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Post by mrcoke on Jan 11, 2021 16:53:06 GMT
As has been said on here by Brexiteers (BJR et al) and Remainers (me for example) alike. There really is no point pointing to these small 'apparent' victories, which amount to nothing more than drops in the ocean. It will take time to really gauge whether or not Brexit turns out to be a good thing or not. In the grand scheme of things, all these tit for tat urls people are posting from all sides really mean fuck all at the moment. The success or failure of Brexit isn't going to be determined by a factory opening / closing or a few more or less fish being caught. For me personally, Brexit will measured against the state of public services, education, reducing poverty and improving sustainability. When figures and results come out relating to those areas then I'll draw my own conclusions. I fully agree that these are small steps, but every journey starts with the first steps. But that is the steps to greater economic prosperity, there are the issues of sovereignty, democracy, and justice. Some of us believe that success has already been achieved. We are no longer ruled by the EU, we can make our own way in the world like most of the world's nations. We are no longer subject to a ECJ and Brussels bureaucracy. Above all we are not trapped into ever closer political union. After half a century of membership do you think we have made better progress on public services, education, and reducing poverty than many non EU countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Norway, Japan , or the massive and rapid rise from poor conditions by a vast number of developing countries? Who do you think paid for the rebuilding of the infrastructure of Spain when they joined after Franco with EU regional aid? How are the economies of Spain, Italy, and Greece progressing? Now we are in full control of our own budget, future successive governments can spend on those things they have been voted in to do by the British people. The wealthy countries of the EU are condemned to propping up the economies of the southern and eastern member countries. The UK has done more to improve sustainability than any large EU country and virtually any other large country in the world in the past generation. Regrettably by exporting most of our industry and importing electricity from France. The UK has largely stopped consuming coal in power stations, while the EU increased taxes on renewable energy products to protect their coal industry. I have consistently said there will be problems and some losses from leaving the EU in the short term while the UK adjusts. They will be overcome, and some people will have to wait for adjustments to be made in the future. I fully expect many of the present "losses" such as travel, security, job flexibility, etc. will be restored when both parties realise there are mutual benefits to be obtained by joint cooperation as there still is in a vast number of European organisations. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_organisations_in_Europe
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 11, 2021 16:57:32 GMT
As has been said on here by Brexiteers (BJR et al) and Remainers (me for example) alike. There really is no point pointing to these small 'apparent' victories, which amount to nothing more than drops in the ocean. It will take time to really gauge whether or not Brexit turns out to be a good thing or not. In the grand scheme of things, all these tit for tat urls people are posting from all sides really mean fuck all at the moment. The success or failure of Brexit isn't going to be determined by a factory opening / closing or a few more or less fish being caught. For me personally, Brexit will measured against the state of public services, education, reducing poverty and improving sustainability. When figures and results come out relating to those areas then I'll draw my own conclusions. I fully agree that these are small steps, but every journey starts with the first steps. But that is the steps to greater economic prosperity, there are the issues of sovereignty, democracy, and justice. Some of us believe that success has already been achieved. We are no longer ruled by the EU, we can make our own way in the world like most of the world's nations. We are no longer subject to a ECJ and Brussels bureaucracy. Above all we are not trapped into ever closer political union. After half a century of membership do you think we have made better progress on public services, education, and reducing poverty than many non EU countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Norway, Japan , or the massive and rapid rise from poor conditions by a vast number of developing countries? Who do you think paid for the rebuilding of the infrastructure of Spain when they joined after Franco with EU regional aid? How are the economies of Spain, Italy, and Greece progressing? Now we are in full control of our own budget, future successive governments can spend on those things they have been voted in to do by the British people. The wealthy countries of the EU are condemned to propping up the economies of the southern and eastern member countries. The UK has done more to improve sustainability than any large EU country and virtually any other large country in the world in the past generation. Regrettably by exporting most of our industry and importing electricity from France. The UK has largely stopped consuming coal in power stations, while the EU increased taxes on renewable energy products to protect their coal industry. I have consistently said there will be problems and some losses from leaving the EU in the short term while the UK adjusts. They will be overcome, and some people will have to wait for adjustments to be made in the future. I fully expect many of the present "losses" such as travel, security, job flexibility, etc. will be restored when both parties realise there are mutual benefits to be obtained by joint cooperation as there still is in a vast number of European organisations. Being released from the shackles of the EU is one thing, choosing to carry on with the same neoliberal policies generation after generation instead of looking to make radical change in our society is another. To reduce poverty and inequality the will has to be there irrespective of whether we're in the EU or not.......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 11, 2021 19:48:23 GMT
