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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2021 7:56:13 GMT
I would imagine the population of those three countries being around the population of france alone would have been taken into account Also there is ease of travel will have on respective numbers Thousands of miles of air travel is distinctly different to a twenty odd mile channel hop Do you think we’ll extend the arrangement to other commonwealth countries.... India, Pakistan, the West Indies, Kenya, Uganda etc? No
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Post by foster on Jan 19, 2021 7:57:00 GMT
www.euronews.com/living/2021/01/18/brexit-loophole-allows-uk-to-ignore-eu-ban-on-plastic-waste-exportsThis is the kind of thing I don't like to see. I want to see the UK at the forefront of sustainability, ESG and clean energy. Sustainability and the protection of the planet is the worlds number 1 priority at the moment. "The UK is the world’s second largest exporter of plastic waste, sending around two thirds of it to developing countries. In 2020, the month of September alone saw 6,896 metric tonnes exported from the UK to countries such as Malaysia, Pakistan, Vietnam, and Indonesia, according to the Basel Action Network (BAN). These countries don’t have the capacity or facilities to properly manage the waste, which means most of it is burned or buried. This has knock-on effects for local communities."
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 19, 2021 7:57:11 GMT
Do you think we’ll extend the arrangement to other commonwealth countries.... India, Pakistan, the West Indies, Kenya, Uganda etc? No I suspect you are right. I wonder why not.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 19, 2021 8:01:40 GMT
Interested to know why free trade and movement is ok with those countries but not the EU? I would imagine the population of those three countries being around the population of france alone would have been taken into account Also there is ease of travel will have on respective numbers Thousands of miles of air travel is distinctly different to a twenty odd mile channel hop But they're still immigrants, free to come here with no restrictions, taking British jobs...don't see the difference?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 19, 2021 8:02:27 GMT
Do you think we’ll extend the arrangement to other commonwealth countries.... India, Pakistan, the West Indies, Kenya, Uganda etc? No I wonder why not?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2021 8:02:57 GMT
I suspect you are right. I wonder why not. Probably the sheer amount of numbers
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 19, 2021 8:06:51 GMT
www.euronews.com/living/2021/01/18/brexit-loophole-allows-uk-to-ignore-eu-ban-on-plastic-waste-exportsThis is the kind of thing I don't like to see. I want to see the UK at the forefront of sustainability, ESG and clean energy. Sustainability and the protection of the planet is the worlds number 1 priority at the moment. "The UK is the world’s second largest exporter of plastic waste, sending around two thirds of it to developing countries. In 2020, the month of September alone saw 6,896 metric tonnes exported from the UK to countries such as Malaysia, Pakistan, Vietnam, and Indonesia, according to the Basel Action Network (BAN). These countries don’t have the capacity or facilities to properly manage the waste, which means most of it is burned or buried. This has knock-on effects for local communities." So far, every environmental outcome of Brexit has been a lowering of standards: bee-killing pesticides, this, an intention to lower water quality standards, building massive lorry parks, inability to ban super trawlers. If this is the direction of travel generally post-Brexit and it is sustained, it doesn't bode well in this area and in others, with workers' rights already being questioned as the next focus of attention.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 19, 2021 8:07:14 GMT
I suspect you are right. I wonder why not. Probably the sheer amount of numbers There's 70 million in Canada, Australia and NZ... Farage will be on about his swarms again if we're not careful...!
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2021 8:15:33 GMT
I would imagine the population of those three countries being around the population of france alone would have been taken into account Also there is ease of travel will have on respective numbers Thousands of miles of air travel is distinctly different to a twenty odd mile channel hop But they're still immigrants, free to come here with no restrictions, taking British jobs...don't see the difference? Neither do I But than I never had a problem with immigration from Europe in the first place
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 19, 2021 8:21:47 GMT
But they're still immigrants, free to come here with no restrictions, taking British jobs...don't see the difference? Neither do I But than I never had a problem with immigration from Europe in the first place I believe you, waga. I've never seen you say otherwise. However, you gotta laugh at a petition for free movement with "certain" Commonwealth countries but not others, while stopping immigration and free movement was a primary reason for voting Leave...the Turks and Romanians are coming.... ...no racism or xenophobia involved though...
