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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 21, 2017 9:22:10 GMT
I'm just looking for a simple answer to my question? Will Clucker if she gets a big majority in June uprate pensions, benefits, pay etc. in line with inflation which will be ca.3%. Furthermore, how many private sector workers after the autumn will get a 3% pay rise? 'Mary', you've been a massive anti-E.U. advocate but could you please give us all some answers now we have triggered Article 50? What's holding you back? Not angry just quizzical? you could send a glass eye too sleep. I don't expect it will concern you as you're off to Spain anyhow? Incidentally, watched a programme about ex-pats in Spain who say if they are forced to buy private health insurance they will return to the U.K.? Is this an issue for you? I'm interested in how you see things?
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 21, 2017 9:24:02 GMT
you could send a glass eye too sleep. I don't expect it will concern you as you're off to Spain anyhow? Incidentally, watched a programme about ex-pats in Spain who say if they are forced to buy private health insurance they will return to the U.K.? Is this an issue for you? I'm interested in how you see things?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 21, 2017 9:25:37 GMT
you could send a glass eye too sleep. I've suffered insomnia for some time now ......reading his posts enabled me to get a good nights sleep or two recently .....carry on the good work Nick. I'm surprised you can sleep not knowing what Clucker is going to get up to? Are you like George Osborne? Got Five Jobs and don't need to worry about the consequences of the "loons and fruitcakes" actions?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 9:36:17 GMT
I've suffered insomnia for some time now ......reading his posts enabled me to get a good nights sleep or two recently .....carry on the good work Nick. I'm surprised you can sleep not knowing what Clucker is going to get up to? Are you like George Osborne? Got Five Jobs and don't need to worry about the consequences of the "loons and fruitcakes" actions? No I'm retired .....and unlike you politics is not the be all and end all of my life I don't spend hour after hour worrying about the actions of politicians and how they may affect my life . I have my views ( which I normally keep to myself , because who on earth really cares what anyone else thinks ? ) and I vote accordingly .....that's all .
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 21, 2017 10:59:25 GMT
All looking a little careless this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 11:09:28 GMT
Seven more weeks of this ! God help us ......I'm off to count my undeserved blessings that I've stashed in the attic .
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 21, 2017 11:09:46 GMT
Can't help to be worried about this election All these remainers clawing for a chance to reverse a democratic vote Yet With all the promising words from our prime minister I still can't forget how she was such a staunch remainer for many years (one of the biggest) Suddenly she calls an election Would she fluff it up, take a bullet so to speak to rebalance control to the Brussels boys, setting up a very comfortable life for herself and family with the world elite I'm being silly aren't I ? That's what it's all about, mate. Brexit won't mean Brexit at all after this second referendum. Mealy mouthed bastards like Farron and Corbyn will team up with Sturgeon so it gets watered down into nothing. 8 out of 10 MP's wanted to remain and only reluctantly gave us the vote, then the government spent £9 million trying to scare us to death. They misjudged public opinion badly, but instead of admitting it, they want to overturn a referendum result(whatever they say). Students will be galvanized into voting(although most of them couldn't be arsed to first time around)and the wanky left wing media will hammer away at May and Brexit again. For years people were told to vote, or they had no right to moan about the result. Now they are being told "Fuck your vote, WE decide what happens, not you". How anybody, regardless of their stance on the E.U. can be happy with that is beyond me. I agree entirely. Even if she does not fluff the actual election , she has resurrected the referendum arguments and given impetus to those who cannot and will not accept the result.The saddest thing of all for me is that those Remainers who think that they are fighting for the "ordinary" person , the disadvantaged, are actually batting for the other side. Conned yet again by the political ruling class, and lapping it up.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 21, 2017 11:20:13 GMT
That's what it's all about, mate. Brexit won't mean Brexit at all after this second referendum. Mealy mouthed bastards like Farron and Corbyn will team up with Sturgeon so it gets watered down into nothing. 8 out of 10 MP's wanted to remain and only reluctantly gave us the vote, then the government spent £9 million trying to scare us to death. They misjudged public opinion badly, but instead of admitting it, they want to overturn a referendum result(whatever they say). Students will be galvanized into voting(although most of them couldn't be arsed to first time around)and the wanky left wing media will hammer away at May and Brexit again. For years people were told to vote, or they had no right to moan about the result. Now they are being told "Fuck your vote, WE decide what happens, not you". How anybody, regardless of their stance on the E.U. can be happy with that is beyond me. I agree entirely. Even if she does not fluff the actual election , she has resurrected the referendum arguments and given impetus to those who cannot and will not accept the result.The saddest thing of all for me is that those Remainers who think that they are fighting for the "ordinary" person , the disadvantaged, are actually batting for the other side. Conned yet again by the political ruling class, and lapping it up. And stoked up trouble in Scotland! And stoked up trouble in N.Ireland! Look, she triggered Article 50, she had a team of politicians and civil servants ready to negotiate the divorce/trade deal. Just get on and do it? She wanted the election so she should respectfully debate the issues/policies/personalities on t.v. with the other leaders?
