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Post by mrcoke on May 29, 2017 0:14:09 GMT
Man Utd fans not wanting to keep him and his value to us are two massively different things are they not? We are fishing in a completely different pond to Manchester United regardless of the fact that we are in the same division and Wayne Rooney would definitely be a massive asset to a side like us. I simply do not agree with your assessment that he is totally fucked, to the point where he wouldn't excel in a mid table to bottom half premier league side, he's too good not to be able to be the best player in a side like ours,can you imagine him not being Watfords best player for example? He definitely would be. I don't think he would be. I genuinely don't think he's up to this level anymore. It's not a case of 'just because he's not good enough for them doesn't mean he's not good enough for us', because a lot of fringe players at top clubs would be ideal. But the way Rooney has played for the last 2-3 seasons isn't just shit by their standards, it's shit by any standards. To me, it looks like his legs have gone. The league is getting faster, pace, energy, pressing are more important than ever before, and he looks knackered and immobile and hasn't played consistently well for years. You are talking about the same guy who sunk us last January when he came on after 67 minutes and scored a brilliant goal after 94 minutes? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2017 1:23:39 GMT
I don't think he would be. I genuinely don't think he's up to this level anymore. It's not a case of 'just because he's not good enough for them doesn't mean he's not good enough for us', because a lot of fringe players at top clubs would be ideal. But the way Rooney has played for the last 2-3 seasons isn't just shit by their standards, it's shit by any standards. To me, it looks like his legs have gone. The league is getting faster, pace, energy, pressing are more important than ever before, and he looks knackered and immobile and hasn't played consistently well for years. You are talking about the same guy who sunk us last January when he came on after 67 minutes and scored a brilliant goal after 94 minutes? Yep. He took one free kick. This isn't hockey, where you can bring someone on to do that and nowt else. It's also the player who has been running in treacle for the past three years. |
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Post by Cast no shadow on May 29, 2017 1:57:26 GMT
This was inevitable as soon as he named his son klay.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 29, 2017 2:01:34 GMT
The more I think about this, the happier I become with it (even if it is bollocks). I might hate him cause he's a proper chav and probably not very nice, but he is mint and still believe he'll be mint for a while.
I'm not too fussed about the long term issue, he's probably worth a couple of places in the table by himself.
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Post by slother on May 29, 2017 5:02:55 GMT
Why is anyone taking this seriously? Is there any hard evidence? It strikes me that it's the biggest load of nonsense I've ever read.
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Post by peterthornesboots on May 29, 2017 5:23:06 GMT
Why is anyone taking this seriously? Is there any hard evidence? It strikes me that it's the biggest load of nonsense I've ever read. Sent from my Nexus 6P using proboards This. I'm not sure why people are taking this seriously? Our hierarchy aren't stupid - throwing that kind of money at Rooney will not even be considered. However, if he's willing to fit within our wage structure and no transfer fee is required then why not consider a move? |
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Post by iamcliveclarke on May 29, 2017 6:49:00 GMT
I'd rather give another chance to Bojan, Imbula or one of the youth team before seeing the granny shaggger here. It should be about football not how much he could be worth in advertising. He offers nothing in football, he's a spent force.
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Post by sasfan on May 29, 2017 7:12:38 GMT
I think Rooney is still a great player and a class above most of our current squad but we don't need to add to our list of over 30's, no matter who they are.
I can't believe he'd consider moving here anyway.
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Post by jeycov on May 29, 2017 7:18:29 GMT
You are talking about the same guy who sunk us last January when he came on after 67 minutes and scored a brilliant goal after 94 minutes? Yep. He took one free kick. This isn't hockey, where you can bring someone on to do that and nowt else. It's also the player who has been running in treacle for the past three years. But that free kick stopped us getting all 3 points. IF true, will he have a contract that guarantees him a certain amount of playing time? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2017 7:29:25 GMT
Yep. He took one free kick. This isn't hockey, where you can bring someone on to do that and nowt else. It's also the player who has been running in treacle for the past three years. But that free kick stopped us getting all 3 points. IF true, will he have a contract that guarantees him a certain amount of playing time? And? Shall we spend £45m to let him take the free kicks? |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 29, 2017 7:51:09 GMT
No, No and thrice No.
