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Post by salopstick on Apr 28, 2017 12:50:34 GMT
Similar to Labour spend now and somebody else pays later Actually no! Labour has run far lower deficits, far more years than the Tories since WW2! Fact! Because we pay for it when they get voted out
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Post by bringmesunshine on Apr 28, 2017 13:07:32 GMT
You live in a world of your own don't you, with Ric, RRP, Momo et al admittedly, Brown inherited that economy, he didn't do anything to create it but he did however destroy it. The futures bright, the futures Tory. You've really swallowed the artificially sweetened easily digestible morsels from the Mail et al haven't you, dave. I imagine they taste like those energy bars that lycra-clad middle aged cyclists guzzle when they have no time for anything more substantial The less easily palatable stuff - like actual facts and that - evidently got rejected by your fragile constitution. Because all you're doing here is regurgitating the top line contents of Tory leaflets. No substance, no attempt to reason with what's put to you Did your dad vote Labour ?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 28, 2017 13:18:18 GMT
Actually no! Labour has run far lower deficits, far more years than the Tories since WW2! Fact! Because we pay for it when they get voted out How can you be paying for it later when they didn't run as big deficits to begin with? I thought you would be busy polishing your rifle? You're the poster who thought Trump would be less of a risk to world peace than Hillary yet he's attacked Syria and is preparing for war with North Korea!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 13:21:31 GMT
Because we pay for it when they get voted out How can you be paying for it later when they didn't run as big deficits to begin with? I thought you would be busy polishing your rifle? You're the poster who thought Trump would be less of a risk to world peace than Hillary yet he's attacked Syria and is preparing for war with North Korea! And I'm a scout .....Be prepared , a dirty rifle is no good to anybody .
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 28, 2017 13:52:26 GMT
I must be reading things then... Deutsche bank have upgraded forecasts for the Brexit "endgame" whilst Sterling remains steady. (Forecasts for H2 17 show strengthening against the dollar but remaining in line with Euro as present).....
Not only that business confidence surges to a seventeen-month high in April, led by rises in both business prospects and economic optimism according to the latest Business Barometer from Lloyds Bank.
Further information includes:
Retailers:
- 59% of retailers said that sales volumes were up in April on a year ago, whilst 21% said they were down, giving a balance of +38%. This outperformed expectations (+16%), and was the highest balance since September 2015 (+49%) - 37% of respondents expect sales volumes to increase next month, with 21% expecting a decrease, giving a balance of +16% - 32% of retailers placed more orders with suppliers than they did a year ago, whilst 21% placed fewer orders, giving a balance of +18%. This was the highest since October 2015 (+19%) - 33% of retailers reported that their volume of sales for the time of year were good, whilst 20% said they were poor, giving a balance of +13% - Internet sales volumes continued to expand at a healthy pace (+48), with growth broadly in line with the long-run average. Internet sales volumes are expected to grow at broadly similar pace in the year to May (+47) - Sales volumes grew strongly in clothing (+97% - the highest since September 2010), and grocers (+40%). Meanwhile sales volumes decreased in specialist food & drink (-43%) and furniture & carpets (-30%).
Wholesalers:
- 69% of wholesalers reported sales volumes to be up on last year, and 6% said they were down, giving a balance of +63%, and beating expectations (+44%). Volumes are expected to grow at a slower pace next month (+8%) - The volume of orders placed upon suppliers accelerated (+53%, from +31% in March), but is expected to be broadly flat in the year to May (-1%).
Motor traders:
- 45% of motor traders reported sales volumes were up on a year ago, whilst 26% said they were down, giving a balance of +19%. This was below expectations (+31%) and follows exceptionally strong growth in March
The drop has been in the hospitality sector and the rise in inflation has been acknowledged in line with the original drop of sterling.....
I would be far more confident than the doom and gloom merchants on here.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 28, 2017 14:01:53 GMT
Effectively, it is agreed that Q1 17 is sluggish, however Q2 has already seen some very strong returns.
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Post by yeokel on Apr 28, 2017 14:19:39 GMT
"The UK economy endured a worse-than-expected slowdown in the first three months of the year as sliding retail sales and a jump in living costs took its toll on growth, PA reports. The Office for National Statistics said GDP grew by 0.3% in its initial estimate for the first quarter of 2017, down from 0.7% in the fourth quarter of last year.”" So, if I'm reading this right, the UK economy grew less in the three months after Christmas that it did for the three months before Christmas. Well, quelle fucking suprise!!
