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Post by essexstokey on May 13, 2017 11:05:50 GMT
I probably have but please can you post it again. Some years back I was in Brussels talking to a man who has subsequently become a friend ( one of those for various reasons you cannot see as often as you would like) who worked very high up in the EU in his field ....infact he was the top man.One of the nicest people you could ever meet, extremely clever but equally modest,genuine, could not do enough for you. This was before the referendum was even promised. He was obviously firmly committed to the project ( the term remainer was not needed when I last spoke to him) and we have had many interesting debates...One thing always struck me....he used to say in simple way ( not threatening)..."Britain wont be allowed to leave the EU"...he just seemed to imply something, did not elaborate, but seemed confident in it, in a matter of fact sort of way.I have not had his up to date opinion Your story seems to go with that other film that's about "the brussels business" Scary what lurks in the shadows You obviously haven't read the Interviews or chosen to ignore them he is on record as saying that we will be leaving the EU so to keep on spouting the Tory lies is a form of brainwashing by the conservative party remember you can never trust a tory they will say anything for power, even buy an election they do more U turns than anyone and cant be trusted on anything they say. The conservatives putting the con in politics!!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 11:09:14 GMT
Your story seems to go with that other film that's about "the brussels business" Scary what lurks in the shadows You obviously haven't read the Interviews or chosen to ignore them he is on record as saying that we will be leaving the EU so to keep on spouting the Tory lies is a form of brainwashing by the conservative party remember you can never trust a tory they will say anything for power, even buy an election they do more U turns than anyone and cant be trusted on anything they say. The conservatives putting the con in politics!!I bet your sermons sound great in your head
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 13, 2017 11:57:55 GMT
Is it not possible to be against the reasons for war, without actually being pissed off at the soliders? If they fought in an unjust war, it's not the veterans' fault. Politicians send people to war - the soldiers are just doing their (very difficult) job. Well here he is not singing the National Anthem at the Battle of Britain Service 2015 and that's from the war that he did think was just. The service wasn't discussing the political decisions of the past it was commemorating the dead service men and women. View AttachmentEqually you could say that picture is a picture of him at service to pay respect to fallen soldiers. I'm fairly sure God Save The Queen is not a song to commemerate fallen soldiers.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 13, 2017 13:25:25 GMT
Well here he is not singing the National Anthem at the Battle of Britain Service 2015 and that's from the war that he did think was just. The service wasn't discussing the political decisions of the past it was commemorating the dead service men and women. View AttachmentEqually you could say that picture is a picture of him at service to pay respect to fallen soldiers. I'm fairly sure God Save The Queen is not a song to commemerate fallen soldiers. He had to go as the leader of Her Majesty's opposition and I'm fairly sure that God Save the Queen should be fucking sung when it's one of those chosen at a service commemorating fallen airmen and women.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 13:27:45 GMT
Equally you could say that picture is a picture of him at service to pay respect to fallen soldiers. I'm fairly sure God Save The Queen is not a song to commemerate fallen soldiers. He had to go as the leader of Her Majesty's opposition and I'm fairly sure that God Save the Queen should be fucking sung when it's one of those chosen at a service commemorating fallen airmen and women. Spot on .
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Post by josh on May 13, 2017 14:47:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 14:50:05 GMT
I believe the truth ....as I see it .
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Post by felonious on May 13, 2017 14:56:11 GMT
You obviously haven't read the Interviews or chosen to ignore them he is on record as saying that we will be leaving the EU so to keep on spouting the Tory lies is a form of brainwashing by the conservative party remember you can never trust a tory they will say anything for power, even buy an election they do more U turns than anyone and cant be trusted on anything they say. The conservatives putting the con in politics!!I bet your sermons sound great in your head I bet there's an echo in there as well
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 13, 2017 15:52:31 GMT
Equally you could say that picture is a picture of him at service to pay respect to fallen soldiers. I'm fairly sure God Save The Queen is not a song to commemerate fallen soldiers. He had to go as the leader of Her Majesty's opposition and I'm fairly sure that God Save the Queen should be fucking sung when it's one of those chosen at a service commemorating fallen airmen and women. Last time I checked, they died for us to have the freedom to remember people in whichever respectful way we choose. Attending a memorial service is one way of doing it, as are the other examples of him doing so in the post a couple of posts up. The idea that you, or anyone, has the right to choose how someone remembers the fallen is arrogance of the highest order. Do you give people marks out of ten for grief?
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Post by essexstokey on May 13, 2017 16:20:20 GMT
I bet your sermons sound great in your head I bet there's an echo in there as well No the craziness in this election is that anyone without money contemplates voting for Chicken May and the Tories they have consistently worked against anyone who is employed and now trying to kid people that they have changed Lol they want the repeal of the human rights act, they wanted to repeal legislation protecting you in the workplace, they spend a million on trying to get a mayors job, they're trying to get away with no polices to substance and no guts. people need to wake up soon YOU CANT TRUST THE TORIES!!
