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Post by salopstick on May 16, 2017 18:44:18 GMT
all costed Who pays extra corporation tax? Us In higher prices Us in wages squeezes Us in lower returns on pensions And that is from John Mcternan a former Labour Party advisor. There is no pot of money you can just go and raid. We will all end up paying. And that's with out the uncosted privatisation program.
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Post by harryburrows on May 16, 2017 18:49:13 GMT
all costed Who pays extra corporation tax? Us In higher prices Us in wages squeezes Us in lower returns on pensions And that is from John Mcternan a former Labour Party advisor. There is no pot of money you can just go and raid. We will all end up paying. And that's with out the uncosted privatisation program. Hey made did you forget the billions in profits from the new British rail
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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 18:53:33 GMT
all costed Who pays extra corporation tax? Us In higher prices Us in wages squeezes Us in lower returns on pensions And that is from John Mcternan a former Labour Party advisor. There is no pot of money you can just go and raid. We will all end up paying. And that's with out the uncosted privatisation program. I thought the Tories would be really in favour of privatisation gives them another set of companies to sell off cheap to there mates in the city (like Lloyds today) One of there advisers even admitted tonight that when he was consultant on the water sell off that the British public were ripped off You cant trust a tory!! the conservatives putting the con in politics!
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 16, 2017 18:55:44 GMT
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Post by salopstick on May 16, 2017 19:28:47 GMT
Probably about as biased as the telegraphs coverage of jezza
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 16, 2017 19:36:53 GMT
all costed That's all well and good, until we are paying through the nose for Labour/Corbyns socialist utopia, where everything is owned by the state and people are paying for services such as trains not once, but twice. But it wont all fall apart for maybe a year or two, until individuals and companies with money finally decide to leave, losing revenue and jobs, thus creating more pressure on the state, who will then proceed to borrow more and more until we go bust. Socialism doesn't work people, it punishes those (particularly those from working class backgrounds who actually have a work ethic) who do well for themselves and allows the laziest and most feckless people to milk the system so they can afford their fags, booze and gadgets. If theres not enough money to buy food after spending all these essentials, they can cry poverty at the local food bank. Done by raising taxes to lower than those under Thatcher. Take a good look at the key points and explain to me why anyone could find them difficult to support. Most of your response is reading like something out of the daily mail.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 16, 2017 19:38:02 GMT
all costed Who pays extra corporation tax? Us In higher prices Us in wages squeezes Us in lower returns on pensions And that is from John Mcternan a former Labour Party advisor. There is no pot of money you can just go and raid. We will all end up paying. And that's with out the uncosted privatisation program. No you won't. Open your eyes.
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Post by salopstick on May 16, 2017 19:39:56 GMT
Who pays extra corporation tax? Us In higher prices Us in wages squeezes Us in lower returns on pensions And that is from John Mcternan a former Labour Party advisor. There is no pot of money you can just go and raid. We will all end up paying. And that's with out the uncosted privatisation program. No you won't. Open your eyes. My eyes are open. Do you really believe corporations won't transfer their liability to prices and wages. You are not that naive
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 16, 2017 19:41:54 GMT
Who pays extra corporation tax? Us In higher prices Us in wages squeezes Us in lower returns on pensions And that is from John Mcternan a former Labour Party advisor. There is no pot of money you can just go and raid. We will all end up paying. And that's with out the uncosted privatisation program. Hey made did you forget the billions in profits from the new British rail No let's keep sending subsidies and profits to the French, Dutch AND German governments who own our railways and buses Harry. Stupidity and ignorance are alive and well on the oatcake eh?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 16, 2017 19:44:16 GMT
No you won't. Open your eyes. My eyes are open. Do you really believe corporations won't transfer their liability to prices and wages. You are not that naive No more than normal no. How much more money do these "corporations" need?
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Post by salopstick on May 16, 2017 19:45:01 GMT
My eyes are open. Do you really believe corporations won't transfer their liability to prices and wages. You are not that naive No more than normal no. How much more money do these "corporations" need? Enough to pay their new tax liabilities Open your eyes
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Post by Northy on May 16, 2017 20:04:49 GMT
No! Jeremy would turn it into wine and give it to the poor! Chicken May would add red colouring pretend it is wine and give it to the D.W.P. to give in lieu of benefits! The poor you mean those who live in a million pound house in Islington and earn 137k a year as Jeremy doesn't consider himself well off. the same jeremy that grew up in a 7 bedroom house and went to grammar and top private schools ?