I fully agree that these are small steps, but every journey starts with the first steps. But that is the steps to greater economic prosperity, there are the issues of sovereignty, democracy, and justice. Some of us believe that success has already been achieved. We are no longer ruled by the EU, we can make our own way in the world like most of the world's nations. We are no longer subject to a ECJ and Brussels bureaucracy. Above all we are not trapped into ever closer political union. After half a century of membership do you think we have made better progress on public services, education, and reducing poverty than many non EU countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Norway, Japan , or the massive and rapid rise from poor conditions by a vast number of developing countries? Who do you think paid for the rebuilding of the infrastructure of Spain when they joined after Franco with EU regional aid? How are the economies of Spain, Italy, and Greece progressing? Now we are in full control of our own budget, future successive governments can spend on those things they have been voted in to do by the British people. The wealthy countries of the EU are condemned to propping up the economies of the southern and eastern member countries. The UK has done more to improve sustainability than any large EU country and virtually any other large country in the world in the past generation. Regrettably by exporting most of our industry and importing electricity from France. The UK has largely stopped consuming coal in power stations, while the EU increased taxes on renewable energy products to protect their coal industry. I have consistently said there will be problems and some losses from leaving the EU in the short term while the UK adjusts. They will be overcome, and some people will have to wait for adjustments to be made in the future. I fully expect many of the present "losses" such as travel, security, job flexibility, etc. will be restored when both parties realise there are mutual benefits to be obtained by joint cooperation as there still is in a vast number of European organisations. Being released from the shackles of the EU is one thing, choosing to carry on with the same neoliberal policies generation after generation instead of looking to make radical change in our society is another. To reduce poverty and inequality the will has to be there irrespective of whether we're in the EU or not....... And, Prestwich,we should also encourage entrpreneurialism, endeavour and a lack of dependency wherever possible, imo. I do think that environmental issues will become more and more to the forefront.....and we should try to create a decent future for young people, rather than thinking short term.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 11, 2021 20:08:42 GMT
As has been said on here by Brexiteers (BJR et al) and Remainers (me for example) alike. There really is no point pointing to these small 'apparent' victories, which amount to nothing more than drops in the ocean. It will take time to really gauge whether or not Brexit turns out to be a good thing or not. In the grand scheme of things, all these tit for tat urls people are posting from all sides really mean fuck all at the moment. The success or failure of Brexit isn't going to be determined by a factory opening / closing or a few more or less fish being caught. For me personally, Brexit will measured against the state of public services, education, reducing poverty and improving sustainability. When figures and results come out relating to those areas then I'll draw my own conclusions. I agree with you Foster but I think that MrCoke was right in pointing this out ,as imo it had been more of an "immediate consequence" issue. Having said that, again imo, it is impossible to make any objective judgement about which route eventually proves to have been better" in or out" of the EU. I say this because many other factors will come into the equation. For example, say in 5 years time we will obviously know where we are, and where the EU is( even then , are we talking, economically, socially, culturally etc)....but we won't know how WE would fair within the EU....it isn't the status quo....would we still be resisting ' ever closer union ', free movement, the euro? Also the EU doing well , isn't the same as each individual country doing well. It could be argued that we have suffered the devastation of our industrial base whilst we have been in the EU. In any case any judgements / assessments will be made in the same way that they have been made on this board for five years.....People like me will select and interprete " events and facts" to meet my unwavering belief that it was right to leave( and I do recognise that there will be turbulence) and Remainers will do likewise to support their position. Perhaps for me, where I might differ from Remainers, I want the UK to make decisions on behalf of the UK without reference to any outside body ( and that doesn't mean ' not cooperating with others', it means that WE decide who we cooperate with and on what terms.)....so for me , as Farage says, the war has been won ,but there are many ,many battles ahead. There is much critism of Boris and a Tory Brexit....it's up to a party from the left/ middle or somewhere else to show the electorate some vision and leadership....if the Tories are that bad, and surely we can do a lot better, then it should not be difficult....Somehow the Left seems to have decided that they cannot win elections, do the next best thing and knock anything Tory.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 11, 2021 20:14:49 GMT
