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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2022 23:03:58 GMT
Hmmm, seems like our food dependency on the rest of the world will increase as a result of our own growers having to close down as a result of our growing uncompetitiveness (pun intended).You can only wonder how much extra it will cost to import food which we previously grew here in the UK, especially in light of the weak pound and the import controls the government is still too scared to introduce fully (I wonder why?) and what kind of environmental conditions will be observed in those places that are now expected to do our food growing for us? You seem to be unaware that since the 1980s the UK 's self sufficiency in food has been declining. The EU Common Agricultural Policy, despite huge a amounts of tax payers money being poured into it, has been a failure for British farming. The number of farm holdings in the UK of between 20ha and 100ha fell from 84,450 in 2000 to 65,610 in 2013. www.fwi.co.uk/business/business-management/succession/arrest-decline-small-family-farmswww.fwi.co.uk/news/farm-policy/small-family-farms-disappear-2050-cpre-warnsThe picture is the same across Europe. www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/24/fewer-bigger-more-intensive-eu-vows-to-stem-drastic-loss-of-small-farmsThankfully we now have a king who takes a strong interest in farming and will be asking questions of the government. One of the reasons for the demise of UK farming is the failure to invest in modern methods of automation and robotics, instead the industry has relied on cheap foreign labour. That is now changing and the government is offering financial assistance to farmers to increase productivity as well as phasing out the awful CAP. Countries like Australia, which have always had a labour shortage and crying out for immigrants have adopted far more advanced methods and export over 70% of the food they produce. www.globalaustralia.gov.au/industries/agrifood-tech
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Post by neworleanstokie on Sept 19, 2022 23:12:39 GMT
I recently loaned an item to a museum in Belfast. Due to Brexit we were almost unable to get the item from Stanstead (FedEx) into Belfast (at considerable cost). FedEx wanted to return the item to NY after 3 days as they could not figure out how to get around the Brexit border in the Irish Sea but thanks to the persistence of my contact in NI and FedEx we were able (after 2 weeks) to get it to Belfast. More Brexit winning from the likes of Comical Ali Coke.
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Post by wannabee on Sept 20, 2022 1:52:36 GMT
I recently loaned an item to a museum in Belfast. Due to Brexit we were almost unable to get the item from Stanstead (FedEx) into Belfast (at considerable cost). FedEx wanted to return the item to NY after 3 days as they could not figure out how to get around the Brexit border in the Irish Sea but thanks to the persistence of my contact in NI and FedEx we were able (after 2 weeks) to get it to Belfast. More Brexit winning from the likes of Comical Ali Coke. "Global Britain" is at a crossroads It has left one of the biggest Trading Partnerships in the World, the EU which was Geographically on its doorstep and now Trade with that Bloc is infinitely more difficult, expensive and restricted It has largely Grandfathered Trade Agreements the EU had with other Countries. So at least has not lost advantage there. It is now rushing headlong into securing Membership of CPTPP which will present many of the "Sovereignty" challenges EU Membership posed. It may hold its nose to those dilemmas and pretend they don't exist or walk away as too hard a sell to British Electorate In any case CPTPP has/will be usurped by RCEP with most of CPTPP Countries also members of RCEP but crucially also including China which obviously will be the dominant player. There would obviously be many challenges if UK became a member of CPTPP or indeed RCEP which will soon absorb CPTPP not least rules of origin which become common amongst its members One further complication is of course your adopted homeland and the promised prize from Brexit of a US Trade Deal. It is written in all US Trade Deals that Countries that enter a Trade Deal with US must not have a Trade Deal with "Non Market Economies" ... Read China The only other large Economy outside the previously mentioned blocs is India. India pulled out of RCEP negotiations in fear of being swamped by China. Its possible that UK could conclude a Trade Deal with India I'm not convinced of its merits. British arrogance is not a new phenomenon it has a long standing reputation of being as you adopted yanks might say "a day late and a dollar short" When FIFA originally proposed to hold a World Cup the FA although not members (as they refused to be as the original inventors of the game) declined an invitation to participate When they did eventually participate in 1950 things didn't go well as again your adopted Countries Amateurs beat England 1-0. The BBC on receiving the result by Teletext refused to believe the result and reported a 10-1 victory to England When the original proposal was mooted by some Countries to form an economic union which became the EEC UK lukewarmly participated in the early discussions but declined to join to pursue a "one-world economic system " which put Srerling at its centre And they say history doesn't repeat itself !
