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Post by bathstoke on Oct 21, 2018 20:18:34 GMT
We’ve done this to ourselves. It’s tragic Well done Bath I congratulate you on your frankness in speaking as an ardent Remainer and putting it out there so eloquently that you've caused so much grief by refusing to accept a democratic vote, which of course was delayed for so many decades by lying politicians  That dementias kicking in quicker than expected. I'll set up a whip round for a one way ticket to Switzerland. Poor cnutXx |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 21, 2018 21:13:49 GMT
Without the EU we will have no workers rights protection  Don't know about the rest of the numbers, but the maternity leave figure for the EU is horseshit. |
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Post by banksofengland on Oct 21, 2018 23:03:29 GMT
Lets just grow up cut the apron strings and leave home ooooooohhhh! Scary isn't it ...grow up !!! just leave home as we all did years ago show some bottle!!!😊
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 2:24:14 GMT
Had a little chat with LML the other day and apparently they have new windbreakers coming out, so I'm looking forward to some waterproofed fashiooon!
speaking of cut and paste:
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Post by starkiller on Oct 22, 2018 2:57:25 GMT
How can people who are not eligible to vote be prevented from missing out in a 'people's vote' or future elections? Shall we let everyone in the world vote, just in case they may move to the UK in the future? Maybe put some votes aside for those not born yet? It is the matter of eligibility which is at the root of the debate. If those directly affected by the result now - not at sometime in the future as your post implies - have no say in it, then the result can be seen to be unrepresentative and consequently undemocratic. I had no say in 1975, and no-one had any say in treaty after treaty which signed away UK sovereignty. |
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Post by felonious on Oct 22, 2018 6:31:50 GMT
It is the matter of eligibility which is at the root of the debate. If those directly affected by the result now - not at sometime in the future as your post implies - have no say in it, then the result can be seen to be unrepresentative and consequently undemocratic. I had no say in 1975, and no-one had any say in treaty after treaty which signed away UK sovereignty. I said yes in 1975 (trusting the politicians) and since then have had no say in treaty after treaty which signed away UK sovereignty. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 22, 2018 19:55:22 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 22, 2018 20:22:27 GMT
 May sees off Merkel over Irish border |
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Post by Northy on Oct 23, 2018 8:14:35 GMT
The only uncertainty has been created by spineless politicians who won't accept a democratic vote of leaving the EU No shit, Shylock? For nearly 5 million people - most of whom were not allowed to vote - the uncertainty is where they will be living and working next year, where there kids will be going to school, where they will feel welcome etc. This has been created by the spineless politicians who instigated a referendum without bothering to consider the consequences. Very democratic! Theresa May long ago stated that EU citizens that were living in the UK could remain after Brexit, you must have missed that bit of news then ... Correct that they weren't allowed to vote until they are British Citizens. Half of our own kids don't know where they are going to go to school, mass immigration (and not getting ready for it beforehand) has caused that one hasn't it. |
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Post by Northy on Oct 23, 2018 8:18:48 GMT
The only uncertainty has been created by spineless politicians who won't accept a democratic vote of leaving the EU As it stands, we're leaving the EU. So the result of the referendum is being enacted, it's the process of leaving (which has never been voted on) which is the sticking point. The process to leave was to leave, not half leave, not one foot in, one foot out with a little bit of okey cokey. The 1975 vote was join or not join the EEC, there wasnt subsequent referndums for all the other treaties, Maastricth, Lisbon etc. We were promised one by Labour for the Lisbon treaty then the lying bastards renaged it when back in power. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 23, 2018 8:24:31 GMT
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Post by Northy on Oct 23, 2018 8:37:37 GMT
I wonder what would have happened to the Irish if the UK hadn't loaned them £7billion when they were on their knees 10 years ago, even though the UK was in the shit with their own debt. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 23, 2018 8:40:59 GMT
I wonder what would have happened to the Irish if the UK hadn't loaned them £7billion when they were on their knees 10 years ago, even though the UK was in the shit with their own debt. Yes no self interest in that act at all mate! |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 23, 2018 8:42:24 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 23, 2018 9:06:00 GMT
As it stands, we're leaving the EU. So the result of the referendum is being enacted, it's the process of leaving (which has never been voted on) which is the sticking point. The process to leave was to leave, not half leave, not one foot in, one foot out with a little bit of okey cokey. The 1975 vote was join or not join the EEC, there wasnt subsequent referndums for all the other treaties, Maastricth, Lisbon etc. We were promised one by Labour for the Lisbon treaty then the lying bastards renaged it when back in power. We're not half-leaving as it stands. We're 100% leaving and come March 2019 we will absolutely not be a member of the European Union. Job done. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 23, 2018 9:07:04 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 23, 2018 9:12:56 GMT
