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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 7:50:53 GMT
At least with water they have a plan, Jeremy will turn it into wine and they will sell it at a profit***** ***** For Nicholas Please note this is a joke and isn't actually in the manifesto although it is as believable as some policies that are No! Jeremy would turn it into wine and give it to the poor! Chicken May would add red colouring pretend it is wine and give it to the D.W.P. to give in lieu of benefits! The poor you mean those who live in a million pound house in Islington and earn 137k a year as Jeremy doesn't consider himself well off.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 8:00:01 GMT
McDonut on Radio 4 now. Was there to discuss a "fully costed" manifesto. Robinson: How much would nationalising the water companies cost? McDonut: We don't want to commit to pricing at the moment. Should be cheap as the privatised nationalised companies sold off all their prime assets to fill the boots of the shareholders! Yeah right. Robinson comments that Thames water is about 10 billion and another collection of companies are about 17 billion. McDonut said a price could be set through Parliament or a bond for shares swap deal.
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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 8:00:26 GMT
Living with the Tories has been: Austerity = Borrow = Spending on the professional middle classes You don't need to to take an exam just common sense to see how the Tories run the economy! Imagine where we'd be without austerity? From the "There's no money left note" to an election victory in the most difficult of times. Common sense indeed. Actually in a better position than we are now the Tories cut back on public spending has lead to a slow down in the economy which has had a detrimental effect on the amount of income that has come into the exchequer this has resulted in an increase of nearly double the national debt under the Tories and what have we got to show for it if they had invested in the infrastructure like some of the Economists wanted then although in the short term the national debt would have gone up the longer term benefits would mean the economy was stronger and more tax revenue would be coming in to offset the initial expenditure for each £1 spent it has a multiplier effect as it is then spent by the workers down the line and so on
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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 8:07:20 GMT
Capitalism always benefits society. Not necessarily you only have to look at what capitalism has done to stoke on Trent and the pottery industry to see what capitalism has done the companies are more interested in profit and not the workers as labour, raw materials. Location etc influence the business then by moving the company to an area of cheap resources can lead to areas like stoke or wales being left with high unemployment and a deprived area SO capitalism does not always benefit society
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 8:11:23 GMT
"Our projections suggest that, if the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) are correct about the outlook for employment, earnings and inflation, there will be no real growth in median income over the next two years, and only modest growth thereafter. This would leave incomes in 2021-22 more than 15% below where we might have expected before the financial crisis hit, based on historical growth rates – equivalent to over £5,000 per household per year on average. 5. We also project increases in inequality: both because forecast growth in average real earnings would benefit higher income households more than lower income ones, and because cuts in the real value of benefits will reduce incomes among poorer working age households. Real incomes are projected to fall among the poorest 20% of households over the next five years, with households with children being particularly affected." I.F.S. The Tories are targeting the poorest with deliberate benefits aimed at them. As usual follow' is lying! He also doesn't mention that employees of B.H.S,Austin Reed, Comet and now Jaeger won't see any of the gains in the increase of the minimum wage for one obvious reason! They don't work anymore! Employment figures suggest otherwise and your proof is a forecast for 5 years time from the same source that told us a punishment budget would be needed the day after brexit and you are presenting that as fact It's a fact take home pay has increased by 34% for those on minimum wage under the Tories. But that's been offset by inflation, benefit cuts and for some unemployment! Child poverty is massively increasing so your rosy picture isn't the reality!
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 8:15:01 GMT
Imagine where we'd be without austerity? From the "There's no money left note" to an election victory in the most difficult of times. Common sense indeed. Actually in a better position than we are now the Tories cut back on public spending has lead to a slow down in the economy which has had a detrimental effect on the amount of income that has come into the exchequer this has resulted in an increase of nearly double the national debt under the Tories and what have we got to show for it if they had invested in the infrastructure like some of the Economists wanted then although in the short term the national debt would have gone up the longer term benefits would mean the economy was stronger and more tax revenue would be coming in to offset the initial expenditure for each £1 spent it has a multiplier effect as it is then spent by the workers down the line and so on Christ on a bike with economic insight like that you really are Ed Milliband.