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2022 6:36:15 GMT
It’s going ever so well
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Post by andystokey on Sept 20, 2022 7:15:39 GMT
It's never going to happen in the administration of these two and given the current global agenda unlikely in 5 to 10 years. Unless the US want something for free it will never happen.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 20, 2022 7:34:16 GMT
It's never going to happen in the administration of these two and given the current global agenda unlikely in 5 to 10 years. Unless the US want something for free it will never happen. Fuck the USA Cause Of the majority of the worlds problems And almost all of its obesity
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Post by wannabee on Sept 20, 2022 7:59:16 GMT
It is astonishing that almost every promise Vote Leave made has turned out to be the opposite www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave.htmlWhat would happen... If we vote to leave the EU We will be able to save £350 million a week We can spend our money on our priorities like the NHS, schools, and housing. We'll be in charge of our own borders In a world with so many new threats, it's safer to control our own borders and decide for ourselves who can come into this country, not be overrules by EU judges. We can control immigration A fairer system which welcomes people to the UK based on the skills they have, not the passport they hold. We'll be free to trade with the whole world The EU stops us signing our own trade deals with key allies like Australia or New Zealand, ad growing economies like India, China or Brazil. We'll be free to seize new opportunities which means more jobs. We can make our own laws Our laws should be made by people we can elect and kick out - that's more democratic. If we vote to stay in the EU The EU is expanding Turkey is one of FIVE new countries joining the EU. The EU already costs us £350 million a week Enough to build a new NHS hospital every week. We get less than half of this back, and have no say over how it's spent. Immigration will continue to be out of control Nearly 2 million people came to the UK from the EU over the last ten years. Imagine what it will be like in future decades when new, poorer countries join. We'll have to keep bailing out the € The countries that use the Euro already have a build-in majority, meaning they can always outvote us. You will be paying the bill for the Euro's failure. The European Court will still be in charge of our laws It already overrules us on everything from how much tax we pay, to who we can let in and our of the country, and on what terms.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 20, 2022 8:17:24 GMT
It is astonishing that almost every promise Vote Leave made has turned out to be the opposite www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave.htmlWhat would happen... If we vote to leave the EU We will be able to save £350 million a week We can spend our money on our priorities like the NHS, schools, and housing. We'll be in charge of our own borders In a world with so many new threats, it's safer to control our own borders and decide for ourselves who can come into this country, not be overrules by EU judges. We can control immigration A fairer system which welcomes people to the UK based on the skills they have, not the passport they hold. We'll be free to trade with the whole world The EU stops us signing our own trade deals with key allies like Australia or New Zealand, ad growing economies like India, China or Brazil. We'll be free to seize new opportunities which means more jobs. We can make our own laws Our laws should be made by people we can elect and kick out - that's more democratic. If we vote to stay in the EU The EU is expanding Turkey is one of FIVE new countries joining the EU. The EU already costs us £350 million a week Enough to build a new NHS hospital every week. We get less than half of this back, and have no say over how it's spent. Immigration will continue to be out of control Nearly 2 million people came to the UK from the EU over the last ten years. Imagine what it will be like in future decades when new, poorer countries join. We'll have to keep bailing out the € The countries that use the Euro already have a build-in majority, meaning they can always outvote us. You will be paying the bill for the Euro's failure. The European Court will still be in charge of our laws It already overrules us on everything from how much tax we pay, to who we can let in and our of the country, and on what terms. That is generally correct. But you forget we have had a worldwide pandemic, there is a war in Europe putting energy prices through the roof, and US and China have had zero growth recently. So all things considered Brexit has gone quite well.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 20, 2022 8:19:59 GMT
The conflicting lies of rags such as The Sun regarding the Queen's views on Brexit.
If she had no political power, why didn't the monarch come out and say how damaging it would be?