Well thats a take I guess, most people would view it and say you are not legally allowed to buy vaccines to save the lives of your people might be a tad too much sovereignty given up but hey we all know how much you love the EU - shouldn't you be losing your shit about germany breaking an international agreement in the same way as you all were over the IM bill ? If Germany have done as you say then the sanctions available to those affected should be sought, in accordance with whatever agreement Germany signed up to. The EU have undertaken a massive vaccine programme and my understanding is that they want it distributed fairly throughout the member states rather than a richer one, such as Germany buying them all and leaving none for a poorer one. Very fair. If a nation didn’t like it they shouldn’t have agreed to it but they did, or if they really want they can trigger Art 50. Either way, a member state can breach the agreement, but they know there will be consequences of doing so. Don’t sign up for something if you don’t want it. The EU vaccine program is hundreds of millions of doses short, they ordered the wrong vaccines, driven by national pride the french insisted that orders were placed for their vaccine, they were late to order nearly proven vaccines so wont get them for many months for this solidarity thousands of people will pay with their lives, if you think germany will face any sanctions I have some magic beans for you.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 11, 2021 20:16:00 GMT
Uk looking to apply to join CPTPP good idea a trading bloc that doesnt want its own army or border force.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 12, 2021 0:04:42 GMT
Uk looking to apply to join CPTPP good idea a trading bloc that doesnt want its own army or border force. I've posted about the UK applying to join the CPTPP a couple of times. It is a true trade organisation like the WTO. Not a customs union like the EU. It does have a Commission running the organization, but not a Council, Parliament, Court of Justice and trappings like the EU's two parliament buildings in Brussels and Strasbourg "Tower of Babel" where the babbling goes on, and a political agenda for federal unity. Trump pulled the USA out of the CPTPP. Whether Biden will lead the USA back in remains to be seen. We have yet to see how he tackles America's very divided society and joining a free trade organization is not popular with many Americans and he might well avoid such a divisive step. With the UK working on trade deals with Australia and a new deal with Canada, plus the deals with Japan and Vietnam, the UK is well on the way to making the logical step to join the CPTPP. We have strong traditional ties with Singapore, Brunei, Malaysia, and New Zealand. This is an area of the world where economies were booming pre-pandemic. Vietnam could be the Japan of the future. It's economy is growing very rapidly, like post WWII Japan and it has a very large population. architecturehereandthere.com/2016/12/28/eu-new-brussels-hq/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_and_Progressive_Agreement_for_Trans-Pacific_Partnership
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 12, 2021 12:03:07 GMT
Uk looking to apply to join CPTPP good idea a trading bloc that doesnt want its own army or border force. I've posted about the UK applying to join the CPTPP a couple of times. It is a true trade organisation like the WTO. Not a customs union like the EU. It does have a Commission running the organization, but not a Council, Parliament, Court of Justice and trappings like the EU's two parliament buildings in Brussels and Strasbourg "Tower of Babel" where the babbling goes on, and a political agenda for federal unity. Trump pulled the USA out of the CPTPP. Whether Biden will lead the USA back in remains to be seen. We have yet to see how he tackles America's very divided society and joining a free trade organization is not popular with many Americans and he might well avoid such a divisive step. With the UK working on trade deals with Australia and a new deal with Canada, plus the deals with Japan and Vietnam, the UK is well on the way to making the logical step to join the CPTPP. We have strong traditional ties with Singapore, Brunei, Malaysia, and New Zealand. This is an area of the world where economies were booming pre-pandemic. Vietnam could be the Japan of the future. It's economy is growing very rapidly, like post WWII Japan and it has a very large population. architecturehereandthere.com/2016/12/28/eu-new-brussels-hq/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_and_Progressive_Agreement_for_Trans-Pacific_PartnershipYes be interesting to see what Biden does, China are also considering applying although as many of their companies are state controlled not sure would want them involved.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2021 20:48:48 GMT
Well this is something!