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2021 8:25:14 GMT
Neither do I But than I never had a problem with immigration from Europe in the first place You gotta laugh at a petition for free movement with "certain" Commonwealth countries but not others, while stopping immigration and free movement was a primary reason for voting Leave...the Turks and Romanians are coming.... ...no racism or xenophobia involved though... I can’t see what the commonwealth has got to do with it The three countries mentioned all have the queen as head of state
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 19, 2021 8:27:34 GMT
www.euronews.com/living/2021/01/18/brexit-loophole-allows-uk-to-ignore-eu-ban-on-plastic-waste-exportsThis is the kind of thing I don't like to see. I want to see the UK at the forefront of sustainability, ESG and clean energy. Sustainability and the protection of the planet is the worlds number 1 priority at the moment. "The UK is the world’s second largest exporter of plastic waste, sending around two thirds of it to developing countries. In 2020, the month of September alone saw 6,896 metric tonnes exported from the UK to countries such as Malaysia, Pakistan, Vietnam, and Indonesia, according to the Basel Action Network (BAN). These countries don’t have the capacity or facilities to properly manage the waste, which means most of it is burned or buried. This has knock-on effects for local communities." Tooo right; British waste for British people. 🇬🇧 I'm definitely getting the hang of this a couple of weeks in.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 19, 2021 8:33:50 GMT
You gotta laugh at a petition for free movement with "certain" Commonwealth countries but not others, while stopping immigration and free movement was a primary reason for voting Leave...the Turks and Romanians are coming.... ...no racism or xenophobia involved though... I can’t see what the commonwealth has got to do with it The three countries mentioned all have the queen as head of state So do a number of other countries, who weren't "invited" to participate in the free movement of people in that petition
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2021 8:51:15 GMT
I can’t see what the commonwealth has got to do with it The three countries mentioned all have the queen as head of state So do a number of other countries, who weren't "invited" to participate in the free movement of people in that petition 16 in fact including the uk 17 if you want to Chuck in our chunk of Antarctica Most of them in the West Indies or pacific is quite happily lob them in the petition
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 19, 2021 9:15:30 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 19, 2021 9:47:13 GMT
www.euronews.com/living/2021/01/18/brexit-loophole-allows-uk-to-ignore-eu-ban-on-plastic-waste-exportsThis is the kind of thing I don't like to see. I want to see the UK at the forefront of sustainability, ESG and clean energy. Sustainability and the protection of the planet is the worlds number 1 priority at the moment. "The UK is the world’s second largest exporter of plastic waste, sending around two thirds of it to developing countries. In 2020, the month of September alone saw 6,896 metric tonnes exported from the UK to countries such as Malaysia, Pakistan, Vietnam, and Indonesia, according to the Basel Action Network (BAN). These countries don’t have the capacity or facilities to properly manage the waste, which means most of it is burned or buried. This has knock-on effects for local communities." So far, every environmental outcome of Brexit has been a lowering of standards: bee-killing pesticides, this, an intention to lower water quality standards, building massive lorry parks, inability to ban super trawlers. If this is the direction of travel generally post-Brexit and it is sustained, it doesn't bode well in this area and in others, with workers' rights already being questioned as the next focus of attention. You’re talking about those bee killing pesticides that are used in France, Spain, Belgium and Denmark?
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 19, 2021 9:47:14 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 19, 2021 10:15:07 GMT
Interested to know why free trade and movement is ok with those countries but not the EU? I don't know whether you really don't "get it", or being deliberately obtuse, or just trying to be a wind up merchant now that Brexit has happened. There is all the world difference between a trade association, or "free movement" treaties between individual sovereign countries, which they can readily withdraw from, than the political union of the European Union, with a huge bureaucracy, parliament, council of ministers, Court of Justice etc., etc. I repeat again the words of one of the founding fathers of European unity: “Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.”