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 20, 2022 9:01:33 GMT
It's never going to happen in the administration of these two and given the current global agenda unlikely in 5 to 10 years. Unless the US want something for free it will never happen. If someone promised a trade deal with the US in 5 to 10 years I'd take that. We should remember: 1. We were told that it could take a decade to get a trade deal with the EU: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/15/reality-check-will-it-take-10-years-to-do-a-uk-eu-trade-deal-post-brexitWe actually got a trade deal before the end of the leaving transition period. 2. We were told that "little Britain" was too weak and small to get the same trade deals with other countries as the large EU. We actually rolled over >60 existing trade deals with those countries on the same terms and conditions.There were a couple of exceptions; the terms with Japan were improved and one African country stuck out for better terms. Truss stood up to that country and when they realised they would have to sell us bananas on WTO terms they quickly signed on the same EU terms. Truss is now standing up to the US. Although the EU - Canada deal was new, and many EU countries have not yet ratified it, the UK also got a joint commitment with Canada to improve the terms of the EU trade deal to our mutual benefit and negotiations are in progress. 3. We were told that it would take many years, even up to a decade to negotiate brand new trade deals outside of the EU. That was presumably based on the EU pathetically slow progress on doing anything. We already have trade deals with Australia and New Zealand in less than two years and are progressing negotiations with many other countries, notably India, which is growing rapidly and has now overtaken the UK as the 5th largest economy in the world. By 2030 India will be the largest country in the world in terms of population and will be the 3rd largest economy after US and China. 4. The UK sits at the WTO representing itself, instead of some anonymous person from Brussels, who is more concerned about protecting EU olive growers or German manufacturers, who have powerful lobbies in Brussels. We are seeking to join the Pacific trade group and in negotiation with other trade groups and individual countries in terms of making new trade deals or improving existing deals and cooperation on trade. The UK is also seeking to improve terms with countries with which we have existing trade deals. It would not surprise me that the UK is so busy working on these other deals including deals with individual US states, that the government are quite prepared to wait for Biden's administration to expire and press on with existing business. Better to press on with progress with the rest of the world than to spend a lot of time and effort negotiating a US deal only for one individual to scupper a deal. Truss needs to get commitment to making a deal from the top like we have with Canada and India.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 20, 2022 9:17:23 GMT
The conflicting lies of rags such as The Sun regarding the Queen's views on Brexit. If she had no political power, why didn't the monarch come out and say how damaging it would be? The monarch is not allowed to express a political view and only gives their personal opinion in private. We have curbed the power of the monarch in progressive stages since Magna Carta, including getting rid at one point. There will be future changes driven by public opinion. The day the monarch becomes overtly political, I will cease to be a monachist. Yesterday a journalist in Der Spiegal demonstrated how some people fail to understand the role of the monarch as Head of state but not allowed to engage in politics. This link needs translating: www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/queen-elizabeth-ii-und-der-brexit-wo-die-koenigin-versagt-hat-a-66cad0bf-2691-4b27-960b-955bbf079ac9
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 20, 2022 9:58:39 GMT
The conflicting lies of rags such as The Sun regarding the Queen's views on Brexit. If she had no political power, why didn't the monarch come out and say how damaging it would be? The monarch is not allowed to express a political view and only gives their personal opinion in private. We have curbed the power of the monarch in progressive stages since Magna Carta, including getting rid at one point. There will be future changes driven by public opinion. The day the monarch becomes overtly political, I will cease to be a monachist. Yesterday a journalist in Der Spiegal demonstrated how some people fail to understand the role of the monarch as Head of state but not allowed to engage in politics. This link needs translating: www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/queen-elizabeth-ii-und-der-brexit-wo-die-koenigin-versagt-hat-a-66cad0bf-2691-4b27-960b-955bbf079ac9
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 20, 2022 10:12:57 GMT
Little companies screwed because of Brexit.
If I was this Kent brewer, I'd be banging on Nigel Farage's door and giving him what for. It's ok for him to still collect his MEP pension, and travel anywhere because of his German wife, but he's ruined this country.
People fell for his lies (like Bojo) because he seems funny, has a beer and smokes a fag.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 20, 2022 10:16:42 GMT
It's never going to happen in the administration of these two and given the current global agenda unlikely in 5 to 10 years. Unless the US want something for free it will never happen. If someone promised a trade deal with the US in 5 to 10 years I'd take that. We should remember: 1. We were told that it could take a decade to get a trade deal with the EU: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/15/reality-check-will-it-take-10-years-to-do-a-uk-eu-trade-deal-post-brexitWe actually got a trade deal before the end of the leaving transition period. 2. We were told that "little Britain" was too weak and small to get the same trade deals with other countries as the large EU. We actually rolled over >60 existing trade deals with those countries on the same terms and conditions.There were a couple of exceptions; the terms with Japan were improved and one African country stuck out for better terms. Truss stood up to that country and when they realised they would have to sell us bananas on WTO terms they quickly signed on the same EU terms. Truss is now standing up to the US. Although the EU - Canada deal was new, and many EU countries have not yet ratified it, the UK also got a joint commitment with Canada to improve the terms of the EU trade deal to our mutual benefit and negotiations are in progress. 3. We were told that it would take many years, even up to a decade to negotiate brand new trade deals outside of the EU. That was presumably based on the EU pathetically slow progress on doing anything. We already have trade deals with Australia and New Zealand in less than two years and are progressing negotiations with many other countries, notably India, which is growing rapidly and has now overtaken the UK as the 5th largest economy in the world. By 2030 India will be the largest country in the world in terms of population and will be the 3rd largest economy after US and China. 4. The UK sits at the WTO representing itself, instead of some anonymous person from Brussels, who is more concerned about protecting EU olive growers or German manufacturers, who have powerful lobbies in Brussels. We are seeking to join the Pacific trade group and in negotiation with other trade groups and individual countries in terms of making new trade deals or improving existing deals and cooperation on trade. The UK is also seeking to improve terms with countries with which we have existing trade deals. It would not surprise me that the UK is so busy working on these other deals including deals with individual US states, that the government are quite prepared to wait for Biden's administration to expire and press on with existing business. Better to press on with progress with the rest of the world than to spend a lot of time and effort negotiating a US deal only for one individual to scupper a deal. Truss needs to get commitment to making a deal from the top like we have with Canada and India. Do you think we are better off purely in terms of trade than we were today? Genuine question or do we have to wait a decade to find out? I don't think "leave" indicated a timescale but most voters interpreted one.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 20, 2022 10:19:38 GMT
well knock me down ... Something Boris fucking Johnson has said may not happen for years (if at all). If the royals wanted to win over the non-royalists, they could start by throwing this twat in the tower of london, and throwing away the key.