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 13, 2021 21:01:42 GMT
As has been said on here by Brexiteers (BJR et al) and Remainers (me for example) alike. There really is no point pointing to these small 'apparent' victories, which amount to nothing more than drops in the ocean. It will take time to really gauge whether or not Brexit turns out to be a good thing or not. In the grand scheme of things, all these tit for tat urls people are posting from all sides really mean fuck all at the moment. The success or failure of Brexit isn't going to be determined by a factory opening / closing or a few more or less fish being caught. For me personally, Brexit will measured against the state of public services, education, reducing poverty and improving sustainability. When figures and results come out relating to those areas then I'll draw my own conclusions. Well said, although how introducing barriers to trade and making the country poorer will positively impact those critical areas you highlight is hard to fathom right now. Perhaps we'll be pleasantly surprised... I doubt it. Reckon combination of Covid and Brexit will see a tsunami of economic shitshows that nightmares are made of. But we are on our own. Isolated and completely independent..
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 14, 2021 1:52:13 GMT
Not really. Addressing the Irish border question was always going to be problematic particularly since the 2017 election when May lost all her negotiating power and the EU took advantage by digging their heels in over Ireland. The amended withdrawal agreement Johnson eventually secured was a poor compromise - from the UK perspective - but was more than anyone thought he would get. It was better than May’s “backstop”, but still not good in absolute terms. That agreement, you may recall, was what was behind the “limited but specific breaking international law” stushie a few months back. It’s no surprise, therefore, that some people will complain about it. Because there are good cause for complaints. As there will be with many aspects of Brexit which will not satisfy people on both sides of the debate. And fair enough - so long as the complaints don’t drift into whining for something lost as opposed to creating something better for the future. Sorry to say, but Hoey’s piece seems like a bout of whining.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 14, 2021 7:55:55 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 14, 2021 8:03:24 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 14, 2021 8:03:32 GMT
After decades of being in the EU, we are 14 days into being out.... Have some perspective....
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 14, 2021 8:20:35 GMT
After decades of being in the EU, we are 14 days into being out.... Have some perspective.... Agreed, although it is one of the chief Brexit headbangers in the article we need to be judging this a bit further down the line, even if it's been a utterly predictable shitshow of a start.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2021 9:05:23 GMT
Not really. Addressing the Irish border question was always going to be problematic particularly since the 2017 election when May lost all her negotiating power and the EU took advantage by digging their heels in over Ireland. The amended withdrawal agreement Johnson eventually secured was a poor compromise - from the UK perspective - but was more than anyone thought he would get. It was better than May’s “backstop”, but still not good in absolute terms. That agreement, you may recall, was what was behind the “limited but specific breaking international law” stushie a few months back. It’s no surprise, therefore, that some people will complain about it. Because there are good cause for complaints. As there will be with many aspects of Brexit which will not satisfy people on both sides of the debate. And fair enough - so long as the complaints don’t drift into whining for something lost as opposed to creating something better for the future. Sorry to say, but Hoey’s piece seems like a bout of whining. It would have been judicious of Kate 'Brexit' Hoey to voice her concerns or inform the electorate of the issue a little earlier than 13 days after the event wouldn't it?
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 14, 2021 9:38:30 GMT
After decades of being in the EU, we are 14 days into being out.... Have some perspective.... The EU Remainers will continue to clutch for every reason they can find why the UK should have remained under EU regulation. The last few posts "complain" about problems that have occurred because the EU refused for 4 years of negotiating to give the UK sovereignty until the very last moment. So it is hardly surprising people are caught out by the changes in rules. The EU put a stranglehold on trade into Northern Ireland which the government tried to address by introducing the custom provisions in the Internal Market Bill, but the Remainers said this would contravene the Northern Ireland protocol and "break international law", so the government backed off, not wanting to upset Biden & Co., but that has left NI in a mess, due to EU intransigence. You correctly point out, we have only just left the EU. What Remainers are blind to is the failure of the EU to address its shortfalls after decades of mismanagement such as the CAP. capreform.eu/the-uk-milk-crisis-fact-or-fiction/The Remainers fail to see the destruction the Euro is doing to countries like Italy and Greece. www.neweurope.eu/article/will-italy-destroy-the-eurozone/ (NB This pre-pandemic, since which things have got much worse.) But the EU is obsessed with central control and the march towards a super federal state. The EU will stamp on the independence of individual nations. Some Remainers say the UK is alone and isolated. They should look at the economies of the world and ask themselves which ones are alone and isolated and which ones are actually better off being in the EU. Plus which countries are going up in the list and which countries are going down in the list. