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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 19, 2017 8:07:00 GMT
Genuine question... Who should I be giving my vote to? My top priority is to sort out this completely out-of-control immigration (And all things immigrant related - Stopping foreign criminals coming here, deporting foreigners who commit crimes here etc...) Second on the list is to stop shafting the poor, sick & disabled, so I want someone who is going to improve our welfare system (And by 'improve' I don't just mean kicking everyone off! I mean genuine improvement to help the poorest & most needy British citizens - Foreigners shouldn't be getting a single penny untill they have lived and worked here for a number of years.) Slotting in with that I want the NHS improving & remaining free to every British national. (Again foreigners can pay their way untill they have lived and worked here for a number of years. It's the British National Health Service, not the Worlds.) It'd also be lovely to see all these mega rich companies starting to cough up their fair share of tax, and also being forced to pay proper wages on proper contracts. I also want to see some proper investment in our military but I only want to see them used to protect our country, not fighting in foreign lands. They're the main things I want dealing with, so which party am I sticking my little 'x' next to? Brexit's the main event at the moment. A vote for May gives the UK a stronger hand against the EU. May will be the toughest on immigration. She was pig sick of being told by Brussels who she could or couldn't deport when she was Home Secretary. Brexit's a one off international event. Theresa's you're man. So to speak :-) Come 2022 you can judge her on domestic matters and vote accordingly. You never know even Labour might have a dog in the fight by then.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 8:13:37 GMT
Well, if it's a contest between Uncle Peter's alleged "arrogance" and your delusional anti-E.U. hysteria I know who i trust most and it isn't you! I saw his arrogance on QT with his reply to a member of the audience As for me being delusional.....you are the one backing anti uk commissioners hell bent on ......"making Britain Pay" You mardarses now have a second pop at the cherry...go for it. Will you promise to shut the fuck up after you lose for a second time ? And I saw an elderly businessman who has created hundreds of jobs in this city saying the E.U. hasn't stopped him doing anything! Who I am to trust? Your constant offerings of 'Daily Express' U.K.I.P. propaganda or Uncle Peter? Personally, I don't think it is a contest! Incidentally, I have never advocated that the E.U. make Britain pay but in negotiations the other side is allowed to negotiate what they see right just as we are! It was always going to be tough but isn't that why May is chickening out and calling an early general election 3 years before her own party said there would be one?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 8:13:52 GMT
Well, if it's a contest between Uncle Peter's alleged "arrogance" and your delusional anti-E.U. hysteria I know who i trust most and it isn't you! I saw his arrogance on QT with his reply to a member of the audience As for me being delusional.....you are the one backing anti uk commissioners hell bent on ......"making Britain Pay" You mardarses now have a second pop at the cherry...go for it. Will you promise to shut the fuck up after you lose for a second time ? No chance on the last point I fear
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 19, 2017 8:15:35 GMT
Umunna taking bollocks as per. Its not a dictatorship because we're having a democratic election. Umunna refuses to work with Corbyn but declines running for leadership and then calls May cynical. Absolute tosh. This is your guy Momo? This is the saviour of the Left? A posh kid from London. Have a word with yourself mate. He's not my man at all rog! Just illustrating how the utterly fucking disgraceful performance of May yesterday is actually uniting Labour and many right wing commentators continue to dissect just what an utter load of bollocks she spouted yesterday. Mate, every front page today is talking about how she's strengthening her hand for Brexit. Yesterday she talked about Brexit. Labour uniting? What else can they say? Apart from admitting they're rats on a sinking ship now wishing they'd had a proper mutiny last year and not rolled over to a couple of hundred thousand £3 students.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 19, 2017 8:16:32 GMT
Umunna taking bollocks as per. Its not a dictatorship because we're having a democratic election. Umunna refuses to work with Corbyn but declines running for leadership and then calls May cynical. Absolute tosh. This is your guy Momo? This is the saviour of the Left? A posh kid from London. Have a word with yourself mate. He's not my man at all rog! Just illustrating how the utterly fucking disgraceful performance of May yesterday is actually uniting Labour and many right wing commentators continue to dissect just what an utter load of bollocks she spouted yesterday. Uniting Labour well that will last until May 5 at the latest, making it to the weekend will be an achievement! One other prediction Corbyn' s name will feature more on Tory leaflets than it will on Labour's. As of yesterday Labour had no list of key seats, no campaign budget, no slogan - this is a party who've been begging for an election and saying how ready they are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 8:24:04 GMT
