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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 18, 2020 11:08:33 GMT
Ever eaten a bagged salad or maybe a sandwich with salad in it If so hope you enjoyed your chlorine washed meal This clorinated poultry bollocks is nothing more than vested interests trying to protect there monopolies at the cost of the consumer Chlorinated chicken isn’t actually the main issue, it simply masks the appalling food standards regulations in the US. 1 in 6 Americans suffer from food borne diseases each year, compared to 1 in 60 in the UK. The chlorination process is only prevalent because of the appalling welfare standards going on behind the scenes.... You can’t really compare rates of food poisoning between the US and UK - FullFact
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 18, 2020 12:10:07 GMT
It's not worth getting in a flap about ..😎
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 12:33:21 GMT
Chlorinated chicken isn’t actually the main issue, it simply masks the appalling food standards regulations in the US. 1 in 6 Americans suffer from food borne diseases each year, compared to 1 in 60 in the UK. The chlorination process is only prevalent because of the appalling welfare standards going on behind the scenes.... You can’t really compare rates of food poisoning between the US and UK - FullFactYou could use the death rates instead then, they’re 6 times higher in the US. Or cases of death by salmonella in the last 15 years (0 in the UK, 400 in the US), or listeria (10 times higher in the US). Or just standard guidelines where it s recommended you eat hard boiled eggs only for example. In short US standards leave a lot to be desired.....
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 18, 2020 16:16:24 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 18, 2020 20:35:39 GMT
Everyone best buckle up going to be a fun few months.
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Post by riverman on Feb 18, 2020 21:34:45 GMT
Which food can we not buy from the rest of the world? I frequently use Asian, Caribbean, Chinese and British supermarkets and there's an abundance of imported foodstuffs from all corners of the globe.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 18, 2020 22:10:59 GMT
Everyone best buckle up going to be a fun few months. May end up stretching the Royal Navy a little, but I knew we built those two aircraft carriers for a reason.😂😂😂😂
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 19, 2020 0:24:56 GMT
Which food can we not buy from the rest of the world? I frequently use Asian, Caribbean, Chinese and British supermarkets and there's an abundance of imported foodstuffs from all corners of the globe. Did I say we cannot buy food from the rest of the world? I said we would be free of EU regulation. ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/trade-non-eu-countries/import-eu_enEU tariffs on most agricultural products can be very high - dairy averages more than 35% and for some meat products, such as lamb, it is more than 40%, although animals products are on average 15.5%. Fish and fruit products from outside the EU carry a mean 11% tariff. So tomatoes from Morocco carry a tax that Dutch, Spanish and Polish tomatoes don't. When free of EU regulation you will be able to enjoy your Asian, Caribbean, and Chinese products free of tariff, assuming of course that the UK government doesn't put a tariff on to protect UK farmers! We all used to eat British and New Zealand butter when I was young, but after we joined the EEC ("common market") Danish butter pushed New Zealand butter out of the market because it was subsidised by European tax payers. As you have indicated in your post, out of the EU we will be able to buy far more food from the rest of the world, particularly the Commonwealth nations, and not be dependant on 75% from Europe.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 19, 2020 7:35:12 GMT
Which food can we not buy from the rest of the world? I frequently use Asian, Caribbean, Chinese and British supermarkets and there's an abundance of imported foodstuffs from all corners of the globe. Did I say we cannot buy food from the rest of the world? I said we would be free of EU regulation. ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/trade-non-eu-countries/import-eu_enEU tariffs on most agricultural products can be very high - dairy averages more than 35% and for some meat products, such as lamb, it is more than 40%, although animals products are on average 15.5%. Fish and fruit products from outside the EU carry a mean 11% tariff. So tomatoes from Morocco carry a tax that Dutch, Spanish and Polish tomatoes don't. When free of EU regulation you will be able to enjoy your Asian, Caribbean, and Chinese products free of tariff, assuming of course that the UK government doesn't put a tariff on to protect UK farmers! We all used to eat British and New Zealand butter when I was young, but after we joined the EEC ("common market") Danish butter pushed New Zealand butter out of the market because it was subsidised by European tax payers. As you have indicated in your post, out of the EU we will be able to buy far more food from the rest of the world, particularly the Commonwealth nations, and not be dependant on 75% from Europe. Brexit: France fears no-deal blow to farmsThere’s a double whammy for French farmers. First - they could see a huge drop in sales to a major market. Second - prices will fall in their domestic market because of over supply (that product they couldn’t sell to the UK will still be produced - those apples will still grow). Of course, the EU could compensate them for lost sales due to the impact of a no deal Brexit. But, they won’t have the cash to do that. With that scenario, what do you think the French farmers will do? Answer - cause a shit storm in France. This is why Brussels needs to wake up to the realities of what no deal means.