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)Then there is the question of corrupt and incompetent politicians. Good news, we can now actually get rid of the ones who make and administer the UK law, and we can stop pouring our money into a corrupt organization. www.greens-efa.eu/en/article/document/the-costs-of-corruption-across-the-european-union/It will take some years to adjust and build a new future, but future generations will see the benefit. I confidently predict the UK economy will outstrip the EU very soon.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2021 9:44:36 GMT
After decades of being in the EU, we are 14 days into being out.... Have some perspective.... The EU Remainers will continue to clutch for every reason they can find why the UK should have remained under EU regulation. The last few posts "complain" about problems that have occurred because the EU refused for 4 years of negotiating to give the UK sovereignty until the very last moment. So it is hardly surprising people are caught out by the changes in rules. The EU put a stranglehold on trade into Northern Ireland which the government tried to address by introducing the custom provisions in the Internal Market Bill, but the Remainers said this would contravene the Northern Ireland protocol and "break international law", so the government backed off, not wanting to upset Biden & Co., but that has left NI in a mess, due to EU intransigence. You correctly point out, we have only just left the EU. What Remainers are blind to is the failure of the EU to address its shortfalls after decades of mismanagement such as the CAP. capreform.eu/the-uk-milk-crisis-fact-or-fiction/The Remainers fail to see the destruction the Euro is doing to countries like Italy and Greece. www.neweurope.eu/article/will-italy-destroy-the-eurozone/ (NB This pre-pandemic, since which things have got much worse.) But the EU is obsessed with central control and the march towards a super federal state. The EU will stamp on the independence of individual nations. Some Remainers say the UK is alone and isolated. They should look at the economies of the world and ask themselves which ones are alone and isolated and which ones are actually better off being in the EU. Plus which countries are going up in the list and which countries are going down in the list. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)Then there is the question of corrupt and incompetent politicians. Good news, we can now actually get rid of the ones who make and administer the UK law, and we can stop pouring our money into a corrupt organization. www.greens-efa.eu/en/article/document/the-costs-of-corruption-across-the-european-union/It will take some years to adjust and build a new future, but future generations will see the benefit. I confidently predict the UK economy will outstrip the EU very soon. She is one of the leading Brexiteers of the age.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 14, 2021 9:46:02 GMT
Not really. Addressing the Irish border question was always going to be problematic particularly since the 2017 election when May lost all her negotiating power and the EU took advantage by digging their heels in over Ireland. The amended withdrawal agreement Johnson eventually secured was a poor compromise - from the UK perspective - but was more than anyone thought he would get. It was better than May’s “backstop”, but still not good in absolute terms. That agreement, you may recall, was what was behind the “limited but specific breaking international law” stushie a few months back. It’s no surprise, therefore, that some people will complain about it. Because there are good cause for complaints. As there will be with many aspects of Brexit which will not satisfy people on both sides of the debate. And fair enough - so long as the complaints don’t drift into whining for something lost as opposed to creating something better for the future. Sorry to say, but Hoey’s piece seems like a bout of whining. It would have been judicious of Kate 'Brexit' Hoey to voice her concerns or inform the electorate of the issue a little earlier than 13 days after the event wouldn't it? Yeah. Maybe she felt now is the right time. I’m not really bothered. What concerns me is folk looking to move forward not backward.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2021 9:54:18 GMT
It would have been judicious of Kate 'Brexit' Hoey to voice her concerns or inform the electorate of the issue a little earlier than 13 days after the event wouldn't it? Yeah. Maybe she felt now is the right time. I’m not really bothered. What concerns me is folk looking to move forward not backward. It's all part of the same sense of chaos and shambles though isn't it, where a few months ago, Johnson was 'surprised' at what his own Withdrawal Agreement (that he cynically won an election on) said and had to threaten to break the law to disagree with himself!
