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Post by 4372 on Nov 4, 2022 0:41:33 GMT
No, that can't possibly be correct. The UK voted to leave the EU specifically so that it could control it's own borders and manage immigration.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 4, 2022 0:59:50 GMT
I wonder if the recent influx of Albanian asylum seekers is related to brexit and the Dublin regulation. Previously we could apply and get asylum seekers sent back to the first EU country they were finger printed in. Due to this it was always a massive deterrent to a large majority of asylum seekers as if they had already been fingerprinted or had family settled elsewhere in the EU then it wasn't worth the risk to just get sent back. To put the numbers into perspective. In 2018 only 397 asylum seekers arrived by small boat. In 2022 so far this number is 38,000. An astronomical increase in 4 years and the year isn't even over yet. To compare this to Italy. In 2016 they had 180,000 asylum seekers arrive by sea. While in 2021 that number was 59,000. I would say that given our dramatic in increase of asylum seekers arriving by boat especially in comparison to other nations. The only reasonable explanation is the Dublin regulation no longer applying and acting as a deterrant to stop a large majority of asylum. Seekers chancing it. The reality is that the Home Office were equally useless when the Dublin Regulation was operational One of the provisions of the Dublin Regulation was that a return had to activated within 6 months. You can guess how that worked out In the Final year 209 were returned I have posted previously how many other Countries returned e.g. Germany, France etc and its 5K plus range Having said that the Dublin Regulation is not the panacea some may think. Even in the more efficient Germany and France only about 10 of those "Dublined" actually get returned as when it becomes apparent the Asylum Seeker simply absconds and goes underground God knows how many failed Asylum Seekers or even people entering UK with no intention of regularising their status there are currently in UK Just the other day The Home Office admitted they have "lost" 222 Unaccompanied Children who had been placed in Hotel Accommodation The scandals of incompetence and lack of safeguarding have not even begun
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 6, 2022 6:49:49 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Nov 10, 2022 17:08:06 GMT
Lord Wolfson is merely the "Next" in line of Brexit bores after Timmy Martin calling for increased immigration Wolfson hilariously claims its "Not the Brexit I Wanted" Has Wolfson forgotten the Vote Leave Posters demonising Turkey or UKIPs Racist Posters which were referred to the Police All Anti Immigration which influenced many to Vote for Brexit. Did he speak out then? Did he Fuck The Problem with Brexit is there are as many options as Heinz Varieties which is convenient to Brexit supporters who can choose from the a la Carte Menu their favourite Morsels overlooking the entire "Feast" when consumed in its entirety results only in indigestion and discomfort www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/business-63573988.amp
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 10, 2022 22:56:30 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 11, 2022 7:57:09 GMT
Recession!!!
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Post by lordb on Nov 11, 2022 8:21:04 GMT
Nothing to do with Brexit🤔
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 11, 2022 8:39:40 GMT
Nothing to do with Brexit🤔 Absolutely. I’m no economist, but I know for certain that international trade and lots more costs and bureaucracy for UK businesses to trade abroad has absolutely nothing to do with the economy or GDP!