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Post by harryburrows on May 16, 2017 20:14:00 GMT
Hey made did you forget the billions in profits from the new British rail No let's keep sending subsidies and profits to the French, Dutch AND German governments who own our railways and buses Harry. Stupidity and ignorance are alive and well on the oatcake eh? Oh sorry mate , didn't realise you actually thought it was a good idea
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 20:17:49 GMT
all costed Where are the free unicorns, it's not costed because you use a report from 2011 or use private fucking eye as a source. Dan Hodges listed the make believe sources for all these on his Twitter feed some of the better ones are laughable. What's not there is the 300 billion to end retirement age increases, 250 billion or is it 500 billion of borrowing for the nationalisations and the national investment bank, the interest on this borrowing or the 52 billion of savings or extra tax they need to eliminate the deficit. All irrelevant anyway Len has said Jeremy's target to remain leader is 200 seats, they've given up actually winning.
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 20:18:43 GMT
The poor you mean those who live in a million pound house in Islington and earn 137k a year as Jeremy doesn't consider himself well off. the same jeremy that grew up in a 7 bedroom house and went to grammar and top private schools ? That's the one as did his commie advisors.
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Post by salopstick on May 16, 2017 21:23:30 GMT
Chairman Mao did more good than harm 7 mins in
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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 21:26:09 GMT
2.7%
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 16, 2017 21:32:37 GMT
Can Labour not just pay for their new policies the same way Brexit is going to be paid for - by everyone simply believing it's a good idea.
Job done.
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Post by crapslinger on May 16, 2017 21:42:41 GMT
Hey made did you forget the billions in profits from the new British rail No let's keep sending subsidies and profits to the French, Dutch AND German governments who own our railways and buses Harry. Stupidity and ignorance are alive and well on the oatcake eh? Hello Paul ! , do you think Jezza will be our next PM ?, six times I have asked you now come on man grow a pair back your hero, look at what Sir Nige achieved and he was not even an MP, after all he is a man of principal like yourself no doubt, like Sir Nige he could achieve the unthinkable don't you think ?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 21:51:43 GMT
all costed Where are the free unicorns, it's not costed because you use a report from 2011 or use private fucking eye as a source. Dan Hodges listed the make believe sources for all these on his Twitter feed some of the better ones are laughable. What's not there is the 300 billion to end retirement age increases, 250 billion or is it 500 billion of borrowing for the nationalisations and the national investment bank, the interest on this borrowing or the 52 billion of savings or extra tax they need to eliminate the deficit. All irrelevant anyway Len has said Jeremy's target to remain leader is 200 seats, they've given up actually winning. Labour will not reach 200 seats. Lump on.
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 22:15:37 GMT
No I think Jeremy is still at 25% give him 3 more weeks and it might be 2.7%
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 22:22:56 GMT
Where are the free unicorns, it's not costed because you use a report from 2011 or use private fucking eye as a source. Dan Hodges listed the make believe sources for all these on his Twitter feed some of the better ones are laughable. What's not there is the 300 billion to end retirement age increases, 250 billion or is it 500 billion of borrowing for the nationalisations and the national investment bank, the interest on this borrowing or the 52 billion of savings or extra tax they need to eliminate the deficit. All irrelevant anyway Len has said Jeremy's target to remain leader is 200 seats, they've given up actually winning. Labour will not reach 200 seats. Lump on. I'd agree unless Dianne Abbott is counting, I reckon they'll lose 40 plus.
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Post by partickpotter on May 17, 2017 5:40:36 GMT
You don't grow an economy through taxation.
In fact, taxation eventually becomes an inhibitor to economic growth.
Genuine question - does Labour have a plan for growing the economy?
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Post by salopstick on May 17, 2017 5:56:31 GMT
You don't grow an economy through taxation. In fact, taxation eventually becomes an inhibitor to economic growth. Genuine question - does Labour have a plan for growing the economy? They don't want to grow the economy. It's about making people more equal by bringing the top down as opposed to raising the bottom up
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Post by Northy on May 17, 2017 6:05:09 GMT
quite disappointed the pirate party arent in Tatton this time, at least Esther Mcvey is more pleasing on the eye than George Osborne, and we do have an alternative as an independent, although the last one we had, Mr white suit Martin Bell was pretty useless. www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000987
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Post by partickpotter on May 17, 2017 6:14:10 GMT
You don't grow an economy through taxation. In fact, taxation eventually becomes an inhibitor to economic growth. Genuine question - does Labour have a plan for growing the economy? They don't want to grow the economy. It's about making people more equal by bringing the top down as opposed to raising the bottom up Let's not make suppositions. As I said, it's a genuine question. We know Labour's position on tax. I would like to know what they plan to do about growing the economy. Responses from labour supporters please.