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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 8:24:47 GMT
Employment figures suggest otherwise and your proof is a forecast for 5 years time from the same source that told us a punishment budget would be needed the day after brexit and you are presenting that as fact It's a fact take home pay has increased by 34% for those on minimum wage under the Tories. But that's been offset by inflation, benefit cuts and for some unemployment! Child poverty is massively increasing so your rosy picture isn't the reality! Don't forget the foodbanks, more homeless, the increase in the so called minimum wage together with the reduction in benefits for working people has actually led to a decline in the income of those at the lower end of the scale as by raising the minimum wage by the small amount they did took a lot of people out of the benefit system and resulted in some cutting back hours or quitting there job to make ends meet. The other thing is that unemployment figures can be manipulated for example how you define unemployment leads to fewer on the register and before you say anything all parties/ governments do it, it depends on how you look at it as they say there's lies dam lies and statistics. But there's one thing that's always true you can never trust the Tories
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 8:25:25 GMT
Actually in a better position than we are now the Tories cut back on public spending has lead to a slow down in the economy which has had a detrimental effect on the amount of income that has come into the exchequer this has resulted in an increase of nearly double the national debt under the Tories and what have we got to show for it if they had invested in the infrastructure like some of the Economists wanted then although in the short term the national debt would have gone up the longer term benefits would mean the economy was stronger and more tax revenue would be coming in to offset the initial expenditure for each £1 spent it has a multiplier effect as it is then spent by the workers down the line and so on Christ on a bike with economic insight like that you really are Ed Milliband. Here's the figures for Newcastle and Stoke regarding 'follow's' bragging about the poorest doing so well under the Tories regarding child poverty: N-u-L(all figures after housing costs) and for December 2015: 4,083 23.9% S-o-T North: 7,654 32.9% S-o-T Central: 6.594 35.9% S-o-T South: 6,071 29.3% And the figures projected, after future Tory benefit cuts, to get much, much worse! Nothing to boast or brag about here!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 8:35:47 GMT
Imagine where we'd be without austerity? From the "There's no money left note" to an election victory in the most difficult of times. Common sense indeed. Actually in a better position than we are now the Tories cut back on public spending has lead to a slow down in the economy which has had a detrimental effect on the amount of income that has come into the exchequer this has resulted in an increase of nearly double the national debt under the Tories and what have we got to show for it if they had invested in the infrastructure like some of the Economists wanted then although in the short term the national debt would have gone up the longer term benefits would mean the economy was stronger and more tax revenue would be coming in to offset the initial expenditure for each £1 spent it has a multiplier effect as it is then spent by the workers down the line and so on When has the economy slowed down? Compared to what rate? In able to "invest in the infrastructure" Labour are proposing to borrow 500 billion pounds. 250 billion that somehow appears when they 'create' a National Bank and another 250 billion from the private sector who will be looking for guaranteed returns.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 8:42:29 GMT
Capitalism always benefits society. Not necessarily you only have to look at what capitalism has done to stoke on Trent and the pottery industry to see what capitalism has done the companies are more interested in profit and not the workers as labour, raw materials. Location etc influence the business then by moving the company to an area of cheap resources can lead to areas like stoke or wales being left with high unemployment and a deprived area SO capitalism does not always benefit society Capitalism built Stoke on Trent.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 8:58:32 GMT
General Secretary of the TUC being very positive about Theresa May's pledge on workers rights.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 9:08:07 GMT
General Secretary of the TUC being very positive about Theresa May's pledge on workers rights. Frances Grady has also said: "Commenting on the latest inflation figures published today (Tuesday) by the Office for National Statistics – which show CPI inflation has risen to 2.7% and overtaken wage growth – TUC General Secretary Frances O’Grady said: “The last thing Britain needs is another real wage slump. But rising prices are hammering pay packets. “Working people are still £20 a week off worse, on average, than they were before the crash. That’s why living standards must be a key battleground at this election.""
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 9:08:44 GMT
John McDonnell calling for an illegal General Strike tells Labour MP's "stop fiddling your expenses and stand with us" It's like he deliberately wants to decimate the Labour party so the vast majority of MP's defect allowing him and Corbo to go on demos at weekends in their retirement.
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Post by josh on May 16, 2017 9:08:47 GMT
It is unless it involves the banks. It's socialism for their mates at the banks and capitalism for everyone else. Even though they caused the financial crisis. Privatising a monopoly market in the first place doesn't make sense. No competition, big dividend pay outs taking money away from repair works etc. It's a utility that everyone requires, not a cash cow to make people rich. Capitalism is good when it is used to better society. Right now though, money is God and fuck everyone and everything else. It was Labour who nationalised the banks after not properly regulating them....... I'm on about the billions of quantitive easing given to the banks to continue mugging the public off. If they were true tories they would of let them fail. That is capitalism. Giving them made up money is not.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 9:12:10 GMT
John McDonnell calling for an illegal General Strike tells Labour MP's "stop fiddling your expenses and stand with us" It's like he deliberately wants to decimate the Labour party so the vast majority of MP's defect allowing him and Corbo to go on demos at weekends in their retirement. From 'The Sun' regarding a speech in 2009. Glad to see you're living up to your soubriquet 'Dr Goebbels'!
