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Post by salopstick on May 17, 2017 8:20:59 GMT
I do believe that some in the Labour Party genuinely would like to see a fairer society. Alongside democracy ( Brexit, electoral reform, HofL abolition ), giving hope to the young( real job creation, removal of student loans, zero hour contracts, and genuine skill training), over population, the funding of an unaffordable health service, culture clash, I see the division between the rich and poor to be one of the major issues we have today. It is not simply a division between the lazy and the hardworkers.The system, including high unemployment ( which is why young people are effectively required to go to school until they are 21) does not make it easy to be entrepreneurial, aspirational....Globalisation and multinationals make it hard to open an independent cafe in a town with Costas and McDonald's etc. Personally ( and I am aware that some posters of my age would vehemently disagree with me on this ) I would like to see public ownership of the Utilities......I realise the problems of the 70s and 80s, my father was a miner for 46 years and I was a Policeman, interesting times..... ..I don't know the answer ....but that is the challenge for Labour ...to come up with a vision that is not " same old, same old"....which their manifesto seems to be....I am sire that some sort if model can be developed in the modern era with workers in the board , and " conditions, culture" that means that they either could not strike or it would be unethical to do so.....nurses COULD Not have an all out strike.....many might say that this is our in the sky Corbynesque cloud cuckoo land....BUT we have major problems in this country and we need to think outside the box, perhaps a model in which bosses and workers should work MUCH closer together in a daily basis, and perhaps with some interchangeable roles , in this age in which everyone is a graduate. On a basic level in my opinion it is irrelevant what they are saying because of 3 main issues....wring in Brexit, an ineffectual weak leader with too much baggage to succeed ( perceived by many, particularly when considered on a world stage, even if some want to believe that this is media driven....a well meaning man though) and completely polarised divided party. Other than the major mistake of misjudging Brexit, Labour have lost it , irrespective of the manifesto, because....they have taken their traditional base for granted , particularly the white working class. They have tried to collude with them instead of presenting the reality and hope that hard work can pay. Brexit was the watershed that highlighted that Labour was out of touch ....the plans had a chance to have a say, and this time you have to listen. If the working class wanted to talk about their concerns with identity and culture clash, which is visible and real in their communities , they were dismissed as " racist". In stead of listening Labour behaved like any authoritarian bosses" we know best, we will tell you what to think, do as you are told and we will give you an extra couple of quid, but vote for us". Labour have also been unable or unwilling to address the issue of those who chose disability as a lifestyle choice.....this really angers their fellow neighbours , but Labour are oblivious to this. A small issue fir some of the London intelligentsia but PC conformity has made it impossible to address traveller cultural incompatibilities, rather than address this by strongly asserting and acknowledging the rights of the majority ( which the working class would like) Labour would rather talk about minority rights....does not matter if those rights are suspect. The problem in this country with nationalisation is the unions. I'm not saying for one minute workers shouldn't have rights but when strikes are called for the smallest of problems or needed changes in T&Cs it becomes a problem. If the unions recognised and advised their members that some changes are needed however unsatisfactory it may work. Contrary to popular belief I believe in unions, they are needed but they should not have unlimited power to bring firms to the brink. But like I said with Scotland last night. How come a nationalised Scottish water company couldn't compete with Anglian water for a £350m Contract. Woman of the people Nicola sturgeon should have accepted the £50m less Scottish water was offering to keep the money in Scotland thus helping their workers and economy. One step back for bigger gains in future. Publicly owned companies are great but to often badly run. Parts of the NHS being an example Until they get this right nationalisation will never happen. Let's take electricity for example. Rather than nationalise it I'd rather the government pay for renewable energy for every house. Solar panels, small turbines whatever is applicable.