Yes, the article is 1 year old, but nothing has changed.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 20, 2022 11:11:07 GMT
If someone promised a trade deal with the US in 5 to 10 years I'd take that. We should remember: 1. We were told that it could take a decade to get a trade deal with the EU: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/15/reality-check-will-it-take-10-years-to-do-a-uk-eu-trade-deal-post-brexitWe actually got a trade deal before the end of the leaving transition period. 2. We were told that "little Britain" was too weak and small to get the same trade deals with other countries as the large EU. We actually rolled over >60 existing trade deals with those countries on the same terms and conditions.There were a couple of exceptions; the terms with Japan were improved and one African country stuck out for better terms. Truss stood up to that country and when they realised they would have to sell us bananas on WTO terms they quickly signed on the same EU terms. Truss is now standing up to the US. Although the EU - Canada deal was new, and many EU countries have not yet ratified it, the UK also got a joint commitment with Canada to improve the terms of the EU trade deal to our mutual benefit and negotiations are in progress. 3. We were told that it would take many years, even up to a decade to negotiate brand new trade deals outside of the EU. That was presumably based on the EU pathetically slow progress on doing anything. We already have trade deals with Australia and New Zealand in less than two years and are progressing negotiations with many other countries, notably India, which is growing rapidly and has now overtaken the UK as the 5th largest economy in the world. By 2030 India will be the largest country in the world in terms of population and will be the 3rd largest economy after US and China. 4. The UK sits at the WTO representing itself, instead of some anonymous person from Brussels, who is more concerned about protecting EU olive growers or German manufacturers, who have powerful lobbies in Brussels. We are seeking to join the Pacific trade group and in negotiation with other trade groups and individual countries in terms of making new trade deals or improving existing deals and cooperation on trade. The UK is also seeking to improve terms with countries with which we have existing trade deals. It would not surprise me that the UK is so busy working on these other deals including deals with individual US states, that the government are quite prepared to wait for Biden's administration to expire and press on with existing business. Better to press on with progress with the rest of the world than to spend a lot of time and effort negotiating a US deal only for one individual to scupper a deal. Truss needs to get commitment to making a deal from the top like we have with Canada and India. Do you think we are better off purely in terms of trade than we were today? Genuine question or do we have to wait a decade to find out? I don't think "leave" indicated a timescale but most voters interpreted one. The short answer to your question is yes, we are far better placed on trade today than we would have been had we remained in the EU. Unfortunately as I said above the current world status is damaged by the fact that we are (1) still recovering from the pandemic, e.g. there is still a world shortage of microchips damaging manufacturing , particularly in Germany. (2) the war in Ukraine is creating huge inflation particularly across Europe as high energy consumers, but also causing starvation in other parts of the world, and (3) the US economy has been flat for 12 months and China's economy has slowed down. Those two economies drive the world economy, not the EU, which although the largest, actually grows very, very slowly. Please read my latest report on trade on page 1,490 paragraph A5. Regarding timescale it is those opposed to Brexit who said it would take up to 10 years to establish trade deals and that they would not be as good as EU trade deals. Politicians in favour of Brexit promised an over night change which is equally nonsense. But the UK has made huge progress in less than two years on trade deals and in another 2 years the scene will be very different. It is obviously going to take time to change after nearly half a century of EU membership. The government make trade deals, but it is business that has to respond to take advantage of more open markets. Unfortunately there are business casualties in the short term.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 20, 2022 11:32:38 GMT
Two of the links you have posted both refer to high energy consumption as did the article in your earlier post. In that original post you referred to the traditional farming processes being outdated due to the energy consumption. Does vertical farming require more or less energy to achieve the same output? If it's less then I'm genuinely excited. If not, given the way energy prices are going, then unless water becomes the critical determinant (I guess it could be Truss and her clownshow insist on using it all for fracking wells), then I suspect vertical farming has a long way to go before it becomes the golden cucumber. The UK will face increased demand for electricity from electrifying transport in the next decades and with new nuclear years away, fracking unlikely to do much in the foreseeable if at all and offshore wind falling behind if it is to achieve its targets, I get concerned when increased energy consumption versus existing methods is proposed in the short -to-medium term.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 20, 2022 12:09:32 GMT
