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Post by stantheman on May 29, 2017 15:03:28 GMT
Are we really turning our nose up at Wayne Rooney ? Jesus wept what have we become I'm amazed that there is the level of negativity regarding this potential deal. I think he could add so, so much extra to us as a Club/brand which wouldn't take long to pay off any initial outlay. I don't care if Bet 365 are the main instigators in this deal, just get it done. |
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Post by MilanStokie on May 29, 2017 15:04:12 GMT
Diouf, bojan, affelley, Ramadan, Berahino, Arnie, shaqiri...... Look where we finished in the league, this age and pace bollocks doesn't always work. Yeah? Find me a successful team that doesn't have any. Also, we're hardly the poster boys for 'this age and pace bollocks'. We look like the slowest team in the league. We aren't a slow team because we have slow players though... We looked fast when N'Zonzi was in the team because he was the perfect link between defence and attack. We looked fast with Adam, Walters and Whelan in the team when we were stuffing Liverpool by 6 goals. The personnel hasnt changed much, in fact you would expect faster play with Shaqiri instead of Walters, Allen instead of Adam etc. The fact is, we dont have a central midfield that can play out fast or accurate enough. We really miss N'Zonzi that much. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2017 15:06:22 GMT
Are we really turning our nose up at Wayne Rooney ? Jesus wept what have we become I'm amazed that there is the level of negativity regarding this potential deal. I think he could add so, so much extra to us as a Club/brand which wouldn't take long to pay off any initial outlay. I don't care if Bet 365 are the main instigators in this deal, just get it done. Fuck 'the brand', seriously. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 29, 2017 15:06:51 GMT
Yeah? Find me a successful team that doesn't have any. Also, we're hardly the poster boys for 'this age and pace bollocks'. We look like the slowest team in the league. We aren't a slow team because we have slow players though... We looked fast when N'Zonzi was in the team because he was the perfect link between defence and attack. We looked fast with Adam, Walters and Whelan in the team when we were stuffing Liverpool by 6 goals. The personnel hasnt changed much, in fact you would expect faster play with Shaqiri instead of Walters, Allen instead of Adam etc. The fact is, we dont have a central midfield that can play out fast or accurate enough. We really miss N'Zonzi that much. Spot on a new midfielder in the mould of NZonzi would make a huge difference. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2017 15:07:27 GMT
Yeah? Find me a successful team that doesn't have any. Also, we're hardly the poster boys for 'this age and pace bollocks'. We look like the slowest team in the league. We aren't a slow team because we have slow players though... We looked fast when N'Zonzi was in the team because he was the perfect link between defence and attack. We looked fast with Adam, Walters and Whelan in the team when we were stuffing Liverpool by 6 goals. The personnel hasnt changed much, in fact you would expect faster play with Shaqiri instead of Walters, Allen instead of Adam etc. The fact is, we dont have a central midfield that can play out fast or accurate enough. We really miss N'Zonzi that much. We're slow in the final third as well though. Shaq and Arnie are quick but I think we miss some proper direct, electric pace somewhere along that front line. |
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Post by stantheman on May 29, 2017 15:17:09 GMT
I'm amazed that there is the level of negativity regarding this potential deal. I think he could add so, so much extra to us as a Club/brand which wouldn't take long to pay off any initial outlay. I don't care if Bet 365 are the main instigators in this deal, just get it done. Fuck 'the brand', seriously. Seriously, Bet 365 is a brand and ultimately our financial mainstay. They would see Rooney at Stoke of serious global importance. Fuck the brand, but the brand calls the shots. |
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Post by MilanStokie on May 29, 2017 15:21:21 GMT
We aren't a slow team because we have slow players though... We looked fast when N'Zonzi was in the team because he was the perfect link between defence and attack. We looked fast with Adam, Walters and Whelan in the team when we were stuffing Liverpool by 6 goals. The personnel hasnt changed much, in fact you would expect faster play with Shaqiri instead of Walters, Allen instead of Adam etc. The fact is, we dont have a central midfield that can play out fast or accurate enough. We really miss N'Zonzi that much. We're slow in the final third as well though. Shaq and Arnie are quick but I think we miss some proper direct, electric pace somewhere along that front line. But again I would say the final third is affected more because we don't have a proper #10. Allen when he plays there picks the ball up in the wrong places and he presses in the wrong places and at the wrong times. Shaqiri and Arnautovic often cut in and we know this but usually there would be a player to pick out when they do this and without a proper number 10, they only have each other or Berahino. That is why more often than not when they cut in, the next pass is the central midfield or back to the full back. Again, when the team were running circles around Manchester City and Manchester Utd, Arnie and Shaq were at the heart of it. They had options of players on ther same scale of thinking, making intelligent runs. Allen is not a #10. Playing 4-3-3 with no central midfielders capable of transitioning defence into attack slows everything down. 1 player could have solved some of these problems. Bojan. |
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Post by mattador78 on May 29, 2017 15:39:52 GMT
Throwing this in the mix our whelans mrs is good mates with Coleen maybe she's had a word