He's not my man at all rog! Just illustrating how the utterly fucking disgraceful performance of May yesterday is actually uniting Labour and many right wing commentators continue to dissect just what an utter load of bollocks she spouted yesterday. Uniting Labour well that will last until May 5 at the latest, making it to the weekend will be an achievement! One other prediction Corbyn' s name will feature more on Tory leaflets than it will on Labour's. As of yesterday Labour had no list of key seats, no campaign budget, no slogan - this is a party who've been begging for an election and saying how ready they are.[/quote But then they would say that wouldn't they ? The reality is that they were dreading the local elections in May .....a general election a month later is their worst nightmare , I'm sure Mr Corbyn will heave a huge sigh of relief on 9 th June , he won't have to take part in the charade any more
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 8:25:02 GMT
Genuine question... Who should I be giving my vote to? My top priority is to sort out this completely out-of-control immigration (And all things immigrant related - Stopping foreign criminals coming here, deporting foreigners who commit crimes here etc...) Second on the list is to stop shafting the poor, sick & disabled, so I want someone who is going to improve our welfare system (And by 'improve' I don't just mean kicking everyone off! I mean genuine improvement to help the poorest & most needy British citizens - Foreigners shouldn't be getting a single penny untill they have lived and worked here for a number of years.) Slotting in with that I want the NHS improving & remaining free to every British national. (Again foreigners can pay their way untill they have lived and worked here for a number of years. It's the British National Health Service, not the Worlds.) It'd also be lovely to see all these mega rich companies starting to cough up their fair share of tax, and also being forced to pay proper wages on proper contracts. I also want to see some proper investment in our military but I only want to see them used to protect our country, not fighting in foreign lands. They're the main things I want dealing with, so which party am I sticking my little 'x' next to? Brexit's the main event at the moment. A vote for May gives the UK a stronger hand against the EU. May will be the toughest on immigration. She was pig sick of being told by Brussels who she could or couldn't deport when she was Home Secretary. Brexit's a one off international event. Theresa's you're man. So to speak :-) Come 2022 you can judge her on domestic matters and vote accordingly. You never know even Labour might have a dog in the fight by then. Your namesake Dr Goebbels would be proud of you! More lying Tory propaganda! The E.U. and indeed the U.K. have already set out their negotiating positions so whether May has a majority of 17 or 77 wouldn't change a flying fuck?! May has already stated immigration will continue after the divorce is complete! Indeed, I've heard Tory politicians saying immigration could actually go up! So much for your assertion she will control immigration! Apparently, we've got now got to wait until 2022 before we pass judgement on 7 years of Tory Austerity, 7 years of running massive deficits several years longer than their own plans, 7 years before we pass judgement on Hunt's fights with doctors, nurses over pay, 7 years before we can pass judgement on cuts to education in poor areas, 7 years before we pass judgement on caring for the elderly. We can all see now why chicken May doesn't want us to judge her in 2020! She is frit!
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Post by salopstick on Apr 19, 2017 8:25:31 GMT
Umunna taking bollocks as per. Its not a dictatorship because we're having a democratic election. Umunna refuses to work with Corbyn but declines running for leadership and then calls May cynical. Absolute tosh. This is your guy Momo? This is the saviour of the Left? A posh kid from London. Have a word with yourself mate. He's not my man at all rog! Just illustrating how the utterly fucking disgraceful performance of May yesterday is actually uniting Labour and many right wing commentators continue to dissect just what an utter load of bollocks she spouted yesterday. Uniting labour That is the most side splitting hilariously funny thing you have ever said.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 19, 2017 8:27:24 GMT
He's not my man at all rog! Just illustrating how the utterly fucking disgraceful performance of May yesterday is actually uniting Labour and many right wing commentators continue to dissect just what an utter load of bollocks she spouted yesterday. Mate, every front page today is talking about how she's strengthening her hand for Brexit. Yesterday she talked about Brexit. Labour uniting? What else can they say? Apart from admitting they're rats on a sinking ship now wishing they'd had a proper mutiny last year and not rolled over to a couple of hundred thousand £3 students. The Brexit line is utter poppycock, rog.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 8:28:55 GMT
He's not my man at all rog! Just illustrating how the utterly fucking disgraceful performance of May yesterday is actually uniting Labour and many right wing commentators continue to dissect just what an utter load of bollocks she spouted yesterday. Uniting labour That is the most side splitting hilariously funny thing you have ever said. I'm sure he wasn't typing with a straight face .