Interesting that Brexit would potentially harm his company a lot less than it would his rivals. Makes you wonder if he's supporting Brexit as a tactical move to disrupt his rivals and give his own business an advantage. Although it doesn't seem to be much of a change of process for Dyson, it's a bit disappointing that someone who is an advocate of Brexit has chose not to invest time, resources and jobs into the country once we have left the EU. |
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Post by yeokel on Oct 23, 2018 9:49:07 GMT
When are you going to understand that this is not about money for most of us? If the amount was twice your graph above, or half your graph above it would have made little difference to the way ‘leave voters’ voted. In the main, the vote for ‘leavers’ was about national identity. I’m happy to be called English, British or European as I’m all three. I’m happy that my country has a rich cultural heritage, a proud history and a sense of self which has helped shape me to be the person I am. And that person isn’t particularly different to most on this board – in the main we share similar values. The same is true of the French, the Italians, the Swedish and just about everybody else in Europe but that doesn’t make us all the same. We have our differences, our national traits and our idiosyncrasies. When I visit another country, it’s not because I want to be like them or be one of them, I visit to ‘experience’ them, their country and their culture (or lack of!). France is different to Britain. Not better or worse, just different. Same with all the others, we’re all the same, but different and I (and, I would venture most people in Europe) love and value those differences. That is why the EU will eventually fall apart. It is trying to cram us all together with the same sets of laws and regulations, of values, of ways and systems of doing things and it is all going to end in a big bloody mess which we would do well to avoid (although, sadly, I’m sure we’ll get sucked in one way or another). So whether your graph above shows that we spend 0.1, 0.5, 1.1, 2 or even 3 percent of our public spending budget on the EU makes no difference. All of the above is worth far more than money and national budgets, and long may that continue to be the case. Vive la différenceLong live the nation states. |
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Post by yeokel on Oct 23, 2018 9:51:06 GMT
Agreed. But would it be any different if the country had voted to 'remain'? |
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 23, 2018 10:04:13 GMT
And you lefties squeal like stuck pigs when anyone mentions welfare reform |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 23, 2018 10:29:05 GMT
And you lefties squeal like stuck pigs when anyone mentions welfare reform Any different to 'righties' squealing like pigs when someone mentions overseas aid? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 23, 2018 10:34:18 GMT
You know what Huddy you've convinced me. It's not the EU we should be cutting down it's the fucking welfare budget!! |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 23, 2018 10:34:32 GMT
Rumblings on twitter that the 48 letter threshold for a vote of no confidence in May has been reached at the 1922 Committee.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 23, 2018 10:48:27 GMT
Absolutely staggering. This is your chief industrial flag bearer for Brexit... |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 23, 2018 10:55:56 GMT
Absolutely staggering. This is your chief industrial flag bearer for Brexit... The guy flip flops on Europe every time it comes up. He was a big pro-Euro proponent and claimed that not joining meant he had to shift his production to Asia in the first place. Which as far as I'm aware isn't in Europe. He's the classic case of being so far removed from realistic arguments on both sides, everything he says should be taken with a pinch of salt. He'll always do what's best for his business. In 2002 it was shifting 1000 jobs to Asia and now it's electric car construction. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 23, 2018 11:06:20 GMT
Rumblings on twitter that the 48 letter threshold for a vote of no confidence in May has been reached at the 1922 Committee. There's a meeting tomorrow night of the 1922 Committee and May is supposed to attend to reassure back benchers about her Brexit direction. The Chairman of the '22, Graham Brady, could use that to inform her the letters are in BUT I understand it's not the PM who 'inspects' the letters it's her PPS. So if Seema Kennedy attends the meeting that should be the sign. Brady doesn't have to trigger a vote of no confidence immediately but there's no good reason why he wouldn't tomorrow if the 48 are in. *Some on twitter now saying 48 not reached. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 23, 2018 11:12:25 GMT
And you lefties squeal like stuck pigs when anyone mentions welfare reform Explain? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 23, 2018 11:29:45 GMT
For all you getting sand in your fannies over Dyson it's nothing to do with Brexit.
It's a business decision. He's basing production in Singapore because of the location of component parts and electric motor expertise.
It's part of that '95% of all Global trade growth over the next 10 years will be outside the EU' that the ..... er..... EU told us about.
The quicker the UK becomes the Singapore of Europe the better.
Anyway.... "despite Brexit" and all that, Scottish firm lands massive deal to manufacture German buses......
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 23, 2018 11:46:36 GMT
Anyway. I'm thinking of starting a new thread. UNexit. What a rotten pile of shit that organisation has become.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 23, 2018 11:56:57 GMT
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