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Post by mrcoke on Feb 16, 2020 20:54:51 GMT
May have different views I think you might have hit the nail on the head there Ever likely they were keen to get their hands on the €39b ( or was it £s) divorce settlement...and May was keen to give it. The amount was mentioned as though it was nothing.....it's easy to spend other people's money, in fact I'd imagine it's like having a party, particularly if you are not really accountable for spending it. Presumably if the UK fails to settle an exit trade agreement by the end of this year, the EU does not get the £39 billion?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 16, 2020 20:58:20 GMT
Ever likely they were keen to get their hands on the €39b ( or was it £s) divorce settlement...and May was keen to give it. The amount was mentioned as though it was nothing.....it's easy to spend other people's money, in fact I'd imagine it's like having a party, particularly if you are not really accountable for spending it. Presumably if the UK fails to settle an exit trade agreement by the end of this year, the EU does not get the £39 billion? I've lost track of it MrCoke.....isn't part of it included in the WITHDRAWAL agreement....doesn't it INCLUDE the money we are actually paying now in this negotiating/ transition period ...even though we are not members?
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Post by Davef on Feb 16, 2020 21:07:39 GMT
Ever likely they were keen to get their hands on the €39b ( or was it £s) divorce settlement...and May was keen to give it. The amount was mentioned as though it was nothing.....it's easy to spend other people's money, in fact I'd imagine it's like having a party, particularly if you are not really accountable for spending it. Presumably if the UK fails to settle an exit trade agreement by the end of this year, the EU does not get the £39 billion? Yes they do. It's part of the Withdrawal Agreement which is legally binding and which includes the financial settlement. According to latest estimates it could be around £30B. researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8039
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 16, 2020 21:30:39 GMT
Presumably if the UK fails to settle an exit trade agreement by the end of this year, the EU does not get the £39 billion? Yes they do. It's part of the Withdrawal Agreement which is legally binding and which includes the financial settlement. According to latest estimates it could be around £30B. researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8039Doesn't it include our contributions that we ARE paying during this negotiating period...or not,Dave? ( I'll read the link).....edit, it does
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 17, 2020 8:15:22 GMT
Looks like the early skirmishes on the Trade Deal have started; France warns UK of bitter trade negotiationsLet’s remember who is the #1 market for most of France’s food and drink exports. We also buy loads of their cars (fuck knows why!). This though is why there is bitterness. A no deal departure is bad news all round but particularly bad for some EU countries and for some strategically important EU industries while countries like Romania and Hungary won’t give a shit (on trade at least, on handout... well that’s a different topic).
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Post by salopstick on Feb 17, 2020 8:59:33 GMT
Looks like the early skirmishes on the Trade Deal have started; France warns UK of bitter trade negotiationsLet’s remember who is the #1 market for most of France’s food and drink exports. We also buy loads of their cars (fuck knows why!). This though is why there is bitterness. A no deal departure is bad news all round but particularly bad for some EU countries and for some strategically important EU industries while countries like Romania and Hungary won’t give a shit (on trade at least, on handout... well that’s a different topic). I don’t get this alignment on Eu social and economic standards. From what I keep reading it was mainly the UK that actually sticks to the existing ones
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 17, 2020 16:39:13 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 17, 2020 18:22:29 GMT
I went to Madeira a few years ago, beautiful island and always said I'd go back as I felt I missed a lot of what it has to offer. Definitely intend to return, if not this year then next, things like this article make decisions much easier.