It's almost as if we were lied to by 'politicians' who had ulterior ambitions. A handful of people lied to the public aided and abetted by toilet paper such as the Mail and The Sun, and they have systematically ruined and divided this country. You simply cannot believe a word the Tories say. You simply cannot defend Brexit anymore. Covid was its cover to begin with, now it's being exposed for the sham it really is. From The Times today (paywall): www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ec9bfb12-38a1-11ed-a8ae-d2d57cd0511a?shareToken=8f019d9d370c5367dd46696c9785b8f5"The UK will not strike a free trade deal with America for many years, Liz Truss has conceded. In a significant admission that one of the most-heralded prizes of Brexit is now unlikely to transpire, the new prime minister said that talks with the US would not even start in the “medium term”"Speaking to reporters on her way to New York for the United Nations general assembly, where she will meet Biden tomorrow, Truss told reporters: “There isn’t currently any negotiation taking place with the US and I don’t have an expectation that those are going to start in the short to medium term.”"Truss’s acceptance that a UK-US trade deal is unlikely marks a major change in both the government’s rhetoric and hers personally. In March 2020 she said that a free trade deal with the US would secure a “£15.3 billion increase in bilateral trade and a £3.4 billion lift to the economy.” The country is falling apart.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Sept 20, 2022 12:14:27 GMT
I recently loaned an item to a museum in Belfast. Due to Brexit we were almost unable to get the item from Stanstead (FedEx) into Belfast (at considerable cost). FedEx wanted to return the item to NY after 3 days as they could not figure out how to get around the Brexit border in the Irish Sea but thanks to the persistence of my contact in NI and FedEx we were able (after 2 weeks) to get it to Belfast. More Brexit winning from the likes of Comical Ali Coke. "Global Britain" is at a crossroads It has left one of the biggest Trading Partnerships in the World, the EU which was Geographically on its doorstep and now Trade with that Bloc is infinitely more difficult, expensive and restricted It has largely Grandfathered Trade Agreements the EU had with other Countries. So at least has not lost advantage there. It is now rushing headlong into securing Membership of CPTPP which will present many of the "Sovereignty" challenges EU Membership posed. It may hold its nose to those dilemmas and pretend they don't exist or walk away as too hard a sell to British Electorate In any case CPTPP has/will be usurped by RCEP with most of CPTPP Countries also members of RCEP but crucially also including China which obviously will be the dominant player. There would obviously be many challenges if UK became a member of CPTPP or indeed RCEP which will soon absorb CPTPP not least rules of origin which become common amongst its members One further complication is of course your adopted homeland and the promised prize from Brexit of a US Trade Deal. It is written in all US Trade Deals that Countries that enter a Trade Deal with US must not have a Trade Deal with "Non Market Economies" ... Read China The only other large Economy outside the previously mentioned blocs is India. India pulled out of RCEP negotiations in fear of being swamped by China. Its possible that UK could conclude a Trade Deal with India I'm not convinced of its merits. British arrogance is not a new phenomenon it has a long standing reputation of being as you adopted yanks might say "a day late and a dollar short" When FIFA originally proposed to hold a World Cup the FA although not members (as they refused to be as the original inventors of the game) declined an invitation to participate When they did eventually participate in 1950 things didn't go well as again your adopted Countries Amateurs beat England 1-0. The BBC on receiving the result by Teletext refused to believe the result and reported a 10-1 victory to England When the original proposal was mooted by some Countries to form an economic union which became the EEC UK lukewarmly participated in the early discussions but declined to join to pursue a "one-world economic system " which put Srerling at its centre And they say history doesn't repeat itself ! and then we wake up to "Britain may not strike a free trade deal with the US for years, Liz Truss has admitted".. what a stinking pile of poop Brexit turned out to be.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 20, 2022 12:28:01 GMT