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 14, 2021 10:04:00 GMT
Yeah. Maybe she felt now is the right time. I’m not really bothered. What concerns me is folk looking to move forward not backward. It's all part of the same sense of chaos and shambles though isn't it, where a few months ago, Johnson was 'surprised' at what his own Withdrawal Agreement (that he cynically won an election on) said and had to threaten to break the law to disagree with himself! Well it’s time for a zoom meeting of the 1922 committee And thank boris for delivering a near landslide And remind him he’ll go down in history as the man who delivered brexit Then slip the blade in remove the bumbling buffoon and get the country run in a coherent manner
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 14, 2021 10:57:05 GMT
Are you expecting all those who dismissed it as a rubbish deal within seconds of it being announced to resign too just for fairness. Incidentially if she had read it before would you have expected the deal to be unsigned if she raised objections or do you think no matter what the deal was getting signed.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 14, 2021 11:04:17 GMT
The hold up is checks in scotland before they leave luckily we know the snp administration would not cause deliberate hold ups to foster a grievance.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 14, 2021 12:31:42 GMT
We currently have 50/60 trailers sat loaded in various North West depots that we've been unable to send over the Irish Sea because of delays, we've subsequently had to send drivers over empty to collect contracted work at a cost of around £30k so far. Hopefully the backlog will subside and things will get back to normal, it will need to as logistics companies will simply move their focus elsewhere as the small margin that we make is based on us delivering and reloading, plus any haulier cannot have that amount of trailers tied up on a regular basis without impacting the rest of their operation......
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 14, 2021 12:41:34 GMT
The hold up is checks in scotland before they leave luckily we know the snp administration would not cause deliberate hold ups to foster a grievance. Oh, that's a pedigree example of right-wing "always somebody else's fault" in action there, especially impressive given the complete supposition and lack of supporting evidence, bravo, FYD Lack of evidence never matters really, it's the deflection of blame onto someone else that counts!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 14, 2021 12:45:53 GMT
We currently have 50/60 trailers sat loaded in various North West depots that we've been unable to send over the Irish Sea because of delays, we've subsequently had to send drivers over empty to collect contracted work at a cost of around £30k so far. Hopefully the backlog will subside and things will get back to normal, it will need to as logistics companies will simply move their focus elsewhere as the small margin that we make is based on us delivering and reloading, plus any haulier cannot have that amount of trailers tied up on a regular basis without impacting the rest of their operation...... It will settle down eventually, as firms become better at dealing with the mountain of additional red tape. It'll have to. My mate in car parts logistics has been going nuts over Christmas and New Year trying to manage his firm's "just in time" logistics operation. The next point of interest will probably be around the casual employment market previously taken up by Europeans... if Covid is in hand by late Spring, the hospitality and farming sectors will be the ones to keep an eye on.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 14, 2021 12:51:26 GMT
We currently have 50/60 trailers sat loaded in various North West depots that we've been unable to send over the Irish Sea because of delays, we've subsequently had to send drivers over empty to collect contracted work at a cost of around £30k so far. Hopefully the backlog will subside and things will get back to normal, it will need to as logistics companies will simply move their focus elsewhere as the small margin that we make is based on us delivering and reloading, plus any haulier cannot have that amount of trailers tied up on a regular basis without impacting the rest of their operation...... It will settle down eventually, as firms become better at dealing with the mountain of additional red tape. It'll have to. My mate in car parts logistics has been going nuts over Christmas and New Year trying to manage his firm's "just in time" logistics operation. The next point of interest will probably be around the casual employment market previously taken up by Europeans... if Covid is in hand by late Spring, the hospitality and farming sectors will be the ones to keep an eye on. It will have to settle down, for companies like ours if it doesn't we'll just move our focus elsewhere. That's the reality of the situation.....
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 14, 2021 13:09:18 GMT
Has anybody actually read it? .....I'm beginning to think not, especially those who cobbled it together last minute.
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Post by muggleton on Jan 14, 2021 13:19:14 GMT
It will settle down eventually, as firms become better at dealing with the mountain of additional red tape. It'll have to. My mate in car parts logistics has been going nuts over Christmas and New Year trying to manage his firm's "just in time" logistics operation. The next point of interest will probably be around the casual employment market previously taken up by Europeans... if Covid is in hand by late Spring, the hospitality and farming sectors will be the ones to keep an eye on. It will have to settle down, for companies like ours if it doesn't we'll just move our focus elsewhere. That's the reality of the situation..... The new normal will be significantly more complicated and costly, so less competitive, than the old normal. Then individual companies will make practical changes to their business model to stay afloat. From an NI perspective, where I come from, supply chains are rapidly reconfiguring towards direct ferries to France due to the ball ache of going through GB.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 14, 2021 13:19:52 GMT
The hold up is checks in scotland before they leave luckily we know the snp administration would not cause deliberate hold ups to foster a grievance. Shocked I am
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