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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2021 13:39:15 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 14, 2021 13:54:36 GMT
Still trying to score points I see..... If its just as bad in 5 years then you can post this nonsense..... Not 14 days - thats just pathetic mate
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2021 13:59:32 GMT
Still trying to score points I see..... If its just as bad in 5 years then you can post this nonsense..... Not 14 days - thats just pathetic mate I think you'll find I back the view of one of the leading Brexiteers of the age on this one and you're telling her to stop whining mate
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 14, 2021 14:08:37 GMT
Still trying to score points I see..... If its just as bad in 5 years then you can post this nonsense..... Not 14 days - thats just pathetic mate I think you'll find I back the view of one of the leading Brexiteers of the age on this one and you're telling her to stop whining mate As long as the government and Brexit make you angry and gets your back up mate Im happy ! It makes light reading.. Every cloud n all that....
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 14, 2021 14:10:14 GMT
Still trying to score points I see..... If its just as bad in 5 years then you can post this nonsense..... Not 14 days - thats just pathetic mate That is surely a very relevant article as it clearly lays out the motivations and political thinking of the person who actually posted the said Twitter message? Can you explain what distinguishes that as point scoring compared to the twitter post?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 14, 2021 21:20:13 GMT
The hold up is checks in scotland before they leave luckily we know the snp administration would not cause deliberate hold ups to foster a grievance. Shocked I am Ah well, I stand corrected! If arch Brexiteer Daniel Hannan, ex Tory MP and author of Vote Leave, says it's the Scots' being deliberately unhelpful, rather than the impact of all the new Brexit red tape, that's good enough for me Piss-taking of FYD aside, let's read the article that Hannan based his completely unbiased opinion on and ask yer actual on the ground fish exporter: Fish exporters said the introduction of health certificates, customs declarations and other paperwork was making them unviable.
David Noble, whose Aegirfish buys from Scottish fleets to export to Europe, said he would have to pay between £500 to £600 per day for paperwork, wiping out most profit.
His concern is that this marks more than just teething problems, and says he cannot pass on the higher costs of doing business.
“I’m questioning whether to carry on,” he told the Reuters news agency on Friday. “If our fish is too expensive our customers will buy elsewhere.”
A seafood industries leader claimed there were still widespread problems at the French ports.
Donna Fordyce, chief executive of Seafood Scotland, said: “The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation.Yep, all the SNP's fault
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 7:42:30 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 15, 2021 8:25:38 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 9:27:32 GMT
Steady on though, Dave, perhaps we're being unfair. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I have every confidence that this government will put the rights of ordinary workers before, I don't know, say, a big business owner who's paid £250,000 for lunch with the Business Secretary. I'm struggling to think of a recent example where a billionaire publisher might have inadvertently saved himself £40 million by dodging a responsibility to fund affordable housing for ordinary folk by having a quiet lunch with the Planning Minister and bunging the Tories £12,000 two weeks before the decision was taken. Nope, not coming back to me at all...
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 15, 2021 11:06:35 GMT
Steady on though, Dave, perhaps we're being unfair. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I have every confidence that this government will put the rights of ordinary workers before, I don't know, say, a big business owner who's paid £250,000 for lunch with the Business Secretary. I'm struggling to think of a recent example where a billionaire publisher might have inadvertently saved himself £40 million by dodging a responsibility to fund affordable housing for ordinary folk by having a quiet lunch with the Planning Minister and bunging the Tories £12,000 two weeks before the decision was taken. Nope, not coming back to me at all... I think you are posting on the wrong thread; government corruption is on another thread. Just pause and think for a moment. Now we have voted in a government to deliver Brexit, we can now get rid of them and vote in a government that will deliver workers rights better than the EU regulations. That's what sovereignty means; our own government can make our own employment law, and we can be better than the EU. We could all vote Lib Dem and introduce PR. We could all vote Green and save the planet. The Lib Dems and Greens would take us back into the EU though, on EU terms (no rebate, join the Euro, financial assistance to Italy, Greece, etc.)