Hmmm, seems like our food dependency on the rest of the world will increase as a result of our own growers having to close down as a result of our growing uncompetitiveness (pun intended).You can only wonder how much extra it will cost to import food which we previously grew here in the UK, especially in light of the weak pound and the import controls the government is still too scared to introduce fully (I wonder why?) and what kind of environmental conditions will be observed in those places that are now expected to do our food growing for us? You seem to be unaware that since the 1980s the UK 's self sufficiency in food has been declining. The EU Common Agricultural Policy, despite huge a amounts of tax payers money being poured into it, has been a failure for British farming. The number of farm holdings in the UK of between 20ha and 100ha fell from 84,450 in 2000 to 65,610 in 2013. www.fwi.co.uk/business/business-management/succession/arrest-decline-small-family-farmswww.fwi.co.uk/news/farm-policy/small-family-farms-disappear-2050-cpre-warnsThe picture is the same across Europe. www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/24/fewer-bigger-more-intensive-eu-vows-to-stem-drastic-loss-of-small-farmsThankfully we now have a king who takes a strong interest in farming and will be asking questions of the government. One of the reasons for the demise of UK farming is the failure to invest in modern methods of automation and robotics, instead the industry has relied on cheap foreign labour. That is now changing and the government is offering financial assistance to farmers to increase productivity as well as phasing out the awful CAP. Countries like Australia, which have always had a labour shortage and crying out for immigrants have adopted far more advanced methods and export over 70% of the food they produce. www.globalaustralia.gov.au/industries/agrifood-techAnd making things worse as a result of Brexit helps how?
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 20, 2022 12:53:19 GMT
And making things worse as a result of Brexit helps how? I don't accept that. The UK is now free to build a sustainable, environmentally friendly, and subsidy free agriculture industry the way New Zealand has. The Agriculture Act involves a lot of consultation with all interested parties. www.nfuonline.com/updates-and-information/nfu22-our-blueprint-for-the-future-of-british-farming/Naturally the environmental extremists want more controls they are never satisfied. Rich big farmers want production as top of the agenda to fill their pockets the way they have done under CAP. So I expect there will be opposition from some quarters. But there is no reason all interested parties can work together constructively instead of the industry being dominated by the large supermarket businesses.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 20, 2022 13:24:06 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2022 13:32:41 GMT
Unfortunately there are business casualties in the short term. What is the projected economic loss and the number of jobs which are anticipated to be lost as result of these casualties Mr. Coke, I can't remember what vote leave suggested they would be?
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Post by wannabee on Sept 20, 2022 14:33:50 GMT
It's never going to happen in the administration of these two and given the current global agenda unlikely in 5 to 10 years. Unless the US want something for free it will never happen. With respect this is revisionism at its most blatant and distortion of current factsIf someone promised a trade deal with the US in 5 to 10 years I'd take that. Perhaps you would but this was not what was promised before the Referendum by Johnson, Raab, Gove etc once UK was "Free of EU shackles" to negotiate with its closest ally The reality is six years on and no hope of negotiations even startingWe should remember: 1. We were told that it could take a decade to get a trade deal with the EU: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/15/reality-check-will-it-take-10-years-to-do-a-uk-eu-trade-deal-post-brexitWe actually got a trade deal before the end of the leaving transition period. We were also told by International Secretary Liam Fox ( and others) that securing a Trade Deal with EU would be the "easiest in human history " after all the French Farmers and German Carmakers would make it so. Part of the "they need us more than we need them" nonsense
So your basing the "success " because an opinion piece by the Former UK Ambassador to EU got his timing wrong as it took only 4 1/2 years. And what a splendid deal it is. The ink was barely dry than UK wanted to renegotiate it and is currently threatening to tear up parts of it with the prospect of a Trade War
2. We were told that "little Britain" was too weak and small to get the same trade deals with other countries as the large EU. We actually rolled over >60 existing trade deals with those countries on the same terms and conditions.Why on earth wouldn't Countries who had a Trade Agreement with EU including UK not agree to Rollover on the same terms once UK left the EU It's only UK that cuts off its nose to spite its faceThere were a couple of exceptions; the terms with Japan were improved and one African country stuck out for better terms. Truss stood up to that country and when they realised they would have to sell us bananas on WTO terms they quickly signed on the same EU terms. Truss is now standing up to the US. Waffle Waffle The "Historic" UK/Japan Trade is expected to contribute 0.07% to UK GDP after 15 years According to the Department of Trade.
