving the single market etc. Now regardless of me agreeing with that or not, if that statement is true and everyone did know what they were voting for then this deal on offer isn't what was voted for. Just like the general election manifesto of the Tories saying we will leave the single market, this deal again isn't what people voted for. Therefore the question posed wasn't valid so to suggest that anyone can't demand another question is rediculous. We are already in EU, and have now decided to leave. That has been decided and needs to implemented. No referendum should have any choice of remaining. What right is there not to honour that vote? And if that vote is not honoured, why should any subsequent vote on the same question be honoured? Answers please. Brexit was leaving completely. May's deal isn't. If that despicable scumbag Campbell wants another vote, it's May's deal or no deal? Leaving has been decided. Ah you're one of those.. Fortunately in the minority. You know people can change thir mind once they realise what is involved. I'm sure even the Germans with hindsight would have not have voted Hitler in... So your position is to scream and shout about democracy but remove a democratic choice in case you now don't/won't (and you know it) get the outcome you want... I bet you also ignored the stories about chunks of the leave campaign campaigning illegally. I reckon you're also one of those if the result was different that would also form part of your conspiracy theory 😂 |
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Post by starkiller on Nov 17, 2018 8:44:03 GMT
Let's face it, May's deal is deliberately bad. She is a Remoaner, acting on Remoaner's plans.
She, and Remoaners, are acting like a child who has been asked to do the washing up, but doesn't want to do it. She deliberately makes a bad job of it so she doesn't have to do it. Are the EU and Remoaners that childish? Yes. Yes they are!
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Post by boothenboy75 on Nov 17, 2018 8:48:16 GMT
We are already in EU, and have now decided to leave. That has been decided and needs to implemented. No referendum should have any choice of remaining. What right is there not to honour that vote? And if that vote is not honoured, why should any subsequent vote on the same question be honoured? Answers please. Brexit was leaving completely. May's deal isn't. If that despicable scumbag Campbell wants another vote, it's May's deal or no deal? Leaving has been decided. Ah you're one of those.. Fortunately in the minority. You know people can change thir mind once they realise what is involved. I'm sure even the Germans with hindsight would have not have voted Hitler in... So your position is to scream and shout about democracy but remove a democratic choice in case you now don't/won't (and you know it) get the outcome you want... I bet you also ignored the stories about chunks of the leave campaign campaigning illegally. I reckon you're also one of those if the result was different that would also form part of your conspiracy theory 😂 Using that "logic" we'd have to have a general election every week, in case some people have changed their minds. And anyone who didn't agree with that would be against democracy. |
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Post by M on Nov 17, 2018 8:52:22 GMT
Let's face it, May's deal is deliberately bad. She is a Remoaner, acting on Remoaner's plans. She, and Remoaners, are acting like a child who has been asked to do the washing up, but doesn't want to do it. She deliberately makes a bad job of it so she doesn't have to do it. Are the EU and Remoaners that childish? Yes. Yes they are! Let's face it that she was democratically chosen to deliver it even though she publicly told everyone she thought we'd be better off staying. Was your vote one of hers too BTW? Are you a fan of democracy or not? You've already skirted the question about the accuracy of the question so what difference does it make if she does the same? People either knew what Brexit was or didn't. Swings and roundabouts and all that. Awaits a further question referendum. Different outcome. Crying Brexiteers who fell for her lies even though that dangerous Corbyn would have hysterically delivered Brexit 😂😂😂 |
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Post by M on Nov 17, 2018 8:55:24 GMT
Ah you're one of those.. Fortunately in the minority. You know people can change thir mind once they realise what is involved. I'm sure even the Germans with hindsight would have not have voted Hitler in... So your position is to scream and shout about democracy but remove a democratic choice in case you now don't/won't (and you know it) get the outcome you want... I bet you also ignored the stories about chunks of the leave campaign campaigning illegally. I reckon you're also one of those if the result was different that would also form part of your conspiracy theory 😂 Using that "logic" we'd have to have a general election every week, in case some people have changed their minds. And anyone who didn't agree with that would be against democracy. Maybe. Would seem excessive wouldn't it. You never know though politicians might need to be consistent with the truth then like the MPs who said this negotiation would be the easiest process possible in advance of them beginning. Or the MP the other day who backtracked and apologised for making up a stat that the majority of the country support this version of Brexit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 9:01:57 GMT
How would Corbyn have "hysterically delivered Brexit" ? He can't even make his mind up which side of the fence he's on - maybe all the splinters in his backside are stopping him falling off.
As for the rest of his dream team well they are all spouting a different story, McDonut, Diane Abacus and Starmer can't even get their position sorted collectively. Corbyn says Brexit can't be stopped but other days doesn't make his position clear at all, McDonut says yes it can, Abacus doesn't know what day it is, and Starmer says something else and babbles on about his 6 tests (maybe he's a cricket fan).
