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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 20, 2020 18:32:21 GMT
Its early days, I think and hope that Boris's team can get us through stage two( December 31st)...they are saying the right things and asserting our sovereignty at the moment. As we move forward I do believe that our politicians will gain authority and self belief. I think Politicians such as Rishni Sunak are well capable. Dealing with a non political virus is a whole different ball game. It’s not “early days”ffs, why would you say that. Stop apologising for these fools... Because it's taken over 40 years for the EU to gain control by deceit and stealth. We are now only just emerging into democracy. I'm not apologising for anybody. The best reasoned argument for the Brexit phenomenon as misunderstood by the misled Remainers that I heard was by Clare Fox. This Trotskyite really does explain the emotional and illogical attachment of some of the left to the EU The most passionate was by the Right wing Little Englander George Galloway Unfortunately it doesn't fit the agenda....so I know that you will ignore the argument to leave the EU from the left. It is also what lost Labour the election... Anyway we've now left, you just need to come to terms that it might just be possible that most people didn't agree with you, including quite a few of the working class.
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Post by xchpotter on May 20, 2020 20:45:54 GMT
The EU are showing their true colours with the ridiculous demands of our fishing and compliance with their rules. They are saying the economic integration makes it that way and yet they trade with other countries on lesser terms but want to screw us. Finally the pressure is showing in them and they aren’t as united as they were. The pandemic shows how they even screw and threaten their members......talk about unity?The whole shit storm is going to explode and they are starting to panic. The more disassociated we can be to avoid paying a single penny to any bailout out the better. Keep your nerve, we are best well out and the electorate thought so too.
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Post by mrcoke on May 21, 2020 16:57:48 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on May 21, 2020 17:06:00 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on May 21, 2020 18:10:36 GMT
Let the Spanish crack on and veto it. It will be clear they said no and then they will have Germany breathing down their neck once they realise how much it will cost them to shift their cars over here. Another scenario where the unity of the EU will be fractious and they suddenly start looking after their own national interest. Real opportunities to divide and conquer if we hold our nerve.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 22, 2020 15:11:57 GMT
I see non-EU immigration has risen to record levels not seen since 1975...and net migration to an almost 20 year high...
...of course we all know (now) that Brexit wasn't about immigration it was all about sovereignty, so nothing to see here!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 22, 2020 15:19:13 GMT
That £39bn is part of a legally binding funding commitment, so whether we leave with a deal or not, we'll be paying it. Or end up in court, and then pay it, plus costs. Of course Boris will bluff and bluster and say the EU can go whistle for their money like he did previously, before confirming we were going to pay it! I'm also yet to see how the world's second largest economy will suffer more from the absence of a deal than the sixth largest? This myth that they need us more than we need them is very persistent! I'm sure both sides would prefer a deal, and will probably cobble something together that each side can sell at the time (like the Irish sea border question, which is starting to unravel) but if there isn't one it'll be like Sainsbury's (the EU) losing one of its suppliers (the UK). It's obvious where the balance lies.
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Post by wagsastokie on May 22, 2020 15:19:54 GMT
I see non-EU immigration has risen to record levels not seen since 1975...and net migration to an almost 20 year high... ...of course we all know (now) that Brexit wasn't about immigration it was all about sovereignty, so nothing to see here! Correct immigration available to the whole world on equal merit Not just because you happen to hold a European passport Fairness to all what's not to like
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 22, 2020 15:22:15 GMT
I see non-EU immigration has risen to record levels not seen since 1975...and net migration to an almost 20 year high... ...of course we all know (now) that Brexit wasn't about immigration it was all about sovereignty, so nothing to see here! Correct immigration available to the whole world on equal merit Not just because you happen to hold a European passport Fairness to all what's not to like? Doesn't bother me but try telling that to all the folk who voted for Brexit because immigration was too high....which was about half of them.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 22, 2020 15:29:18 GMT
Correct immigration available to the whole world on equal merit Not just because you happen to hold a European passport Fairness to all what's not to like? Doesn't bother me but try telling that to all the folk who voted for Brexit because immigration was too high....which was about half of them. Early days. If it is an issue we as an independent country need to deal with it. And illegal "immigration".