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2017 15:47:20 GMT
Fuck 'the brand', seriously. Seriously, Bet 365 is a brand and ultimately our financial mainstay. They would see Rooney at Stoke of serious global importance. Fuck the brand, but the brand calls the shots. We had all this 'profile' nonsense with Owen, it made fuck all difference. The best way to raise your profile is to build a successful team capable of finishing as high up the league as you can. |
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Post by Northy on May 29, 2017 15:49:56 GMT
hopeful of a younger and faster team? Diouf, bojan, affelley, Ramadan, Berahino, Arnie, shaqiri...... Look where we finished in the league, this age and pace bollocks doesn't always work. how often did Diouf play up front, how often did the others play, only Arnie regularly? bojan, affelay arent pacey are they ? |
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Post by Northy on May 29, 2017 15:55:03 GMT
Are we really turning our nose up at Wayne Rooney ? Jesus wept what have we become I'm amazed that there is the level of negativity regarding this potential deal. I think he could add so, so much extra to us as a Club/brand which wouldn't take long to pay off any initial outlay. I don't care if Bet 365 are the main instigators in this deal, just get it done. a bit like Owen? I suppose its what the money is and if PC thinks he can sell lots of shirts in asia? |
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Post by werrington on May 29, 2017 16:03:24 GMT
Seriously, Bet 365 is a brand and ultimately our financial mainstay. They would see Rooney at Stoke of serious global importance. Fuck the brand, but the brand calls the shots. We had all this 'profile' nonsense with Owen, it made fuck all difference. The best way to raise your profile is to build a successful team capable of finishing as high up the league as you can. I'm not advocating signing Rooney it just bewilders me how people don't see what he could bring but Owen wasn't signed to raise the profile mate as his stock had well and truly fallen through injury etc....add Gudjonsen and Woodgate to the same reason he signed, It's night and day |
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Post by victoria on May 29, 2017 16:09:09 GMT
Rooney would suit our lack of pace style . Rooney in means no " sexy " football as promised by Hughes.
He would be beneficial to us ,with a few goals. Therefore a few more wins. With a bit of luck.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 29, 2017 16:09:45 GMT
We had all this 'profile' nonsense with Owen, it made fuck all difference. The best way to raise your profile is to build a successful team capable of finishing as high up the league as you can. I'm not advocating signing Rooney it just bewilders me how people don't see what he could bring but Owen wasn't signed to raise the profile mate as his stock had well and truly fallen through injury etc....add Gudjonsen and Woodgate to the same reason he signed, It's night and day Agree that Owen was spent footballing wise, but still don't understand why him and Crouch weren't tried in the front two. Even once. I'm sure TP slavered over the prospect of MO but he was spending more time in the TV studio than he was training, him and his hosses etc was very much a profile raiser for Bet365, a major asset in the corporate smoozing circles, justified the pay as you play thing. An unusually structured contract for SCFC. I think a swoop for Rooney would be easier to justify in terms of football. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2017 16:10:40 GMT
We had all this 'profile' nonsense with Owen, it made fuck all difference. The best way to raise your profile is to build a successful team capable of finishing as high up the league as you can. I'm not advocating signing Rooney it just bewilders me how people don't see what he could bring but Owen wasn't signed to raise the profile mate as his stock had well and truly fallen through injury etc....add Gudjonsen and Woodgate to the same reason he signed, It's night and day I agree Wez - Owen was signed for Tony's sticker book. But people on here were farting out the 'profile' argument at the time and it was bollocks then. I've watched a lot of Man Utd games this season (they're invariably on the telly) and the Rooney people on this thread are talking about isn't the Rooney I've seen in those games. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2017 16:11:36 GMT
I'm not advocating signing Rooney it just bewilders me how people don't see what he could bring but Owen wasn't signed to raise the profile mate as his stock had well and truly fallen through injury etc....add Gudjonsen and Woodgate to the same reason he signed, It's night and day Agree that Owen was spent footballing wise, but still don't understand why him and Crouch weren't tried in the front two. Even once. I'm sure TP slavered over the prospect of MO but he was spending more time in the TV studio than he was training, him and his hosses etc was very much a profile raiser for Bet365, a major asset in the corporate smoozing circles, justified the pay as you play thing. An unusually structured contract for SCFC. I think a swoop for Rooney would be easier to justify in terms of football. Owen was never going to fit into Pulis' system. |
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Post by werrington on May 29, 2017 16:16:04 GMT
I'm not advocating signing Rooney it just bewilders me how people don't see what he could bring but Owen wasn't signed to raise the profile mate as his stock had well and truly fallen through injury etc....add Gudjonsen and Woodgate to the same reason he signed, It's night and day Agree that Owen was spent footballing wise, but still don't understand why him and Crouch weren't tried in the front two. Even once. I'm sure TP slavered over the prospect of MO but he was spending more time in the TV studio than he was training, him and his hosses etc was very much a profile raiser for Bet365, a major asset in the corporate smoozing circles, justified the pay as you play thing. An unusually structured contract for SCFC. I think a swoop for Rooney would be easier to justify in terms of football. When Owen finally made his debut he came off the bench and promptly went left wing ...that should tell you everything mate Anyway we digress |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 16:17:11 GMT