The whole lot of them Tories, Labour and the "others" are all a complete shower.
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Post by M on Nov 17, 2018 9:21:16 GMT
How would Corbyn have "hysterically delivered Brexit" ? He can't even make his mind up which side of the fence he's on - maybe all the splinters in his backside are stopping him falling off. As for the rest of his dream team well they are all spouting a different story, McDonut, Diane Abacus and Starmer can't even get their position sorted collectively. Corbyn says Brexit can't be stopped but other days doesn't make his position clear at all, McDonut says yes it can, Abacus doesn't know what day it is, and Starmer says something else and babbles on about his 6 tests (maybe he's a cricket fan). The whole lot of them Tories, Labour and the "others" are all a complete shower. You know what you're right. We'd never know. But having someone who dislikes the EU would probably see a better chance of it happening than this shit shower who have basically stopped it in its entirity. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2018 9:29:15 GMT
If you're talking solely about Brexit, at the moment we have a choice between voting for a party which we know is out of it's depth in the negotiations, and a party which might be (or probably would be if you're really not a fan).
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 9:56:58 GMT
I'd be interested to know what Remainers now want. Pragmatically.Not looking to the past.
1 Go back to as we were? ....Remain?.... actually half in half out, opt outs etc.... would the EU " allow" this or would they want a " new arrangement"..the Euro,rebate etc, turn the screw....Or would they be content to know that they have won... Learn your lesson, you are not allowed to leave the EU.
2 May's deal.... worse than Remain?
3. A new deal....brokered by Labour? Again would the EU allow it and what would it be.
...In other words, what do you see as the best outcome.........
in the best interests of the UK?
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Post by M on Nov 17, 2018 10:12:16 GMT
I'd be interested to know what Remainers now want. Pragmatically.Not looking to the past. 1 Go back to as we were? ....Remain?.... actually half in half out, opt outs etc.... would the EU " allow" this or would they want a " new arrangement"..the Euro,rebate etc, turn the screw....Or would they be content to know that they have won... Learn your lesson, you are not allowed to leave the EU. 2 May's deal.... worse than Remain? 3. A new deal....brokered by Labour? Again would the EU allow it and what would it be. Is what you want in the best interests of the UK? I want a change of domestic political policy and I don't give a flying fig if that's in or out of the EU because I believe the majority of our domestic problems are entirely domestic policy. The UN report released yesterday about the current state of poverty in this country is nothing to do with eu nationals or a supposed eu army. Its entirely to do with our policies by this shit shower of a government. The opposition no great light of amazingness are actually a great bastion of amazingness compared to these shits that have systematically destroyed this country over the last ten years which has largely fed the anti eu rhetoric. What I initially wanted was out in a utopia but not under the tory terms because I know from day one we'd sign up a trade deal with the USA and the next thing I know is those staffordshire oatcakes I love eating will actually be made in tennessee putting loads of staffordshire oatcakes makers out of business whilst also being made from fish guts instead of what they should be (extreme example but that's what I believe would happen with industry over here with decreased standards to match USA competition). I also don't want the NHS carved up any more than it already has been. My position is absolutely no trade deals or the one we've got so I'd rather stick with what we've got based on what is on offer. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2018 10:15:13 GMT
I'd be interested to know what Remainers now want. Pragmatically.Not looking to the past. 1 Go back to as we were? ....Remain?.... actually half in half out, opt outs etc.... would the EU " allow" this or would they want a " new arrangement"..the Euro,rebate etc, turn the screw....Or would they be content to know that they have won... Learn your lesson, you are not allowed to leave the EU. 2 May's deal.... worse than Remain? 3. A new deal....brokered by Labour? Again would the EU allow it and what would it be. ...In other words, what do you see as the best outcome......... in the best interests of the UK? A referendum on May's deal, and if that is rejected a referendum on whether the public want a hard or soft Brexit. Given the amount of time wasted, that would probably involve extending the expiry date of Article 50. Not ideal, but if we don't extend it I don't see a decent outcome that has a decent number of British people behind it. The alternative is to take May's shit deal for the transition period, and have a hard/soft Brexit referendum to take into the negotiating period for the future deal. That would not involve extending Article 50, but would involve going forward with May's deeply unpopular deal. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 10:17:57 GMT