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Post by riverman on Feb 19, 2020 8:54:46 GMT
Which food can we not buy from the rest of the world? I frequently use Asian, Caribbean, Chinese and British supermarkets and there's an abundance of imported foodstuffs from all corners of the globe. Did I say we cannot buy food from the rest of the world? I said we would be free of EU regulation. ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/trade-non-eu-countries/import-eu_enEU tariffs on most agricultural products can be very high - dairy averages more than 35% and for some meat products, such as lamb, it is more than 40%, although animals products are on average 15.5%. Fish and fruit products from outside the EU carry a mean 11% tariff. So tomatoes from Morocco carry a tax that Dutch, Spanish and Polish tomatoes don't. When free of EU regulation you will be able to enjoy your Asian, Caribbean, and Chinese products free of tariff, assuming of course that the UK government doesn't put a tariff on to protect UK farmers! We all used to eat British and New Zealand butter when I was young, but after we joined the EEC ("common market") Danish butter pushed New Zealand butter out of the market because it was subsidised by European tax payers. As you have indicated in your post, out of the EU we will be able to buy far more food from the rest of the world, particularly the Commonwealth nations, and not be dependant on 75% from Europe. You said that once we are free of EU regulations we will be free to trade with the rest of the world, the implication being we have been unable to, this is hogwash. We have always been free to trade under terms negotiated by the EU as a member of the WTO. We now have to re-negotiate independently with 160 other nations ( which includes the EU), some of whom may be hostile towards us,the same or better terms. We could quite easily end up worse off. Only time will tell. As an aside, you mention New Zealand butter. I presume this to be New Zealand Anchor butter which is still readily available and tariff free due to production moving over here in 2012 with no interference from the EU. There's plenty of British butter to be had also along side European products.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 19, 2020 8:59:42 GMT
Home Secretary
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Post by Davef on Feb 19, 2020 9:07:04 GMT
Home Secretary Norway are members of the EEA and EFTA which gives them equal status to EU countries in the Single Market. I think it's Ben* who's looking the twat here, not Diane Abbott. * Edit - and Kay Burley. Four years of this shit and a leading UK journalist can't get her head around this fact.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 19, 2020 13:13:57 GMT
Did I say we cannot buy food from the rest of the world? I said we would be free of EU regulation. ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/trade-non-eu-countries/import-eu_enEU tariffs on most agricultural products can be very high - dairy averages more than 35% and for some meat products, such as lamb, it is more than 40%, although animals products are on average 15.5%. Fish and fruit products from outside the EU carry a mean 11% tariff. So tomatoes from Morocco carry a tax that Dutch, Spanish and Polish tomatoes don't. When free of EU regulation you will be able to enjoy your Asian, Caribbean, and Chinese products free of tariff, assuming of course that the UK government doesn't put a tariff on to protect UK farmers! We all used to eat British and New Zealand butter when I was young, but after we joined the EEC ("common market") Danish butter pushed New Zealand butter out of the market because it was subsidised by European tax payers. As you have indicated in your post, out of the EU we will be able to buy far more food from the rest of the world, particularly the Commonwealth nations, and not be dependant on 75% from Europe. Brexit: France fears no-deal blow to farmsThere’s a double whammy for French farmers. First - they could see a huge drop in sales to a major market. Second - prices will fall in their domestic market because of over supply (that product they couldn’t sell to the UK will still be produced - those apples will still grow). Of course, the EU could compensate them for lost sales due to the impact of a no deal Brexit. But, they won’t have the cash to do that. With that scenario, what do you think the French farmers will do? Answer - cause a shit storm in France. This is why Brussels needs to wake up to the realities of what no deal means. I think you mean Australia style deal Reading the below speech I have no doubt that is where we are headed unless the EU offers a FTA and yet again Cummings is ahead of the rejoiners as the rebrand has already begun by the time they wake up it will be too late to try and scare people with no deal. blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/full-text-top-uk-brexit-negotiator-david-frost-on-his-plans-for-an-eu-trade-deal/
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 19, 2020 15:13:59 GMT
I can't work out whether this Government is completely incompetent or totally disingenuous after this Canada style tweet.