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Post by salopstick on May 17, 2017 8:22:59 GMT
Who pays extra corporation tax? Us In higher prices Us in wages squeezes Us in lower returns on pensions And that is from John Mcternan a former Labour Party advisor. There is no pot of money you can just go and raid. We will all end up paying. And that's with out the uncosted privatisation program. Perhaps, we can raid the same pot that pays for your platinum plated wages and platinum plated pensions? That's one pot that is always full and over brimming! You have no idea. And it's hardly platinum. I have been on the same pay freeze as everyone else And rather than have a sly dig you didn't disput the fact that corporation tax affects us all. Well done
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 17, 2017 8:38:27 GMT
Perhaps, we can raid the same pot that pays for your platinum plated wages and platinum plated pensions? That's one pot that is always full and over brimming! You have no idea. And it's hardly platinum. I have been on the same pay freeze as everyone else And rather than have a sly dig you didn't disput the fact that corporation tax affects us all. Well done I have a very good idea! It's no coincidence that all the right wingers in the military and police support the Tories because you've got the best terms and conditions in the public sector by a country mile! Why not let you lot enjoy the benefits of the private sector you so adore and you lot can have the same pension as B.H.S. workers? Instead of the Tories holding mickey mouse referenda on PR, Indyref, E.U. let's give the British people a referendum on that!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 17, 2017 9:00:04 GMT
I do believe that some in the Labour Party genuinely would like to see a fairer society. Alongside democracy ( Brexit, electoral reform, HofL abolition ), giving hope to the young( real job creation, removal of student loans, zero hour contracts, and genuine skill training), over population, the funding of an unaffordable health service, culture clash, I see the division between the rich and poor to be one of the major issues we have today. It is not simply a division between the lazy and the hardworkers.The system, including high unemployment ( which is why young people are effectively required to go to school until they are 21) does not make it easy to be entrepreneurial, aspirational....Globalisation and multinationals make it hard to open an independent cafe in a town with Costas and McDonald's etc. Personally ( and I am aware that some posters of my age would vehemently disagree with me on this ) I would like to see public ownership of the Utilities......I realise the problems of the 70s and 80s, my father was a miner for 46 years and I was a Policeman, interesting times..... ..I don't know the answer ....but that is the challenge for Labour ...to come up with a vision that is not " same old, same old"....which their manifesto seems to be....I am sire that some sort if model can be developed in the modern era with workers in the board , and " conditions, culture" that means that they either could not strike or it would be unethical to do so.....nurses COULD Not have an all out strike.....many might say that this is our in the sky Corbynesque cloud cuckoo land....BUT we have major problems in this country and we need to think outside the box, perhaps a model in which bosses and workers should work MUCH closer together in a daily basis, and perhaps with some interchangeable roles , in this age in which everyone is a graduate. On a basic level in my opinion it is irrelevant what they are saying because of 3 main issues....wring in Brexit, an ineffectual weak leader with too much baggage to succeed ( perceived by many, particularly when considered on a world stage, even if some want to believe that this is media driven....a well meaning man though) and completely polarised divided party. Other than the major mistake of misjudging Brexit, Labour have lost it , irrespective of the manifesto, because....they have taken their traditional base for granted , particularly the white working class. They have tried to collude with them instead of presenting the reality and hope that hard work can pay. Brexit was the watershed that highlighted that Labour was out of touch ....the plans had a chance to have a say, and this time you have to listen. If the working class wanted to talk about their concerns with identity and culture clash, which is visible and real in their communities , they were dismissed as " racist". In stead of listening Labour behaved like any authoritarian bosses" we know best, we will tell you what to think, do as you are told and we will give you an extra couple of quid, but vote for us". Labour have also been unable or unwilling to address the issue of those who chose disability as a lifestyle choice.....this really angers their fellow neighbours , but Labour are oblivious to this. A small issue fir some of the London intelligentsia but PC conformity