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Post by capto on May 13, 2017 17:26:36 GMT
Equally you could say that picture is a picture of him at service to pay respect to fallen soldiers. I'm fairly sure God Save The Queen is not a song to commemerate fallen soldiers. He had to go as the leader of Her Majesty's opposition and I'm fairly sure that God Save the Queen should be fucking sung when it's one of those chosen at a service commemorating fallen airmen and women. Why? Do you want people in this country to be regimented like in North Korea? If you spent more time thinking about your comments and less time swearing at people who, god forbid, dare to have a different view, this MB may benefit.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 21:32:05 GMT
He had to go as the leader of Her Majesty's opposition and I'm fairly sure that God Save the Queen should be fucking sung when it's one of those chosen at a service commemorating fallen airmen and women. Why? Do you want people in this country to be regimented like in North Korea? If you spent more time thinking about your comments and less time swearing at people who, god forbid, dare to have a different view, this MB may benefit. There are plenty of people who are abusive on here who could improve this board if they were to think more about there comments ..name calling , swearing and abuse never won any argument .
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 14, 2017 0:25:11 GMT
He had to go as the leader of Her Majesty's opposition and I'm fairly sure that God Save the Queen should be fucking sung when it's one of those chosen at a service commemorating fallen airmen and women. Last time I checked, they died for us to have the freedom to remember people in whichever respectful way we choose. Attending a memorial service is one way of doing it, as are the other examples of him doing so in the post a couple of posts up. The idea that you, or anyone, has the right to choose how someone remembers the fallen is arrogance of the highest order. Do you give people marks out of ten for grief? Fuck off you prick. How's that for arrogance.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 14, 2017 0:25:56 GMT
He had to go as the leader of Her Majesty's opposition and I'm fairly sure that God Save the Queen should be fucking sung when it's one of those chosen at a service commemorating fallen airmen and women. Why? Do you want people in this country to be regimented like in North Korea? If you spent more time thinking about your comments and less time swearing at people who, god forbid, dare to have a different view, this MB may benefit. You can fuck off as well.
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Post by partickpotter on May 14, 2017 7:01:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 8:39:24 GMT
He had to go as the leader of Her Majesty's opposition and I'm fairly sure that God Save the Queen should be fucking sung when it's one of those chosen at a service commemorating fallen airmen and women. Why? Do you want people in this country to be regimented like in North Korea? If you spent more time thinking about your comments and less time swearing at people who, god forbid, dare to have a different view, this MB may benefit. I don't know weather you're getting your accounts mixed up, but 6 months ago (not paid much attention to the new you lately) this was you.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 14, 2017 8:57:22 GMT
In some ways Roger U think the opposite .I believe that Labour ( and the Greens, and Lib Dems) are prepared to sacrifice out democracy in that the ( apiarent) strong socialist grouping in the EU will deliver what they never could in this country...and the decision is based on political short term expediency. Corbyn himself does have a problem.. Never expecting to be leader he could stick to his Bennite principle of Leaving based on democracy, he now has other problems trying to 'please ' different factions....so much so that no matter how good the policies might seem being on the wrong side of Brexit, he and the party are fatally doomed I find it quite interesting. Terms like "fatally doomed" have been used quite a lot about Corbyn's Labour recently, not least by myself. But I've come around to Momo's and Stockportstokie's viewpoint that Corbyn's direction is the correct direction for the Labour Party. Paradoxically I think the 'glory years' of Blair's administration was a poisoned chalice for the Labour Party. It was unsustainable to continue a very centrist path by Blair and somehow appeal or try to appeal to the original further Left beliefs. The whole Cool Britannia and champagne socialism thing not only alienated traditional voters but detached the Labour Party from it's core ideals. The feeling of Labour winning landslides was like crack cocaine until you realise the upside would come with a far worse downside. I think Newton's third law applies to politics as it does to nature. Blair's landslide victories were so seismic that the reaction has to be Corbyn to correct the pendulum swing. Labour can't sit in the middle ground of politics because that's not their natural place, their raison d'etre is not the Third Way. The Lib Dem's are a (very) minority party no matter what history or Farron tells us. 8% of the vote in 2015 and only 8 seats out of 650. With the Conservative's dominant and heading for a sizeable majority the idea of a 'new' party will appeal to many but that won't be Corbyn's Labour party. I agree with this Roger. For me Labour have failed to grasp that Brexit has opened the door for an election that is as seismic as the post war election. A time to be bold clear and radical ...BUT For me 1 Their stance on the Brexit issue has been far from that. Simply they are on the wrong side of the argument and consequently, whatever they would like to think, they are no longer represents the views of those working class voters who, for whatever reason, voted Brexit. There is no conviction in their stance on Brexit and no vision for a Post EU UK. 2 The party is completely divided into the two camps you mention, and the electorate don't like a divided party.As others have said this also impacts upon his availability if other ministers...for me the more I see of McDonnell and Abbot, who seem to be the major spokespeople, the more I am convinced of the pending disaster. 