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/11/uk-government-historic-trade-deal-japan-brexitAlthough the EU - Canada deal was new, and many EU countries have not yet ratified it, the UK also got a joint commitment with Canada to improve the terms of the EU trade deal to our mutual benefit and negotiations are in progress The reality is that UK is Trading under the Terms negotiated by EU. Talks to improve the Canada Agreement began in March this year if successful we may have some Jam tomorrow to accompany current hard cheese. However if Agreement is reached we will also get a slice of Hormone Treated Beef. This will be the final nail in the coffin to UK Food Exporters to EU 3. We were told that it would take many years, even up to a decade to negotiate brand new trade deals outside of the EU. That was presumably based on the EU pathetically slow progress on doing anything. We already have trade deals with Australia and New Zealand in less than two years According to the Department of Trade Impact Assessment the Australia Trade Deal will impact UK GDP by 0.08% by 2035 and the New Zealand Trade Deal by 0.03% in the same period Gosh these Brexit Benefits just keep coming
and are progressing negotiations with many other countries, notably India, which is growing rapidly and has now overtaken the UK as the 5th largest economy in the world. By 2030 India will be the largest country in the world in terms of population and will be the 3rd largest economy after US and China. India has certainly changed its stance on Trade Agreements recently having been reluctant in the past decade. It recently concluded with Australia and India and is aggressively pursuing a twin track approach with UK and EU both deals expected to be similar. I have a particular concern regarding India's very close relationship with Russia since the founding of the State. Recently it facilitated Russia by buying its excess oil not being bought by EU, at a favourable price to India obviously My second concern is Mobi's Apartheid Regime is creating a Tinderbox which is ready to explode. We are already seeing a mini version playing out on the streets of Leicester and for the exact same reasons 4. The UK sits at the WTO representing itself, instead of some anonymous person from Brussels, who is more concerned about protecting EU olive growers or German manufacturers, who have powerful lobbies in Brussels. WTO is merely a default position where nothing else exists USA has effectively Neutered the organisation over recent years. If you think EU is slow to change you ain't seen nothing like WTO. It was recently demonstrated how little influence UK has in WTO when Liam Fox stood for Election as Director General and barely got a VoteWe are seeking to join the Pacific trade group and in negotiation with other trade groups and individual countries in terms of making new trade deals or improving existing deals and cooperation on trade. The UK is also seeking to improve terms with countries with which we have existing trade deals. Its hilarious to me as Brexiteers scramble to join a Trade Group with 13.5% of World Trade and inevitable surrender of some "Sovereignty " no matter how much Brexiteers argue not. Having just left a bigger Trading Group
There is little Economic advantage in joining CPTPP as 95% of GDP is covered by bilateral Trade Agreements with Canada, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. The elusive prize is thinking US will join CPTPP or at least make a US Trade Deal easier. It ain't happening as I pointed out in my post above because of RCEP and China It would not surprise me that the UK is so busy working on these other deals including deals with individual US states, If you want to read an unadulterated piece of Government Propaganda worthy of anything from TASS or North Korea, read this
www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-signs-second-state-level-agreement-with-north-carolinaThis piece of nonsense extolls the virtue of the great State of North Carolina and its Economy. The only problem with this is that US States can only conclude deals on Services which is completely irrelevant to this Puff Piece that the government are quite prepared to wait for Biden's administration to expire and press on with existing business. I have explained to you several times that it is the House, specifically the Ways and Means Committee which negotiates and approves Trade Deals. The House and the Committee are and always have been packed with Caucus's sympathetic to Ireland from both sides of the Political Aisle While UK Fucks around with the Northern-ireland Protocol there is ZERO chance of a Trade Deal with one of the co-guarantors of the Good Friday Agreement Better to press on with progress with the rest of the world than to spend a lot of time and effort negotiating a US deal There is no Deal to be negotiated only for one individual to scupper a deal. Nonsence see above Truss needs to get commitment to making a deal from the top like we have with Canada and India. Really and what if either are booted out of Office do they depend on one individual?