has made it impossible to address traveller cultural incompatibilities, rather than address this by strongly asserting and acknowledging the rights of the majority ( which the working class would like) Labour would rather talk about minority rights....does not matter if those rights are suspect. The problem in this country with nationalisation is the unions. I'm not saying for one minute workers shouldn't have rights but when strikes are called for the smallest of problems or needed changes in T&Cs it becomes a problem. If the unions recognised and advised their members that some changes are needed however unsatisfactory it may work. Contrary to popular belief I believe in unions, they are needed but they should not have unlimited power to bring firms to the brink. But like I said with Scotland last night. How come a nationalised Scottish water company couldn't compete with Anglian water for a £350m Contract. Woman of the people Nicola sturgeon should have accepted the £50m less Scottish water was offering to keep the money in Scotland thus helping their workers and economy. One step back for bigger gains in future. Publicly owned companies are great but to often badly run. Parts of the NHS being an example Until they get this right nationalisation will never happen. Let's take electricity for example. Rather than nationalise it I'd rather the government pay for renewable energy for every house. Solar panels, small turbines whatever is applicable. I agree Salop...but that's why I think that someone needs to come up with a new model, new conditions.. .. , as far as possible getting workers to run it and be involved at EVERY level, where they have to address economic realities for the good of the business and the country. I don't pretend to know much about it BUT ...in Japan there is ( too much?) identity and loyalty to the corporation, Germany seems to come up trumps( small t) ...surely we could listen and learn from these and produce a better UK model.You are right , if we keep repeating the same mistakes of the past we will get the same outcomes....which is one of the problems with the perceptions of Labour...One fraction looks like and probably are dinosaurs, the other lot are not really Labour anyway. Another thing that I would like to see is Government support and backing for our own industry...I am sure that the French and Germans ( and Chinese and Japanese) use "the ways and means act" to do this under the radar....despite free trading restrictions...why can't we, from scratch, with Govt support, develop a state of the art, future proof, environmentally friendly car....do we need to wait for permission from the world to do this....A bit dramatic but in wartime to some degree the nation came together for the common good and achieved against the odds . My father in law was a carpenter/ builder and a union man. In his day to be a member of the union involved a work ethic and pride in the profession. I can remember him saying for instance that to turn up for work late, with the wrong tools was not tolerated....by the fellow workers, not management.Slackers. The modern Labour party has encouraged a disability culture( again it is impossible to discuss this..not PC / not acknowledging genuine disability and need) He learnt not to borrow other carpenters' tools because as an apprentice he once did so, and got a smack in the gob...tools were expensive.
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Post by followyoudown on May 17, 2017 9:04:24 GMT
You have no idea. And it's hardly platinum. I have been on the same pay freeze as everyone else And rather than have a sly dig you didn't disput the fact that corporation tax affects us all. Well done I have a very good idea! It's no coincidence that all the right wingers in the military and police support the Tories because you've got the best terms and conditions in the public sector by a country mile! Why not let you lot enjoy the benefits of the private sector you so adore and you lot can have the same pension as B.H.S. workers? Instead of the Tories holding mickey mouse referenda on PR, Indyref, E.U. let's give the British people a referendum on that! Yeah fancy paying people who might have to risk their lives to protect you a good pension or salary, you've got your clown shoes on today Nicky. The benefits of the private sector would also include health and safety legislation, perhaps we can replace Trident by sending out Jeremy to play scissors, rock and stone ? And I'll also add if you really think the British people would vote anything other than to improve the terms and conditions for the police and army, you're even more clueless than I thought.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 9:48:30 GMT