We arent the bloody LA Galaxy. If we are signing players to boost the image of the club's brand and to help BET365 then we for sure are gonna come unstuck.
The whole reasoning behind the story is scary as hell. BET365 want more exposure so lets buy an overpaid has-been to jog around the pitch and help our business grow in Asia.
Alarm bells
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Post by drfootball on May 29, 2017 8:23:07 GMT
No, No and thrice No. We arent the bloody LA Galaxy. If we are signing players to boost the image of the club's brand and to help BET365 then we for sure are gonna come unstuck. The whole reasoning behind the story is scary as hell. BET365 want more exposure so lets buy an overpaid has-been to jog around the pitch and help our business grow in Asia. Alarm bells Michael Owen all over again 😉 |
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Post by mrcoke on May 29, 2017 8:35:22 GMT
He still can bring a lot to Stoke. When you look back at the past season, one of the most memorable features is own inability to pass our way out of defence. Passes either go sideways, backwards, or to the other side. Rooney could do a lot for us commanding the midfield and distributing the ball accurately.
Some of the abusive comments about his ability are puerile, the guy would not be turning out for ManU if he was no good, it is just that ManU have spent megabucks on other players who are ahead of him. Players that will never come near Stoke, and like N'Zonzi would want to leave to improve themselves if they were good enough.
I agree the talk of him coming could be just a ruse by his agent, to get the Chinese or Everton to put an offer on the table. However there must have been some sort of approach or suggestion which would have had the nod from PC and we did go and get Owen. That didn't work out but it was worth the punt.
Stoke are never going to attract top class players. The best we can hope for is to find youngsters like Ramadan, or take a punt on "brilliant misfits" whose career is bogged down (Arni, Bojan, Shaq, Imbula, Berahino, dare I say Palacios) and hope it works out. The alternatives are signing players like Rooney, Johnson, and Affelay at the end of their career, or "growing our own". The chances of getting players who are not quite up to the top 6 clubs standards like Shawcross and Allen are remote as we will generally lose out to the likes of Newcastle, London clubs, Everton, etc who are far more attractive to play for. Shawcross and Allen probably came because of the persuasiveness of the manager.
I won't cry if we don't get him, but I would be pleased if we did because I think he could spark the rest of the team and young players would be helped with him in the side.
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Post by Pugsley on May 29, 2017 8:42:36 GMT
He still can bring a lot to Stoke. When you look back at the past season, one of the most memorable features is own inability to pass our way out of defence. Passes either go sideways, backwards, or to the other side. Rooney could do a lot for us commanding the midfield and distributing the ball accurately. Some of the abusive comments about his ability are puerile, the guy would not be turning out for ManU if he was no good, it is just that ManU have spent megabucks on other players who are ahead of him. Players that will never come near Stoke, and like N'Zonzi would want to leave to improve themselves if they were good enough. I agree the talk of him coming could be just a ruse by his agent, to get the Chinese or Everton to put an offer on the table. However there must have been some sort of approach or suggestion which would have had the nod from PC and we did go and get Owen. That didn't work out but it was worth the punt.