Probably a bit from pile one and a lot from pile two.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 19, 2020 21:28:24 GMT
Did I say we cannot buy food from the rest of the world? I said we would be free of EU regulation. ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/trade-non-eu-countries/import-eu_enEU tariffs on most agricultural products can be very high - dairy averages more than 35% and for some meat products, such as lamb, it is more than 40%, although animals products are on average 15.5%. Fish and fruit products from outside the EU carry a mean 11% tariff. So tomatoes from Morocco carry a tax that Dutch, Spanish and Polish tomatoes don't. When free of EU regulation you will be able to enjoy your Asian, Caribbean, and Chinese products free of tariff, assuming of course that the UK government doesn't put a tariff on to protect UK farmers! We all used to eat British and New Zealand butter when I was young, but after we joined the EEC ("common market") Danish butter pushed New Zealand butter out of the market because it was subsidised by European tax payers. As you have indicated in your post, out of the EU we will be able to buy far more food from the rest of the world, particularly the Commonwealth nations, and not be dependant on 75% from Europe. You said that once we are free of EU regulations we will be free to trade with the rest of the world, the implication being we have been unable to, this is hogwash. We have always been free to trade under terms negotiated by the EU as a member of the WTO. We now have to re-negotiate independently with 160 other nations ( which includes the EU), some of whom may be hostile towards us,the same or better terms. We could quite easily end up worse off. Only time will tell. As an aside, you mention New Zealand butter. I presume this to be New Zealand Anchor butter which is still readily available and tariff free due to production moving over here in 2012 with no interference from the EU. There's plenty of British butter to be had also along side European products. I have not said we are not free to trade, I said we will be free to trade without EU regulations. I attached a link to the EU rules in my post. We are the 5th biggest economy in the world (although India is expected to overtake us this year) and a 60 million population, so the vast amount of countries will be falling over themselves to establish trade agreements with us, including the EU who have a massive (>£60 billion pa) trade balance with us. Anchor butter is no longer from New Zealand: www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11173058 Please read my links and open your mind. If the UK has the negative attitude you have we will be worse off. Personally I have far greater faith in the talent of the British people. Our trade with the rest of the world is growing well particularly with USA and China. 90% of future world economic growth will be outside the EU, with whom most of our exports already are. We are a world wide trading nation and have huge advantages with our own floating currency, the English language, and our national talents forinventiveness, flexibility, ability to get on well with most nations. Unfortunately we seem to have more difficulty getting on with each other.
