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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 14, 2021 8:20:35 GMT
After decades of being in the EU, we are 14 days into being out.... Have some perspective.... Agreed, although it is one of the chief Brexit headbangers in the article we need to be judging this a bit further down the line, even if it's been a utterly predictable shitshow of a start. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2021 9:05:23 GMT
Not really. Addressing the Irish border question was always going to be problematic particularly since the 2017 election when May lost all her negotiating power and the EU took advantage by digging their heels in over Ireland. The amended withdrawal agreement Johnson eventually secured was a poor compromise - from the UK perspective - but was more than anyone thought he would get. It was better than May’s “backstop”, but still not good in absolute terms. That agreement, you may recall, was what was behind the “limited but specific breaking international law” stushie a few months back. It’s no surprise, therefore, that some people will complain about it. Because there are good cause for complaints. As there will be with many aspects of Brexit which will not satisfy people on both sides of the debate. And fair enough - so long as the complaints don’t drift into whining for something lost as opposed to creating something better for the future. Sorry to say, but Hoey’s piece seems like a bout of whining. It would have been judicious of Kate 'Brexit' Hoey to voice her concerns or inform the electorate of the issue a little earlier than 13 days after the event wouldn't it? |
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 14, 2021 9:38:30 GMT
After decades of being in the EU, we are 14 days into being out.... Have some perspective.... The EU Remainers will continue to clutch for every reason they can find why the UK should have remained under EU regulation. The last few posts "complain" about problems that have occurred because the EU refused for 4 years of negotiating to give the UK sovereignty until the very last moment. So it is hardly surprising people are caught out by the changes in rules. The EU put a stranglehold on trade into Northern Ireland which the government tried to address by introducing the custom provisions in the Internal Market Bill, but the Remainers said this would contravene the Northern Ireland protocol and "break international law", so the government backed off, not wanting to upset Biden & Co., but that has left NI in a mess, due to EU intransigence. You correctly point out, we have only just left the EU. What Remainers are blind to is the failure of the EU to address its shortfalls after decades of mismanagement such as the CAP. capreform.eu/the-uk-milk-crisis-fact-or-fiction/The Remainers fail to see the destruction the Euro is doing to countries like Italy and Greece. www.neweurope.eu/article/will-italy-destroy-the-eurozone/ (NB This pre-pandemic, since which things have got much worse.) But the EU is obsessed with central control and the march towards a super federal state. The EU will stamp on the independence of individual nations. Some Remainers say the UK is alone and isolated. They should look at the economies of the world and ask themselves which ones are alone and isolated and which ones are actually better off being in the EU. Plus which countries are going up in the list and which countries are going down in the list. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)Then there is the question of corrupt and incompetent politicians. Good news, we can now actually get rid of the ones who make and administer the UK law, and we can stop pouring our money into a corrupt organization. www.greens-efa.eu/en/article/document/the-costs-of-corruption-across-the-european-union/It will take some years to adjust and build a new future, but future generations will see the benefit. I confidently predict the UK economy will outstrip the EU very soon. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2021 9:44:36 GMT
After decades of being in the EU, we are 14 days into being out.... Have some perspective.... The EU Remainers will continue to clutch for every reason they can find why the UK should have remained under EU regulation. The last few posts "complain" about problems that have occurred because the EU refused for 4 years of negotiating to give the UK sovereignty until the very last moment. So it is hardly surprising people are caught out by the changes in rules. The EU put a stranglehold on trade into Northern Ireland which the government tried to address by introducing the custom provisions in the Internal Market Bill, but the Remainers said this would contravene the Northern Ireland protocol and "break international law", so the government backed off, not wanting to upset Biden & Co., but that has left NI in a mess, due to EU intransigence. You correctly point out, we have only just left the EU. What Remainers are blind to is the failure of the EU to address its shortfalls after decades of mismanagement such as the CAP. capreform.eu/the-uk-milk-crisis-fact-or-fiction/The Remainers fail to see the destruction the Euro is doing to countries like Italy and Greece. www.neweurope.eu/article/will-italy-destroy-the-eurozone/ (NB This pre-pandemic, since which things have got much worse.) But the EU is obsessed with central control and the march towards a super federal state. The EU will stamp on the independence of individual nations. Some Remainers say the UK is alone and isolated. They should look at the economies of the world and ask themselves which ones are alone and isolated and which ones are actually better off being in the EU. Plus which countries are going up in the list and which countries are going down in the list. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)Then there is the question of corrupt and incompetent politicians. Good news, we can now actually get rid of the ones who make and administer the UK law, and we can stop pouring our money into a corrupt organization. www.greens-efa.eu/en/article/document/the-costs-of-corruption-across-the-european-union/It will take some years to adjust and build a new future, but future generations will see the benefit. I confidently predict the UK economy will outstrip the EU very soon. She is one of the leading Brexiteers of the age. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 14, 2021 9:46:02 GMT
Not really. Addressing the Irish border question was always going to be problematic particularly since the 2017 election when May lost all her negotiating power and the EU took advantage by digging their heels in over Ireland. The amended withdrawal agreement Johnson eventually secured was a poor compromise - from the UK perspective - but was more than anyone thought he would get. It was better than May’s “backstop”, but still not good in absolute terms. That agreement, you may recall, was what was behind the “limited but specific breaking international law” stushie a few months back. It’s no surprise, therefore, that some people will complain about it. Because there are good cause for complaints. As there will be with many aspects of Brexit which will not satisfy people on both sides of the debate. And fair enough - so long as the complaints don’t drift into whining for something lost as opposed to creating something better for the future. Sorry to say, but Hoey’s piece seems like a bout of whining. It would have been judicious of Kate 'Brexit' Hoey to voice her concerns or inform the electorate of the issue a little earlier than 13 days after the event wouldn't it? Yeah. Maybe she felt now is the right time. I’m not really bothered. What concerns me is folk looking to move forward not backward. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2021 9:54:18 GMT
It would have been judicious of Kate 'Brexit' Hoey to voice her concerns or inform the electorate of the issue a little earlier than 13 days after the event wouldn't it? Yeah. Maybe she felt now is the right time. I’m not really bothered. What concerns me is folk looking to move forward not backward. It's all part of the same sense of chaos and shambles though isn't it, where a few months ago, Johnson was 'surprised' at what his own Withdrawal Agreement (that he cynically won an election on) said and had to threaten to break the law to disagree with himself! |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 14, 2021 10:04:00 GMT
Yeah. Maybe she felt now is the right time. I’m not really bothered. What concerns me is folk looking to move forward not backward. It's all part of the same sense of chaos and shambles though isn't it, where a few months ago, Johnson was 'surprised' at what his own Withdrawal Agreement (that he cynically won an election on) said and had to threaten to break the law to disagree with himself! Well it’s time for a zoom meeting of the 1922 committee And thank boris for delivering a near landslide And remind him he’ll go down in history as the man who delivered brexit Then slip the blade in remove the bumbling buffoon and get the country run in a coherent manner |
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 14, 2021 10:57:05 GMT
Are you expecting all those who dismissed it as a rubbish deal within seconds of it being announced to resign too just for fairness. Incidentially if she had read it before would you have expected the deal to be unsigned if she raised objections or do you think no matter what the deal was getting signed. |
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 14, 2021 11:04:17 GMT
The hold up is checks in scotland before they leave luckily we know the snp administration would not cause deliberate hold ups to foster a grievance. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 14, 2021 12:31:42 GMT
We currently have 50/60 trailers sat loaded in various North West depots that we've been unable to send over the Irish Sea because of delays, we've subsequently had to send drivers over empty to collect contracted work at a cost of around £30k so far. Hopefully the backlog will subside and things will get back to normal, it will need to as logistics companies will simply move their focus elsewhere as the small margin that we make is based on us delivering and reloading, plus any haulier cannot have that amount of trailers tied up on a regular basis without impacting the rest of their operation......