Stoke are never going to attract top class players. The best we can hope for is to find youngsters like Ramadan, or take a punt on "brilliant misfits" whose career is bogged down (Arni, Bojan, Shaq, Imbula, Berahino, dare I say Palacios) and hope it works out. The alternatives are signing players like Rooney, Johnson, and Affelay at the end of their career, or "growing our own". The chances of getting players who are not quite up to the top 6 clubs standards like Shawcross and Allen are remote as we will generally lose out to the likes of Newcastle, London clubs, Everton, etc who are far more attractive to play for. Shawcross and Allen probably came because of the persuasiveness of the manager. I won't cry if we don't get him, but I would be pleased if we did because I think he could spark the rest of the team and young players would be helped with him in the side. Owen (one goal in one start) didn't work because the tool who brought him in hadn't a clue what to do with him and set the team up accordingly... ...oh shit |
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Post by luke45 on May 29, 2017 9:13:17 GMT
He still can bring a lot to Stoke. When you look back at the past season, one of the most memorable features is own inability to pass our way out of defence. Passes either go sideways, backwards, or to the other side. Rooney could do a lot for us commanding the midfield and distributing the ball accurately. Some of the abusive comments about his ability are puerile, the guy would not be turning out for ManU if he was no good, it is just that ManU have spent megabucks on other players who are ahead of him. Players that will never come near Stoke, and like N'Zonzi would want to leave to improve themselves if they were good enough. I agree the talk of him coming could be just a ruse by his agent, to get the Chinese or Everton to put an offer on the table. However there must have been some sort of approach or suggestion which would have had the nod from PC and we did go and get Owen. That didn't work out but it was worth the punt.
Stoke are never going to attract top class players. The best we can hope for is to find youngsters like Ramadan, or take a punt on "brilliant misfits" whose career is bogged down (Arni, Bojan, Shaq, Imbula, Berahino, dare I say Palacios) and hope it works out. The alternatives are signing players like Rooney, Johnson, and Affelay at the end of their career, or "growing our own". The chances of getting players who are not quite up to the top 6 clubs standards like Shawcross and Allen are remote as we will generally lose out to the likes of Newcastle, London clubs, Everton, etc who are far more attractive to play for. Shawcross and Allen probably came because of the persuasiveness of the manager. I won't cry if we don't get him, but I would be pleased if we did because I think he could spark the rest of the team and young players would be helped with him in the side. Good post - agree with all of that. I still think Rooney has plenty more to offer at Premier League level. Even this season in a campaign where his opportunities have been limited he's managed to get 5 goals and 5 assists in 15 starts in the league and maintain a pass success rate close to 85 percent. He's certainly not finished at 31, I remember Ryan Giggs had a similar stage in his career in his early to mid thirties where he had to adapt his game from being a winger to playing more centrally, he was able to continue until 40 in that role. I don't expect Rooney to continue that long but I certainly think he's got 2 or 3 more Premier League seasons in him. If we predominantly stick with 4-2-3-1 I think he could play as the more advanced midfielder in a two or in the number 10 role, it would be important we have a good Whelan upgrade playing with him though who could do the bulk of the defensive work. I don't expect Rooney to join but I'll be very happy if he does. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2017 9:14:46 GMT
Rooney so far hasn't shown any signs of being able to adapt his game though. That's been a big part of the problem in his decline.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 29, 2017 9:29:17 GMT
If that £45m layout can bring in a healthy profit from whatever source,then bring it on.
If the deal did come off,would he be given the captaincy over Ryan?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 29, 2017 9:57:58 GMT
If that £45m layout can bring in a healthy profit from whatever source,then bring it on. If the deal did come off,would he be given the captaincy over Ryan? According to some on here Ryan won't be here anyway. |
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Post by mrcoke on May 29, 2017 10:19:06 GMT
If that £45m layout can bring in a healthy profit from whatever source,then bring it on. If the deal did come off,would he be given the captaincy over Ryan? That thought crossed my mind also. Giving him the captaincy is natural as former ManU and England captain, it fits. Tough on Ryan, who has been one of the greatest servants Stoke have ever had. But time moves on and we need more CB options and it needs to be clear he is playing for his place. Whereas the team could be built around Rooney for the next couple of years. Where to play him? I would play him deeper. He hasn't got a lot of speed these days but his passing ability is excellent and he can defend. Having him feeding Arni/Ramadan/Shaq wide or threading through balls to Berahino or possibly Bojan, could be brilliant. My mind is flicking back to the 70s when we had a great team that won the LC and then Waddington improved it by buying Hudson; Rooney could play the Hudson role. |
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Post by stantheman on May 29, 2017 12:15:41 GMT
Is this much different than when we were being linked with Crouch?