Who pays extra corporation tax? Us In higher prices Us in wages squeezes Us in lower returns on pensions And that is from John Mcternan a former Labour Party advisor. There is no pot of money you can just go and raid. We will all end up paying. And that's with out the uncosted privatisation program. No you won't. Open your eyes. You truly do post some fucking shit. Have you wondered how many companies would counteract increased taxation? Lower wages? Increased prices? Increased prices would increase inflation. Something that Labour of old were brilliant at. What if comapanies decided to move abroad? How can anyone promise such huge spending and taxation changes when the outcome of Brexit is yet to be seen? New Labour skewed the public\private sector earnings ratio in favour of the public sector whilst increasing the deficit and debt. Despite this they kept telling us that increased public sector and welfare spending improves the economy. Well, it fucking didn't did it and that was pre-crash. What if Labour's new taxes bring in less than expected which many commentators believe will be the case. Will they increase taxes for people on lower pay scales or borrow more? And finally, why the fuck are Labour planning to nationalise the rail services when we have record number of users and why are they funding free degrees when we have more people attending university than ever before? Why would anyone decide to tax people to pay for something that's already working? It also looks like people on benefits or disabled aren't going to get a great deal more under Labour which suggests that their spending will help them create hundreds of thousands of pointless public sector jobs whilst paying existing public sector workers even more. It's nothing more than the usual public sector spendfest with no thought as to how they'd improve services. Just more money for less. Still, none of this matters because the incompetent thick fucking moron that is Corbyn won't get anywhere near government. He's just confirming that many Labour supporters are as thick as fuck.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 17, 2017 10:23:04 GMT
I have a very good idea! It's no coincidence that all the right wingers in the military and police support the Tories because you've got the best terms and conditions in the public sector by a country mile! Why not let you lot enjoy the benefits of the private sector you so adore and you lot can have the same pension as B.H.S. workers? Instead of the Tories holding mickey mouse referenda on PR, Indyref, E.U. let's give the British people a referendum on that! Yeah fancy paying people who might have to risk their lives to protect you a good pension or salary, you've got your clown shoes on today Nicky. The benefits of the private sector would also include health and safety legislation, perhaps we can replace Trident by sending out Jeremy to play scissors, rock and stone ? And I'll also add if you really think the British people would vote anything other than to improve the terms and conditions for the police and army, you're even more clueless than I thought. I'm not suggesting the British people do one thing or the other but merely commenting on the fact we're never given the choice? I read 'big''s post with interest about people with disability choosing it as a lifestyle? I suffered 50% brain damage as a 12 month year old so nobody gave me a choice in that! Incidentally, whilst 'big''s colleagues were indulging in the corruption at Hillsborough and in The Miner's Strike I was working full time and doing 2/3 hours commuting paying taxes for their pay and pensions despite suffering on-going epilepsy. Forgive me if I don't take political instruction from this group of Tory nodding donkey's!
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Post by essexstokey on May 17, 2017 11:19:26 GMT
Perhaps, we can raid the same pot that pays for your platinum plated wages and platinum plated pensions? That's one pot that is always full and over brimming! You have no idea. And it's hardly platinum. I have been on the same pay freeze as everyone else And rather than have a sly dig you didn't disput the fact that corporation tax affects us all. Well done Yes but a pay freeze on a wage that is high and gives high disposable income is not the same as a low wage with no disposable income it hits those at the bottom more with some having to make the choice between heat and food hence the increase in the last 7 years of food banks. I wonder what political party was in controle
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Post by partickpotter on May 17, 2017 11:52:33 GMT
Cmon folks.
The question still stands: What are Labour planning to do to grow the economy?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 17, 2017 11:56:38 GMT
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 17, 2017 12:09:28 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 17, 2017 12:22:12 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 17, 2017 12:26:00 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on May 17, 2017 13:12:10 GMT
Oh you mean the £500 billion of capital spending that they can borrow at zero cost (no interest in the costing for this), nevermind the £52 billion of cuts / extra tax that they need to find to eliminate the deficit as promised.