Agree that Owen was spent footballing wise, but still don't understand why him and Crouch weren't tried in the front two. Even once. I'm sure TP slavered over the prospect of MO but he was spending more time in the TV studio than he was training, him and his hosses etc was very much a profile raiser for Bet365, a major asset in the corporate smoozing circles, justified the pay as you play thing. An unusually structured contract for SCFC. I think a swoop for Rooney would be easier to justify in terms of football. When Owen finally made his debut he came off the bench and promptly went left wing ...that should tell you everything mate Anyway we digress Wasn't he given DVDs of Ryan Giggs or am I getting mixed up? |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 29, 2017 16:22:54 GMT
Agree that Owen was spent footballing wise, but still don't understand why him and Crouch weren't tried in the front two. Even once. I'm sure TP slavered over the prospect of MO but he was spending more time in the TV studio than he was training, him and his hosses etc was very much a profile raiser for Bet365, a major asset in the corporate smoozing circles, justified the pay as you play thing. An unusually structured contract for SCFC. I think a swoop for Rooney would be easier to justify in terms of football. When Owen finally made his debut he came off the bench and promptly went left wing ...that should tell you everything mate Anyway we digress Open to interpretation, I reckon it shows TP wasn't that arsed about playing/having him. Always going to be loads of factors influencing a purchase. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2017 16:29:13 GMT
Owen was just TP getting star struck like he sometimes did wasn't it?
He loved a shiny old shit (at the time) ex England international we didn't need.
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Post by Fred Merger on May 29, 2017 16:32:11 GMT
If stoke were able to pull this off which in my opinion is unlikely. Rooney would play in the hole just behind Berahino and between Arnie and Shaq.He would be the type of player with a football brain that would, I think bring out the best of our Saido!
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 29, 2017 16:37:10 GMT
We had all this 'profile' nonsense with Owen, it made fuck all difference. The best way to raise your profile is to build a successful team capable of finishing as high up the league as you can. I'm not advocating signing Rooney it just bewilders me how people don't see what he could bring but Owen wasn't signed to raise the profile mate as his stock had well and truly fallen through injury etc....add Gudjonsen and Woodgate to the same reason he signed, It's night and day Mate, I can't do with Rooney. His rant at England fans in South Africa, his constant effing and blinding at refs which is ignored by them, and his strange wolf eyes that creep me out all go against him, but he would absolutely walk into our side, even now. |
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Post by Foster on May 29, 2017 16:51:20 GMT
Throwing this in the mix our whelans mrs is good mates with Coleen maybe she's had a word That's s true. I saw her and Whelan in Hale at Coleens birthday party. |
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Post by Foster on May 29, 2017 16:55:21 GMT
In his wages i think i'd be hard pushed signing him in a free.
For that kind of money there are far better options available.
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Post by armitagestokie on May 29, 2017 17:04:19 GMT
Crap thinking bit like the Michael Owen saga!!!!
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Post by Stokiedokie on May 29, 2017 17:13:14 GMT
No, no and thrice no. A waste of money - we could spend £45 million so much better.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 29, 2017 17:18:46 GMT
If his fitness is ok it's a no brainer and there's more to it than just Rooney and what hell give the team
Raises the clubs profile
Bet 365 have a figurehead
His experience can help nurture youngsters at the club
And he's a damn good player who's still only 31
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Post by modfather on May 29, 2017 17:23:18 GMT
Are we really turning our nose up at Wayne Rooney ? Jesus wept what have we become Its not about turning your nose up at wayne rooney though is it? We desperately need younger, fitter full backs on both sides and a midfield General. If our side was sorted in other areas and just needed a no10... Then im sure more of us wouldnt mind us splashing out 45 million and probably all our budget on wayne rooney. To say were turning our noses up is a lazy comment imo |
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Post by werrington on May 29, 2017 17:29:57 GMT
Are we really turning our nose up at Wayne Rooney ? Jesus wept what have we become Its not about turning your nose up at wayne rooney though is it? We desperately need younger, fitter full backs on both sides and a midfield General. If our side was sorted in other areas and just needed a no10... Then im sure more of us wouldnt mind us splashing out 45 million and probably all our budget on wayne rooney. To say were turning our noses up is a lazy comment imo I think you need to read the rest of my posts I said exactly similar regards other players in this thread |
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Post by gingerninja on May 29, 2017 17:30:16 GMT
I would be really angry if we frittered away that sort if money on Rooney. Will not happen in a month of Sundays though if it was ever on the cards in the first place
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