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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2022 10:47:11 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 16, 2022 13:00:03 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 16, 2022 16:25:13 GMT
More horseshit as you like to call it I see from you
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 16, 2022 16:27:24 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2022 17:52:08 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 16, 2022 20:42:44 GMT
However it's described, let's pray that the UK can indeed learn from the lead set by the EU.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2022 8:32:23 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 17, 2022 9:00:09 GMT
My dad (a brexiteer) was visibly shocked when i told him how it had affected my business, and prevented me from working abroad. He had no idea, and says to this day he regrets voting for it, as it was all lies from the likes of that snake Farage, Rees-Mogg and man of the people Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, printed in rags such as the sun and the mail.
Purely anecdotal of course, but proves how people were lied too, and we are far worse off as result.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 17, 2022 9:08:14 GMT
My dad (a brexiteer) was visibly shocked when i told him how it had affected my business, and prevented me from working abroad. He had no idea, and says to this day he regrets voting for it, as it was all lies from the likes of that snake Farage, Rees-Mogg and man of the people Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, printed in rags such as the sun and the mail. Purely anecdotal of course, but proves how people were lied too, and we are far worse off as result. Well, let’s hope a political party has the courage to adopt a rejoin the EU policy. Either that or a party, along the lines of UKIP but with the opposite purpose, forms and has a similar effect.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 17, 2022 9:58:24 GMT
Remind me bayern, At what point on that graph did the UK join the EU? The is no doubt that the vote to leave the EU caused a drop in the value of the £, but the most recent drop has nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with war in Ukraine and the flight of bankers to the US$, which has increased in value against almost all currencies and energy is traded in US$. The European Central Bank has just raised interest rates by the highest amount ever in its history to prop up the €, due to: www.cbsnews.com/news/euro-dollar-parity-first-time-in-20-years/
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 17, 2022 11:12:07 GMT
Remind me bayern, At what point on that graph did the UK join the EU? The is no doubt that the vote to leave the EU caused a drop in the value of the £, but the most recent drop has nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with war in Ukraine and the flight of bankers to the US$, which has increased in value against almost all currencies and energy is traded in US$. The European Central Bank has just raised interest rates by the highest amount ever in its history to prop up the €, due to: www.cbsnews.com/news/euro-dollar-parity-first-time-in-20-years/judging by that graph, it appears that the only times since the mid 70s there was any real increase or consistency is when labour were in power. It looks like a decline during the times the corrupt tories are in power.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 17, 2022 11:35:46 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 17, 2022 11:48:28 GMT
Yet brexiteers like Mr Coke and FYD will point to record value of exports (they are only a record is you ignore inflation and the devalued pound) which completely ignores the fact that it is the small businesses who export who are suffering, and that means jobs and livelihoods lost. But Mr Coke and FYD think that is fine, so long as the really big businesses are still able to export.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 17, 2022 22:40:44 GMT
Yet brexiteers like Mr Coke and FYD will point to record value of exports (they are only a record is you ignore inflation and the devalued pound) which completely ignores the fact that it is the small businesses who export who are suffering, and that means jobs and livelihoods lost. But Mr Coke and FYD think that is fine, so long as the really big businesses are still able to export. The collapse in trade predicted during project fear has not occurred. Naturally as the UK leaves the EU customs union, there will be winners and losers. The barrier of red tape the EU puts up to imports to protect its own market is bound to be more difficult to cope with by small traders, but it does not have to be so. For example, one small Scottish trader has experienced a boom as a result of Brexit: www.scotsman.com/business/brexit-fallout-benefits-scots-cheesemaker-as-sales-jump-by-third-3706402Talk of job losses on a significant scale is nonsense: www.gov.uk/government/news/employment-rate-remains-at-record-highI have a passionate interest in small businesses. Brexit is proving a boon. If I might lift some lines from my last Brexit quarterly report on page 1,490: During Q2 British Business Bank announced that equity investment in the UK’s smaller businesses increased in 2021 to £18.1bn, the highest yearly amount since the