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Post by followyoudown on May 17, 2017 13:16:23 GMT
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Post by salopstick on May 17, 2017 13:17:46 GMT
No you won't. Open your eyes. You truly do post some fucking shit. Have you wondered how many companies would counteract increased taxation? Lower wages? Increased prices? Increased prices would increase inflation. Something that Labour of old were brilliant at. What if comapanies decided to move abroad? How can anyone promise such huge spending and taxation changes when the outcome of Brexit is yet to be seen? New Labour skewed the public\private sector earnings ratio in favour of the public sector whilst increasing the deficit and debt. Despite this they kept telling us that increased public sector and welfare spending improves the economy. Well, it fucking didn't did it and that was pre-crash. What if Labour's new taxes bring in less than expected which many commentators believe will be the case. Will they increase taxes for people on lower pay scales or borrow more? And finally, why the fuck are Labour planning to nationalise the rail services when we have record number of users and why are they funding free degrees when we have more people attending university than ever before? Why would anyone decide to tax people to pay for something that's already working? It also looks like people on benefits or disabled aren't going to get a great deal more under Labour which suggests that their spending will help them create hundreds of thousands of pointless public sector jobs whilst paying existing public sector workers even more. It's nothing more than the usual public sector spendfest with no thought as to how they'd improve services. Just more money for less. Still, none of this matters because the incompetent thick fucking moron that is Corbyn won't get anywhere near government. He's just confirming that many Labour supporters are as thick as fuck. I've missed your common sense
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Post by salopstick on May 17, 2017 13:19:14 GMT
You have no idea. And it's hardly platinum. I have been on the same pay freeze as everyone else And rather than have a sly dig you didn't disput the fact that corporation tax affects us all. Well done Yes but a pay freeze on a wage that is high and gives high disposable income is not the same as a low wage with no disposable income it hits those at the bottom more with some having to make the choice between heat and food hence the increase in the last 7 years of food banks. I wonder what political party was in controle I'm not moaning about my pay but at the same time I won't rise to allcocks claim it's platinum
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Post by followyoudown on May 17, 2017 13:24:16 GMT
Cmon folks. The question still stands: What are Labour planning to do to grow the economy? Well here are the clear as mud plans for nationalising Electricity, from the delivery and explanation plans for the economy may be work in progress.
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Post by followyoudown on May 17, 2017 13:43:17 GMT
Yeah fancy paying people who might have to risk their lives to protect you a good pension or salary, you've got your clown shoes on today Nicky. The benefits of the private sector would also include health and safety legislation, perhaps we can replace Trident by sending out Jeremy to play scissors, rock and stone ? And I'll also add if you really think the British people would vote anything other than to improve the terms and conditions for the police and army, you're even more clueless than I thought. I'm not suggesting the British people do one thing or the other but merely commenting on the fact we're never given the choice? I read 'big''s post with interest about people with disability choosing it as a lifestyle? I suffered 50% brain damage as a 12 month year old so nobody gave me a choice in that! Incidentally, whilst 'big''s colleagues were indulging in the corruption at Hillsborough and in The Miner's Strike I was working full time and doing 2/3 hours commuting paying taxes for their pay and pensions despite suffering on-going epilepsy. Forgive me if I don't take political instruction from this group of Tory nodding donkey's! Firstly I think BJR is an ex-Labour UKIP voter, accurate as always Secondly I wasn't aware you worked or lived in Sheffield, I thought you were lived much closer to Stoke than that (and Northwich of course) in Lewisham so if anything your taxes would be paying for the pensions going to the families of people like Keith Blakelock, John Fordham, Yvonne Fletcher, Phillip Olds, Keith Palmer, Adele Cashman, Andrew Duncan and many more - guess that doesn't fit in with you glib and smug comments so well though hey ? Thirdly I don't recall reading the comments you seem to have taken exception too on the basis of your own health issues but there is no doubt that people are playing the system at every level and I don't see why that would be different with regards to disability benefits but equally I have no idea how many people are doing this.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 17, 2017 13:55:46 GMT
Are you equating a Foreign Secretary who has previously said racist things, displaying a lack of knowledge and the complete crassness to offend an entire religion with a woman walking the wrong way of the stage??!? This Lynton Crosby is a fucking genius, I'll give him that!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 17, 2017 14:03:55 GMT
Cmon folks. The question still stands: What are Labour planning to do to grow the economy? Well here are the clear as mud plans for nationalising Electricity, from the delivery and explanation plans for the economy may be work in progress. I saw this live. It was a slightly more genteel "Diane Abbott moment" but just as cringe worthy. Labour promised the moon, told us to wait for Manifesto details and now just can't explain them in any meaningful way. Labour MP accuses BBC Newsnight of putting party ‘on trial’ over manifesto details - BBC
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 17, 2017 14:22:42 GMT
Are you equating a Foreign Secretary who has previously said racist things, displaying a lack of knowledge and the complete crassness to offend an entire religion with a woman walking the wrong way of the stage??!? This Lynton Crosby is a fucking genius, I'll give him that! Attachment Deleted Didn't those students have to apologise for offending racial sensitivities when they were out boozing wearing sombrero's? I think we just have to admit that there's seemingly nothing BoJo can do or say that will make him look bad to the vast majority of people.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 17, 2017 14:46:03 GMT
I'm confussed asto what Boris has done wrong?