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 14, 2021 12:41:34 GMT
The hold up is checks in scotland before they leave luckily we know the snp administration would not cause deliberate hold ups to foster a grievance. Oh, that's a pedigree example of right-wing "always somebody else's fault" in action there, especially impressive given the complete supposition and lack of supporting evidence, bravo, FYD  Lack of evidence never matters really, it's the deflection of blame onto someone else that counts! |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 14, 2021 12:45:53 GMT
We currently have 50/60 trailers sat loaded in various North West depots that we've been unable to send over the Irish Sea because of delays, we've subsequently had to send drivers over empty to collect contracted work at a cost of around £30k so far. Hopefully the backlog will subside and things will get back to normal, it will need to as logistics companies will simply move their focus elsewhere as the small margin that we make is based on us delivering and reloading, plus any haulier cannot have that amount of trailers tied up on a regular basis without impacting the rest of their operation...... It will settle down eventually, as firms become better at dealing with the mountain of additional red tape. It'll have to. My mate in car parts logistics has been going nuts over Christmas and New Year trying to manage his firm's "just in time" logistics operation. The next point of interest will probably be around the casual employment market previously taken up by Europeans... if Covid is in hand by late Spring, the hospitality and farming sectors will be the ones to keep an eye on. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 14, 2021 12:51:26 GMT
We currently have 50/60 trailers sat loaded in various North West depots that we've been unable to send over the Irish Sea because of delays, we've subsequently had to send drivers over empty to collect contracted work at a cost of around £30k so far. Hopefully the backlog will subside and things will get back to normal, it will need to as logistics companies will simply move their focus elsewhere as the small margin that we make is based on us delivering and reloading, plus any haulier cannot have that amount of trailers tied up on a regular basis without impacting the rest of their operation...... It will settle down eventually, as firms become better at dealing with the mountain of additional red tape. It'll have to. My mate in car parts logistics has been going nuts over Christmas and New Year trying to manage his firm's "just in time" logistics operation. The next point of interest will probably be around the casual employment market previously taken up by Europeans... if Covid is in hand by late Spring, the hospitality and farming sectors will be the ones to keep an eye on. It will have to settle down, for companies like ours if it doesn't we'll just move our focus elsewhere. That's the reality of the situation..... |
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 14, 2021 13:09:18 GMT
Has anybody actually read it? .....I'm beginning to think not, especially those who cobbled it together last minute. |
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Post by muggleton on Jan 14, 2021 13:19:14 GMT
It will settle down eventually, as firms become better at dealing with the mountain of additional red tape. It'll have to. My mate in car parts logistics has been going nuts over Christmas and New Year trying to manage his firm's "just in time" logistics operation. The next point of interest will probably be around the casual employment market previously taken up by Europeans... if Covid is in hand by late Spring, the hospitality and farming sectors will be the ones to keep an eye on. It will have to settle down, for companies like ours if it doesn't we'll just move our focus elsewhere. That's the reality of the situation..... The new normal will be significantly more complicated and costly, so less competitive, than the old normal. Then individual companies will make practical changes to their business model to stay afloat. From an NI perspective, where I come from, supply chains are rapidly reconfiguring towards direct ferries to France due to the ball ache of going through GB. |
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 14, 2021 13:19:52 GMT
The hold up is checks in scotland before they leave luckily we know the snp administration would not cause deliberate hold ups to foster a grievance. Shocked I am  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2021 13:39:15 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 14, 2021 13:54:36 GMT
Still trying to score points I see..... If its just as bad in 5 years then you can post this nonsense..... Not 14 days - thats just pathetic mate |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2021 13:59:32 GMT
Still trying to score points I see..... If its just as bad in 5 years then you can post this nonsense..... Not 14 days - thats just pathetic mate I think you'll find I back the view of one of the leading Brexiteers of the age on this one and you're telling her to stop whining mate |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 14, 2021 14:08:37 GMT