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Post by josh on May 16, 2017 9:15:06 GMT
Not necessarily you only have to look at what capitalism has done to stoke on Trent and the pottery industry to see what capitalism has done the companies are more interested in profit and not the workers as labour, raw materials. Location etc influence the business then by moving the company to an area of cheap resources can lead to areas like stoke or wales being left with high unemployment and a deprived area SO capitalism does not always benefit society Capitalism built Stoke on Trent. And has now nearly destroyed it. We can control and regulate capitalism to work for the country instead of against it. Capitalism out of control leads to money becoming the be all and end all. People are just commodities in a business. We should all be enjoying the benefits of capitalism, not just the few at the top who are now mega rich because of it.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 9:30:44 GMT
General Secretary of the TUC being very positive about Theresa May's pledge on workers rights. Frances Grady has also said: "Commenting on the latest inflation figures published today (Tuesday) by the Office for National Statistics – which show CPI inflation has risen to 2.7% and overtaken wage growth – TUC General Secretary Frances O’Grady said: “The last thing Britain needs is another real wage slump. But rising prices are hammering pay packets. “Working people are still £20 a week off worse, on average, than they were before the crash. That’s why living standards must be a key battleground at this election."" Those comments sound like Theresa May speaking the other day. One Nation Conservatives
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 9:35:15 GMT
John McDonnell calling for an illegal General Strike tells Labour MP's "stop fiddling your expenses and stand with us" It's like he deliberately wants to decimate the Labour party so the vast majority of MP's defect allowing him and Corbo to go on demos at weekends in their retirement. From 'The Sun' regarding a speech in 2009. Glad to see you're living up to your soubriquet 'Dr Goebbels'! So what's your point? Are you suggesting that's not McDonut in the video? Here he is telling activists he's a Marxist....
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 9:36:28 GMT
Capitalism built Stoke on Trent. And has now nearly destroyed it. We can control and regulate capitalism to work for the country instead of against it. Capitalism out of control leads to money becoming the be all and end all. People are just commodities in a business. We should all be enjoying the benefits of capitalism, not just the few at the top who are now mega rich because of it. We all do benefit from Capitalism.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 9:36:35 GMT
Frances Grady has also said: "Commenting on the latest inflation figures published today (Tuesday) by the Office for National Statistics – which show CPI inflation has risen to 2.7% and overtaken wage growth – TUC General Secretary Frances O’Grady said: “The last thing Britain needs is another real wage slump. But rising prices are hammering pay packets. “Working people are still £20 a week off worse, on average, than they were before the crash. That’s why living standards must be a key battleground at this election."" Those comments sound like Theresa May speaking the other day. One Nation Conservatives So why is she the P.M. that is delivering crippling inflation to millions of British people? Vote Now = Pay Now(and for years to come)!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 9:54:56 GMT
Jezza's speech.... coming up soon..... noticeably more personal from the guy who doesn't do personal. Murray's advice no doubt.
Buzzwords: "For the many not the few" and "Radical and responsible".
“People want a country run for the many not the few. For the last seven years, our people have lived through the opposite – a Britain run for the rich, the elite and the vested interests. They have benefitted from tax cuts and bumper salaries while millions have struggled and been held back."
"Whatever your age or situation, people are under pressure, struggling to make ends. Our manifesto is for you. Parents worrying about the prospects for their children and anxious about the growing needs of their own elderly parents. Young people struggling to find a secure job and despairing of ever getting a home of their own. Children growing up in poverty; students leaving college burdened with debt; workers who have gone years without a real pay rise coping with stretched family budgets."
“Labour’s mission, over the next five years, is to change all that. Our manifesto spells out how – with a programme that is radical and responsible. It’s a programme that will reverse our national priorities to put the interests of the many first. It will change our country while managing within our means. And it will lead us through Brexit while putting the preservation of jobs first."
“This is a programme of hope. The Tory campaign, by contrast, is built on one word: fear. The record proves one thing: The Tories are still the nasty party. The party of prejudice, the party of the rich, the party of the tight-fisted and the mean-spirited."
“Theresa May will disagree of course. So I say to her: Prime Minister, come out of hiding and let’s have that debate on television so millions can make up their minds."
“What are you afraid of? It’s not too late. Let’s debate our two manifestos. Have the argument. I am confident that once the people of Britain have the chance to hear our promises and plans, they will decide now is the time for Labour.”
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 16, 2017 9:55:58 GMT
Capitalism is a system that needs winners and losers by essence. But if a bank fails, in the raw world of capitalism, the bank should fail. Bank bailouts are intrinsically not capitalist interventions. Bailouts are nothing but cronyism for messing up the finances I'm afraid. If there was no bailout, banks would be far more responsible, like most small business owners who have no safety net.