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Post by Northy on Jan 15, 2021 11:30:43 GMT
from the link, not from Daniel Hannan Checks in Scotland are performed by Scottish Government agencies, and Jimmy Buchan of the Scottish Seafood Association said that a check that should take no more than one hour “is taking nearly five hours.” He added: “The problem is definitely in Scotland, at the hubs prior to dispatch. It’s the one thing that we have continuously asked Government, are they ready? They kept asking us, were we ready? And we are ready, but it appears that Government are not.”
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 13:42:17 GMT
from the link, not from Daniel Hannan Checks in Scotland are performed by Scottish Government agencies, and Jimmy Buchan of the Scottish Seafood Association said that a check that should take no more than one hour “is taking nearly five hours.” He added: “The problem is definitely in Scotland, at the hubs prior to dispatch. It’s the one thing that we have continuously asked Government, are they ready? They kept asking us, were we ready? And we are ready, but it appears that Government are not.” Yeah, perhaps the Scottish government was waiting for advice from Central Government on what Brexit was going to mean for fishing, based on whether a deal would be forthcoming or not, which we didn't know until Christmas! So yeah, probably not ready for something where no-one knew how it was going to actually turn out until the last minute!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 13:53:00 GMT
Steady on though, Dave, perhaps we're being unfair. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I have every confidence that this government will put the rights of ordinary workers before, I don't know, say, a big business owner who's paid £250,000 for lunch with the Business Secretary. I'm struggling to think of a recent example where a billionaire publisher might have inadvertently saved himself £40 million by dodging a responsibility to fund affordable housing for ordinary folk by having a quiet lunch with the Planning Minister and bunging the Tories £12,000 two weeks before the decision was taken. Nope, not coming back to me at all... I think you are posting on the wrong thread; government corruption is on another thread. Just pause and think for a moment. Now we have voted in a government to deliver Brexit, we can now get rid of them and vote in a government that will deliver workers rights better than the EU regulations. That's what sovereignty means; our own government can make our own employment law, and we can be better than the EU. We could all vote Lib Dem and introduce PR. We could all vote Green and save the planet. The Lib Dems and Greens would take us back into the EU though, on EU terms (no rebate, join the Euro, financial assistance to Italy, Greece, etc.) The example of Jenrick was just an indication of the way our current government 'protects' the ordinary worker/person so let's hope we're all pleasantly surprised when they prove to go above and beyond the current workers' protection rights, now we're free from EU interference in issuing directives to stop people from being required to work too long. Strange that the unions have similarly expressed alarm about this, but maybe they've got nothing to fear from a free-market championing government which has already ignored a pledge to uphold a ban on neonicotinoid pesticides and signalled a desire to reduce water quality controls. Wasn't it always the case that we were able to go above and beyond what the EU directive required anyway? Almost all the directives I've seen set minimum requirements for member states to achieve. Wonder why we never did? But yes, perhaps we'll collectively realise that we want to go beyond EU Directives and vote accordingly to demand even better standards, rather than shrugging, letting it all go and keep on sticking to the same old voting patterns, you never know...