In terms if him being Captain - yes please. I love Ryan, and always will, but he is not captain material and would probably improve his game if the armband was taken off him.
Didn't Wayne give Ryan a welcoming arm around the shoulder when Ryan was called up for England?
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Post by werrington on May 29, 2017 12:19:54 GMT
Is this much different than when we were being linked with Crouch? In terms if him being Captain - yes please. I love Ryan, and always will, but he is not captain material and would probably improve his game if the armband was taken off him. Didn't Wayne give Ryan a welcoming arm around the shoulder when Ryan was called up for England? Gerrard mate |
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Post by muglump on May 29, 2017 12:41:01 GMT
I can't wait till this is proven to be bollocks - seems like smoke and mirrors to me, or just a lazy journalist making up shit to fill column space more like.
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Post by teskofc on May 29, 2017 12:48:30 GMT
I can't wait till this is proven to be bollocks - seems like smoke and mirrors to me, or just a lazy journalist making up shit to fill column space more like. I genuinely thought the same. It's as if 2x journalists got together with little - to - no leads to write up on, did the bare minimum research into clubs the same calibre as Everton and made a tenuous link to another of them being interested in a star player just because one club in particular has "financial clout" Based on that rational they may as well link us to any top clubs players that are coming towards the end of their contract. |
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Post by muglump on May 29, 2017 12:59:47 GMT
I can't wait till this is proven to be bollocks - seems like smoke and mirrors to me, or just a lazy journalist making up shit to fill column space more like. I genuinely thought the same. It's as if 2x journalists got together with little - to - no leads to write up on, did the bare minimum research into clubs the same calibre as Everton and made a tenuous link to another of them being interested in a star player just because one club in particular has "financial clout" Based on that rational they may as well link us to any top clubs players that are coming towards the end of their contract. This. Although we all seemed to have fallen for it. Ah well, I'm sure we can expect a lot more of this sort of shit in the next few months. |
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Post by kustokie on May 29, 2017 13:32:12 GMT
This is showing signs of a growing problem in the US with professional atheletes in all the major sports, where the star players are being paid more by the sponsors than they are by the teams they play for. It's very difficult to serve two masters, because conflicts of interest are almost inevitable. We already have examples of NFL players not showing up for pre-season training because of prior commitments to shoe companies. It's going to get interesting.
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Post by Northy on May 29, 2017 13:46:59 GMT
Are we really turning our nose up at Wayne Rooney ? Jesus wept what have we become hopeful of a younger and faster team? |
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Post by cozmick on May 29, 2017 14:08:05 GMT
Are we really turning our nose up at Wayne Rooney ? Jesus wept what have we become hopeful of a younger and faster team? Diouf, bojan, affelley, Ramadan, Berahino, Arnie, shaqiri...... Look where we finished in the league, this age and pace bollocks doesn't always work. |
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Post by samba :) on May 29, 2017 14:34:39 GMT
Commentator:
And its been a terrible nil nil here on the opening day of the season beetween stoke and Manchester united, Rooney hasnt really shone on his debut.
He's got the ball here with twenty seconds left, 40 yards out in midfield, place a one two with bojan around herrera. ROONEY ON THE volley...
Stoke have won it
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 14:35:03 GMT
Are we really turning our nose up at Wayne Rooney ? Jesus wept what have we become hopeful of a younger and faster team? Shrek OUT. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2017 14:49:37 GMT
hopeful of a younger and faster team? Diouf, bojan, affelley, Ramadan, Berahino, Arnie, shaqiri...... Look where we finished in the league, this age and pace bollocks doesn't always work. Yeah? Find me a successful team that doesn't have any. Also, we're hardly the poster boys for 'this age and pace bollocks'. We look like the slowest team in the league. |
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