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Post by followyoudown on May 22, 2020 20:07:38 GMT
I see non-EU immigration has risen to record levels not seen since 1975...and net migration to an almost 20 year high... ...of course we all know (now) that Brexit wasn't about immigration it was all about sovereignty, so nothing to see here! Correct immigration available to the whole world on equal merit Not just because you happen to hold a European passport Fairness to all what's not to like Not sure how many times it has to be explained, as I've said many times immigration is a non issue for me but even those who got the most excited about I never saw say they wanted no immigration they all said they wanted the uk to be able to decide their own immigration numbers.
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Post by wagsastokie on May 22, 2020 20:20:48 GMT
Correct immigration available to the whole world on equal merit Not just because you happen to hold a European passport Fairness to all what's not to like Not sure how many times it has to be explained, as I've said many times immigration is a non issue for me but even those who got the most excited about I never saw say they wanted no immigration they all said they wanted the uk to be able to decide their own immigration numbers. Totally correct But it helps the remainers console themselves if they think that they were beaten by nasty xenophobic little englanders
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 22, 2020 22:43:55 GMT
"....and we need people of calibre to step forward and learn how to be politicians again......" We do. And if they exist, they have already been born. But where are they? Its early days, I think and hope that Boris's team can get us through stage two( December 31st)...they are saying the right things and asserting our sovereignty at the moment. As we move forward I do believe that our politicians will gain authority and self belief. I think Politicians such as Rishni Sunak are well capable. Dealing with a non political virus is a whole different ball game. Boris and his gang (there is not a strong statesman amongst them), are not clever enough to deal with and hAndle the European leaders
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 23:17:47 GMT
EU Ambassador says Brussels must back down over fisheries demands link
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2020 6:17:47 GMT
Its early days, I think and hope that Boris's team can get us through stage two( December 31st)...they are saying the right things and asserting our sovereignty at the moment. As we move forward I do believe that our politicians will gain authority and self belief. I think Politicians such as Rishni Sunak are well capable. Dealing with a non political virus is a whole different ball game. Boris and his gang (there is not a strong statesman amongst them), are not clever enough to deal with and hAndle the European leaders oriss)/quote] Yes it must be true then because I've heard this opinion from the left many times....we really are backward in this country, we really should leave it to others and do as we are told, they will do their best for us....in fact every country in the world should do what the EU organisation says.....another example of Claire Fox's " emotional attachment to the EU " Anyway David Frost seems to at least be holding his own. ec.europa.eu/info/publications/reply-michel-barnier-chief-negotiator-david-frost-uk-chief-negotiator-20-may-2020_en
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Post by xchpotter on May 23, 2020 11:39:22 GMT
Its early days, I think and hope that Boris's team can get us through stage two( December 31st)...they are saying the right things and asserting our sovereignty at the moment. As we move forward I do believe that our politicians will gain authority and self belief. I think Politicians such as Rishni Sunak are well capable. Dealing with a non political virus is a whole different ball game. Boris and his gang (there is not a strong statesman amongst them), are not clever enough to deal with and hAndle the European leaders Compared to May and the rest of the closet Remainers doing their best to undermine the country’s position, I’d say the current team are doing ok. You can tell that by the increasing noise and feet stamping coming out of the EU as they realise their “friends within” no longer have any power and they can’t trample over us anymore. Pity so many worked so furiously on behalf of the EU in the first place, if they hadn’t things could well have been sorted by now.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 23, 2020 21:17:35 GMT
Boris and his gang (there is not a strong statesman amongst them), are not clever enough to deal with and hAndle the European leaders oriss)/quote] Yes it must be true then because I've heard this opinion from the left many times....we really are backward in this country, we really should leave it to others and do as we are told, they will do their best for us....in fact every country in the world should do what the EU organisation says.....another example of Claire Fox's " emotional attachment to the EU " Anyway David Frost seems to at least be holding his own. ec.europa.eu/info/publications/reply-michel-barnier-chief-negotiator-david-frost-uk-chief-negotiator-20-may-2020_enIt is my opinion. Are you backwards