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Post by felonious on Feb 17, 2020 18:41:05 GMT
I went to Madeira a few years ago, beautiful island and always said I'd go back as I felt I missed a lot of what it has to offer. Definitely intend to return, if not this year then next, things like this article make decisions much easier. It's the same as French produce we have a choice whether we buy it or not. They would probably be sensible not to antagonise UK customers.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 17, 2020 18:44:04 GMT
I went to Madeira a few years ago, beautiful island and always said I'd go back as I felt I missed a lot of what it has to offer. Definitely intend to return, if not this year then next, things like this article make decisions much easier. It's the same as French produce we have a choice whether we buy it or not. They would probably be sensible not to antagonise UK customers. Regardless of what happens with the EU, I’ve always sought to buy British produce where I can....there may be even greater British product options if things do get silly and restraints are put on mutual imports and exports.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 17, 2020 18:46:08 GMT
I went to Madeira a few years ago, beautiful island and always said I'd go back as I felt I missed a lot of what it has to offer. Definitely intend to return, if not this year then next, things like this article make decisions much easier. It's the same as French produce we have a choice whether we buy it or not. They would probably be sensible not to antagonise UK customers. Absolutely, I've always preferred a South African red wine than a French red anyway
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 17, 2020 18:49:58 GMT
Looks like the early skirmishes on the Trade Deal have started; France warns UK of bitter trade negotiationsLet’s remember who is the #1 market for most of France’s food and drink exports. We also buy loads of their cars (fuck knows why!). This though is why there is bitterness. A no deal departure is bad news all round but particularly bad for some EU countries and for some strategically important EU industries while countries like Romania and Hungary won’t give a shit (on trade at least, on handout... well that’s a different topic). I don’t get this alignment on Eu social and economic standards. From what I keep reading it was mainly the UK that actually sticks to the existing ones The single market is set up to protect eu trade not promote free trade so it inevitably makes lots of EU goods and industries uncompetitive, once the UK is free they are not tied into tbis so they will try anything and everything to keep us buying from the EU market rather than the world. Talk is of the UK pushing for a sector by sector agreement which can be signed off as agreed rather than a full FTA where nothing is agreed until all is agreed, the sector approach could help to put pressure on the EU27
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 17, 2020 19:23:20 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51538491It seems that Brussels intend to remain control freaks and do everything to protect the EU internal market. Conversely it may be simply pre-negotiation posturing. I feel much happier having a Boris lead government who will not roll over in negotiations like a May, Cameron, or Labour government. I hope the BREXIT party continue to hold the government not to make needless concessions.
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Post by Davef on Feb 17, 2020 19:55:59 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51538491It seems that Brussels intend to remain control freaks and do everything to protect the EU internal market. Conversely it may be simply pre-negotiation posturing. I feel much happier having a Boris lead government who will not roll over in negotiations like a May, Cameron, or Labour government. I hope the BREXIT party continue to hold the government not to make needless concessions. How does a party with no MPs in Parliament hold the Government to account? Mind you, I suppose they could always have a sit in and shut Westminster Bridge or dig up College Green.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 17, 2020 20:10:55 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51538491It seems that Brussels intend to remain control freaks and do everything to protect the EU internal market. Conversely it may be simply pre-negotiation posturing. I feel much happier having a Boris lead government who will not roll over in negotiations like a May, Cameron, or Labour government. I hope the BREXIT party continue to hold the government not to make needless concessions. How does a party with no MPs in Parliament hold the Government to account? Mind you, I suppose they could always have a sit in and shut Westminster Bridge or dig up College Green. No party can hold the government to account in parliament with their huge majority. I expect most opposition MPs will be undermining the removal of EU constraints on false grounds such as H & S, environment, workers rights, etc. BREXIT politicians need to use all forms of media (difficult with most pro EU media), and local elections to keep the government from wavering.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 17, 2020 20:10:59 GMT
It's the same as French produce we have a choice whether we buy it or not. They would probably be sensible not to antagonise UK customers. Absolutely, I've always preferred a South African red wine than a French red anyway Yeh.. Now we are free from the shackles of the EU we will be able to enjoy Chilean Cabernet Savignon, Australian Chardonnay and New Zealand Savignon Blanc... Who would have thought it eh... 😁