Beauhurst data series began in 2011. The strong momentum continued into Q1 2022, with £7.6bn of equity investment reaching smaller businesses, the highest ever amount invested in a single quarter. www.british-business-bank.co.uk/small-business-equity-tracker-2022/93 new businesses were created every hour across the UK in the first half of 2022, according to small business lender iwoca. Analysis of Companies House data revealed that over 402,000 businesses were registered in the UK between January and June 2022. London saw the highest business creation rate per capita with 1,587 new businesses per 100,000 residents, followed by the West Midlands with 571. smallbusiness.co.uk/over-90-new-businesses-being-created-every-hour-2563101/#:~:text=Despite%20the%20economic%20backdrop%2C%2093,between%20January%20and%20June%202022. Since leaving the EU, UK small businesses are booming, but this sort of good news gets little press though; it seems the media are not interested in good news. Unfortunately it is an inevitable fact that record new business will lead to record business failures as a fifth of new businesses fail in their first year and 60% within 3 years. That is the sort of news the media love to shout about, so we can expect a lot of grim news in the media, no doubt blaming Brexit. Finally you end your post by making reference to big business. Well, the European Union is all about protecting big business and stopping small businesses growing. German corporate interests dominate Brussels. COPA-COGECA dominate EU agriculture policy. The strong links between the EU countries' big businesses and Russia are currently falling apart, but they are growing ever stronger with China. Between January 2020 and December 2021, EU imports from China increased by 55.2 % ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=China-EU_-_international_trade_in_goods_statistics#:~:text=Between%20January%202020%20and%20December,EU%20countries%20increased%20by%204.4%20%25. China is Germany's major trading partner. www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economy/Foreign-Trade/_node.htmlAnyone who supports UK membership of the EU should make themselves aware of how corporate interests dominate EU policy making and the cheating that goes on: corporateeurope.org/en/power-lobbies/2018/09/corporate-capture-europeAnyone who supports UK membership of the EU should make themselves aware of the "revolving doors" between 40,000 lobbyists working in Brussels and the 60,000 EU employees. www.investigate-europe.eu/en/2021/brussels-lobby-politics/As is constantly pointed out on this MB, the UK has its fair share of corruption in government. The difference is though that the UK voters can remove them by the ballot box, or simply by the pressure of public opinion as in the case of Johnson.
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Post by wannabee on Sept 17, 2022 23:24:40 GMT
You can put lipstick on a Pig but it's still a Pig
The actual reality (forget forecasts) it that since Transition ended 1 in 3 UK Companies that had previously exported to EU have stopped doing so because it couldn't be competitive with the added cost of export Checks and paperwork These primarily smaller Companies have been starved of the ability to grow their business and in fact have had their target market slashed considerably
Please do not continue to be disingenuous and blame the EU for this appalling situation It was entirely a choosing this Government made when it withdrew from Customs Union and Single Market. UK is being treated no differently to any other Third Party Country but it did have the choice in negotiations to be treated more favourably but chose not to knowing the consequences
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 18, 2022 3:01:08 GMT
Sold as a reduction in red tape but has led to an increase in red tape and a significant decrease in exports. Chuck onto the pile that businesses have a decrease in the size of the talent pool that they can call on. The party in charge used to be the party for business that’s now laughable.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 18, 2022 6:51:49 GMT
Yet brexiteers like Mr Coke and FYD will point to record value of exports (they are only a record is you ignore inflation and the devalued pound) which completely ignores the fact that it is the small businesses who export who are suffering, and that means jobs and livelihoods lost. But Mr Coke and FYD think that is fine, so long as the really big businesses are still able to export. The collapse in trade predicted during project fear has not occurred. Naturally as the UK leaves the EU customs union, there will be winners and losers. The barrier of red tape the EU puts up to imports to protect its own market is bound to be more difficult to cope with by small traders, but it does not have to be so. For example, one small Scottish trader has experienced a boom as a result of Brexit: www.scotsman.com/business/brexit-fallout-benefits-scots-cheesemaker-as-sales-jump-by-third-3706402Talk of job losses on a significant scale is nonsense: www.gov.uk/government/news/employment-rate-remains-at-record-highI have a passionate interest in small businesses. Brexit is proving a boon. If I might lift some lines from my last Brexit quarterly report on page 1,490: During Q2 British Business Bank announced that equity investment in the UK’s smaller businesses increased in 2021 to £18.1bn, the highest yearly amount since the Beauhurst data series began in 2011. The strong momentum continued into Q1 2022, with £7.6bn of equity investment reaching smaller businesses, the highest ever amount invested in a single quarter. www.british-business-bank.co.uk/small-business-equity-tracker-2022/93 new businesses were created every hour across the UK in the first half of 2022, according to small business lender iwoca. Analysis of Companies House data revealed that over 402,000 businesses were registered in the UK between January and June 2022. London saw the highest business creation rate per capita with 1,587 new businesses per 100,000 residents, followed by the West Midlands with 571. smallbusiness.co.uk/over-90-new-businesses-being-created-every-hour-2563101/#:~:text=Despite%20the%20economic%20backdrop%2C%2093,between%20January%20and%20June%202022. Since leaving the EU, UK small businesses are booming, but this sort of good news gets little press though; it seems the media are not interested in good news. Unfortunately it is an inevitable fact that record new business will lead to record business failures as a fifth of new businesses fail in their first year and 60% within 3 years. That is the sort of news the media love to shout about, so we can expect a lot of grim news in the media, no doubt blaming Brexit. Finally you end your post by making reference to big business. Well, the European Union is all about protecting big business and stopping small businesses growing. German corporate interests dominate Brussels. COPA-COGECA dominate EU agriculture policy. The strong links between the EU countries' big businesses and Russia are currently falling apart, but they are growing ever stronger with China. Between January 2020 and December 2021, EU imports from China increased by 55.2 % ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=China-EU_-_international_trade_in_goods_statistics#:~:text=Between%20January%202020%20and%20December,EU%20countries%20increased%20by%204.4%20%25. China is Germany's major trading partner. www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economy/Foreign-Trade/_node.htmlAnyone who supports UK membership of the EU should make themselves aware of how corporate interests dominate EU policy making and the cheating that goes on: corporateeurope.org/en/power-lobbies/2018/09/corporate-capture-europeAnyone who supports UK membership of the EU should make themselves aware of the "revolving doors" between 40,000 lobbyists working in Brussels and the 60,000 EU employees. www.investigate-europe.eu/en/2021/brussels-lobby-politics/As is constantly pointed out on this MB, the UK has its fair share of corruption in government. The difference is though that the UK voters can remove them by the ballot box, or simply by the pressure of public opinion as in the case of Johnson. Since leaving the EU, project fear got the trend spot on. A downward trajectory for our economy. Project lies said nobody is talking about leaving the single market and that we would strike a deal with all the benefits of membership without actually being a member. So project fear and what remainers said would happen has largely happened, and the lies of the leave campaign you still believe (despite recession warnings) were completely wrong. You complain about various things, such as the EU protecting corporate interests. They do, just not as much as we do. See cap on banker’s bonuses and taxation of excessive profits made by oil and gas as the most recent examples. See enshrined consumer rights that we have lost. See enshrined workers rights that cannot be taken away, compared with Truss’ campaign promises to dilute them. The EU is still capitalist so protects corporations, but it doesn’t do it at the expense of workers nearly as much as we do in the UK. Voters can remove all but 28 of EU law makers out of about 700. Voters can remove less than 50% of UK law makers. Yet you moan about democracy. Everyone is reliant on China and that is a mistake we all make. The best example is shortly after Xi’s meeting with Putin he declined an invite to the Queen’s funeral. Our trade with China is up 5.5% and our brexit government is delighted because it wants to trade with China and not the EU. Small businesses are booming since brexit are they? No it has been disastrous for most who trade with the EU: www.economist.com/britain/2022/04/30/brexit-has-clobbered-smaller-businesses?utm_medium=cpc.adword.pd&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=a.22brand_pmax&utm_content=conversion.direct-response.anonymous&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8Ny3od-d-gIVoujtCh2_1giBEAAYASAAEgI9ofD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.dswww.unbiased.co.uk/life/small-business/how-has-brexit-affected-small-business-imports-and-exportsTwo thirds of small businesses say brexit makes their life harder: www.cityam.com/brexit-has-made-our-life-more-difficult-say-two-thirds-of-all-small-businesses-across-britain/?amp=1www.ft.com/content/e5432184-7109-449a-8b10-cb3a701e2226You will probably say it is all fake news and lies. But why would increasing costs, more bureaucracy and more regulations to follow be good for businesses? That is the question you fail to answer every single time. So until you explain why those are good for small businesses, you lack credibility in what you say. Deflecting to talk about germnay and china is irrelevant.