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 15, 2021 14:14:07 GMT
Steady on though, Dave, perhaps we're being unfair. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I have every confidence that this government will put the rights of ordinary workers before, I don't know, say, a big business owner who's paid £250,000 for lunch with the Business Secretary. I'm struggling to think of a recent example where a billionaire publisher might have inadvertently saved himself £40 million by dodging a responsibility to fund affordable housing for ordinary folk by having a quiet lunch with the Planning Minister and bunging the Tories £12,000 two weeks before the decision was taken. Nope, not coming back to me at all... I think you are posting on the wrong thread; government corruption is on another thread. Just pause and think for a moment. Now we have voted in a government to deliver Brexit, we can now get rid of them and vote in a government that will deliver workers rights better than the EU regulations. That's what sovereignty means; our own government can make our own employment law, and we can be better than the EU. We could all vote Lib Dem and introduce PR. We could all vote Green and save the planet. The Lib Dems and Greens would take us back into the EU though, on EU terms (no rebate, join the Euro, financial assistance to Italy, Greece, etc.) Absolutely correct it's also a bit laughable people think the EU working time directive actually does anything useful, any self employed person opts out as time is literally money for them, anyone in any sort of senior management position is expected to opt out as part of their employment contract. For all other people the 48 hour week is averaged over a 17 week period so how many jobs that aren't already covered by the exemptions do you think would require someone for more 6 days a week or 10 hours a day for 5 days a week.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 14:31:41 GMT
I think you are posting on the wrong thread; government corruption is on another thread. Just pause and think for a moment. Now we have voted in a government to deliver Brexit, we can now get rid of them and vote in a government that will deliver workers rights better than the EU regulations. That's what sovereignty means; our own government can make our own employment law, and we can be better than the EU. We could all vote Lib Dem and introduce PR. We could all vote Green and save the planet. The Lib Dems and Greens would take us back into the EU though, on EU terms (no rebate, join the Euro, financial assistance to Italy, Greece, etc.) Absolutely correct it's also a bit laughable people think the EU working time directive actually does anything useful, any self employed person opts out as time is literally money for them, anyone in any sort of senior management position is expected to opt out as part of their employment contract. For all other people the 48 hour week is averaged over a 17 week period so how many jobs that aren't already covered by the exemptions do you think would require someone for more 6 days a week or 10 hours a day for 5 days a week. From an analysis of the impact of the Working Time Directive: "Since 1998 there has been a decline in the incidence of long-hours working in the UK and a general trend towards shorter working hours. It is possible that this is, at least in part, due to the introduction of the 48-hour maximum working week despite the existence of the opt-out. We have also seen a general trend over this period towards a more diverse range of working patterns." Seems like a beneficial impact to me. If you are a worker at least! Interestingly, it is somewhat different in Germany to here, where they work far fewer hours, have much more flexible working conditions and yet are more productive and Germany leads the way economically in Europe, despite the same interference from the EU we were subject to. Strange. Probably our unions' fault...or maybe too many foreign workers driving hours up and wages down...although they don't work, they just draw benefits...oh, it's all too confusing this, someone else's fault anyway.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 15, 2021 16:11:07 GMT
I think you are posting on the wrong thread; government corruption is on another thread. Just pause and think for a moment. Now we have voted in a government to deliver Brexit, we can now get rid of them and vote in a government that will deliver workers rights better than the EU regulations. That's what sovereignty means; our own government can make our own employment law, and we can be better than the EU. We could all vote Lib Dem and introduce PR. We could all vote Green and save the planet. The Lib Dems and Greens would take us back into the EU though, on EU terms (no rebate, join the Euro, financial assistance to Italy, Greece, etc.) The example of Jenrick was just an indication of the way our current government 'protects' the ordinary worker/person so let's hope we're all pleasantly surprised when they prove to go above and beyond the current workers' protection rights, now we're free from EU interference in issuing directives to stop people from being required to work too long. Strange that the unions have similarly expressed alarm about this, but maybe they've got nothing to fear from a free-market championing government which has already ignored a pledge to uphold a ban on neonicotinoid pesticides and signalled a desire to reduce water quality controls. Wasn't it always the case that we were able to go above and beyond what the EU directive required anyway? Almost all the directives I've seen set minimum requirements for member states to achieve. Wonder why we never did? But yes, perhaps we'll collectively realise that we want to go beyond EU Directives and vote accordingly to demand even better standards, rather than shrugging, letting it all go and keep on sticking to the same old voting patterns, you never know... Can't argue with any of that. In my experience the UK certainly has higher work safety standards than the countries I have visited in the EU, as I bored you with examples in the past. In many cases though it isn't a case of going beyond minimum standards as actual interpretation of what the standards are and then meeting them. The UK demands extensive guarding of dangerous equipment, whilst in some EU countries putting a warning sign is as far as it goes. I led a project to raise the health protection standards of coke oven workers in the UK and the Europeans were amazed at the high UK standards demanded in the UK. Hopefully, the present government will be tossed out at the next election. As for countries going "above and beyond" for their citizens, it's good to see Cyprus is asking Israel for vaccine. www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/cyprus-asks-vaccines-from-israel-amid-eu-delay/
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 15, 2021 16:30:55 GMT
I think you are posting on the wrong thread; government corruption is on another thread. Just pause and think for a moment. Now we have voted in a government to deliver Brexit, we can now get rid of them and vote in a government that will deliver workers rights better than the EU regulations. That's what sovereignty means; our own government can make our own employment law, and we can be better than the EU. We could all vote Lib Dem and introduce PR. We could all vote Green and save the planet. The Lib Dems and Greens would take us back into the EU though, on EU terms (no rebate, join the Euro, financial assistance to Italy, Greece, etc.) Absolutely correct it's also a bit laughable people think the EU working time directive actually does anything useful, any self employed person opts out as time is literally money for them, anyone in any sort of senior management position is expected to opt out as part of their employment contract. For all other people the 48 hour week is averaged over a 17 week period so how many jobs that aren't already covered by the exemptions do you think would require someone for more 6 days a week or 10 hours a day for 5 days a week. So if you are willing to opt out you are free to do so, but if you don't want to you're protected, what's the problem again?