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Post by salopstick on Apr 28, 2017 14:30:42 GMT
Because we pay for it when they get voted out How can you be paying for it later when they didn't run as big deficits to begin with? I thought you would be busy polishing your rifle? You're the poster who thought Trump would be less of a risk to world peace than Hillary yet he's attacked Syria and is preparing for war with North Korea! Still better than Hilary
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 28, 2017 14:43:15 GMT
I must be reading things then... Deutsche bank have upgraded forecasts for the Brexit "endgame" whilst Sterling remains steady. (Forecasts for H2 17 show strengthening against the dollar but remaining in line with Euro as present)..... Not only that business confidence surges to a seventeen-month high in April, led by rises in both business prospects and economic optimism according to the latest Business Barometer from Lloyds Bank. Further information includes: Retailers: - 59% of retailers said that sales volumes were up in April on a year ago, whilst 21% said they were down, giving a balance of +38%. This outperformed expectations (+16%), and was the highest balance since September 2015 (+49%) - 37% of respondents expect sales volumes to increase next month, with 21% expecting a decrease, giving a balance of +16% - 32% of retailers placed more orders with suppliers than they did a year ago, whilst 21% placed fewer orders, giving a balance of +18%. This was the highest since October 2015 (+19%) - 33% of retailers reported that their volume of sales for the time of year were good, whilst 20% said they were poor, giving a balance of +13% - Internet sales volumes continued to expand at a healthy pace (+48), with growth broadly in line with the long-run average. Internet sales volumes are expected to grow at broadly similar pace in the year to May (+47) - Sales volumes grew strongly in clothing (+97% - the highest since September 2010), and grocers (+40%). Meanwhile sales volumes decreased in specialist food & drink (-43%) and furniture & carpets (-30%). Wholesalers: - 69% of wholesalers reported sales volumes to be up on last year, and 6% said they were down, giving a balance of +63%, and beating expectations (+44%). Volumes are expected to grow at a slower pace next month (+8%) - The volume of orders placed upon suppliers accelerated (+53%, from +31% in March), but is expected to be broadly flat in the year to May (-1%). Motor traders: - 45% of motor traders reported sales volumes were up on a year ago, whilst 26% said they were down, giving a balance of +19%. This was below expectations (+31%) and follows exceptionally strong growth in March The drop has been in the hospitality sector and the rise in inflation has been acknowledged in line with the original drop of sterling..... I would be far more confident than the doom and gloom merchants on here. Yeah, wot he said
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2017 15:00:29 GMT
You've really swallowed the artificially sweetened easily digestible morsels from the Mail et al haven't you, dave. I imagine they taste like those energy bars that lycra-clad middle aged cyclists guzzle when they have no time for anything more substantial The less easily palatable stuff - like actual facts and that - evidently got rejected by your fragile constitution. Because all you're doing here is regurgitating the top line contents of Tory leaflets. No substance, no attempt to reason with what's put to you Did your dad vote Labour ? Dunno mate, did your mum?