― Jean Monnet, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_MonnetI strongly supported the UK joining the EEC in the 1970's although many opposed it due to loss of sovereignty, inefficiency like CAP, etc. but I believed the benefits would outweigh the disadvantages and as members the UK could influence policy. I was wrong. Despite Thatcher's efforts to balance the budget with the rebate and push for true free trade, the EU is driven by the Brussels bureaucracy towards closer union, loss of democracy and freedom by individual countries, corruption by corporate interests, misappropriation of funds by east European states, destruction of the economies of southern Europe, and as David Cameron found the UK having absolutely no influence on policy. The formation of the European Union at Maastricht in 1992 was a huge turning point with the establishment of European citizenship followed by further steps to increase control of the law of Europe from Brussels. The EU is a corrupt organization, over which its citizens have no influence, the European Parliament being purely a rubber stamping organization for legislation drafted by the Commission, all in one direction of moving towards a super state.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2021 10:15:22 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 19, 2021 10:23:05 GMT
An puerile article written by a bitter loser. We are 19 days into freedom from EU rule, see where we are in 19 weeks, 19 months, and 19 years. All the Remainers talk about is fish, the same people who said it was an insignificant part of the UK economy a few months ago. The problems will be resolved in time, when people have taken their "silly hats" off and realise it is to the mutual benefit of all parties to sort it out sensibly.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2021 10:32:03 GMT
An puerile article written by a bitter loser. We are 19 days into freedom from EU rule, see where we are in 19 weeks, 19 months, and 19 years. All the Remainers talk about is fish, the same people who said it was an insignificant part of the UK economy a few months ago. The problems will be resolved in time, when people have taken their "silly hats" off and realise it is to the mutual benefit of all parties to sort it out sensibly. It’s quiet amazing how fishing wasn’t worth not getting a deal Now they’ve got a deal fishing its there number one preoccupation I’ve no doubt as soon as another excuse to whinge than crustaceans will pale into insignificance
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 19, 2021 10:49:13 GMT
An puerile article written by a bitter loser. We are 19 days into freedom from EU rule, see where we are in 19 weeks, 19 months, and 19 years. All the Remainers talk about is fish, the same people who said it was an insignificant part of the UK economy a few months ago. The problems will be resolved in time, when people have taken their "silly hats" off and realise it is to the mutual benefit of all parties to sort it out sensibly. It’s quiet amazing how fishing wasn’t worth not getting a deal Now they’ve got a deal fishing its there number one preoccupation I’ve no doubt as soon as another excuse to whinge than crustaceans will pale into insignificance Surely the turnaround on the Remain side is as amazing as the turnaround on the Leave side? Both now hold completely opposite views than they held this time last month.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 19, 2021 10:51:28 GMT
An puerile article written by a bitter loser. We are 19 days into freedom from EU rule, see where we are in 19 weeks, 19 months, and 19 years. All the Remainers talk about is fish, the same people who said it was an insignificant part of the UK economy a few months ago. The problems will be resolved in time, when people have taken their "silly hats" off and realise it is to the mutual benefit of all parties to sort it out sensibly. Yeah but no but yeah but no but yeah bu.......oh FUCK OFF !
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 19, 2021 10:54:09 GMT
An puerile article written by a bitter loser. We are 19 days into freedom from EU rule, see where we are in 19 weeks, 19 months, and 19 years. All the Remainers talk about is fish, the same people who said it was an insignificant part of the UK economy a few months ago. The problems will be resolved in time, when people have taken their "silly hats" off and realise it is to the mutual benefit of all parties to sort it out sensibly. And if it's too late for the businesses affected?
