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Post by smallthorner on Oct 1, 2018 19:39:45 GMT
Just letting you know what the people of Stoke are thinking Big John The Sentinel wouldn't publish this without some hard facts. You can sniff all you want about the "bus" message but I know loads of people who are peed off that it was a blatant piece of clever spin. The NHS is a very important factor and if the rumours about American involvement in the service post Brexit are true... it will cause a riot. I've not seen the Sentinel stuff. You're still not clear about the Euro...a fundamental part of the EU Stop deflecting big John... you're worse than your hero Mr Farage. đ |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2018 19:40:13 GMT
No it isn't...it isn't just about law makers in any case No it isnât just about law makers, itâs about the electoral system. PR to elect MEPs and the far less representative and therefore less democratic first past the post system for MPs. What else is democracy about if not the electoral system and electing the people who make our laws. Because at the moment the UK is looking extremely undemocratic compared with the EU Not at all Oggy. The EU system is not democratic and it undermines our sovereignty |
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 1, 2018 19:40:39 GMT
What do you not grasp about membership of the Euro not being compulsory? i have already stated it is not what i want or what i think the country needs and the EU leave membership or not up to the individual countries,and you say i am mixed up,by the way the tide is turning in Stoke now or do you ignore what your local paper say`s aswell (page 22 i believe  [/quote What you don't grasp is that the Eurogroup is the powerhouse within the EU. Also you don't grasp that the EU project does not stand still....the direction of travel is ever closer union, at which point we will be required to join the Euro. New members must join. By all means send me page 22 of the sentinel....bearing in mind that we have already had the Referendum, we are now talking about if we are genuinely leaving Seeing as you are so well informed i would have thought you could find the article on-line i just did? You might like it,Boris gets a mention |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2018 19:41:09 GMT
I've not seen the Sentinel stuff. You're still not clear about the Euro...a fundamental part of the EU Stop deflecting big John... you're worse than your hero Mr Farage. đ You are deflecting from the Euro issue. As you know. Any answers? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2018 19:41:48 GMT
Seeing as you are so well informed i would have thought you could find the article on-line i just did? You might like it,Boris gets a mention I'm not really looking for it. It's up to you to make the argument |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 1, 2018 19:41:58 GMT
Just letting you know what the people of Stoke are thinking Big John The Sentinel wouldn't publish this without some hard facts. You can sniff all you want about the "bus" message but I know loads of people who are peed off that it was a blatant piece of clever spin. The NHS is a very important factor and if the rumours about American involvement in the service post Brexit are true... it will cause a riot. I've not seen the Sentinel stuff. You're still not clear about the Euro...a fundamental part of the EU. Oh and did the bus cause you to vote to leave. I suppose it persuaded everyone else but not you. The euro is not a fundamental part of the EU. We have been in te EU for years and donât have it. The four freedoms are the fundamental parts of the EU. Something you (and our government) donât seem to get |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 1, 2018 19:44:08 GMT
No it isnât just about law makers, itâs about the electoral system. PR to elect MEPs and the far less representative and therefore less democratic first past the post system for MPs. What else is democracy about if not the electoral system and electing the people who make our laws. Because at the moment the UK is looking extremely undemocratic compared with the EU Not at all Oggy. The EU system is not democratic and it undermines our sovereignty Explain how it is more democratic than here. You canât just say âno it isnâtâ and expect to win an argument!! It reduces our sovereignty but not as much as selling half our exports to the EU but having zero say as to the regulations those products have to abide by. We will be far less sovereign when we leace as we will have far less sway over international laws and agreements. We will just follow and be irrelevant. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2018 19:44:25 GMT
I've not seen the Sentinel stuff. You're still not clear about the Euro...a fundamental part of the EU. Oh and did the bus cause you to vote to leave. I suppose it persuaded everyone else but not you. The euro is not a fundamental part of the EU. We have been in te EU for years and donât have it. The four freedoms are the fundamental parts of the EU. Something you (and our government) donât seem to get Yes and the four freedom s. With respect Oggy it's a bit ridiculous to say that the Euro isn't fundamental to the EU. They created the currency , used I think by 16/19 members. An essential part of Political and Economic union....the whole purpose of the EU |