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 8:34:37 GMT
He's not my man at all rog! Just illustrating how the utterly fucking disgraceful performance of May yesterday is actually uniting Labour and many right wing commentators continue to dissect just what an utter load of bollocks she spouted yesterday. Uniting labour That is the most side splitting hilariously funny thing you have ever said. No! The most hilariously funny thing ever said was May saying the election would be about "leadership" and the Tories last night saying she might not debate the other party leaders on t.v.! Chicken May! Chickened out of campaigning for her side Remain in the Referendum and chickened out of facing a 2020 g.e.. I'm just waiting for her to appear on a 'Happy Egg' advert?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 8:41:07 GMT
If she was a chicken she would have hardly called an election .
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Post by Northy on Apr 19, 2017 8:48:57 GMT
how is calling an election rejecting the idea of an opposition, she's giving everybody a chance to take the government off her and put her in opposition ?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 8:49:12 GMT
If she was a chicken she would have hardly called an election . Of course she is a chicken! Ted Heath went to the country early in February 1974 . But this was because he needed 5 more years as the Barber boom was about to crash(which it did!). This isn't a sign of strength but a sign of weakness and failure! If it quacks like a duck, it is duck!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 8:54:34 GMT
If she was a chicken she would have hardly called an election . Of course she is a chicken! Ted Heath went to the country early in February 1974 . But this was because he needed 5 more years as the Barber boom was about to crash(which it did!). This isn't a sign of strength but a sign of weakness and failure! If it quacks like a duck, it is duck! Well let's wait for the election results before deciding whether it is a failure or not ? When did a chicken turn into a duck ?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 19, 2017 8:55:01 GMT
If she was a chicken she would have hardly called an election . Of course she is a chicken! Ted Heath went to the country early in February 1974 . But this was because he needed 5 more years as the Barber boom was about to crash(which it did!). This isn't a sign of strength but a sign of weakness and failure! If it quacks like a duck, it is duck! If this is a sign of weakness & failure then surely the Tories will lose, which I'm guessing means Labour will win, so you should be happy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 9:03:45 GMT
Of course she is a chicken! Ted Heath went to the country early in February 1974 . But this was because he needed 5 more years as the Barber boom was about to crash(which it did!). This isn't a sign of strength but a sign of weakness and failure! If it quacks like a duck, it is duck! If this is a sign of weakness & failure then surely the Tories will lose, which I'm guessing means Labour will win, so you should be happy? But that is applying logic surely ?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 9:13:36 GMT
If this is a sign of weakness & failure then surely the Tories will lose, which I'm guessing means Labour will win, so you should be happy? But that is applying logic surely ? No, it is sign of weakness that you're having to push out the time you face the electorate from 2020 to 2022! It was the Tories who wanted 5 Year Fixed Term parliaments. It was in a manifesto she stood on and was elected on! That's logic and facts!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 19, 2017 9:21:15 GMT
No, it is sign of weakness that you're having to push out the time you face the electorate from 2020 to 2022! It was the Tories who wanted 5 Year Fixed Term parliaments. It was in a manifesto she stood on and was elected on! That's logic and facts! But's she's doing the exact opposite & bring it forward from 2020 to 2017? I'm no fan of the Tories but some of the shit that gets posted on political threads cracks me up. Nick, Bath, Momo & the gang praise absolutely everything Labour do & slate absolutely everything the Tories do. Salop, Rog, FYD & the gang praise absolutely everything the Tories do & slate absolutely everything Labour do. It's no wonder this country is in such a mess & our politicians laugh at us so much, when so many people are so utterly devoted to their 'side', and can never, ever admit that their own side gets things wrong & the other side gets things right.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 9:23:40 GMT
But that is applying logic surely ? No, it is sign of weakness that you're having to push out the time you face the electorate from 2020 to 2022! It was the Tories who wanted 5 Year Fixed Term parliaments. It was in a manifesto she stood on and was elected on! That's logic and facts! You could possibly argue that these are extenuating circumstances , it's not a normal General Election by any stretch of the imagination ......I don't understand why you are so uptight about it ? If Labour don't like it they can always abstain from the vote today , presumably you would be happy with that happening ?