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Post by 4372 on Sept 19, 2022 5:05:23 GMT
"As is constantly pointed out on this MB,the UK has its fair share of corruption in government. The difference is though that the UK voters can remove them by the ballot box, or simply by the pressure of public opinion in the case of Johnson" (Mr Coke)
Right now, we have an unelected PM, an unelected House of Lords, and an unelected monarch.
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Post by lordb on Sept 19, 2022 7:32:07 GMT
"As is constantly pointed out on this MB,the UK has its fair share of corruption in government. The difference is though that the UK voters can remove them by the ballot box, or simply by the pressure of public opinion in the case of Johnson" (Mr Coke) Right now, we have an unelected PM, an unelected House of Lords, and an unelected monarch. The Pm was elected By about 70000 people The other 67million should be grateful
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2022 8:08:54 GMT
"As is constantly pointed out on this MB,the UK has its fair share of corruption in government. The difference is though that the UK voters can remove them by the ballot box, or simply by the pressure of public opinion in the case of Johnson" (Mr Coke) Right now, we have an unelected PM, an unelected House of Lords, and an unelected monarch. Truss was elected by her constituents, and elected leader of the Tory Party, who won the last General Election. That's our constitution. The HoL are appointed generally and have little constitutional power. They can only delay and amend Bills and are not able to vote on financial bills. Anything they do can be reversed by the House of Commons. The Lords can introduce Bills just like MPs can and have introduced many good laws. EU MEPs are not allowed to introduce bills which is exclusive to the EU Commission committed to ever closer union. The monarch is a hereditary constitutional role that has no power and its existence is supported by most of the British population. Until that is democratically changed God Save The King. _______________ I assume the three presidents of the EU will be attending the Queen's funeral today, maybe not. Remind me who they are are who elected them.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 19, 2022 8:35:30 GMT
"As is constantly pointed out on this MB,the UK has its fair share of corruption in government. The difference is though that the UK voters can remove them by the ballot box, or simply by the pressure of public opinion in the case of Johnson" (Mr Coke) Right now, we have an unelected PM, an unelected House of Lords, and an unelected monarch. Truss was elected by her constituents, and elected leader of the Tory Party, who won the last General Election. That's our constitution. The HoL are appointed generally and have little constitutional power. They can only delay and amend Bills and are not able to vote on financial bills. Anything they do can be reversed by the House of Commons. The Lords can introduce Bills just like MPs can and have introduced many good laws. EU MEPs are not allowed to introduce bills which is exclusive to the EU Commission committed to ever closer union. The monarch is a hereditary constitutional role that has no power and its existence is supported by most of the British population. Until that is democratically changed God Save The King. _______________ I assume the three presidents of the EU will be attending the Queen's funeral today, maybe not. Remind me who they are are who elected them. You gotta laugh. Unelected members of a foreign institution I don't care for - bad. Unelected members of institutions in the UK - fine.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 19, 2022 9:09:45 GMT
"As is constantly pointed out on this MB,the UK has its fair share of corruption in government. The difference is though that the UK voters can remove them by the ballot box, or simply by the pressure of public opinion in the case of Johnson" (Mr Coke) Right now, we have an unelected PM, an unelected House of Lords, and an unelected monarch. Truss was elected by her constituents, and elected leader of the Tory Party, who won the last General Election. That's our constitution. The HoL are appointed generally and have little constitutional power. They can only delay and amend Bills and are not able to vote on financial bills. Anything they do can be reversed by the House of Commons. The Lords can introduce Bills just like MPs can and have introduced many good laws. EU MEPs are not allowed to introduce bills which is exclusive to the EU Commission committed to ever closer union. The monarch is a hereditary constitutional role that has no power and its existence is supported by most of the British population. Until that is democratically changed God Save The King. _______________ I assume the three presidents of the EU will be attending the Queen's funeral today, maybe not. Remind me who they are are who elected them. 