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Post by salopstick on May 17, 2017 6:27:24 GMT
They don't want to grow the economy. It's about making people more equal by bringing the top down as opposed to raising the bottom up Let's not make suppositions. As I said, it's a genuine question. We know Labour's position on tax. I would like to know what they plan to do about growing the economy. Responses from labour supporters please. To be hair although I am being facetious all I keep hearing is tax the rich, raise corporation tax etc. Nothing else. As was explained last night corporation tax rises will be passed to the majority of us, meaning less money and in turn less investment Hardly the place to start growing
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Post by harryburrows on May 17, 2017 6:38:41 GMT
Let's not make suppositions. As I said, it's a genuine question. We know Labour's position on tax. I would like to know what they plan to do about growing the economy. Responses from labour supporters please. To be hair although I am being facetious all I keep hearing is tax the rich, raise corporation tax etc. Nothing else. As was explained last night corporation tax rises will be passed to the majority of us, meaning less money and in turn less investment Hardly the place to start growing Labour uses higher rate taxation as a form of punishment
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 17, 2017 7:32:55 GMT
I do believe that some in the Labour Party genuinely would like to see a fairer society. Alongside democracy ( Brexit, electoral reform, HofL abolition ), giving hope to the young( real job creation, removal of student loans, zero hour contracts, and genuine skill training), over population, the funding of an unaffordable health service, culture clash, I see the division between the rich and poor to be one of the major issues we have today. It is not simply a division between the lazy and the hardworkers.The system, including high unemployment ( which is why young people are effectively required to go to school until they are 21) does not make it easy to be entrepreneurial, aspirational....Globalisation and multinationals make it hard to open an independent cafe in a town with Costas and McDonald's etc. Personally ( and I am aware that some posters of my age would vehemently disagree with me on this ) I would like to see public ownership of the Utilities......I realise the problems of the 70s and 80s, my father was a miner for 46 years and I was a Policeman, interesting times..... ..I don't know the answer ....but that is the challenge for Labour ...to come up with a vision that is not " same old, same old"....which their manifesto seems to be....I am sire that some sort if model can be developed in the modern era with workers in the board , and " conditions, culture" that means that they either could not strike or it would be unethical to do so.....nurses COULD Not have an all out strike.....many might say that this is our in the sky Corbynesque cloud cuckoo land....BUT we have major problems in this country and we need to think outside the box, perhaps a model in which bosses and workers should work MUCH closer together in a daily basis, and perhaps with some interchangeable roles , in this age in which everyone is a graduate. On a basic level in my opinion it is irrelevant what they are saying because of 3 main issues....wring in Brexit, an ineffectual weak leader with too much baggage to succeed ( perceived by many, particularly when considered on a world stage, even if some want to believe that this is media driven....a well meaning man though) and completely polarised divided party.
Other than the major mistake of misjudging Brexit, Labour have lost it , irrespective of the manifesto, because....they have taken their traditional base for granted , particularly the white working class. They have tried to collude with them instead of presenting the reality and hope that hard work can pay. Brexit was the watershed that highlighted that Labour was out of touch ....the plans had a chance to have a say, and this time you have to listen. If the working class wanted to talk about their concerns with identity and culture clash, which is visible and real in their communities , they were dismissed as " racist". In stead of listening Labour behaved like any authoritarian bosses" we know best, we will tell you what to think, do as you are told and we will give you an extra couple of quid, but vote for us". Labour have also been unable or unwilling to address the issue of those who chose disability as a lifestyle choice.....this really angers their fellow neighbours , but Labour are oblivious to this. A small issue fir some of the London intelligentsia but PC conformity has made it impossible to address traveller cultural incompatibilities, rather than address this by strongly asserting and acknowledging the rights of the majority ( which the working class would like) Labour would rather talk about minority rights....does not matter if those rights are suspect.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 17, 2017 8:14:15 GMT
all costed Who pays extra corporation tax? Us In higher prices Us in wages squeezes Us in lower returns on pensions And that is from John Mcternan a former Labour Party advisor. There is no pot of money you can just go and raid. We will all end up paying. And that's with out the uncosted privatisation program. Perhaps, we can raid the same pot that pays for your platinum plated wages and platinum plated pensions? That's one pot that is always full and over brimming!
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