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Post by Davef on Feb 19, 2020 22:15:27 GMT
You said that once we are free of EU regulations we will be free to trade with the rest of the world, the implication being we have been unable to, this is hogwash. We have always been free to trade under terms negotiated by the EU as a member of the WTO. We now have to re-negotiate independently with 160 other nations ( which includes the EU), some of whom may be hostile towards us,the same or better terms. We could quite easily end up worse off. Only time will tell. As an aside, you mention New Zealand butter. I presume this to be New Zealand Anchor butter which is still readily available and tariff free due to production moving over here in 2012 with no interference from the EU. There's plenty of British butter to be had also along side European products. I have not said we are not free to trade, I said we will be free to trade without EU regulations. I attached a link to the EU rules in my post. We are the 5th biggest economy in the world (although India is expected to overtake us this year) and a 60 million population, so the vast amount of countries will be falling over themselves to establish trade agreements with us, including the EU who have a massive (>£60 billion pa) trade balance with us. Anchor butter is no longer from New Zealand: www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11173058 Please read my links and open your mind. If the UK has the negative attitude you have we will be worse off. Personally I have far greater faith in the talent of the British people. Our trade with the rest of the world is growing well particularly with USA and China. 90% of future world economic growth will be outside the EU, with whom most of our exports already are. We are a world wide trading nation and have huge advantages with our own floating currency, the English language, and our national talents forinventiveness, flexibility, ability to get on well with most nations. Unfortunately we seem to have more difficulty getting on with each other. You are falling into the trap though of believing that it is the EU who sets these regulations when nothing could be further from the truth. EU regulations based around food and vehicle standards are set by UN global bodies (of which we are now a member state in our own right) and then incorporated into EU law. When we come to trade with the rest of the world we will follow these exact same regulations or we simply don't trade globally.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 19, 2020 22:32:55 GMT
I have not said we are not free to trade, I said we will be free to trade without EU regulations. I attached a link to the EU rules in my post. We are the 5th biggest economy in the world (although India is expected to overtake us this year) and a 60 million population, so the vast amount of countries will be falling over themselves to establish trade agreements with us, including the EU who have a massive (>£60 billion pa) trade balance with us. Anchor butter is no longer from New Zealand: www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11173058 Please read my links and open your mind. If the UK has the negative attitude you have we will be worse off. Personally I have far greater faith in the talent of the British people. Our trade with the rest of the world is growing well particularly with USA and China. 90% of future world economic growth will be outside the EU, with whom most of our exports already are. We are a world wide trading nation and have huge advantages with our own floating currency, the English language, and our national talents forinventiveness, flexibility, ability to get on well with most nations. Unfortunately we seem to have more difficulty getting on with each other. You are falling into the trap though of believing that it is the EU who sets these regulations when nothing could be further from the truth. EU regulations based around food and vehicle standards are set by UN global bodies (of which we are now a member state in our own right) and then incorporated into EU law. When we come to trade with the rest of the world we will follow these exact same regulations or we simply don't trade globally. If that's the case, makes you wonder why so many people were terrified of leaving the EU.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 22:45:39 GMT
You are falling into the trap though of believing that it is the EU who sets these regulations when nothing could be further from the truth. EU regulations based around food and vehicle standards are set by UN global bodies (of which we are now a member state in our own right) and then incorporated into EU law. When we come to trade with the rest of the world we will follow these exact same regulations or we simply don't trade globally. If that's the case, makes you wonder why so many people were terrified of leaving the EU. Codex,WHO and the WTO as Dave says we are a member so we dont need the EU to set rules we are part of the organisation that sets the standard globally. We lead in such things not follow although some is voluntary but most is globally accepted. So WTO rules are a global standard for trade.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 20, 2020 0:23:35 GMT
I have not said we are not free to trade, I said we will be free to trade without EU regulations. I attached a link to the EU rules in my post. We are the 5th biggest economy in the world (although India is expected to overtake us this year) and a 60 million population, so the vast amount of countries will be falling over themselves to establish trade agreements with us, including the EU who have a massive (>£60 billion pa) trade balance with us. Anchor butter is no longer from New Zealand: www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11173058 Please read my links and open your mind. If the UK has the negative attitude you have we will be worse off. Personally I have far greater faith in the talent of the British people. Our trade with the rest of the world is growing well particularly with USA and China. 90% of future world economic growth will be outside the EU, with whom most of our exports already are. We are a world wide trading nation and have huge advantages with our own floating currency, the English language, and our national talents forinventiveness, flexibility, ability to get on well with most nations. Unfortunately we seem to have more difficulty getting on with each other. You are falling into the trap though of believing that it is the EU who sets these regulations when nothing could be further from the truth. EU regulations based around food and vehicle standards are set by UN global bodies (of which we are now a member state in our own right) and then incorporated into EU law. When we come to trade with the rest of the world we will follow these exact same regulations or we simply don't trade globally. If you look further back in the discussion, I am not talking about food standards I am talking about tariffs, which EU imposes to keep out cheap food imports and protect EU farmers and food processors from world competition. Extract from my post above: EU tariffs on most agricultural products can be very high - dairy averages more than 35% and for some meat products, such as lamb, it is more than 40%, although animals products are on average 15.5%. Fish and fruit products from outside the EU carry a mean 11% tariff...……….assuming of course that the UK government doesn't put a tariff on to protect UK farmers!