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 20, 2022 14:36:07 GMT
Unfortunately there are business casualties in the short term. What is the projected economic loss and the number of jobs which are anticipated to be lost as result of these casualties Mr. Coke, I can't remember what vote leave suggested they would be? Unemployement is at its lowest level since 1974 when we joined the EEC. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rateThere are over a million job vacancies. There has never been a better time to get a job or change jobs. Brexit promised to take back control of immigration from the EU and stop freedom of movement. There is still substantial immigration but now it is for people to come and do jobs that need filling because there are not enough UK workers don't want to do them. At 29.7 million there are more people on payroll jobs today than at any time in UK history. www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/september2022
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2022 14:41:01 GMT
What is the projected economic loss and the number of jobs which are anticipated to be lost as result of these casualties Mr. Coke, I can't remember what vote leave suggested they would be? Unemployement is at its lowest level since 1974 when we joined the EEC. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rateThere are over a million job vacancies. There has never been a better time to get a job or change jobs. Brexit promised to take back control of immigration from the EU and stop freedom of movement. There is still substantial immigration but now it is for people to come and do jobs that need filling because there are not enough UK workers don't want to do them. At 29.7 million there are more people on payroll jobs today than at any time in UK history. www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/september2022
Thanks for that but do you know the answer(s) to my question(s) mate?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 20, 2022 14:44:15 GMT
What is the projected economic loss and the number of jobs which are anticipated to be lost as result of these casualties Mr. Coke, I can't remember what vote leave suggested they would be? Unemployement is at its lowest level since 1974 when we joined the EEC. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rateThere are over a million job vacancies. There has never been a better time to get a job or change jobs. Brexit promised to take back control of immigration from the EU and stop freedom of movement. There is still substantial immigration but now it is for people to come and do jobs that need filling because there are not enough UK workers don't want to do them. At 29.7 million there are more people on payroll jobs today than at any time in UK history. www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/september2022So in other words - don't worry if your family business goes tits up having been strangled by post Brexit bureaucracy......... you can always go and work in an Amazon warehouse.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 20, 2022 14:48:26 GMT
What is the projected economic loss and the number of jobs which are anticipated to be lost as result of these casualties Mr. Coke, I can't remember what vote leave suggested they would be? Unemployement is at its lowest level since 1974 when we joined the EEC. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rateThere are over a million job vacancies. There has never been a better time to get a job or change jobs. Brexit promised to take back control of immigration from the EU and stop freedom of movement. There is still substantial immigration but now it is for people to come and do jobs that need filling because there are not enough UK workers don't want to do them. At 29.7 million there are more people on payroll jobs today than at any time in UK history. www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/september2022Isnt the number of people looking for work at an all time low?. Due to post Covid illness, lack of EU staff and people retiring early we have a massive imbalance between demand for workers and vacancies. That quantity of vacancies is basically an unhealthy measure for the economy and growth. Where will these workers come from?
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Post by foster on Sept 20, 2022 14:49:55 GMT
What is the projected economic loss and the number of jobs which are anticipated to be lost as result of these casualties Mr. Coke, I can't remember what vote leave suggested they would be? Unemployement is at its lowest level since 1974 when we joined the EEC. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rateThere are over a million job vacancies. There has never been a better time to get a job or change jobs. Brexit promised to take back control of immigration from the EU and stop freedom of movement. There is still substantial immigration but now it is for people to come and do jobs that need filling because there are not enough UK workers don't want to do them. At 29.7 million there are more people on payroll jobs today than at any time in UK history. www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/september2022Just wondering what the impact of zero hour contracts has had on employment stats? Looking at your 2nd link it looks like the total hours worked is 11 million down from a year earlier.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 20, 2022 16:15:19 GMT
It is astonishing that almost every promise Vote Leave made has turned out to be the opposite www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave.htmlWhat would happen... If we vote to leave the EU We will be able to save £350 million a week We can spend our money on our priorities like the NHS, schools, and housing. We'll be in charge of our own borders In a world with so many new threats, it's safer to control our own borders and decide for ourselves who can come into this country, not be overrules by EU judges. We can control immigration A fairer system which welcomes people to the UK based on the skills they have, not the passport they hold. We'll be free to trade with the whole world The EU stops us signing our own trade deals with key allies like Australia or New Zealand, ad growing economies like India, China or Brazil. We'll be free to seize new opportunities which means more jobs. We can make our own laws Our laws should be made by people we can elect and kick out - that's more democratic. If we vote to stay in the EU The EU is expanding Turkey is one of FIVE new countries joining the EU. The EU already costs us £350 million a week Enough to build a new NHS hospital every week. We get less than half of this back, and have no say over how it's spent. Immigration will continue to be out of control Nearly 2 million people came to the UK from the EU over the last ten years. Imagine what it will be like in future decades when new, poorer countries join. We'll have to keep bailing out the € The countries that use the Euro already have a build-in majority, meaning they can always outvote us. You will be paying the bill for the Euro's failure. The European Court will still be in charge of our laws It already overrules us on everything from how much tax we pay, to who we can let in and our of the country, and on what terms. That is generally correct. But you forget we have had a worldwide pandemic, there is a war in Europe putting energy prices through the roof, and US and China have had zero growth recently. So all things considered Brexit has gone quite well. Compared to the global pandemic that has killed millions and caused terrible lockdowns, and compared to Putin waging a war on Ukraine, committing war crimes and killing thousands of innocent people and forcing millions to flea, Brexit is fantastic!
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