3 Corbyn himself is not a leader, He was only added to the ballot for leader to pay lip service to the left of the party , he was never expected to win....whuch in some ways sums up the party. 4 Many of their policies I like, but particularly because they got the big one wrong, I still can see "fatal doom" 5 The eternal problem the left have, as I think that you have said, is to have a leader who people can believe in, alongside the policies, coming together at an opportune moment. Things may have been different had John Smith not died youngl, but perhaps that is going back too far. If there is a regrouping sometime after the election....SDP part 2, which unfortunately for me will not be the answer .... if it involves people like Clegg,Chunks, Cooper Cable ( if elected, which I don't think he will be)...I don't think that it will be far enough in distance from the Tories to make any difference. The true left of the Labour party will be in the wilderness, possibly forever, as we accept the predominance of a similar choice to what's on offer in America. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/exclusive-telegraph-orb-poll-conservatives-lead-across-social/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_null
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 14, 2017 9:21:04 GMT
Last time I checked, they died for us to have the freedom to remember people in whichever respectful way we choose. Attending a memorial service is one way of doing it, as are the other examples of him doing so in the post a couple of posts up. The idea that you, or anyone, has the right to choose how someone remembers the fallen is arrogance of the highest order. Do you give people marks out of ten for grief? Fuck off you prick. How's that for arrogance. Did you forget to buy your tampons again? Getting caught short is not nice.
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Post by essexstokey on May 14, 2017 9:51:00 GMT
I believe the truth ....as I see it . have you taken your blinkers off yet?
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Post by essexstokey on May 14, 2017 9:57:10 GMT
No extra funding to meet Tory pledges on housing and defence.
And they have the guts to say Labours figures don't add up !!!
Oh by the way did you see this week the Tories sold off all the remaining shares in the profit making bank we owned!! yet again feathering the nest!! oh and the bank we bought under Labour has made the nation 500 million despite the Tories selling it off cheap to there mates in the city!!
The Conservatives putting the CON in politics!!
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Post by essexstokey on May 14, 2017 10:07:35 GMT
The Scottish Conservatives have announced a policy U-turn on opposing free prescriptions.
Yet another tory U turn say anything to get elected then drop it after
The conservatives putting the con in politics!!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 14, 2017 11:07:03 GMT
I find it quite interesting. Terms like "fatally doomed" have been used quite a lot about Corbyn's Labour recently, not least by myself. But I've come around to Momo's and Stockportstokie's viewpoint that Corbyn's direction is the correct direction for the Labour Party. Paradoxically I think the 'glory years' of Blair's administration was a poisoned chalice for the Labour Party. It was unsustainable to continue a very centrist path by Blair and somehow appeal or try to appeal to the original further Left beliefs. The whole Cool Britannia and champagne socialism thing not only alienated traditional voters but detached the Labour Party from it's core ideals. The feeling of Labour winning landslides was like crack cocaine until you realise the upside would come with a far worse downside. I think Newton's third law applies to politics as it does to nature. Blair's landslide victories were so seismic that the reaction has to be Corbyn to correct the pendulum swing. Labour can't sit in the middle ground of politics because that's not their natural place, their raison d'etre is not the Third Way. The Lib Dem's are a (very) minority party no matter what history or Farron tells us. 8% of the vote in 2015 and only 8 seats out of 650. With the Conservative's dominant and heading for a sizeable majority the idea of a 'new' party will appeal to many but that won't be Corbyn's Labour party. I agree with this Roger. For me Labour have failed to grasp that Brexit has opened the door for an election that is as seismic as the post war election. A time to be bold clear and radical ...BUT For me 1 Their stance on the Brexit issue has been far from that. Simply they are on the wrong side of the argument and consequently, whatever they would like to think, they are no longer represents the views of those working class voters who, for whatever reason, voted Brexit. There is no conviction in their stance on Brexit and no vision for a Post EU UK. 2 The party is completely divided into the two camps you mention, and the electorate don't like a divided party.As others have said this also impacts upon his availability if other ministers...for me the more I see of McDonnell and Abbot, who seem to be the major spokespeople, the more I am convinced of the pending disaster. 3 Corbyn himself is not a leader, He was only added to the ballot for leader to pay lip service to the left of the party , he was never expected to win....whuch in some ways sums up the party. 4 Many of their policies I like, but particularly because they got the big one wrong, I still can see "fatal doom" 5 The eternal problem the left have, as I think that you have said, is to have a leader who people can believe in, alongside the policies, coming together at an opportune moment. Things may have been different had John Smith not died youngl, but perhaps that is going back too far. If there is a regrouping sometime after the election....SDP part 2, which unfortunately for me will not be the answer .... if it involves people like Clegg,Chunks, Cooper Cable ( if elected, which I don't think he will be)...I don't think that it will be far enough in distance from the Tories to make any difference. The true left of the Labour party will be in the wilderness, possibly forever, as we accept the predominance of a similar choice to what's on offer in America. