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Post by followyoudown on May 15, 2017 16:57:08 GMT
No off mic comments calling her names like Brown, no booing of her by supporters like Corbyn's when anyone asks a question they don't like and no security keeping her away like the retired soldier was kept away from Corbyn. Labour canvassers have a new code for recording ex voters and the reason why they won't be voting Labour - guess what DLJ stands for
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Post by essexstokey on May 15, 2017 17:05:42 GMT
I have a learning disability and I have disability benefits. Like Cathy, many people with a learning disability are scared of changes to their disability benefits and are understandably angry. I was really worried to hear Theresa May keep talking about mental health, when Cathy said she has a learning disability, which is not anything to do with mental health. That makes me think that Theresa May is unclear on the difference, and that is very worrying."
Ismail Kaji Parliamentary affairs support officer, Mencap
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Post by essexstokey on May 15, 2017 17:11:48 GMT
May swerves on free bus passes
Theresa May doesn't answer a Facebook question about whether she will get rid of bus passes for the elderly and the disabled. The Sun's political editor is one of those who, like us, thought that sounded like a hint of change coming:
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Post by essexstokey on May 15, 2017 17:14:10 GMT
Labour's Sir Keir Starmer has dismissed as an "obvious gimmick" Theresa May's pledge to give workers a new deal. The shadow Brexit secretary says:
Hers is the government that introduced fees for employment tribunals so even the rights that are already there can't be enforced unless you have got the money to go to a tribunal."
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 15, 2017 18:20:39 GMT
The problem with Labour is guys like this one.
Labour are doing well in the polls..... Corbyn's popularity has risen.... it's a rigged system..... Conservative billionaires are funding the MSM.... the Conservatives are "shitting themselves"
Post truth, delusional nonsense. I'm biased but I'm beginning to think that an absolute party damaging landslide is the only way for the message to get through. A hard re-boot of the Labour party, SNP, UKIP etc to clean the slate of all of this cobblers. I think the denial is actually damaging to democracy.
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Post by josh on May 15, 2017 19:34:18 GMT
They've also raised VAT from 17.5% to 20% Insurance premium tax from 6% to 12% This effects people on lower wages even more than anyone else as they only have a limited amount of money and very little disposable income. Tories have also changed how the second state or contracted out pension contributions have been worked out. Meaning even if you've worked for 40 years paying a stamp you will not be entitled to the full state pension unless you cough up a big lump sum or work until you're 70 odd. Great if you are due to retire anytime soon, eh? Anyone with a private or company pension should check this out as it's a shitter to get to the finish line and get punched in the dick. All this while rigging the system to benefit themselves. What a lovely bunch of people they are. The impact of the VAT increase is about £18 on every £1,000 of expenditure that is vatable, the biggest expense for most people rent or mortgage is not variable. Insurance tax increase would be £150 on £2,500 Of insurance. Whichever way you want to cut the lower paid are undoubtedly better off. Rent is far from not variable. As cost of living prices goes up for everyone, landlords will pass on costs to the renter. Prices have gone up. Your link doesn't take in to account NI. You also have rising fuel and energy prices. People still need to pay to heat their house and get to work. Inflation has pushed up the cost of living while minimum wage increases were on average 2% of fuck all. People are also being told to take a work place pension, which is a good thing. But when you are on low pay, losing 5% of your wage is a lot to give up. The poor are no way better off under a Tory government.
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Post by followyoudown on May 15, 2017 20:02:53 GMT
The impact of the VAT increase is about £18 on every £1,000 of expenditure that is vatable, the biggest expense for most people rent or mortgage is not variable. Insurance tax increase would be £150 on £2,500 Of insurance. Whichever way you want to cut the lower paid are undoubtedly better off. Rent is far from not variable. As cost of living prices goes up for everyone, landlords will pass on costs to the renter. Prices have gone up. Your link doesn't take in to account NI. You also have rising fuel and energy prices. People still need to pay to heat their house and get to work. Inflation has pushed up the cost of living while minimum wage increases were on average 2% of fuck all. People are also being told to take a work place pension, which is a good thing. But when you are on low pay, losing 5% of your wage is a lot to give up. The poor are no way better off under a Tory government. That was meant to be vatable not variable in relation to rent damned autocorrect. All these things you mention happen under any government, we'll have to agree to disagree but the fact that those on minimum wage have seen an overall rise in after tax income of 34% under the Tories is not the poor getting poorer.