Still trying to score points I see..... If its just as bad in 5 years then you can post this nonsense..... Not 14 days - thats just pathetic mate I think you'll find I back the view of one of the leading Brexiteers of the age on this one and you're telling her to stop whining mate As long as the government and Brexit make you angry and gets your back up mate Im happy ! It makes light reading.. Every cloud n all that.... |
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 14, 2021 14:10:14 GMT
Still trying to score points I see..... If its just as bad in 5 years then you can post this nonsense..... Not 14 days - thats just pathetic mate That is surely a very relevant article as it clearly lays out the motivations and political thinking of the person who actually posted the said Twitter message? Can you explain what distinguishes that as point scoring compared to the twitter post? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 14, 2021 21:20:13 GMT
The hold up is checks in scotland before they leave luckily we know the snp administration would not cause deliberate hold ups to foster a grievance. Shocked I am Ah well, I stand corrected! If arch Brexiteer Daniel Hannan, ex Tory MP and author of Vote Leave, says it's the Scots' being deliberately unhelpful, rather than the impact of all the new Brexit red tape, that's good enough for me  Piss-taking of FYD aside, let's read the article that Hannan based his completely unbiased opinion on and ask yer actual on the ground fish exporter: Fish exporters said the introduction of health certificates, customs declarations and other paperwork was making them unviable.
David Noble, whose Aegirfish buys from Scottish fleets to export to Europe, said he would have to pay between £500 to £600 per day for paperwork, wiping out most profit.
His concern is that this marks more than just teething problems, and says he cannot pass on the higher costs of doing business.
“I’m questioning whether to carry on,” he told the Reuters news agency on Friday. “If our fish is too expensive our customers will buy elsewhere.”
A seafood industries leader claimed there were still widespread problems at the French ports.
Donna Fordyce, chief executive of Seafood Scotland, said: “The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation.Yep, all the SNP's fault |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 7:42:30 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 15, 2021 8:25:38 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 9:27:32 GMT
Steady on though, Dave, perhaps we're being unfair. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I have every confidence that this government will put the rights of ordinary workers before, I don't know, say, a big business owner who's paid £250,000 for lunch with the Business Secretary. I'm struggling to think of a recent example where a billionaire publisher might have inadvertently saved himself £40 million by dodging a responsibility to fund affordable housing for ordinary folk by having a quiet lunch with the Planning Minister and bunging the Tories £12,000 two weeks before the decision was taken. Nope, not coming back to me at all... |
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 15, 2021 11:06:35 GMT
Steady on though, Dave, perhaps we're being unfair. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I have every confidence that this government will put the rights of ordinary workers before, I don't know, say, a big business owner who's paid £250,000 for lunch with the Business Secretary. I'm struggling to think of a recent example where a billionaire publisher might have inadvertently saved himself £40 million by dodging a responsibility to fund affordable housing for ordinary folk by having a quiet lunch with the Planning Minister and bunging the Tories £12,000 two weeks before the decision was taken. Nope, not coming back to me at all... I think you are posting on the wrong thread; government corruption is on another thread. Just pause and think for a moment. Now we have voted in a government to deliver Brexit, we can now get rid of them and vote in a government that will deliver workers rights better than the EU regulations. That's what sovereignty means; our own government can make our own employment law, and we can be better than the EU. We could all vote Lib Dem and introduce PR. We could all vote Green and save the planet. The Lib Dems and Greens would take us back into the EU though, on EU terms (no rebate, join the Euro, financial assistance to Italy, Greece, etc.) |
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Post by Northy on Jan 15, 2021 11:30:43 GMT
from the link, not from Daniel Hannan Checks in Scotland are performed by Scottish Government agencies, and Jimmy Buchan of the Scottish Seafood Association said that a check that should take no more than one hour “is taking nearly five hours.” He added: “The problem is definitely in Scotland, at the hubs prior to dispatch. It’s the one thing that we have continuously asked Government, are they ready? They kept asking us, were we ready? And we are ready, but it appears that Government are not.” |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 13:42:17 GMT