I'd be interested to know what Remainers now want. Pragmatically.Not looking to the past. 1 Go back to as we were? ....Remain?.... actually half in half out, opt outs etc.... would the EU " allow" this or would they want a " new arrangement"..the Euro,rebate etc, turn the screw....Or would they be content to know that they have won... Learn your lesson, you are not allowed to leave the EU. 2 May's deal.... worse than Remain? 3. A new deal....brokered by Labour? Again would the EU allow it and what would it be. ...In other words, what do you see as the best outcome......... in the best interests of the UK? A referendum on May's deal, and if that is rejected a referendum on whether the public want a hard or soft Brexit. Given the amount of time wasted, that would probably involve extending the expiry date of Article 50. Not ideal, but if we don't extend it I don't see a decent outcome that has a decent number of British people behind it. The alternative is to take May's shit deal for the transition period, and have a hard/soft Brexit referendum to take into the negotiating period for the future deal. That would not involve extending Article 50, but would involve going forward with May's deeply unpopular deal. So what would YOU want as the ideal outcome following a referendum....the end result, not so much how we get there |
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Post by M on Nov 17, 2018 10:19:44 GMT
To add. As a traditional left winger which is nothing extreme. Someone who believes in a balance between market competition and state owned public services and a health, education and welfare system we should be proud of sees localised governance as a dream ticket. The problem is entirely political because the system is so far detached from what was. The race to the bottom is in full swing and a tory Brexit will only speed that up for me.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2018 10:20:21 GMT
I'd be interested to know what Remainers now want. Pragmatically.Not looking to the past. 1 Go back to as we were? ....Remain?.... actually half in half out, opt outs etc.... would the EU " allow" this or would they want a " new arrangement"..the Euro,rebate etc, turn the screw....Or would they be content to know that they have won... Learn your lesson, you are not allowed to leave the EU. 2 May's deal.... worse than Remain? 3. A new deal....brokered by Labour? Again would the EU allow it and what would it be. Is what you want in the best interests of the UK? I want a change of domestic political policy and I don't give a flying fig if that's in or out of the EU because I believe the majority of our domestic problems are entirely domestic policy. The UN report released yesterday about the current state of poverty in this country is nothing to do with eu nationals or a supposed eu army. Its entirely to do with our policies by this shit shower of a government. The opposition no great light of amazingness are actually a great bastion of amazingness compared to these shits that have systematically destroyed this country over the last ten years which has largely fed the anti eu rhetoric. What I initially wanted was out in a utopia but not under the tory terms because I know from day one we'd sign up a trade deal with the USA and the next thing I know is those staffordshire oatcakes I love eating will actually be made in tennessee putting loads of staffordshire oatcakes makers out of business whilst also being made from fish guts instead of what they should be (extreme example but that's what I believe would happen with industry over here with decreased standards to match USA competition). I also don't want the NHS carved up any more than it already has been. My position is absolutely no trade deals or the one we've got so I'd rather stick with what we've got based on what is on offer. So to be clear in answer to my question, pragmatically....I think that you are saying that you would like things to be exactly as they were before the Referendum...Still a member ( sort of).....Is that right? Do you think it could happen? Would the EU accept that? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 17, 2018 10:20:54 GMT
Ah you're one of those.. Fortunately in the minority. You know people can change thir mind once they realise what is involved. I'm sure even the Germans with hindsight would have not have voted Hitler in... So your position is to scream and shout about democracy but remove a democratic choice in case you now don't/won't (and you know it) get the outcome you want... I bet you also ignored the stories about chunks of the leave campaign campaigning illegally. I reckon you're also one of those if the result was different that would also form part of your conspiracy theory 😂 Using that "logic" we'd have to have a general election every week, in case some people have changed their minds. And anyone who didn't agree with that would be against democracy. And I expect the anyone who votes for Labour to know every detail of their manifesto, and know exactly how they plan to implement renationalisation. If the MPs really wanted Brexit to happen, it would have. It might have been difficult, but I think it was achievable. Its been thwarted by people who never wanted it. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 17, 2018 10:21:30 GMT
Whatever deal we end up there's one thing for certain..Brexit will dominate the political landscape of this Country for the foreseeable future.
The REAL negotiations start after March 2019 remember.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 17, 2018 10:24:44 GMT
I'd be interested to know what Remainers now want. Pragmatically.Not looking to the past. 1 Go back to as we were? ....Remain?.... actually half in half out, opt outs etc.... would the EU " allow" this or would they want a " new arrangement"..the Euro,rebate etc, turn the screw....Or would they be content to know that they have won... Learn your lesson, you are not allowed to leave the EU. 2 May's deal.... worse than Remain? 3. A new deal....brokered by Labour? Again would the EU allow it and what would it be. ...In other words, what do you see as the best outcome......... in the best interests of the UK? Sadly of the three may’s deal Which she is banking on enough people excepting it My choice walk away now and tell them to whistle for there billions Being forced to find that money themselves may concentrate the eu’s mind |
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