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Post by josh on May 15, 2017 20:56:07 GMT
Rent is far from not variable. As cost of living prices goes up for everyone, landlords will pass on costs to the renter. Prices have gone up. Your link doesn't take in to account NI. You also have rising fuel and energy prices. People still need to pay to heat their house and get to work. Inflation has pushed up the cost of living while minimum wage increases were on average 2% of fuck all. People are also being told to take a work place pension, which is a good thing. But when you are on low pay, losing 5% of your wage is a lot to give up. The poor are no way better off under a Tory government. That was meant to be vatable not variable in relation to rent damned autocorrect. All these things you mention happen under any government, we'll have to agree to disagree but the fact that those on minimum wage have seen an overall rise in after tax income of 34% under the Tories is not the poor getting poorer. Of course these things do, but the government can help out who it effects most if they want to. The torys don't. I real terms the poor are worse off. If they get back in to power we will all be paying higher income tax and NI. The only reason the self employed weren't picked on this time round was because it would be bad for votes before an election. They've already said they aren't committing to no tax rises, which means expect tax rises. No tax rises used to buy most people out so they would vote for them and ignore the agenda of the conservative party. Why anyone would vote for them now is beyond me.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 15, 2017 21:11:35 GMT
That was meant to be vatable not variable in relation to rent damned autocorrect. All these things you mention happen under any government, we'll have to agree to disagree but the fact that those on minimum wage have seen an overall rise in after tax income of 34% under the Tories is not the poor getting poorer. Of course these things do, but the government can help out who it effects most if they want to. The torys don't. I real terms the poor are worse off. If they get back in to power we will all be paying higher income tax and NI. The only reason the self employed weren't picked on this time round was because it would be bad for votes before an election. They've already said they aren't committing to no tax rises, which means expect tax rises. No tax rises used to buy most people out so they would vote for them and ignore the agenda of the conservative party. Why anyone would vote for them now is beyond me. You're correct about state intervention and the measure of that is the difference between May and Corbo. Blue and Red. Was always thus.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 15, 2017 21:38:07 GMT
Labour to Nationalise water.
Remember them. The Water Board :-)
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Post by josh on May 15, 2017 22:30:11 GMT
It is unless it involves the banks. It's socialism for their mates at the banks and capitalism for everyone else. Even though they caused the financial crisis.
Privatising a monopoly market in the first place doesn't make sense. No competition, big dividend pay outs taking money away from repair works etc. It's a utility that everyone requires, not a cash cow to make people rich.
Capitalism is good when it is used to better society. Right now though, money is God and fuck everyone and everything else.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 15, 2017 22:48:22 GMT
Best odds you can get for the Tories to get most seats is 1/33. This was 1/20 the other day.
I'm not sure quite how the odds have shortened so much. May has been absolutely woeful since the calling of the election and Corbyn, aside from the odd couple of fuck ups has gone from strength to strength. Today was a great day for him. That sneaky question on that Peston interview was a masterstroke.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 15, 2017 22:51:48 GMT
Capitalism always benefits society.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 15, 2017 22:54:23 GMT
Capitalism always benefits society. Please feel free to explain how.
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Post by followyoudown on May 15, 2017 22:59:08 GMT
Best odds you can get for the Tories to get most seats is 1/33. This was 1/20 the other day. I'm not sure quite how the odds have shortened so much. May has been absolutely woeful since the calling of the election and Corbyn, aside from the odd couple of fuck ups has gone from strength to strength. Today was a great day for him. That sneaky question on that Peston interview was a masterstroke. Because about a week ago he stopped any half arsed attempt at running a campaign to be PM and instead started his campaign for the next Labour leadership election. Today he was in hebden bridge Tory majority nearly 5,000 for the sole reason that it has a high percentage of Labour members.
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Post by followyoudown on May 15, 2017 23:03:14 GMT
It is unless it involves the banks. It's socialism for their mates at the banks and capitalism for everyone else. Even though they caused the financial crisis. Privatising a monopoly market in the first place doesn't make sense. No competition, big dividend pay outs taking money away from repair works etc. It's a utility that everyone requires, not a cash cow to make people rich. Capitalism is good when it is used to better society. Right now though, money is God and fuck everyone and everything else. It was Labour who nationalised the banks after not properly regulating them.......