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 19, 2017 9:31:34 GMT
Uniting Labour well that will last until May 5 at the latest, making it to the weekend will be an achievement! One other prediction Corbyn' s name will feature more on Tory leaflets than it will on Labour's. As of yesterday Labour had no list of key seats, no campaign budget, no slogan - this is a party who've been begging for an election and saying how ready they are.[/quote But then they would say that wouldn't they ? The reality is that they were dreading the local elections in May .....a general election a month later is their worst nightmare , I'm sure Mr Corbyn will heave a huge sigh of relief on 9 th June , he won't have to take part in the charade any more I think the fun will really start after the election when the hard left and Jezhadi's start the infighting with anyone remotely sane, the assumption a change of leader cures this for 2021 is very optimistic, detoxifying post Jezza will take years.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 9:33:05 GMT
No, it is sign of weakness that you're having to push out the time you face the electorate from 2020 to 2022! It was the Tories who wanted 5 Year Fixed Term parliaments. It was in a manifesto she stood on and was elected on! That's logic and facts! You coul possibly argue that these are extenuating circumstances , it's not a normal General Election by any stretch of the imagination ......I don't understand why you are so uptight about it ? If Labour don't like it they can always abstain from the vote today , presumably you would be happy with that happening ? But there are no extenuating circumstances! She has a majority of 17 which in reality because Sinn Fein, Speaker don't vote and the Unionists would support her so the majority is greater than 17! It's not a normal election when the Tories have gone back on their own 5 Year Fixed Term parliaments! I don't think letting May get away with this con-trick is right so I would not support her on constitutional grounds!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 19, 2017 9:35:30 GMT
Brexit's the main event at the moment. A vote for May gives the UK a stronger hand against the EU. May will be the toughest on immigration. She was pig sick of being told by Brussels who she could or couldn't deport when she was Home Secretary. Brexit's a one off international event. Theresa's you're man. So to speak :-) Come 2022 you can judge her on domestic matters and vote accordingly. You never know even Labour might have a dog in the fight by then. Your namesake Dr Goebbels would be proud of you! More lying Tory propaganda! The E.U. and indeed the U.K. have already set out their negotiating positions so whether May has a majority of 17 or 77 wouldn't change a flying fuck?! May has already stated immigration will continue after the divorce is complete! Indeed, I've heard Tory politicians saying immigration could actually go up! So much for your assertion she will control immigration! Apparently, we've got now got to wait until 2022 before we pass judgement on 7 years of Tory Austerity, 7 years of running massive deficits several years longer than their own plans, 7 years before we pass judgement on Hunt's fights with doctors, nurses over pay, 7 years before we can pass judgement on cuts to education in poor areas, 7 years before we pass judgement on caring for the elderly. We can all see now why chicken May doesn't want us to judge her in 2020! She is frit! The EU and UK have set out some initial positions and they're not the same. They'll both change over the next two years. If there are 18 Tory rebels then having a majority of 77 does matter. Your chin dribble about 7 years is nonsense even for you Nicholas :-) We all voted two years ago and we can all pass judgement again in 7 weeks time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 9:36:48 GMT
Stick the election! All I will say is that it is obvious to anyone with a nose on their face, that the Tories look after their own. Namely the rich and well off! Unfair IMHO opinion! But do they CARE? Do they f--k!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 9:41:48 GMT
No, it is sign of weakness that you're having to push out the time you face the electorate from 2020 to 2022! It was the Tories who wanted 5 Year Fixed Term parliaments. It was in a manifesto she stood on and was elected on! That's logic and facts! But's she's doing the exact opposite & bring it forward from 2020 to 2017? I'm no fan of the Tories but some of the shit that gets posted on political threads cracks me up. Nick, Bath, Momo & the gang praise absolutely everything Labour do & slate absolutely everything the Tories do. Salop, Rog, FYD & the gang praise absolutely everything the Tories do & slate absolutely everything Labour do. It's no wonder this country is in such a mess & our politicians laugh at us so much, when so many people are so utterly devoted to their 'side', and can never, ever admit that their own side gets things wrong & the other side gets things right. The appropriate time set constitutionally is 2020! That's what the Tories introduced! What's so wrong expecting the Tories to stick with what they introduced? Politicians bringing an election forwards early 3 years is only done because they are frightened of fighting an election later! Since WW2, the only early elections were either when governments had a very small majority and no choice e.g. Labour in 1951 and 1966 or when governments were scared of waiting e.g. Tories in February 1974 and now. They are the facts!