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 17, 2020 20:24:30 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51538491It seems that Brussels intend to remain control freaks and do everything to protect the EU internal market. Conversely it may be simply pre-negotiation posturing. I feel much happier having a Boris lead government who will not roll over in negotiations like a May, Cameron, or Labour government. I hope the BREXIT party continue to hold the government not to make needless concessions. How does a party with no MPs in Parliament hold the Government to account? Mind you, I suppose they could always have a sit in and shut Westminster Bridge or dig up College Green. It holds Trump style rallies sponsored by Saga River Cruises to feed the *masses* explaining how the 'United States of Europe' and 'European Army' is going to strip us of our patriotism and talking a lot about fish, blue passports and unelected beurocrats. There is then something about the admittedly loony Guy Verhoefstadt and how they need us more than we need them. Followed by chatter about the commonwealth and how there is an entire world we can trade with despite already doing it. After the appetisers are completed we get the morality check of reminding everyone that they are not racists or xenophobes (which of course not all are) but despite there being 000's of specialist vacancies in the NHS and Public Sector we are at Breaking Point. Then once the hour is up and they've taken all the soundbites they can muster from Sir Nigel they all go home and Vote Conservative.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 17, 2020 20:31:44 GMT
How does a party with no MPs in Parliament hold the Government to account? Mind you, I suppose they could always have a sit in and shut Westminster Bridge or dig up College Green. No party can hold the government to account in parliament with their huge majority. I expect most opposition MPs will be undermining the removal of EU constraints on false grounds such as H & S, environment, workers rights, etc. BREXIT politicians need to use all forms of media (difficult with most pro EU media), and local elections to keep the government from wavering. Brexit Politicians? Mostly Pro EU Media? Do you actually believe all of this, seriously 😂 As for opposing H&S, Workers Rights etc... have you ever considered moving to somewhere like Qatar?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2020 20:37:11 GMT
Absolutely, I've always preferred a South African red wine than a French red anyway Yeh.. Now we are free from the shackles of the EU we will be able to enjoy Chilean Cabernet Savignon, Australian Chardonnay and New Zealand Savignon Blanc... Who would have thought it eh... 😁 And they will be cheaper to when eu tariffs are lifted
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 17, 2020 20:48:36 GMT
Absolutely, I've always preferred a South African red wine than a French red anyway Yeh.. Now we are free from the shackles of the EU we will be able to enjoy Chilean Cabernet Savignon, Australian Chardonnay and New Zealand Savignon Blanc... Who would have thought it eh... 😁 Just because you export cheap pot to those places doesn't mean you have to drink their plonk in return
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 17, 2020 20:50:58 GMT
Yeh.. Now we are free from the shackles of the EU we will be able to enjoy Chilean Cabernet Savignon, Australian Chardonnay and New Zealand Savignon Blanc... Who would have thought it eh... 😁 And they will be cheaper to when eu tariffs are lifted Haha.. That 20p a bottle is going really help me out. That's unless the big wine importers and big supermarkets keep any reductions. That's assuming there is a saving of course. Don't count your chickens yet ( chlorinated)
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 17, 2020 21:05:46 GMT
Absolutely, I've always preferred a South African red wine than a French red anyway Yeh.. Now we are free from the shackles of the EU we will be able to enjoy Chilean Cabernet Savignon, Australian Chardonnay and New Zealand Savignon Blanc... Who would have thought it eh... 😁 Double bonus, I'll only buy Cabernet Sauvignon and Pinot Noir not produced by France just because I can. Who would have thought it?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2020 21:05:51 GMT
And they will be cheaper to when eu tariffs are lifted Haha.. That 20p a bottle is going really help me out. That's unless the big wine importers and big supermarkets keep any reductions. That's assuming there is a saving of course. Don't count your chickens yet ( chlorinated) Plus the 20p that's soon going on French wine That's a forty pence switch
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 18, 2020 7:44:22 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 18, 2020 8:00:34 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 18, 2020 8:40:55 GMT
Yeh.. Now we are free from the shackles of the EU we will be able to enjoy Chilean Cabernet Savignon, Australian Chardonnay and New Zealand Savignon Blanc... Who would have thought it eh... 😁 Just because you export cheap pot to those places doesn't mean you have to drink their plonk in return "cheap" ? 😁😁😎
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 18, 2020 10:26:59 GMT
Ever eaten a bagged salad or maybe a sandwich with salad in it If so hope you enjoyed your chlorine washed meal This clorinated poultry bollocks is nothing more than vested interests trying to protect there monopolies at the cost of the consumer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 10:36:00 GMT
Ever eaten a bagged salad or maybe a sandwich with salad in it If so hope you enjoyed your chlorine washed meal This clorinated poultry bollocks is nothing more than vested interests trying to protect there monopolies at the cost of the consumer Chlorinated chicken isn’t actually the main issue, it simply masks the appalling food standards regulations in the US. 1 in 6 Americans suffer from food borne diseases each year, compared to 1 in 60 in the UK. The chlorination process is only prevalent because of the appalling welfare standards going on behind the scenes....
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Post by maxplonk on Feb 18, 2020 10:45:44 GMT
Ever eaten a bagged salad or maybe a sandwich with salad in it If so hope you enjoyed your chlorine washed meal This clorinated poultry bollocks is nothing more than vested interests trying to protect there monopolies at the cost of the consumer Lettuce doesn't shit. Chickens, on the other hand......
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 18, 2020 10:45:57 GMT
Ever eaten a bagged salad or maybe a sandwich with salad in it If so hope you enjoyed your chlorine washed meal This clorinated poultry bollocks is nothing more than vested interests trying to protect there monopolies at the cost of the consumer Chlorinated chicken isn’t actually the main issue, it simply masks the appalling food standards regulations in the US. 1 in 6 Americans suffer from food borne diseases each year, compared to 1 in 60 in the UK. The chlorination process is only prevalent because of the appalling welfare standards going on behind the scenes.... Always the issue, it's the race to the bottom to save costs and being sloppy with standards, not the chlorine itself.
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