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Post by followyoudown on May 15, 2017 23:09:20 GMT
That was meant to be vatable not variable in relation to rent damned autocorrect. All these things you mention happen under any government, we'll have to agree to disagree but the fact that those on minimum wage have seen an overall rise in after tax income of 34% under the Tories is not the poor getting poorer. Of course these things do, but the government can help out who it effects most if they want to. The torys don't. I real terms the poor are worse off. If they get back in to power we will all be paying higher income tax and NI. The only reason the self employed weren't picked on this time round was because it would be bad for votes before an election. They've already said they aren't committing to no tax rises, which means expect tax rises. No tax rises used to buy most people out so they would vote for them and ignore the agenda of the conservative party. Why anyone would vote for them now is beyond me. I can help you with why people are going to vote Tory it literally is as easy as ABC - anyone but Corbyn. Something about the IRA and Hamas sympathiserjust doesn't appeal to the public, that along with the fact that the only thing he's ran successfully in his life is a bath....
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Post by Mendicant on May 16, 2017 5:34:46 GMT
Of course these things do, but the government can help out who it effects most if they want to. The torys don't. I real terms the poor are worse off. If they get back in to power we will all be paying higher income tax and NI. The only reason the self employed weren't picked on this time round was because it would be bad for votes before an election. They've already said they aren't committing to no tax rises, which means expect tax rises. No tax rises used to buy most people out so they would vote for them and ignore the agenda of the conservative party. Why anyone would vote for them now is beyond me. I can help you with why people are going to vote Tory it literally is as easy as ABC - anyone but Corbyn. Something about the IRA and Hamas sympathiserjust doesn't appeal to the public, that along with the fact that the only thing he's ran successfully in his life is a bath.... And even then privatised water came out of the taps in his bathroom.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 5:42:21 GMT
It'll be like a Maths GCSE exam today going through Labour's manifesto.
Either that or just Tax = Spend.
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Post by partickpotter on May 16, 2017 5:54:19 GMT
It'll be like a Maths GCSE exam today going through Labour's manifesto. Either that or just Tax = Spend. Tax and spend. The economics of left wing student politics. Naive and ignorant. Increased rates of taxation does not always equal increased revenue. The economic consequence of Labour's manifesto will be the destruction of the U.K. Economy meaning ever reducing tax revenue and less spend. We've seen it before in the 1970s which is where the Labour Party is heading.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 6:24:54 GMT
Of course these things do, but the government can help out who it effects most if they want to. The torys don't. I real terms the poor are worse off. If they get back in to power we will all be paying higher income tax and NI. The only reason the self employed weren't picked on this time round was because it would be bad for votes before an election. They've already said they aren't committing to no tax rises, which means expect tax rises. No tax rises used to buy most people out so they would vote for them and ignore the agenda of the conservative party. Why anyone would vote for them now is beyond me. I can help you with why people are going to vote Tory it literally is as easy as ABC - anyone but Corbyn. Something about the IRA and Hamas sympathiserjust doesn't appeal to the public, that along with the fact that the only thing he's ran successfully in his life is a bath.... Yes, ABC..Anyone but ChickenMay! See the coward was taken to task by a member of the public in Abingdon! You can see why the Tories are hiding her away!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 6:29:04 GMT
It'll be like a Maths GCSE exam today going through Labour's manifesto. Either that or just Tax = Spend. Living with the Tories has been: Austerity = Borrow = Spending on the professional middle classes You don't need to to take an exam just common sense to see how the Tories run the economy!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 6:43:11 GMT
It'll be like a Maths GCSE exam today going through Labour's manifesto. Either that or just Tax = Spend. Living with the Tories has been: Austerity = Borrow = Spending on the professional middle classes You don't need to to take an exam just common sense to see how the Tories run the economy! Imagine where we'd be without austerity? From the "There's no money left note" to an election victory in the most difficult of times. Common sense indeed.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 6:48:08 GMT