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 15, 2021 18:37:16 GMT
Absolutely correct it's also a bit laughable people think the EU working time directive actually does anything useful, any self employed person opts out as time is literally money for them, anyone in any sort of senior management position is expected to opt out as part of their employment contract. For all other people the 48 hour week is averaged over a 17 week period so how many jobs that aren't already covered by the exemptions do you think would require someone for more 6 days a week or 10 hours a day for 5 days a week. So if you are willing to opt out you are free to do so, but if you don't want to you're protected, what's the problem again? You're "protected" from not having to work more than 48 hours a week over a 17 week period, that's a bit like saying your umbrella protects you from rain and dragons.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 19:25:18 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 15, 2021 19:55:24 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 15, 2021 21:09:12 GMT
So if you are willing to opt out you are free to do so, but if you don't want to you're protected, what's the problem again? You're "protected" from not having to work more than 48 hours a week over a 17 week period, that's a bit like saying your umbrella protects you from rain and dragons. It's not really anything like that to be fair.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 15, 2021 21:13:22 GMT
Protect yourself
Join A Union
Because when it does go proper tits up, which it will 'they' will be after you.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 15, 2021 21:58:00 GMT
You're "protected" from not having to work more than 48 hours a week over a 17 week period, that's a bit like saying your umbrella protects you from rain and dragons. It's not really anything like that to be fair..... It really is a law that protects you by saying you cant be forced to work more than 48 hours a week on average over a 17 week period isn't much protection at all as you could still be expected to work 6 days a week every week, there are greater protections in your own employment contract nevermind other legislation that requires employees to have 11 hours rest between shifts anyway the FT story has been denied.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 15, 2021 21:58:33 GMT
Protect yourself Join A Union Because when it does go proper tits up, which it will 'they' will be after you. Wibble wibble
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 15, 2021 22:05:09 GMT
Protect yourself Join A Union Because when it does go proper tits up, which it will 'they' will be after you. Wibble wibble Got to protect ourselves against the likes of your mate Hannan and this wretched corrupt Government somehow. Join A Union
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 15, 2021 22:24:05 GMT
Got to protect ourselves against the likes of your mate Hannan and this wretched corrupt Government somehow. Join A Union Calm down Wolfie😀
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 15, 2021 22:27:31 GMT
Got to protect ourselves against the likes of your mate Hannan and this wretched corrupt Government somehow. Join A Union Calm down Wolfie😀 findyourunion.tuc.org.uk/Seriously. It's the last defence.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 22:38:38 GMT
Imagine the reaction if "the Left" had introduced a policy which meant Scottish fishermen had to land their catch in Denmark because the results of that policy were such a fuck up that that was the only way to carry on... ...you can but wonder still, always someone else's fault...
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 15, 2021 23:09:28 GMT
So Ronan says thanks to Boris there will be no more boyzones another brexit bonus
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 15, 2021 23:23:15 GMT
Imagine the reaction if "the Left" had introduced a policy which meant Scottish fishermen had to land their catch in Denmark because the results of that policy were such a fuck up that that was the only way to carry on... ...you can but wonder still, always someone else's fault... I don't know whether it's the left or right who's to blame but fuck me they've had four years to prepare for it.
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