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 28, 2017 15:10:53 GMT
You cannot expect people to keep on spending willy nilly. The sooner people get this onto their heads, the better for all concerned! Hogwash! Tory hogwash. Get the £70billion of unpaid taxes, so far this year, in for starters. Oh hang on, maybe the Tories don't want to do this? "Sorry don't fancy collecting that one in chaps...i've got £7mill in the Cayman Islands from my equity stake in my Local Hospital's new A&E Private Security Firm...and Roger's got a 15% Stake in G4S's new Privatised Prison setup...let's take it off the disabled instead, be a lot easier"
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Post by bringmesunshine on Apr 28, 2017 15:12:43 GMT
Did your dad vote Labour ? Dunno mate, did your mum? Hell no, she's intelligent.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2017 15:29:29 GMT
Dunno mate, did your mum? Hell no, she's intelligent. That's probably why she banged me
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 28, 2017 15:29:43 GMT
I must be reading things then... Deutsche bank have upgraded forecasts for the Brexit "endgame" whilst Sterling remains steady. (Forecasts for H2 17 show strengthening against the dollar but remaining in line with Euro as present)..... Not only that business confidence surges to a seventeen-month high in April, led by rises in both business prospects and economic optimism according to the latest Business Barometer from Lloyds Bank. Further information includes: Retailers: - 59% of retailers said that sales volumes were up in April on a year ago, whilst 21% said they were down, giving a balance of +38%. This outperformed expectations (+16%), and was the highest balance since September 2015 (+49%) - 37% of respondents expect sales volumes to increase next month, with 21% expecting a decrease, giving a balance of +16% - 32% of retailers placed more orders with suppliers than they did a year ago, whilst 21% placed fewer orders, giving a balance of +18%. This was the highest since October 2015 (+19%) - 33% of retailers reported that their volume of sales for the time of year were good, whilst 20% said they were poor, giving a balance of +13% - Internet sales volumes continued to expand at a healthy pace (+48), with growth broadly in line with the long-run average. Internet sales volumes are expected to grow at broadly similar pace in the year to May (+47) - Sales volumes grew strongly in clothing (+97% - the highest since September 2010), and grocers (+40%). Meanwhile sales volumes decreased in specialist food & drink (-43%) and furniture & carpets (-30%). Wholesalers: - 69% of wholesalers reported sales volumes to be up on last year, and 6% said they were down, giving a balance of +63%, and beating expectations (+44%). Volumes are expected to grow at a slower pace next month (+8%) - The volume of orders placed upon suppliers accelerated (+53%, from +31% in March), but is expected to be broadly flat in the year to May (-1%). Motor traders: - 45% of motor traders reported sales volumes were up on a year ago, whilst 26% said they were down, giving a balance of +19%. This was below expectations (+31%) and follows exceptionally strong growth in March The drop has been in the hospitality sector and the rise in inflation has been acknowledged in line with the original drop of sterling..... I would be far more confident than the doom and gloom merchants on here. If you actually read those numbers you've posted (from god knows where), 80% of the figures are confirming an actual slowdown, the others are a very typical exception. Nobody is saying we are going into full blown recession just yet, rather that we are at 0.3% growth (that's still growth) whereas we've been at 1.9% and rising up to now. If the growth figure goes below 0% then it's an official recession...and 0.3% is very close to a negative value. I really don't wish to patronise you, but you come across like a Daily Express reader who believes that things are simply getting ever better and refuses to accept the hard economic facts of the matter. The real economic facts, nor your cut and paste facts, simply don't support your argument that all is well. The facts are telling us that we are coming super-close to knocking on the door of recession.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Apr 28, 2017 15:36:15 GMT
Hell no, she's intelligent. That's probably why she banged me Your parents must be very proud of you, well done.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 15:44:35 GMT
You cannot expect people to keep on spending willy nilly. The sooner people get this onto their heads, the better for all concerned! Hogwash! Tory hogwash. Get the £70billion of unpaid taxes, so far this year, in for starters. Oh hang on, maybe the Tories don't want to do this? "Sorry don't fancy collecting that one in chaps...i've got £7mill in the Cayman Islands from my equity stake in my Local Hospital's new A&E Private Security Firm...and Roger's got a 15% Stake in G4S's new Privatised Prison setup...let's take it off the disabled instead, be a lot easier" I knew it wouldn't be long before the italics made an appearance ......
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2017 21:06:44 GMT
Hogwash! Tory hogwash. Get the £70billion of unpaid taxes, so far this year, in for starters. Oh hang on, maybe the Tories don't want to do this? "Sorry don't fancy collecting that one in chaps...i've got £7mill in the Cayman Islands from my equity stake in my Local Hospital's new A&E Private Security Firm...and Roger's got a 15% Stake in G4S's new Privatised Prison setup...let's take it off the disabled instead, be a lot easier" I knew it wouldn't be long before the italics made an appearance ...... You lot are off your boxes
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 28, 2017 21:26:30 GMT
You cannot expect people to keep on spending willy nilly. The sooner people get this onto their heads, the better for all concerned! Hogwash! Tory hogwash. Get the £70billion of unpaid taxes, so far this year, in for starters. Oh hang on, maybe the Tories don't want to do this? "Sorry don't fancy collecting that one in chaps...i've got £7mill in the Cayman Islands from my equity stake in my Local Hospital's new A&E Private Security Firm...and Roger's got a 15% Stake in G4S's new Privatised Prison setup...let's take it off the disabled instead, be a lot easier" So you want to tax the value of shareholdings, an interesting if economically retarded idea. 50% of UK households receive more in benefits than they pay in tax doesn't leave many people to pay for everything else does it.