They've also raised VAT from 17.5% to 20% Insurance premium tax from 6% to 12% This effects people on lower wages even more than anyone else as they only have a limited amount of money and very little disposable income. Tories have also changed how the second state or contracted out pension contributions have been worked out. Meaning even if you've worked for 40 years paying a stamp you will not be entitled to the full state pension unless you cough up a big lump sum or work until you're 70 odd. Great if you are due to retire anytime soon, eh? Anyone with a private or company pension should check this out as it's a shitter to get to the finish line and get punched in the dick. All this while rigging the system to benefit themselves. What a lovely bunch of people they are. The impact of the VAT increase is about £18 on every £1,000 of expenditure that is vatable, the biggest expense for most people rent or mortgage is not variable. Insurance tax increase would be £150 on £2,500 Of insurance. Whichever way you want to cut the lower paid are undoubtedly better off. "Our projections suggest that, if the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) are correct about the outlook for employment, earnings and inflation, there will be no real growth in median income over the next two years, and only modest growth thereafter. This would leave incomes in 2021-22 more than 15% below where we might have expected before the financial crisis hit, based on historical growth rates – equivalent to over £5,000 per household per year on average. 5. We also project increases in inequality: both because forecast growth in average real earnings would benefit higher income households more than lower income ones, and because cuts in the real value of benefits will reduce incomes among poorer working age households. Real incomes are projected to fall among the poorest 20% of households over the next five years, with households with children being particularly affected." I.F.S. The Tories are targeting the poorest with deliberate benefits aimed at them. As usual follow' is lying! He also doesn't mention that employees of B.H.S,Austin Reed, Comet and now Jaeger won't see any of the gains in the increase of the minimum wage for one obvious reason! They don't work anymore!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 6:53:09 GMT
Living with the Tories has been: Austerity = Borrow = Spending on the professional middle classes You don't need to to take an exam just common sense to see how the Tories run the economy! Imagine where we'd be without austerity? From the "There's no money left note" to an election victory in the most difficult of times. Common sense indeed. There's a massive difference between nothing to spend and the borrowing binge you Tories have gone on! Every forecast on borrowing wrong on scale and timing! A scale that could get much worse as we enter"choppy waters" which a Tory said not Labour!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 7:19:49 GMT
McDonut on Radio 4 now. Was there to discuss a "fully costed" manifesto.
Robinson: How much would nationalising the water companies cost? McDonut: We don't want to commit to pricing at the moment.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 7:22:43 GMT
McDonut on Radio 4 now. Was there to discuss a "fully costed" manifesto. Robinson: How much would nationalising the water companies cost? McDonut: We don't want to commit to pricing at the moment. Should be cheap as the privatised nationalised companies sold off all their prime assets to fill the boots of the shareholders!
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 7:28:59 GMT
McDonut on Radio 4 now. Was there to discuss a "fully costed" manifesto. Robinson: How much would nationalising the water companies cost? McDonut: We don't want to commit to pricing at the moment. At least with water they have a plan, Jeremy will turn it into wine and they will sell it at a profit***** ***** For Nicholas Please note this is a joke and isn't actually in the manifesto although it is as believable as some policies that are
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 7:37:09 GMT
McDonut on Radio 4 now. Was there to discuss a "fully costed" manifesto. Robinson: How much would nationalising the water companies cost? McDonut: We don't want to commit to pricing at the moment. At least with water they have a plan, Jeremy will turn it into wine and they will sell it at a profit***** ***** For Nicholas Please note this is a joke and isn't actually in the manifesto although it is as believable as some policies that are No! Jeremy would turn it into wine and give it to the poor! Chicken May would add red colouring pretend it is wine and give it to the D.W.P. to give in lieu of benefits!
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 7:48:44 GMT
The impact of the VAT increase is about £18 on every £1,000 of expenditure that is vatable, the biggest expense for most people rent or mortgage is not variable. Insurance tax increase would be £150 on £2,500 Of insurance. Whichever way you want to cut the lower paid are undoubtedly better off. "Our projections suggest that, if the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) are correct about the outlook for employment, earnings and inflation, there will be no real growth in median income over the next two years, and only modest growth thereafter. This would leave incomes in 2021-22 more than 15% below where we might have expected before the financial crisis hit, based on historical growth rates – equivalent to over £5,000 per household per year on average. 5. We also project increases in inequality: both because forecast growth in average real earnings would benefit higher income households more than lower income ones, and because cuts in the real value of benefits will reduce incomes among poorer working age households. Real incomes are projected to fall among the poorest 20% of households over the next five years, with households with children being particularly affected." I.F.S. The Tories are targeting the poorest with deliberate benefits aimed at them. As usual follow' is lying! He also doesn't mention that employees of B.H.S,Austin Reed, Comet and now Jaeger won't see any of the gains in the increase of the minimum wage for one obvious reason! They don't work anymore! Employment figures suggest otherwise and your proof is a forecast for 5 years time from the same source that told us a punishment budget would be needed the day after brexit and you are presenting that as fact It's a fact take home pay has increased by 34% for those on minimum wage under the Tories.
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