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 11, 2022 9:15:30 GMT
Some more evidence of the disaster that is brexit: Restaurant prices at top restaurants have doubled since brexit - coincidence? www.theguardian.com/food/2022/nov/10/prices-at-uks-top-restaurants-have-doubled-since-brexitNow sadly we can’t all eat at these restaurants, but everyday eating out costs have risen massively since brexit (food prices risen from brexit alone by 6% for a start), and staffing issues are a major headache for the industry, meaning staff still here can demand higher wages and therefore prices rise for us all. But with the cost of living crisis eating out is now only a real luxury for most. It would be a bit easier for us all if food prices had not increased by 6% because of brexit… Proof that labour shortages are down to brexit? Here’s some from a brexiteer: www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/10/brexit-next-boss-foreign-workers-uk-lord-wolfsonAnd finally, northern ireland has no government and won’t have one until April 2023 (and even then a new election is unlikely to break the deadlock). What’s to blame? Our “oven ready” brexit deal of course! www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/09/northern-ireland-elections-may-be-delayed-until-april-to-facilitate-brexit-talksSo as we return to recession only 8 quarters after leaving the last recession (the shortest period in our history between two recessions), with our borders under less control than ever before, our successive governments and leaders lurching from domestic crisis to domestic crisis since the referendum, only a fool would say brexit is going well for us. What a monumental waste of time, money and energy.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 11, 2022 13:11:16 GMT
Surely even the most ardent Brexit supporters must realise that the only viable reason that every member of the G7 apart from the UK hasn't recovered to pre-pandemic levels is we did something in 2020 that they all didn't do.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 11, 2022 14:02:36 GMT
Some more evidence of the disaster that is brexit: Restaurant prices at top restaurants have doubled since brexit - coincidence? www.theguardian.com/food/2022/nov/10/prices-at-uks-top-restaurants-have-doubled-since-brexitNow sadly we can’t all eat at these restaurants, but everyday eating out costs have risen massively since brexit (food prices risen from brexit alone by 6% for a start), and staffing issues are a major headache for the industry, meaning staff still here can demand higher wages and therefore prices rise for us all. But with the cost of living crisis eating out is now only a real luxury for most. It would be a bit easier for us all if food prices had not increased by 6% because of brexit… Proof that labour shortages are down to brexit? Here’s some from a brexiteer: www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/10/brexit-next-boss-foreign-workers-uk-lord-wolfsonAnd finally, northern ireland has no government and won’t have one until April 2023 (and even then a new election is unlikely to break the deadlock). What’s to blame? Our “oven ready” brexit deal of course! www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/09/northern-ireland-elections-may-be-delayed-until-april-to-facilitate-brexit-talksSo as we return to recession only 8 quarters after leaving the last recession (the shortest period in our history between two recessions), with our borders under less control than ever before, our successive governments and leaders lurching from domestic crisis to domestic crisis since the referendum, only a fool would say brexit is going well for us. What a monumental waste of time, money and energy. I suspect you have hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. Over the next 10 to 30 years, we'll probably slowly realign with the EU to minimise and undo the damage that Brexit has done and continues to do to the country. And at the end of that period of realignment, whatever form it ultimately takes, whether that's full legal re-entry or simply paying into various European trade/science/defence/health memberships without actual re-joining, there will be an analysis which concludes that it was just that - a monumental waste of time, money and energy simply to get back to pretty much where we were. And all for what really? To keep the Tory Party from fracturing.
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Post by phileetin on Nov 11, 2022 14:48:20 GMT
Some more evidence of the disaster that is brexit: Restaurant prices at top restaurants have doubled since brexit - coincidence? www.theguardian.com/food/2022/nov/10/prices-at-uks-top-restaurants-have-doubled-since-brexitNow sadly we can’t all eat at these restaurants, but everyday eating out costs have risen massively since brexit (food prices risen from brexit alone by 6% for a start), and staffing issues are a major headache for the industry, meaning staff still here can demand higher wages and therefore prices rise for us all. But with the cost of living crisis eating out is now only a real luxury for most. It would be a bit easier for us all if food prices had not increased by 6% because of brexit… Proof that labour shortages are down to brexit? Here’s some from a brexiteer: www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/10/brexit-next-boss-foreign-workers-uk-lord-wolfsonAnd finally, northern ireland has no government and won’t have one until April 2023 (and even then a new election is unlikely to break the deadlock). What’s to blame? Our “oven ready” brexit deal of course! www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/09/northern-ireland-elections-may-be-delayed-until-april-to-facilitate-brexit-talksSo as we return to recession only 8 quarters after leaving the last recession (the shortest period in our history between two recessions), with our borders under less control than ever before, our successive governments and leaders lurching from domestic crisis to domestic crisis since the referendum, only a fool would say brexit is going well for us. What a monumental waste of time, money and energy. I suspect you have hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. Over the next 10 to 30 years, we'll probably slowly realign with the EU to minimise and undo the damage that Brexit has done and continues to do to the country. And at the end of that period of realignment, whatever form it ultimately takes, whether that's full legal re-entry or simply paying into various European trade/science/defence/health memberships without actual re-joining, there will be an analysis which concludes that it was just that - a monumental waste of time, money and energy simply to get back to pretty much where we were. And all for what really? To keep the Tory Party from fracturing.