Of course we all benefit from capitalism in some ways it's daft to suggest we don't, but the efforts governments will go to help their mates in the city, rather than that of their citizens is an indictment of a flawed system.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 10:03:12 GMT
Capitalism is a system that needs winners and losers by essence. But if a bank fails, in the raw world of capitalism, the bank should fail. Bank bailouts are intrinsically not capitalist interventions. Bailouts are nothing but cronyism for messing up the finances I'm afraid. If there was no bailout, banks would be far more responsible, like most small business owners who have no safety net. Of course we all benefit from capitalism in some ways it's daft to suggest we don't, but the efforts governments will go to help their mates in the city, rather than that of their citizens is an indictment of a flawed system. The banks you wanted to fail had ordinary peoples' money tied up in them. The banking system is flawed. A Government safety net should be available but the risk, reward, responsibilities and accountability need to be reformed.
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Post by harryburrows on May 16, 2017 10:09:34 GMT
Capitalism is a system that needs winners and losers by essence. But if a bank fails, in the raw world of capitalism, the bank should fail. Bank bailouts are intrinsically not capitalist interventions. Bailouts are nothing but cronyism for messing up the finances I'm afraid. If there was no bailout, banks would be far more responsible, like most small business owners who have no safety net. Of course we all benefit from capitalism in some ways it's daft to suggest we don't, but the efforts governments will go to help their mates in the city, rather than that of their citizens is an indictment of a flawed system. The banks you wanted to fail had ordinary peoples' money tied up in them. The banking system is flawed. A Government safety net should be available but the risk, reward, responsibilities and accountability need to be reformed. Banking supervision needs to be much better . The disaster that unfolded 10'years ago happened in plain sight of the FDIC . If I committed any other type of fraud in the USA , tax fraud for instance I would be behind bars . To my knowledge this didn't happen
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 10:15:03 GMT
Labour to extend HS2 to Scotland.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 16, 2017 10:18:37 GMT
Capitalism is a system that needs winners and losers by essence. But if a bank fails, in the raw world of capitalism, the bank should fail. Bank bailouts are intrinsically not capitalist interventions. Bailouts are nothing but cronyism for messing up the finances I'm afraid. If there was no bailout, banks would be far more responsible, like most small business owners who have no safety net. Of course we all benefit from capitalism in some ways it's daft to suggest we don't, but the efforts governments will go to help their mates in the city, rather than that of their citizens is an indictment of a flawed system. The banks you wanted to fail had ordinary peoples' money tied up in them. The banking system is flawed. A Government safety net should be available but the risk, reward, responsibilities and accountability need to be reformed. Who said I wanted them to fail? I simply pointed out that if we lived in a true capitalist society, they would have failed. But they wouldn't have been in that position if there wasn't such a care free attitude to risk in our financial and political institutions, which is caused by a lack of "true" capitalism. Banks have already initiated the process of getting rid of the knee jerk legislation that was brought in over the last decade. Why? Because they just want more and more, and fuck everyone else who gets in the way. People have to put their money in these places because there is nowhere else to go. Does that sound fair to you? There's a reason we have a crash every 20 or so years.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 10:19:54 GMT
Norman Smith
Assistant political editor, BBC Posted at
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What's not in here [Labour Manifesto] is the cost of renationalisation - of water companies, railways, the Royal Mail, and so on.
They're saying, "Don't worry, we can borrow for that."
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 10:27:30 GMT
Norman Smith Assistant political editor, BBC Posted at 11:11 What's not in here [Labour Manifesto] is the cost of renationalisation - of water companies, railways, the Royal Mail, and so on. They're saying, "Don't worry, we can borrow for that." That's capital spend so isn't real money Honestly some of the ideas are so childishly stupid like the high earners tax on companies if the highest paid are paid more than 20x the lowest paid it takes about 30 seconds to work out that companies will just move the high earners to a separate company and pay fuck all tax.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 10:33:03 GMT
Furthermore, thanks to Chicken May's Brexit strategy the following is happening: "Almost half of European businesses have started looking to replace British suppliers with competitors from inside the EU after concerns about higher tariffs after Brexit, according to a new survey.
More than one-quarter of European supply chain managers intend to re-shore all or part of their supply chains to Europe, with 46 per cent anticipating a greater proportion of their supply chain being removed from the UK, based on research by the Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply, which surveyed over 2,000 global supply chain managers."
2.7% inflation and rising fast and unemployment about to rise around the corner too. All delivered by our competent Tories!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 10:34:34 GMT
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