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 23, 2020 21:22:13 GMT
Boris and his gang (there is not a strong statesman amongst them), are not clever enough to deal with and hAndle the European leaders Compared to May and the rest of the closet Remainers doing their best to undermine the country’s position, I’d say the current team are doing ok. You can tell that by the increasing noise and feet stamping coming out of the EU as they realise their “friends within” no longer have any power and they can’t trample over us anymore. Pity so many worked so furiously on behalf of the EU in the first place, if they hadn’t things could well have been sorted by now. They are worst than May, look at the shite at the moment with covid
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2020 21:22:51 GMT
It is my opinion. Are you backwards I don't think so. What about you?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 23, 2020 21:25:33 GMT
I don't think so. What about you? You said that you were
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2020 21:29:12 GMT
Just picking up on your opinion
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 23, 2020 21:30:43 GMT
Just picking up on your opinion Opinion or observation
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2020 21:31:34 GMT
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 23, 2020 21:41:37 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 24, 2020 17:43:22 GMT
Correct immigration available to the whole world on equal merit Not just because you happen to hold a European passport Fairness to all what's not to like Not sure how many times it has to be explained, as I've said many times immigration is a non issue for me but even those who got the most excited about I never saw say they wanted no immigration they all said they wanted the uk to be able to decide their own immigration numbers. Likewise, not sure how many times this also needs to be said - we've always had the ability to control our immigration numbers. We can send people back if they're jobless, just here for welfare reasons, not integrated etc etc. That includes EU nationals.
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Post by followyoudown on May 27, 2020 11:57:42 GMT
Look honestly its not about ohhhhh...
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Post by xchpotter on May 27, 2020 17:19:25 GMT
Look honestly its not about ohhhhh... I’d love to see what the “financial contribution” would be. I’d wager it won’t be on the same terms as other EU countries as it’s another opportunity for the EU to bleed more money out of the U.K. The letter is pretty open in trying to shift blame if there is no extension as well....no reference to the EU’s unreasonable and entrenched position is there? The letter isn’t fit for emergency big paper but there will be loads lapping it up and wishing their hardest that something comes out of it to keep the handcuffs firmly locked.
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Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2020 18:09:13 GMT
Look honestly its not about ohhhhh... I’d love to see what the “financial contribution” would be. I’d wager it won’t be on the same terms as other EU countries as it’s another opportunity for the EU to bleed more money out of the U.K. The letter is pretty open in trying to shift blame if there is no extension as well....no reference to the EU’s unreasonable and entrenched position is there? The letter isn’t fit for emergency big paper but there will be loads lapping it up and wishing their hardest that something comes out of it to keep the handcuffs firmly locked. I’d almost forgotten about Brexit in this whole $#!tshow. I’m more worried about this unaccountable govt, doing what the hell they like & £@#& the Nation. Do you feel liberated...
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Post by xchpotter on May 27, 2020 18:31:25 GMT
I’d love to see what the “financial contribution” would be. I’d wager it won’t be on the same terms as other EU countries as it’s another opportunity for the EU to bleed more money out of the U.K. The letter is pretty open in trying to shift blame if there is no extension as well....no reference to the EU’s unreasonable and entrenched position is there? The letter isn’t fit for emergency big paper but there will be loads lapping it up and wishing their hardest that something comes out of it to keep the handcuffs firmly locked. I’d almost forgotten about Brexit in this whole $#!tshow. I’m more worried about this unaccountable govt, doing what the hell they like & £@#& the Nation. Do you feel liberated... Yes I do, thanks for asking.
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Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2020 18:35:25 GMT
I’d almost forgotten about Brexit in this whole $#!tshow. I’m more worried about this unaccountable govt, doing what the hell they like & £@#& the Nation. Do you feel liberated... Yes I do, thanks for asking. So in all of this you feel liberation🤣Give you’re stupidy head a wobble🤯
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