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 19, 2017 9:45:25 GMT
Of course she is a chicken! Ted Heath went to the country early in February 1974 . But this was because he needed 5 more years as the Barber boom was about to crash(which it did!). This isn't a sign of strength but a sign of weakness and failure! If it quacks like a duck, it is duck! Well let's wait for the election results before deciding whether it is a failure or not ? When did a chicken turn into a duck ? When it received it's bill
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 9:48:53 GMT
Your namesake Dr Goebbels would be proud of you! More lying Tory propaganda! The E.U. and indeed the U.K. have already set out their negotiating positions so whether May has a majority of 17 or 77 wouldn't change a flying fuck?! May has already stated immigration will continue after the divorce is complete! Indeed, I've heard Tory politicians saying immigration could actually go up! So much for your assertion she will control immigration! Apparently, we've got now got to wait until 2022 before we pass judgement on 7 years of Tory Austerity, 7 years of running massive deficits several years longer than their own plans, 7 years before we pass judgement on Hunt's fights with doctors, nurses over pay, 7 years before we can pass judgement on cuts to education in poor areas, 7 years before we pass judgement on caring for the elderly. We can all see now why chicken May doesn't want us to judge her in 2020! She is frit! The EU and UK have set out some initial positions and they're not the same. They'll both change over the next two years. If there are 18 Tory rebels then having a majority of 77 does matter. Your chin dribble about 7 years is nonsense even for you Nicholas :-) We all voted two years ago and we can all pass judgement again in 7 weeks time. So, we now have the real reason we're having an election! It's because chicken May can't trust her own Party! Why don't you run on your record in 2020? Because it's bad now and getting worse! Inflation heading up to 3%! The BoE expected to raise interest rates before Christmas. Nurses going on strike(probably), teachers too! Chicken May trying to lock us into 5 more years of Tory cuts!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 9:49:58 GMT
You coul possibly argue that these are extenuating circumstances , it's not a normal General Election by any stretch of the imagination ......I don't understand why you are so uptight about it ? If Labour don't like it they can always abstain from the vote today , presumably you would be happy with that happening ? But there are no extenuating circumstances! She has a majority of 17 which in reality because Sinn Fein, Speaker don't vote and the Unionists would support her so the majority is greater than 17! It's not a normal election when the Tories have gone back on their own 5 Year Fixed Term parliaments! I don't think letting May get away with this con-trick is right so I would not support her on constitutional grounds! I'm sure " con trick " was an unintentional pun on your behalf .....I think more than anything you are fearful of the result , with good reason as a Labour supporter , there may not be much left for you to support post June 8 .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 9:53:46 GMT
Well let's wait for the election results before deciding whether it is a failure or not ? When did a chicken turn into a duck ? When it received it's bill Good point.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 19, 2017 10:03:55 GMT
But there are no extenuating circumstances! She has a majority of 17 which in reality because Sinn Fein, Speaker don't vote and the Unionists would support her so the majority is greater than 17! It's not a normal election when the Tories have gone back on their own 5 Year Fixed Term parliaments! I don't think letting May get away with this con-trick is right so I would not support her on constitutional grounds! I'm sure " con trick " was an unintentional pun on your behalf .....I think more than anything you are fearful of the result , with good reason as a Labour supporter , there may not be much left for you to support post June 8 . You're 100% right there may not much left to support post June 8! No N.H.S., no care for the elderly, no good comps(turned into grammar schools), no social housing, no sensible Brexit! Too bloody true there won't be much left if Chicken May is re-elected!
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