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Post by followyoudown on May 17, 2017 14:49:02 GMT
Are you equating a Foreign Secretary who has previously said racist things, displaying a lack of knowledge and the complete crassness to offend an entire religion with a woman who has previously said racist things, displayed a lack of knowledge and the complete crassness to offend a whole race of people walking the wrong way of the stage??!? This Lynton Crosby is a fucking genius, I'll give him that! I fixed that for you MoMo but yes good revised point, Boris can find his way off stage so no comparison.
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Post by followyoudown on May 17, 2017 15:00:13 GMT
Are you equating a Foreign Secretary who has previously said racist things, displaying a lack of knowledge and the complete crassness to offend an entire religion with a woman walking the wrong way of the stage??!? This Lynton Crosby is a fucking genius, I'll give him that! View Attachment Didn't those students have to apologise for offending racial sensitivities when they were out boozing wearing sombrero's? I think we just have to admit that there's seemingly nothing BoJo can do or say that will make him look bad to the vast majority of people. I know most Sikhs don't drink so Boris should do really, tad harsh giving him the guantenmo coloured Dastar / Turban though. To be honest I doubt the general Sikh community will have been offended, they are a perfect example of a group of people who have integrated but kept their own traditions without forcing them onto anyone else and most importantly learnt the language something other communities like scousers could learn from
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 17, 2017 15:03:08 GMT
I'm not suggesting the British people do one thing or the other but merely commenting on the fact we're never given the choice? I read 'big''s post with interest about people with disability choosing it as a lifestyle? I suffered 50% brain damage as a 12 month year old so nobody gave me a choice in that! Incidentally, whilst 'big''s colleagues were indulging in the corruption at Hillsborough and in The Miner's Strike I was working full time and doing 2/3 hours commuting paying taxes for their pay and pensions despite suffering on-going epilepsy. Forgive me if I don't take political instruction from this group of Tory nodding donkey's! Firstly I think BJR is an ex-Labour UKIP voter, accurate as always Secondly I wasn't aware you worked or lived in Sheffield, I thought you were lived much closer to Stoke than that (and Northwich of course) in Lewisham so if anything your taxes would be paying for the pensions going to the families of people like Keith Blakelock, John Fordham, Yvonne Fletcher, Phillip Olds, Keith Palmer, Adele Cashman, Andrew Duncan and many more - guess that doesn't fit in with you glib and smug comments so well though hey ? Thirdly I don't recall reading the comments you seem to have taken exception too on the basis of your own health issues but there is no doubt that people are playing the system at every level and I don't see why that would be different with regards to disability benefits but equally I have no idea how many people are doing this. I worked in London but you've forgotten to mention the sacrifices made by the miners who were criminalised corruptly, you forgot to mention the network of corruption at Hillsborough and the Miner's Strike. How many of those corrupt officers ever lost a penny in wages or pension not one single penny! But when so many Tories get away with white collar crime is it any wonder when the Tories have made the police's terms and conditions of employment so good? Coming to your comment about disabled people playing the system. This is the true face of Toryism! How anyone can 'play the system' when all medical records are made available to the authorities I'm not sure. But the truth is, if you can rig the system with your mates in the Tory Party it is called 'public service' but if you can survive the bureaucratic machine's intrusiveness you're cheating it? This is why I'm not a Tory!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 17, 2017 15:06:15 GMT
I'm confussed asto what Boris has done wrong? Nowt really. He's on the campaign trail, he's the Foreign Secretary and a Brexiteer. Talking about post Brexit Britain, trade deals and tariffs and mention's no tariff on Scotch Whiskey. Momo and the Mirror get their knickers in a twist because the conversation was in a Sikh temple. Apparently just saying the word whiskey is offensive to some people who don't drink.