'Patriot' Jacob-Rees Mogg (the one who campaigned for Brexit yet moved his financial company from London to Dublin so he could continue trading in Europe AND not pay tax, also the same guy who got £6m from the public purse to do up his house despite being worth a couple of hundred million, the same guy who thinks holidays aren't a right, and unsurprisingly the same guy who wants to abolish a limit on hours in the working week) thinks that: “It is my view that we have moved, for better or worse, to essentially a presidential system and that therefore the mandate is personal rather than entirely party, and that any prime minister would be very well advised to seek a fresh mandate.” www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-general-election-mogg-b2000833.htmlLiz trust was not elected by the British people, absolutely no chance she would get in power. She's hopeless and controlled by the dark money at 55 Tufton Street. I personally agree that we are ruled by unelected people from Parliament, to the Lords, to the Monarchy.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 19, 2022 12:22:04 GMT
who needs food anyway ...
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2022 16:56:10 GMT
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 19, 2022 17:00:28 GMT
Im so glad we are out of the EU its so much better for the UK long term . I voted leave and I'm glad I did. Sovereignty for the UK 🇬🇧 🇬🇧
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 19, 2022 17:34:33 GMT
Hmmm, seems like our food dependency on the rest of the world will increase as a result of our own growers having to close down as a result of our growing uncompetitiveness (pun intended). You can only wonder how much extra it will cost to import food which we previously grew here in the UK, especially in light of the weak pound and the import controls the government is still too scared to introduce fully (I wonder why?) and what kind of environmental conditions will be observed in those places that are now expected to do our food growing for us?
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Post by wannabee on Sept 19, 2022 18:59:21 GMT
In Newspeak "Brexit Benefits" will morph seamlessly into "Universal Credits" as the Economy continues to Tank
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 19, 2022 20:34:19 GMT
You say the out dated business is too dependant on energy but a quick read on the vertical farms article you link states that a criticism of vertical farming is its very high demand for energy. So, a quick look here at a more balanced assessment : www.emergingtechbrew.com/stories/2022/04/21/vertical-farms-have-the-vision-but-do-they-have-the-energyIt states that the report found that "vertical farms have a significantly higher average energy use at 38.8 kWh per kg of produce compared to traditional greenhouses, which average 5.4 kWh per kg." It seems that vertical farms do offer a significant benefit on water consumption and so as suggested in the article offer real potential in countries where fresh water is truly precious.
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Post by wannabee on Sept 19, 2022 21:18:33 GMT
You say the out dated business is too dependant on energy but a quick read on the vertical farms article you link states that a criticism of vertical farming is its very high demand for energy. So, a quick look here at a more balanced assessment : www.emergingtechbrew.com/stories/2022/04/21/vertical-farms-have-the-vision-but-do-they-have-the-energyIt states that the report found that "vertical farms have a significantly higher average energy use at 38.8 kWh per kg of produce compared to traditional greenhouses, which average 5.4 kWh per kg." It seems that vertical farms do offer a significant benefit on water consumption and so as suggested in the article offer real potential in countries where fresh water is truly precious. Mr Fog please do not attempt to use logic or facts in your response to counter Mr Coke (Could this be an alternate Reservoir Dogs?) There will be no limit to the Bullshit that will be heaped upon you. For true believers in this Cult there are endless reasons why Brexit is good beyond all rational thinking or reality.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2022 22:38:07 GMT
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