If we really care about the third world, we should help them by importing their agricultural products to supplement our own.
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Post by Davef on Feb 20, 2020 13:16:45 GMT
You are falling into the trap though of believing that it is the EU who sets these regulations when nothing could be further from the truth. EU regulations based around food and vehicle standards are set by UN global bodies (of which we are now a member state in our own right) and then incorporated into EU law. When we come to trade with the rest of the world we will follow these exact same regulations or we simply don't trade globally. If you look further back in the discussion, I am not talking about food standards I am talking about tariffs, which EU imposes to keep out cheap food imports and protect EU farmers and food processors from world competition. Extract from my post above: EU tariffs on most agricultural products can be very high - dairy averages more than 35% and for some meat products, such as lamb, it is more than 40%, although animals products are on average 15.5%. Fish and fruit products from outside the EU carry a mean 11% tariff...……….assuming of course that the UK government doesn't put a tariff on to protect UK farmers!
If we really care about the third world, we should help them by importing their agricultural products to supplement our own.
I'm not sure it's quite that simple. Countries have to submit their own tariff schedules and unless you have a bilateral trade deal, WTO rules dictate that you can't just slash tariffs without the agreement of WTO member states. Besides which, any attempt to remove tariffs would probably impact any deal we attempt with the EU. And if we really wanted to help out struggling African nations we could probably do a lot more to help aid actually get to them...
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 21, 2020 18:44:54 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 21, 2020 19:32:29 GMT
No DealSummit breaks up with no agreement.
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Post by felonious on Feb 21, 2020 19:33:37 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 21, 2020 19:41:50 GMT
Seems nobody wants to pick up our tab
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Post by felonious on Feb 21, 2020 19:50:27 GMT
Seems nobody wants to pick up our tab It's only a net £9 billion according to that report.... plus sovereignty
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 21, 2020 19:59:14 GMT
Seems nobody wants to pick up our tab It's only a net £9 billion according to that report.... plus sovereignty x 7 years (plus increases) =£63bn+. Add to that new funding for environment, "security" etc and you can see how they have a €75bn hole. Anyway, they've all buggered off home and will come back next month and thereafter until they get it "right". Wonder if they had time to discuss their stance on out FTA as planned
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Post by felonious on Feb 21, 2020 20:06:25 GMT
It's only a net £9 billion according to that report.... plus sovereignty x 7 years (plus increases) =£63bn+. Add to that new funding for environment, "security" etc and you can see how they have a €75bn hole. Anyway, they've all buggered off home and will come back next month and thereafter until they get it "right". Wonder if they had time to discuss their stance on out FTA as planned The frugal four can fork out
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Post by foster on Feb 21, 2020 20:18:07 GMT
x 7 years (plus increases) =£63bn+. Add to that new funding for environment, "security" etc and you can see how they have a €75bn hole. Anyway, they've all buggered off home and will come back next month and thereafter until they get it "right". Wonder if they had time to discuss their stance on out FTA as planned The frugal four can fork out Don't really get this obsession with the EU and their difficulties when we've got enough to sort out at home. Seems a bit pathetic to me. Brexit has happened. Move on.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 21, 2020 20:21:19 GMT
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Post by felonious on Feb 21, 2020 20:27:08 GMT
The frugal four can fork out Don't really get this obsession with the EU and their difficulties when we've got enough to sort out at home. Seems a bit pathetic to me. Brexit has happened. Move on. Oh dear
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