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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 19, 2017 10:48:45 GMT
The EU and UK have set out some initial positions and they're not the same. They'll both change over the next two years. If there are 18 Tory rebels then having a majority of 77 does matter. Your chin dribble about 7 years is nonsense even for you Nicholas :-) We all voted two years ago and we can all pass judgement again in 7 weeks time. So, we now have the real reason we're having an election! It's because chicken May can't trust her own Party! Why don't you run on your record in 2020? Because it's bad now and getting worse! Inflation heading up to 3%! The BoE expected to raise interest rates before Christmas. Nurses going on strike(probably), teachers too! Chicken May trying to lock us into 5 more years of Tory cuts! Correct. The real reason is Brexit. Thanks to Clegg, Starmer, Miller, Farron, Lucas etc all bitching and moaning May has called a put up or shut up election. May has already set out her 12 Brexit points and will try her hardest to secure them. If you don't like her Brexit strategy then vote for someone else. There are no chickens here my friend only one quack :-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 10:56:26 GMT
Genuine question... Who should I be giving my vote to? My top priority is to sort out this completely out-of-control immigration (And all things immigrant related - Stopping foreign criminals coming here, deporting foreigners who commit crimes here etc...) Second on the list is to stop shafting the poor, sick & disabled, so I want someone who is going to improve our welfare system (And by 'improve' I don't just mean kicking everyone off! I mean genuine improvement to help the poorest & most needy British citizens - Foreigners shouldn't be getting a single penny untill they have lived and worked here for a number of years.) Slotting in with that I want the NHS improving & remaining free to every British national. (Again foreigners can pay their way untill they have lived and worked here for a number of years. It's the British National Health Service, not the Worlds.) It'd also be lovely to see all these mega rich companies starting to cough up their fair share of tax, and also being forced to pay proper wages on proper contracts. I also want to see some proper investment in our military but I only want to see them used to protect our country, not fighting in foreign lands. They're the main things I want dealing with, so which party am I sticking my little 'x' next to? None of them. That is the point NO party represents the views of the majority of the British public.
The Conservatives have some things right like education and leaving the EU, but THEY ARE MURDERERS and you would do as well voting for the NAZI party when it comes to looking after vulnerable people.
Lib Dems lie through their teeth to get into power and Labour under Corbyn are as effective an opposition as the Monster Raving Loony Party.
You could vote for the Greens who I've always seen as scitzophrenic but are really good people=).
No in my view an abstention to help cause the demise of Corbyn would not be seen as a wasted vote and leave you conscience clear as far as the Tories are concerned.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 10:58:04 GMT
So, we now have the real reason we're having an election! It's because chicken May can't trust her own Party! Why don't you run on your record in 2020? Because it's bad now and getting worse! Inflation heading up to 3%! The BoE expected to raise interest rates before Christmas. Nurses going on strike(probably), teachers too! Chicken May trying to lock us into 5 more years of Tory cuts! Correct. The real reason is Brexit. Thanks to Clegg, Starmer, Miller, Farron, Lucas etc all bitching and moaning May has called a put up or shut up election. May has already set out her 12 Brexit points and will try her hardest to secure them. If you don't like her Brexit strategy then vote for someone else. There are no chickens here my friend only one quack :-) You've got one big Chicken..that's May scared of debating on t.v. with other party leaders! If May is trying to secure her 12 Brexit points why does she need a g.e.? Article 50 has been triggered so why doesn't she get on with it? Don't worry, I have no intention of voting for that appalling woman and her appalling party!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 11:01:05 GMT
Of course she is a chicken! Ted Heath went to the country early in February 1974 . But this was because he needed 5 more years as the Barber boom was about to crash(which it did!). This isn't a sign of strength but a sign of weakness and failure! If it quacks like a duck, it is duck! Well let's wait for the election results before deciding whether it is a failure or not ? When did a chicken turn into a duck ? When it crossed the road to see it's flat mate.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 19, 2017 11:21:55 GMT
But's she's doing the exact opposite & bring it forward from 2020 to 2017? I'm no fan of the Tories but some of the shit that gets posted on political threads cracks me up. Nick, Bath, Momo & the gang praise absolutely everything Labour do & slate absolutely everything the Tories do. Salop, Rog, FYD & the gang praise absolutely everything the Tories do & slate absolutely everything Labour do. It's no wonder this country is in such a mess & our politicians laugh at us so much, when so many people are so utterly devoted to their 'side', and can never, ever admit that their own side gets things wrong & the other side gets things right. The appropriate time set constitutionally is 2020! That's what the Tories introduced! What's so wrong expecting the Tories to stick with what they introduced? Politicians bringing an election forwards early 3 years is only done because they are frightened of fighting an election later! Since WW2, the only early elections were either when governments had a very small majority and no choice e.g. Labour in 1951 and 1966 or when governments were scared of waiting e.g. Tories in February 1974 and now. They are the facts! It's not fair. It's not fair we are not ready for an election The election only happens with a 2/3 parliamentary majority. Corbyn had been planning for over 6 months for an election Dry your eyes
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 11:28:22 GMT
I'm sure " con trick " was an unintentional pun on your behalf .....I think more than anything you are fearful of the result , with good reason as a Labour supporter , there may not be much left for you to support post June 8 . You're 100% right there may not much left to support post June 8! No N.H.S., no care for the elderly, no good comps(turned into grammar schools), no social housing, no sensible Brexit! Too bloody true there won't be much left if Chicken May is re-elected! Armageddon beckons on the horizon then ? The same old arguments re- hashed time and time again .....and yet they never come to pass do they ? ....Change the stylus , it's wearing a groove in the record .