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 28, 2017 21:37:19 GMT
Hogwash! Tory hogwash. Get the £70billion of unpaid taxes, so far this year, in for starters. Oh hang on, maybe the Tories don't want to do this? "Sorry don't fancy collecting that one in chaps...i've got £7mill in the Cayman Islands from my equity stake in my Local Hospital's new A&E Private Security Firm...and Roger's got a 15% Stake in G4S's new Privatised Prison setup...let's take it off the disabled instead, be a lot easier" So you want to tax the value of shareholdings, an interesting if economically retarded idea. 50% of UK households receive more in benefits than they pay in tax doesn't leave many people to pay for everything else does it. No. That's not what I said at all. My point is this: Can Tory MP's be entrusted to bring the hammer down on tax evading multi-nationals, given that many of our Tory MP's have vested interests, shareholdings and monies held in multiple offshore business's and accounts as well? "No" would be the correct answer to that question
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 28, 2017 22:35:59 GMT
I must be reading things then... Deutsche bank have upgraded forecasts for the Brexit "endgame" whilst Sterling remains steady. (Forecasts for H2 17 show strengthening against the dollar but remaining in line with Euro as present)..... Not only that business confidence surges to a seventeen-month high in April, led by rises in both business prospects and economic optimism according to the latest Business Barometer from Lloyds Bank. Further information includes: Retailers: - 59% of retailers said that sales volumes were up in April on a year ago, whilst 21% said they were down, giving a balance of +38%. This outperformed expectations (+16%), and was the highest balance since September 2015 (+49%) - 37% of respondents expect sales volumes to increase next month, with 21% expecting a decrease, giving a balance of +16% - 32% of retailers placed more orders with suppliers than they did a year ago, whilst 21% placed fewer orders, giving a balance of +18%. This was the highest since October 2015 (+19%) - 33% of retailers reported that their volume of sales for the time of year were good, whilst 20% said they were poor, giving a balance of +13% - Internet sales volumes continued to expand at a healthy pace (+48), with growth broadly in line with the long-run average. Internet sales volumes are expected to grow at broadly similar pace in the year to May (+47) - Sales volumes grew strongly in clothing (+97% - the highest since September 2010), and grocers (+40%). Meanwhile sales volumes decreased in specialist food & drink (-43%) and furniture & carpets (-30%). Wholesalers: - 69% of wholesalers reported sales volumes to be up on last year, and 6% said they were down, giving a balance of +63%, and beating expectations (+44%). Volumes are expected to grow at a slower pace next month (+8%) - The volume of orders placed upon suppliers accelerated (+53%, from +31% in March), but is expected to be broadly flat in the year to May (-1%). Motor traders: - 45% of motor traders reported sales volumes were up on a year ago, whilst 26% said they were down, giving a balance of +19%. This was below expectations (+31%) and follows exceptionally strong growth in March The drop has been in the hospitality sector and the rise in inflation has been acknowledged in line with the original drop of sterling..... I would be far more confident than the doom and gloom merchants on here. If you actually read those numbers you've posted (from god knows where), 80% of the figures are confirming an actual slowdown, the others are a very typical exception. Nobody is saying we are going into full blown recession just yet, rather that we are at 0.3% growth (that's still growth) whereas we've been at 1.9% and rising up to now. If the growth figure goes below 0% then it's an official recession...and 0.3% is very close to a negative value. I really don't wish to patronise you, but you come across like a Daily Express reader who believes that things are simply getting ever better and refuses to accept the hard economic facts of the matter. The real economic facts, nor your cut and paste facts, simply don't support your argument that all is well. The facts are telling us that we are coming super-close to knocking on the door of recession. Very very patronising. And obviously unable to read. The information as I had disclosed had come from deutsche Bank and the Lloyds business barometer that was just released. In fact looking at your own source (The guardian of all things rather than financial sectors who give fact rather than opinion) it was shown later in the day that the forecast for sterling had been raised. I suggest, rather than pontificating and trying to sound clever you do what I do and go to financial sources (livesterling, Lloyds, Commerzbank, ONCE etc) to gain an impartial viewpoint. Even Barclays who were quoted in your media source against the sluggish Q1 17 have agreed that Q2 17 is much stronger especially against Y16 for the same period.... but don't let facts get away from your arguement.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 28, 2017 22:59:20 GMT
Furthermore liquidlen whilst agreeing with the sluggish results (or bearish as it is known) for Q1, the results posted above were for April with some forecast for May. The majority actually prove an stronger market whilst also highlighting reduction in growth in certain sectors. It certainly does not show that "80%" of the figures prove a slowdown in the economy.