i wanted to take back control , i wanted to know that my vote for things wasn't being over-ruled by some freak from latvia
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Post by andystokey on Nov 11, 2022 15:02:15 GMT
I suspect you have hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. Over the next 10 to 30 years, we'll probably slowly realign with the EU to minimise and undo the damage that Brexit has done and continues to do to the country. And at the end of that period of realignment, whatever form it ultimately takes, whether that's full legal re-entry or simply paying into various European trade/science/defence/health memberships without actual re-joining, there will be an analysis which concludes that it was just that - a monumental waste of time, money and energy simply to get back to pretty much where we were. And all for what really? To keep the Tory Party from fracturing. i wanted to take back control , i wanted to know that my vote for things wasn't being over-ruled by some freak from latvia
Just over-ruled by some freak from Berkshire.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 11, 2022 15:56:36 GMT
I suspect you have hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. Over the next 10 to 30 years, we'll probably slowly realign with the EU to minimise and undo the damage that Brexit has done and continues to do to the country. And at the end of that period of realignment, whatever form it ultimately takes, whether that's full legal re-entry or simply paying into various European trade/science/defence/health memberships without actual re-joining, there will be an analysis which concludes that it was just that - a monumental waste of time, money and energy simply to get back to pretty much where we were. And all for what really? To keep the Tory Party from fracturing. i wanted to take back control , i wanted to know that my vote for things wasn't being over-ruled by some freak from latvia
It isn’t. It never has been. If you don’t believe me, give me some specific examples of when what you voted for was overridden by “some freak from Latvia”?
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Post by lordb on Nov 11, 2022 16:03:55 GMT
I suspect you have hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. Over the next 10 to 30 years, we'll probably slowly realign with the EU to minimise and undo the damage that Brexit has done and continues to do to the country. And at the end of that period of realignment, whatever form it ultimately takes, whether that's full legal re-entry or simply paying into various European trade/science/defence/health memberships without actual re-joining, there will be an analysis which concludes that it was just that - a monumental waste of time, money and energy simply to get back to pretty much where we were. And all for what really? To keep the Tory Party from fracturing. i wanted to take back control , i wanted to know that my vote for things wasn't being over-ruled by some freak from latvia
As opposed to some freak from Eton?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 11, 2022 18:38:20 GMT
I suspect you have hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. Over the next 10 to 30 years, we'll probably slowly realign with the EU to minimise and undo the damage that Brexit has done and continues to do to the country. And at the end of that period of realignment, whatever form it ultimately takes, whether that's full legal re-entry or simply paying into various European trade/science/defence/health memberships without actual re-joining, there will be an analysis which concludes that it was just that - a monumental waste of time, money and energy simply to get back to pretty much where we were. And all for what really? To keep the Tory Party from fracturing.
i wanted to take back control , i wanted to know that my vote for things wasn't being over-ruled by some freak from latvia
"some freak from Latvia"! That classic leave xenophobia once again!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 11, 2022 18:42:25 GMT
BBC reporting that of the G7 economies ours is the only one which is smaller than it was pre-pandemic. That can't be right. We're all facing the same pressures: inflation, energy prices etc and MrCoke keeps saying that we're doing really well? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63596773
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 12, 2022 8:37:39 GMT
Here’s why we voted to take back control: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/12/couple-separated-from-baby-post-brexit-visa-delays-settled-statusWe don’t want 4 month babies of highly qualified immigrants with settled status coming here! It took two weeks to sort the birth certificate at the German embassy in Kolkata, and the passport followed just after. But in over 3 months the Home Office is still unable to do whatever checks it needs on a newborn baby of people with settled status! The sorry state of our country. Good old brexit!
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Post by toppercorner on Nov 12, 2022 16:55:25 GMT
BBC reporting that of the G7 economies ours is the only one which is smaller than it was pre-pandemic. That can't be right. We're all facing the same pressures: inflation, energy prices etc and MrCoke keeps saying that we're doing really well? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63596773
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 12, 2022 16:57:33 GMT
BBC reporting that of the G7 economies ours is the only one which is smaller than it was pre-pandemic. That can't be right. We're all facing the same pressures: inflation, energy prices etc and MrCoke keeps saying that we're doing really well? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63596773Ah, but think of the sovereignty, or to put it another way, we might be shit but at least we made it shit.