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 11:32:36 GMT
The appropriate time set constitutionally is 2020! That's what the Tories introduced! What's so wrong expecting the Tories to stick with what they introduced? Politicians bringing an election forwards early 3 years is only done because they are frightened of fighting an election later! Since WW2, the only early elections were either when governments had a very small majority and no choice e.g. Labour in 1951 and 1966 or when governments were scared of waiting e.g. Tories in February 1974 and now. They are the facts! It's not fair. It's not fair we are not ready for an election The election only happens with a 2/3 parliamentary majority. Corbyn had been planning for over 6 months for an election Dry your eyes Typical hypocritical Tory! Cameron told voters the Fixed Term Parliament Act would improve governance! The same ex P.M. who said yesterday Theresa May had done the right thing calling an early general election! It's not fair you Tories lie and indeed buy your way into power!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 19, 2017 11:36:28 GMT
The Conservatives have some things right like education Wait, what?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 11:37:19 GMT
You're 100% right there may not much left to support post June 8! No N.H.S., no care for the elderly, no good comps(turned into grammar schools), no social housing, no sensible Brexit! Too bloody true there won't be much left if Chicken May is re-elected! Armageddon beckons on the horizon then ? The same old arguments re- hashed time and time again .....and yet they never come to pass do they ? ....Change the stylus , it's wearing a groove in the record . What do they mean they never come to pass? You think all the doctor's strikes in the N.H.S. are imaginary? Are the waiting lists for social housing imaginary? You think the lengthening waiting times for N.H.S. hospital treatment are imaginary?. It's O.K. for Six Jobs Osborne, he has bought his way out of all the problems he's inflicted on the rest of us!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 11:45:12 GMT
Armageddon beckons on the horizon then ? The same old arguments re- hashed time and time again .....and yet they never come to pass do they ? ....Change the stylus , it's wearing a groove in the record . What do they mean they never come to pass? You think all the doctor's strikes in the N.H.S. are imaginary? Are the waiting lists for social housing imaginary? You think the lengthening waiting times for N.H.S. hospital treatment are imaginary?. It's O.K. for Six Jobs Osborne, he has bought his way out of all the problems he's inflicted on the rest of us! You should be all for this election then , shouldn't you ? but you are not ......odd reasoning from you if you really think things are so bad and you would like to see a change ?
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 19, 2017 11:48:01 GMT
Armageddon beckons on the horizon then ? The same old arguments re- hashed time and time again .....and yet they never come to pass do they ? ....Change the stylus , it's wearing a groove in the record . What do they mean they never come to pass? You think all the doctor's strikes in the N.H.S. are imaginary? Are the waiting lists for social housing imaginary? You think the lengthening waiting times for N.H.S. hospital treatment are imaginary?. It's O.K. for Six Jobs Osborne, he has bought his way out of all the problems he's inflicted on the rest of us! So with all that shit going down, surely you'd welcome a general election to kick the failing Govenment out of power?