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Post by Northy on May 17, 2017 15:10:05 GMT
I'm confussed asto what Boris has done wrong? he was talking about alcohol in a sikh temple, ending tariffs on whisky between UK and India, their religion is against drinking alcohol. It's all a bit PC and over sensitive if you ask me, if adults cannot discuss something like that even in a place of worship, it isn't blaspheming against their god
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Post by josh on May 17, 2017 15:18:41 GMT
You truly do post some fucking shit. Have you wondered how many companies would counteract increased taxation? Lower wages? Increased prices? Increased prices would increase inflation. Something that Labour of old were brilliant at. What if comapanies decided to move abroad? How can anyone promise such huge spending and taxation changes when the outcome of Brexit is yet to be seen? New Labour skewed the public\private sector earnings ratio in favour of the public sector whilst increasing the deficit and debt. Despite this they kept telling us that increased public sector and welfare spending improves the economy. Well, it fucking didn't did it and that was pre-crash. What if Labour's new taxes bring in less than expected which many commentators believe will be the case. Will they increase taxes for people on lower pay scales or borrow more? And finally, why the fuck are Labour planning to nationalise the rail services when we have record number of users and why are they funding free degrees when we have more people attending university than ever before? Why would anyone decide to tax people to pay for something that's already working? It also looks like people on benefits or disabled aren't going to get a great deal more under Labour which suggests that their spending will help them create hundreds of thousands of pointless public sector jobs whilst paying existing public sector workers even more. It's nothing more than the usual public sector spendfest with no thought as to how they'd improve services. Just more money for less. Still, none of this matters because the incompetent thick fucking moron that is Corbyn won't get anywhere near government. He's just confirming that many Labour supporters are as thick as fuck. Increases in prices/inflation would be counteracted by an increase in wages. There won't be lower wages. He is increasing the minimum wage. Companies won't move abroad. It just doesn't make sense, a corporation tax rate of 26% is still below average for countries comparable to us. They would pay more by moving abroad. The only way companies would jump ship is if May gets in to power and fucks up brexit. We will be in shit with financial services moving jobs and HQ abroad, big business preferring the EU (Vauxhall shutdown here while Opel carry on in the EU?). Import/export rates. Investing in roads, rail, broadband etc. It improves business links, effectiveness/efficency and capacity - capitalism requires all these to flourish. It is daft to say otherwise. Even the Tories realise this by building/widening roads, HS2 etc. As regards the rail. We pay massive subsidies to train operators to run our trains. They take profits from these which should be going towards the railway. Franchises are stupid. The people running the trains, fixing them and the actual trains all stay the same they just have a different uniform or vinyl transfer every 5 years - which we pay for! More users on rail is because of demand. Demand as most higher paying jobs are now in cities. And people cant afford to live there so they commute. This is growth. Growth that Jeremy wants to increase by building more railway. It's about making big business pay more to the majority of their staff by cutting off all the loop holes and get outs, as they won't do it otherwise. Look at the numbers and reasons for yourself. It's economics for a country, not for the 5% like they keep ramming down your neck via papers and TV.
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Post by salopstick on May 17, 2017 15:34:05 GMT
The libs want to legalise but more importantly TAX cannabis no repeal on tutition fees
So basically those that can't afford to go to uni will get fucked over their bit of hash
And surprise surprise a second referendum on Brexit
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