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Post by toppercorner on Nov 14, 2022 12:44:58 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Nov 14, 2022 13:50:25 GMT
He will just be another in a long line of Professional Economist that Mr Coke will add to his "Anti Brexit Coalition" along with OBR IFS IMF Andrew Bailey Resolution Foundation BBC FT Mark Carney OECD Uncle Tom Cobley and all. Maybe if we all believed in UK more it'll all be so much better The only tangible Economic Benefit Brexiteers can point to are Trade Deals with Australia which UK Government estimates will add 0.08% to GDP by 2035 New Zealand 0.03% by 2035 and Japan 0.07%
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 14, 2022 14:56:44 GMT
Bexiteers said it was project fear that the city of london would lose some of its status and pulling power for high earners….
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 14, 2022 17:15:11 GMT
Bexiteers said it was project fear that the city of london would lose some of its status and pulling power for high earners…. It’s one big massive con. Hopefully the conned will wake up soon.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 14, 2022 17:40:57 GMT
Bexiteers said it was project fear that the city of london would lose some of its status and pulling power for high earners…. It’s one big massive con. Hopefully the conned will wake up soon. To be fair, I think more and more people are. Obviously not the Cokes of this world but I doubt whether anything could shake his faith in Brexit. This graph is interesting. It's a shame it stops two years ago as I suspect the results would be even more decisive today. I think it shows quite neatly the effect of the right-wing press and certain Tory politicians and people like Farage pre referendum, followed by the reality of post referendum life which simply can't be bullshitted away. Like I said, it's a shame Nov 2020 is the last survey date. whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/
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Post by gawa on Nov 14, 2022 18:13:47 GMT
On the brightside though at least we got control of our borders and have less illegal immigrants.... Oh wait... Actually.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 14, 2022 19:25:18 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 14, 2022 19:51:55 GMT
Time will tell which of us is correct on the future growth or otherwise of the UK economy.... ...You are against the trade deal with Australia and I am in favour. Ooof, double ouch!
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 14, 2022 20:05:24 GMT
Bexiteers said it was project fear that the city of london would lose some of its status and pulling power for high earners…. www.caproasia.com/2022/09/24/the-2022-global-financial-centres-index-32nd-edition/#:~:text=The%20top%20financial%20centre%20in,%2C%20Shanghai%2C%20Beijing%2C%20Shenzhen. The loss of share dealing was always going to happen even if the UK had stayed in the EU. I've posted the above link to show London and Paris positions in the world financial markets. It's the latest release from September. The London stock exchange represents just part of the financial markets. There has been a senior French financier, whose name escapes me, who has been campaigning since 2010 for all Euro share dealing to be held in the Euro area. It briefly happened when the UK left the EU, some of you may recall. It has always been an issue in the Eurozone that the main Euro share trading was in London, not in the Euro zone. The UK leaving the EU presented the opportunity to move share dealing from London to other centres. Before anyone gets hot and bothered as some reactions to this post are, it should be realised that London is the second largest financial centre in the world and deals on a world stage in many other financials such as banking, commodities, insurance, etc. London financial services are still growing as the world market grows. As soon as UK left the EU and mutual deal was done with Zurich to protect British and Swiss financial interests. The rest of the world economy is growing faster than the EU, Europe being the second slowest growing continental economy after Antarctica. During UK's membership of EEC/EU, the latter's current members' share of the world market declined from a third to less than a fifth, and the decline is getting faster as countries like India grow rapidly. The UK has always been a global nation and now outside the EU it can maximise its position in the world much better. Jam tomorrow, because it will not happen overnight but it will happen, with the UK being the third most influential nation in the world. www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/most-influential-countries
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Post by wannabee on Nov 14, 2022 20:12:19 GMT
It’s one big massive con. Hopefully the conned will wake up soon. To be fair, I think more and more people are. Obviously not the Cokes of this world but I doubt whether anything could shake his faith in Brexit. This graph is interesting. It's a shame it stops two years ago as I suspect the results would be even more decisive today. I think it shows quite neatly the effect of the right-wing press and certain Tory politicians and people like Farage pre referendum, followed by the reality of post referendum life which simply can't be bullshitted away. Like I said, it's a shame Nov 2020 is the last survey date. whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/Are you suggesting it's an arbitrary date The graph goes back to 2011 am I missing something? Obviously the Stock Market Valuation of a Listed Company can be affected by many things but it is telling that the valuation of Companies Listed on London Stock Exchange, mostly British, has steeply declined since 1st January 2021 the date UK actually exited EU and New Trading Conditions were introduced for UK Companies
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