from the link, not from Daniel Hannan Checks in Scotland are performed by Scottish Government agencies, and Jimmy Buchan of the Scottish Seafood Association said that a check that should take no more than one hour “is taking nearly five hours.” He added: “The problem is definitely in Scotland, at the hubs prior to dispatch. It’s the one thing that we have continuously asked Government, are they ready? They kept asking us, were we ready? And we are ready, but it appears that Government are not.” Yeah, perhaps the Scottish government was waiting for advice from Central Government on what Brexit was going to mean for fishing, based on whether a deal would be forthcoming or not, which we didn't know until Christmas! So yeah, probably not ready for something where no-one knew how it was going to actually turn out until the last minute! |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 13:53:00 GMT
Steady on though, Dave, perhaps we're being unfair. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I have every confidence that this government will put the rights of ordinary workers before, I don't know, say, a big business owner who's paid £250,000 for lunch with the Business Secretary. I'm struggling to think of a recent example where a billionaire publisher might have inadvertently saved himself £40 million by dodging a responsibility to fund affordable housing for ordinary folk by having a quiet lunch with the Planning Minister and bunging the Tories £12,000 two weeks before the decision was taken. Nope, not coming back to me at all... I think you are posting on the wrong thread; government corruption is on another thread. Just pause and think for a moment. Now we have voted in a government to deliver Brexit, we can now get rid of them and vote in a government that will deliver workers rights better than the EU regulations. That's what sovereignty means; our own government can make our own employment law, and we can be better than the EU. We could all vote Lib Dem and introduce PR. We could all vote Green and save the planet. The Lib Dems and Greens would take us back into the EU though, on EU terms (no rebate, join the Euro, financial assistance to Italy, Greece, etc.) The example of Jenrick was just an indication of the way our current government 'protects' the ordinary worker/person so let's hope we're all pleasantly surprised when they prove to go above and beyond the current workers' protection rights, now we're free from EU interference in issuing directives to stop people from being required to work too long. Strange that the unions have similarly expressed alarm about this, but maybe they've got nothing to fear from a free-market championing government which has already ignored a pledge to uphold a ban on neonicotinoid pesticides and signalled a desire to reduce water quality controls. Wasn't it always the case that we were able to go above and beyond what the EU directive required anyway? Almost all the directives I've seen set minimum requirements for member states to achieve. Wonder why we never did? But yes, perhaps we'll collectively realise that we want to go beyond EU Directives and vote accordingly to demand even better standards, rather than shrugging, letting it all go and keep on sticking to the same old voting patterns, you never know... |
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 15, 2021 14:14:07 GMT
Steady on though, Dave, perhaps we're being unfair. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I have every confidence that this government will put the rights of ordinary workers before, I don't know, say, a big business owner who's paid £250,000 for lunch with the Business Secretary. I'm struggling to think of a recent example where a billionaire publisher might have inadvertently saved himself £40 million by dodging a responsibility to fund affordable housing for ordinary folk by having a quiet lunch with the Planning Minister and bunging the Tories £12,000 two weeks before the decision was taken. Nope, not coming back to me at all... I think you are posting on the wrong thread; government corruption is on another thread. Just pause and think for a moment. Now we have voted in a government to deliver Brexit, we can now get rid of them and vote in a government that will deliver workers rights better than the EU regulations. That's what sovereignty means; our own government can make our own employment law, and we can be better than the EU. We could all vote Lib Dem and introduce PR. We could all vote Green and save the planet. The Lib Dems and Greens would take us back into the EU though, on EU terms (no rebate, join the Euro, financial assistance to Italy, Greece, etc.) Absolutely correct it's also a bit laughable people think the EU working time directive actually does anything useful, any self employed person opts out as time is literally money for them, anyone in any sort of senior management position is expected to opt out as part of their employment contract. For all other people the 48 hour week is averaged over a 17 week period so how many jobs that aren't already covered by the exemptions do you think would require someone for more 6 days a week or 10 hours a day for 5 days a week. |
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