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 1, 2018 19:45:14 GMT
I'm not really looking for it. It's up to you to make the argument Gainsay is not a reasoned argument  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 1, 2018 19:45:51 GMT
Having become more and more frustrated at the lack of movement in the Brexit discussion and the continued discussion of whether leaving the EU does actually mean we have left the EU, I am delighted to see that the discussion has moved on. Although I was kind of hoping it would move forwards, and not backwards to talk about whether the UK should've joined the single currency. Still, I look forward to March 2019 when we leave the EU, by which time we'll probably be discussing the rights and wrongs of the Treaty of Rome. Oh well, movement is movement I guess  Do you think that we should have joined the Euro Rip c. Or that we should join? No, I think in hindsight we were probably better off out of it - although who knows how we would've fared in it. |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 1, 2018 19:47:53 GMT
Stop deflecting big John... you're worse than your hero Mr Farage. đ You are deflecting from the Euro issue. As you know. Any answers? You weren't discussing it with me đ¤Łđ¤Ł |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2018 19:48:38 GMT
Not at all Oggy. The EU system is not democratic and it undermines our sovereignty Explain how it is more democratic than here. You canât just say âno it isnâtâ and expect to win an argument!! It reduces our sovereignty but not as much as selling half our exports to the EU but having zero say as to the regulations those products have to abide by. We will be far less sovereign when we leace as we will have far less sway over international laws and agreements. We will just follow and be irrelevant. Oggy we've been through this argument many many times. The whole system is remote, not democratic. I'm afraid I'll have to post the Tony Benn video again .He explains it better than me....and he's been there. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2018 19:49:34 GMT
You are deflecting from the Euro issue. As you know. Any answers? You weren't discussing it with me đ¤Łđ¤Ł Are you sure? Check. Ok What do you think? You can join in C . |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2018 19:51:26 GMT
Gainsay is not a reasoned argument Bye .... avoiding the Euro issue then? |
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Post by pearo on Oct 1, 2018 20:04:28 GMT
As the day of liberation gets ever nearer, the Remainers media via outlets such as BBC, The Independant, Peoples Vote et al are desperatly trying to portray a country where there should be a second vote, and that the outcome would be different. They are absolutly correct, the result would be an even bigger majority to Leave and we would all have to suffer Gina Miller and her cronies telling us that the result was wrong and we need a third vote.
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 1, 2018 20:10:23 GMT
Bye .... avoiding the Euro issue then? I WILL SHOUT FOR YOU AS YOU SEEM TO HAVE ISSUES OF COMPREHENSION,I HAVE NO WISH TO JOIN THE EURO MONETARY SYSTEM |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2018 20:14:01 GMT
I WILL SHOUT FOR YOU AS YOU SEEM TO HAVE ISSUES OF COMPREHENSION,I HAVE NO WISH TO JOIN THE EURO MONETARY SYSTEM I'VE GOT THAT. Why not? It's a very important part of the EU. Surely we should be full members. By opting to being in the EU you are signing up to ever closer union towards economic and political union...the Euro....the five presidents' report |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 1, 2018 20:18:11 GMT
As the day of liberation gets ever nearer, the Remainers media via outlets such as BBC, The Independant, Peoples Vote et al are desperatly trying to portray a country where there should be a second vote, and that the outcome would be different. They are absolutly correct, the result would be an even bigger majority to Leave and we would all have to suffer Gina Miller and her cronies telling us that the result was wrong and we need a third vote. Page 22 The Sentinel |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2018 20:18:40 GMT
As the day of liberation gets ever nearer, the Remainers media via outlets such as BBC, The Independant, Peoples Vote et al are desperatly trying to portray a country where there should be a second vote, and that the outcome would be different. They are absolutly correct, the result would be an even bigger majority to Leave and we would all have to suffer Gina Miller and her cronies telling us that the result was wrong and we need a third vote. True |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 1, 2018 20:22:16 GMT
Gina is going to make a brilliant leader of the new Liberal Democrats.
Brains, balls and personality.