Once more... impartial evidence showing factual data rather than the media source that you provided.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 23:03:08 GMT
Furthermore liquidlen whilst agreeing with the sluggish results (or bearish as it is known) for Q1, the results posted above were for April with some forecast for May. The majority actually prove an stronger market whilst also highlighting reduction in growth in certain sectors. It certainly does not show that "80%" of the figures prove a slowdown in the economy. Once more... impartial evidence showing factual data rather than the media source that you provided. It's certainly not shown the post referendum recession that the doom and gloom merchants were predicting ......wishful thinking by some it's sad to say .
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 28, 2017 23:08:05 GMT
Furthermore liquidlen whilst agreeing with the sluggish results (or bearish as it is known) for Q1, the results posted above were for April with some forecast for May. The majority actually prove an stronger market whilst also highlighting reduction in growth in certain sectors. It certainly does not show that "80%" of the figures prove a slowdown in the economy. Once more... impartial evidence showing factual data rather than the media source that you provided. It's certainly not shown the post referendum recession that the doom and gloom merchants were predicting ......wishful thinking by some it's sad to say . Im bloody annoyed to be honest. I try to keep an open mind about results and viewpoints but when I see something that is factually incorrect (especially from a single source and a biased media outlet to boot) I will try to prove otherwise. That includes having a look at financial results, what the market is saying through its varying economic sources and seeing if it stacks up... if it does then I would say "yes we are struggling to avoid a recession". But it simply isn't true!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 23:16:00 GMT
It's certainly not shown the post referendum recession that the doom and gloom merchants were predicting ......wishful thinking by some it's sad to say . Im bloody annoyed to be honest. I try to keep an open mind about results and viewpoints but when I see something that is factually incorrect (especially from a single source and a biased media outlet to boot) I will try to prove otherwise. That includes having a look at financial results, what the market is saying through its varying economic sources and seeing if it stacks up... if it does then I would say "yes we are struggling to avoid a recession". But it simply isn't true! Well it's fair to say that there may well be some difficult times ahead , you would expect as much but I'm sure that we will see them through and our economy will thrive in good time .But as I said earlier it's going to take some time and patience and hard work ....... I am convinced some people want to see us struggle to suit their own agenda .
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 28, 2017 23:22:46 GMT
Totally agree, it'll be hard work and there will be some bumps in the road... but nothing that won't be worth it in the end as we continue to drag ourselves upward. I'm personally pretty confident about 2018, cautious about 2019 but like the millennium bug syndrome, we will come out of it a little bruised, bemused but in the end unscathed and ready to move further up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 23:27:26 GMT
Totally agree, it'll be hard work and there will be some bumps in the road... but nothing that won't be worth it in the end as we continue to drag ourselves upward. I'm personally pretty confident about 2018, cautious about 2019 but like the millennium bug syndrome, we will come out of it a little bruised, bemused but in the end unscathed and ready to move further up. Of course .
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Post by thevoid on Apr 28, 2017 23:41:54 GMT
Actually no! Labour has run far lower deficits, far more years than the Tories since WW2! Fact! Tories running the economy better than Labour is simply a myth. Labour have a far better financial record when in government. This is an actual fact, not an opinion. You have proof of this presumably?
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Post by thevoid on Apr 28, 2017 23:45:03 GMT
Hell no, she's intelligent. That's probably why she banged me Is that all you've got 😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 23:49:05 GMT
Tories running the economy better than Labour is simply a myth. Labour have a far better financial record when in government. This is an actual fact, not an opinion. You have proof of this presumably? Ask him about the financial crisis of 1976 , when Labour were forced to borrow £ 3.9 Billion from the IMF to shore up the economy ? This also is a fact not an opinion .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 5:49:59 GMT
You have proof of this presumably? Ask him about the financial crisis of 1976 , when Labour were forced to borrow £ 3.9 Billion from the IMF to shore up the economy ? This also is a fact not an opinion . Was a bloody lovely summer tho.......until that big thunder and lightening storm
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