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 19, 2017 11:51:21 GMT
I've got no idea who I'm going to vote for yet, I think British politics is in a pretty terrible state when the Tories are calling for a snap election because they expect to increase their majority due to the opposition being so abysmally poor. There's not one party which I can identify with at the moment and it says a lot that out of the leadership candidates available Theresa May actually seems like the least worst option.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the Labour party, can it unite under a new leader when Corbyn resigns after a crushing defeat or will the party split.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 12:04:57 GMT
What do they mean they never come to pass? You think all the doctor's strikes in the N.H.S. are imaginary? Are the waiting lists for social housing imaginary? You think the lengthening waiting times for N.H.S. hospital treatment are imaginary?. It's O.K. for Six Jobs Osborne, he has bought his way out of all the problems he's inflicted on the rest of us! You should be all for this election then , shouldn't you ? but you are not ......odd reasoning from you if you really think things are so bad and you would like to see a change ? I'd like to see change but what's wrong with the Tories sticking to their own manifesto commitment of Fixed Term parliaments? You can't believe a word they put in their manifestoes because they change them at will! The only good thing is that George Osborne is not standing! Poor thing! How will he struggle on with just Five Jobs?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 12:13:52 GMT
You should be all for this election then , shouldn't you ? but you are not ......odd reasoning from you if you really think things are so bad and you would like to see a change ? I'd like to see change but what's wrong with the Tories sticking to their own manifesto commitment of Fixed Term parliaments? You can't believe a word they put in their manifestoes because they change them at will! The only good thing is that George Osborne is not standing! Poor thing! How will he struggle on with just Five Jobs? Life is certainly a bitch for some people I agree
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 12:44:36 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 19, 2017 12:47:11 GMT
Farron not ruling out a coalition with the evil Tories, I see.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 19, 2017 12:55:47 GMT
Not pro-Corbyn propaganda "Article submitted by reader".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 13:01:43 GMT
Not pro-Corbyn propaganda "Article submitted by reader". Sorry, I meant I wasn't posting it as that. I just think it's important to note how detrimental the press in this country is to democracy. You only have to look at the front pages of the Mail and The S*n today.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 19, 2017 13:19:29 GMT
Not pro-Corbyn propaganda "Article submitted by reader". Sorry, I meant I wasn't posting it as that. I just think it's important to note how detrimental the press in this country is to democracy. You only have to look at the front pages of the Mail and The S*n today. Fair enough but the idea that people get their news and opinions from newspapers nowadays is seriously out dated just look at their sales figures.
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Post by heyzeus on Apr 19, 2017 13:28:18 GMT
Hey friends, I hope you can all be persuaded to vote for the Lib Dems this time around . Tim is a good Christian boy, and though he has taken a lot of flak today, his heart is in the right place and he is right; we are all sinners. Dr Ali was very active in the recent byelection, and would make a great representative in government for us all. Have a Peaceful day
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 14:00:56 GMT
Farron not ruling out a coalition with the evil Tories, I see. Wishful thinking on his part .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 14:02:23 GMT
Most of us search for the facts we want to find .
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 19, 2017 14:02:39 GMT
Not pro-Corbyn propaganda "Article submitted by reader". Sorry, I meant I wasn't posting it as that. I just think it's important to note how detrimental the press in this country is to democracy. You only have to look at the front pages of the Mail and The S*n today. I haven't seen The Scum but the front page of The Mail is one of the most vile, divisive, anti-democratic pieces of filth I've ever had the misfortune to rest my eyes upon. Makes you utterly ashamed to be British.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 19, 2017 14:07:09 GMT
Does anybody think this might backfire on May or is she as safe as houses?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 14:07:10 GMT
Sorry, I meant I wasn't posting it as that. I just think it's important to note how detrimental the press in this country is to democracy. You only have to look at the front pages of the Mail and The S*n today. I haven't seen The Scum but the front page of The Mail is one of the most vile, divisive, anti-democratic pieces of filth I've ever had the misfortune to rest my eyes upon. Makes you utterly ashamed to be British. It's not like you to go over the top momo
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 14:08:33 GMT
Does anybody think this might backfire on May or is she as safe as houses? Always a chance of that , elections are never as cut and dry as they seem ....ask Neil Kinnock .
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 19, 2017 14:15:25 GMT
Isn't this really a second referendum? I have a feeling the Remainers will come out in force to vote anything but Tory just to scupper Brexit.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 19, 2017 14:17:07 GMT
Does anybody think this might backfire on May or is she as safe as houses? Her problem is what constitutes victory. She has set herself a task that the Tory Party hasn’t achieved in over 30 years. A massive majority. A few seat increase wont really wash and wont unite the country as she keeps lying about wanting to do. She fails and Indyref2 becomes front and centre and any Brexit problems she imagines from remainers and some of the absolute anti European fanatics in her own party will genuinely become an issue. No one like a grubby opportunist but one who fails to take that opportunity on top will be toast.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 14:25:30 GMT
Sorry, I meant I wasn't posting it as that. I just think it's important to note how detrimental the press in this country is to democracy. You only have to look at the front pages of the Mail and The S*n today. I haven't seen The Scum but the front page of The Mail is one of the most vile, divisive, anti-democratic pieces of filth I've ever had the misfortune to rest my eyes upon. Makes you utterly ashamed to be British. BLUE MURDER - PM's snap poll will kill off Labour
- She'll smash rebel Tories too
- Bid for clear Brexit mandate
Not sure how to post photos so there you go.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 14:28:04 GMT
Sorry, I meant I wasn't posting it as that. I just think it's important to note how detrimental the press in this country is to democracy. You only have to look at the front pages of the Mail and The S*n today. Fair enough but the idea that people get their news and opinions from newspapers nowadays is seriously out dated just look at their sales figures. Yes but you have to appreciate these newspapers relay all the same headlines through their social media channels and apps etc. They will still have the same out reach.
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