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/exclusive-telegraph-orb-poll-conservatives-lead-across-social/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_nullAn interesting poll conducted by Lord Ashcroft using a 40,000 sample survey. It also includes an identity index based on; "immigration, multiculturalism, social liberalism, feminism, the green movement, globalisation, whether changes in society in recent years have mostly been for better or worse, and whether or not life in Britain is better than it was thirty years ago"If the turnout is as self-reported the majority is 180! Lord Ashcroft model There's a "click here" link at the bottom of the methodology that takes you to a constituency-by-constituency or overall model. Enjoy.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 14, 2017 12:38:51 GMT
London. The last Labour stronghold?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 14:53:04 GMT
I believe the truth ....as I see it . have you taken your blinkers off yet? No ......have you taken of your red tinted spectacles yet ?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 14, 2017 19:30:31 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on May 14, 2017 21:04:10 GMT
have you taken your blinkers off yet? No ......have you taken of your red tinted spectacles yet ? You know with old age comes forgetfulness or is it selective forgetfulness on your part If you read back on my posts I've actually said I cant back Corbin but hell would have to freeze over for me to ever vote or even support the Tories they are out for themselves, and what they or there chums can rip the country off. they are Hypocrites saying one thing and doing the opposite (u turning so often there doing do nuts )and always have been, they hide there major policies in small paragraphs in there manifesto so no one will notice (like abolition of human rights act) They are intent on selling anything that's not nailed down and then give tax cuts for the richest in society while screwing those at the bottom of society. I have crossed swords with many conservatives over the years and they think that they are better than anyone. If you look back at my posts I've actually given you an example of how they manipulated the public in Bolton when major was elected, and this continues today with manipulation of financial figures (proven) at the last election and even spending 1 million to get a mayors job for goodness sake they think money buys you elections that's how corrupt they are.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 21:32:49 GMT
No ......have you taken of your red tinted spectacles yet ? You know with old age comes forgetfulness or is it selective forgetfulness on your part If you read back on my posts I've actually said I cant back Corbin but hell would have to freeze over for me to ever vote or even support the Tories they are out for themselves, and what they or there chums can rip the country off. they are Hypocrites saying one thing and doing the opposite (u turning so often there doing do nuts )and always have been, they hide there major policies in small paragraphs in there manifesto so no one will notice (like abolition of human rights act) They are intent on selling anything that's not nailed down and then give tax cuts for the richest in society while screwing those at the bottom of society. I have crossed swords with many conservatives over the years and they think that they are better than anyone. If you look back at my posts I've actually given you an example of how they manipulated the public in Bolton when major was elected, and this continues today with manipulation of financial figures (proven) at the last election and even spending 1 million to get a mayors job for goodness sake they think money buys you elections that's how corrupt they are. All I see looking at your posts is at least two weeks of propaganda posted in support of the Labour Party .....tiresome .
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Post by essexstokey on May 14, 2017 21:38:10 GMT
You know with old age comes forgetfulness or is it selective forgetfulness on your part If you read back on my posts I've actually said I cant back Corbin but hell would have to freeze over for me to ever vote or even support the Tories they are out for themselves, and what they or there chums can rip the country off. they are Hypocrites saying one thing and doing the opposite (u turning so often there doing do nuts )and always have been, they hide there major policies in small paragraphs in there manifesto so no one will notice (like abolition of human rights act) They are intent on selling anything that's not nailed down and then give tax cuts for the richest in society while screwing those at the bottom of society. I have crossed swords with many conservatives over the years and they think that they are better than anyone. If you look back at my posts I've actually given you an example of how they manipulated the public in Bolton when major was elected, and this continues today with manipulation of financial figures (proven) at the last election and even spending 1 million to get a mayors job for goodness sake they think money buys you elections that's how corrupt they are. All I see looking at your posts is at least two weeks of propaganda posted in support of the Labour Party .....tiresome . then I suggest you get to spec savers
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 14, 2017 21:59:51 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on May 14, 2017 22:09:06 GMT
The claim: The Conservatives pledged to build up the size of the army to 82,000 by 2020. Reality Check verdict: The actual manifesto pledge was to not let the size of the army fall below 82,000. It currently stands at nearly 78,500 so that pledge has been broken. Yet another campaign promise broken linkYou cant trust the Tories!!
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