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Post by pearo on Oct 1, 2018 20:22:45 GMT
I'VE GOT THAT. Why not? It's a very important part of the EU. Surely we should be full members. By opting to being in the EU you are signing up to ever closer union towards economic and political union...the Euro....the five presidents' report John, donât ask them complex questions. They had a choice between Remain or Leave and as they can count they went for the word with the most letters. If the options had been Stay or Leave the majority would have been massive. |
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 1, 2018 20:25:34 GMT
John, donât ask them complex questions. They had a choice between Remain or Leave and as they can count they went for the word with the most letters. If the options had been Stay or Leave the majority would have been massive. I can nearly see what you talk out of on your avatar. |
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Post by sorethumbs on Oct 1, 2018 20:27:04 GMT
Page 22 of The Sentinel tonight will show you a big proportion of Stoke people want a second referendum and feel that they have been misled. These are people who voted Brexit. If the "Brexit capital of the UK" is starting to have second thoughts then the rest of the country must be ready for REF2. Do you believe everything you read on a page in your local rag? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2018 20:28:50 GMT
Gina is going to make a brilliant leader of the new Liberal Democrats. Brains, balls and personality. She doesn't fit in with the usual desired profile Allegedly ( I have not verified this): Ms Miller is the founder and chairman of Miller Philanthropy, which she launched with her husband Alan, the original âMr Hedge Fundâ, who made more than ÂŁ30 million in the City. Gina Miller is on the Board of Trustees of the Philanthropy Impact foundation. Miller's husband Alan Miller has business ties to George Soros: "Legendary investor George Soros is considering handing over $100m to new fund management company New Star Asset Management to invest for him. Soros previously held talks with Jupiter when it started the Jupiter Hedge Fund. That fund, run by Alan Miller, has moved with Miller to New Star. New Star chief executive Howard Covington refused to comment on whether discussions were taking place." |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 1, 2018 20:29:07 GMT
Page 22 of The Sentinel tonight will show you a big proportion of Stoke people want a second referendum and feel that they have been misled. These are people who voted Brexit. If the "Brexit capital of the UK" is starting to have second thoughts then the rest of the country must be ready for REF2. Do you believe everything you read on a page in your local rag? Haha... Fake news eh..? In the Sentinel Jesus wept. Have a look. Richard Ault is a respected reporter. |
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Post by pearo on Oct 1, 2018 20:30:27 GMT
I can nearly see what you talk out of on your avatar. At least I have one, I appreciate itâs probably too challenging for your like to do things like that, does someone else sharpen your pencils for you too. |
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Post by 4372 on Oct 1, 2018 20:30:45 GMT
I voted to leave the EU.
It's simple.
It was on the ballot paper.
And the government wrote to me explaining it.
Yes. But you have also told us that the government was lying to us about the issues. How were we supposed to know that they were telling the truth about the issues such as the single market, and the customs union? (Of course, on the ballot paper there was nothing about those matters,)
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2018 20:33:35 GMT
Do you believe everything you read on a page in your local rag? Haha... Fake news eh..? In the Sentinel Jesus wept. Have a look. Richard Ault is a respected reporter. Depends what you mean by respected. I suppose some think that George Osborne was a respected chancellor .etc |
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Post by sorethumbs on Oct 1, 2018 20:46:08 GMT
Do you believe everything you read on a page in your local rag? Haha... Fake news eh..? In the Sentinel Jesus wept. Have a look. Richard Ault is a respected reporter. I don't know who this Richard Ault is but I would hazard a good guess he voted to remain? And I can probably guess he's done a few reports that would be considered pro remain. Just who did 'the Sentinal' ask in this latest 'poll of the people of Stoke on Trent' to come to the conclusion of 'overwhelming support' for Ref2? Nobody asked me. I've asked my friends, of whom only one voted to remain, on many occasions since the referendum, if any of them would reconsider their choice. None of them would. Those who voted to leave feel even more strongly that it was the right decision and angry at all the scuppering going on. I've also done a Facebook poll (public) and there was still an overwhelming majority in favour of leave. A very small amount of people said they would choose differently if there was to be a new vote (evenly split to choose the opposite from one to the other) So to summarise I would say yes, probably fake news but hey, you believe whatever floats your boat smallthorner |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 1, 2018 20:54:37 GMT
Haha... Fake news eh..? In the Sentinel Jesus wept. Have a look. Richard Ault is a respected reporter. I don't know who this Richard Ault is but I would hazard a good guess he voted to remain? And I can probably guess he's done a few reports that would be considered pro remain. Just who did 'the Sentinal' ask in this latest 'poll of the people of Stoke on Trent' to come to the conclusion of 'overwhelming support' for Ref2? Nobody asked me. I've asked my friends, of whom only one voted to remain, on many occasions since the referendum, if any of them would reconsider their choice. None of them would. Those who voted to leave feel even more strongly that it was the right decision and angry at all the scuppering going on. I've also done a Facebook poll (public) and there was still an overwhelming majority in favour of leave. A very small amount of people said they would choose differently if there was to be a new vote (evenly split to choose the opposite from one to the other) So to summarise I would say yes, probably fake news but hey, you believe whatever floats your boat smallthorner I'm just stating what it says in the Sentinel mate. Suppose there is always the possibility of the Sentinel being involved in a conspiracy theory and printing fake news on a Monday night. The press association must be informed. Maggie from the chip shop was coerced into giving a false answer to the questions. The world's gone fudging mad. |
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