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 19, 2021 11:02:19 GMT
All the Remainers talk about is fish, the same people who said it was an insignificant part of the UK economy a few months ago. The problems will be resolved in time, when people have taken their "silly hats" off and realise it is to the mutual benefit of all parties to sort it out sensibly. You don't seem to have read the whole of the article.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 19, 2021 11:22:39 GMT
It’s quiet amazing how fishing wasn’t worth not getting a deal Now they’ve got a deal fishing its there number one preoccupation I’ve no doubt as soon as another excuse to whinge than crustaceans will pale into insignificance Surely the turnaround on the Remain side is as amazing as the turnaround on the Leave side? Both now hold completely opposite views than they held this time last month. There is no turnaround on my part. I fully expected all sorts of problems leaving a customs union the UK has been part of for 40 years. Apart from the technical/red tape issues, there are those who want to make a point, those who want it to fail, those who want to punish the UK for destroying the European unity dream, etc. If the UK government had got a deal the fishing industry would have been happy with, there would have been wholesale fishing war with French, Dutch, and Belgian fishermen, and possible loss of lives. We had problems when we joined the EU like the sugar crisis. At that time most of the problems were suffered by the Commonwealth countries who suddenly found they had tariff and quota barriers to contend with. We are now free to develop free trade with the world's rapidly growing economies. It will take years for the country to adjust to the change, but probably not as long as people think. One thing about change is, as time goes on, the world changes faster. It took about a decade to recover from the second world war and from the 2008 economic crisis. I expect it will take less than a decade to recover from the pandemic and leaving the EU, assuming there is not another world crisis. I fully expect that by then the UK will be far better placed than the EU countries, the EU will represent less than 10% of the world economy, which will be dominated by China, India, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico, and Brazil, with the USA still in there punching. We saw the collapse of the UK fishing industry when the UK joined the EU. The current problems are largely because all parties were not prepared for the change, and as I said above, some people are seeking to "make a point". The problems will be overcome and the fishing industry will reverse the downward spiral it has been in for the last four decades.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 19, 2021 11:30:36 GMT
All the Remainers talk about is fish, the same people who said it was an insignificant part of the UK economy a few months ago. The problems will be resolved in time, when people have taken their "silly hats" off and realise it is to the mutual benefit of all parties to sort it out sensibly. You don't seem to have read the whole of the article. I was referring to remainers on this MB. The article is a childish rant by someone who lost the argument about EU membership. Obviously there are downsides to leaving, what would ever have been the point of being a member. There were advantages in joining in the 1970s for the UK, but the world has moved on. Since the start of the millennium, the UK would be far better placed in the world market like most of the rapidly growing economies, than trapped in a slow growing European customs union and the Eurozone.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 19, 2021 11:54:53 GMT
So do a number of other countries, who weren't "invited" to participate in the free movement of people in that petition 16 in fact including the uk 17 if you want to Chuck in our chunk of Antarctica Most of them in the West Indies or pacific is quite happily lob them in the petition We already tried that - and Theresa May and Priti Patel have made it their life's work to make the Windrush generation feel about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit, to quote Billy Connolly. I suspect this is why they might have been excluded from that petition...! Can't think of any other reason
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 19, 2021 11:59:36 GMT
An puerile article written by a bitter loser. We are 19 days into freedom from EU rule, see where we are in 19 weeks, 19 months, and 19 years. All the Remainers talk about is fish, the same people who said it was an insignificant part of the UK economy a few months ago. The problems will be resolved in time, when people have taken their "silly hats" off and realise it is to the mutual benefit of all parties to sort it out sensibly. Yes, all bad parts of brexit should just be ignored! Why? The article talks about a lot more than fish. Brexit has been bad, so far. We cannot judge 19 months time yet. We can only judge what has happened so far.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 19, 2021 12:02:09 GMT
An puerile article written by a bitter loser. We are 19 days into freedom from EU rule, see where we are in 19 weeks, 19 months, and 19 years. All the Remainers talk about is fish, the same people who said it was an insignificant part of the UK economy a few months ago. The problems will be resolved in time, when people have taken their "silly hats" off and realise it is to the mutual benefit of all parties to sort it out sensibly. It’s quiet amazing how fishing wasn’t worth not getting a deal Now they’ve got a deal fishing its there number one preoccupation I’ve no doubt as soon as another excuse to whinge than crustaceans will pale into insignificance The point about fish is that this was one of the very last remaining obstacles to achieving a deal which Leavers and Brexiteers held up as some kind of standard-bearer for political freedom, sovereignty and the entire point of Brexit, despite the fact that most others pointed out the tiny impact fishing has economically. So, given this critical strategic importance of securing an acceptable fishing deal several weeks ago, the fact that UK fishermen are now furious about the deal that was struck, are protesting in London and landing their catch abroad or seeing it rot on UK harbour walls, is nothing if not ironic! Seems a perfectly reasonable continuation of people's desire to see how things pan out post Brexit and as a consequence of Bluffer's deal. The flipside is people wanting everyone to ignore all the impacts and pretend everything's going great...but I agree let's continue to see what it all means 19 weeks, months, years down the line, rathet than saying let it go, get over it and all the other genuinely puerile stuff...
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