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 21, 2017 12:14:52 GMT
One of the main problems with getting a fair election is the press and who controls it There are people who believe everything that they say especially sun and daily male supporters this gives the Tories free advertising and free propaganda unchallenged right up to election day and this when Kinnock stood made the difference and overturned his poll majority.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 12:19:22 GMT
Get yer yer facts right
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 21, 2017 12:46:39 GMT
All looking a little careless this. It's all relative really 14 MP' s stood down these last few days, 170 was it don't want you as Leader, the MP' s staying are having to tell the electorate vote for me don't worry there's no chance of Corbyn being PM.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 21, 2017 12:57:05 GMT
One of the main problems with getting a fair election is the press and who controls it There are people who believe everything that they say especially sun and daily male supporters this gives the Tories free advertising and free propaganda unchallenged right up to election day and this when Kinnock stood made the difference and overturned his poll majority. Same applies to the mirror and the guardian
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 21, 2017 13:32:20 GMT
I agree entirely. Even if she does not fluff the actual election , she has resurrected the referendum arguments and given impetus to those who cannot and will not accept the result.The saddest thing of all for me is that those Remainers who think that they are fighting for the "ordinary" person , the disadvantaged, are actually batting for the other side. Conned yet again by the political ruling class, and lapping it up. And stoked up trouble in Scotland! And stoked up trouble in N.Ireland! Look, she triggered Article 50, she had a team of politicians and civil servants ready to negotiate the divorce/trade deal. Just get on and do it? She wanted the election so she should respectfully debate the issues/policies/personalities on t.v. with the other leaders? Nick Your reply does not really relate to my comments, but just to respond to your points, although like others I think that you are being deliberately shortsighted; The fight for Scottish and Irish independence has always been and always will be with us and I fully understand it. I like the idea of a United Kingdom and think that we may have just about got it right...it takes some doing to keep separate Nationalities UNITED.The EU has tried to do similar by stealth and they will pay the price. It is the EU that has set the conditions for any stoking up that has taken place by being deceitful and burying much that needed stoking up.Just because things may be quiet and the people may be conforming does not make it right. Saddest thing is duping the electorate into throwing away their democracy. Whichever way it is dressed up, the powerful will love that.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 21, 2017 13:59:05 GMT
One of the main problems with getting a fair election is the press and who controls it There are people who believe everything that they say especially sun and daily male supporters this gives the Tories free advertising and free propaganda unchallenged right up to election day and this when Kinnock stood made the difference and overturned his poll majority. Same applies to the mirror and the guardian Correct Salop. EVERY source needs scrutiny: December 23, 2016 RIP Manchester Guardian; welcome Euro-Guardian – an open letter to The Guardian Written by Austin Mitchell Austin Mitchell was Labour MP for Great Grimsby between 1977 and 2015. I’m not going to go in for the usual disgruntled reader’s rant and say I’m cancelling my subscription to The Guardian. I can’t. My wife pays it and I wouldn’t dream of imposing my views on her. But I do think that for a liberal newspaper, which I’ve always relied on, your reaction to the Brexit vote has been both illiberal and a bit disgraceful. You and your sister paper believe in democracy, but consistently cast doubts on the decision of the British people to stop taking the Euro medicine you feel is essential for a weak and ailing country, in which you have little faith. You bang on about the vote being close, tell us that no-one understood the consequences, claiming that proponents lied and a stupid nation was conned. All that could be argued against the 2010 election, when the people certainly didn’t vote for Osborne’s nasty austerity, but I don’t remember you saying it then. So why does your new distaste for democracy only apply to matters European? Your columnists are independent and their views are their own, not the paper’s. Yet, by a strange coincidence, all are Rampant Remainers of an almost religious enthusiasm. All want the vote reversed, cancelled by a second referendum, rejected by Parliament or otherwise subverted. They act like officers in the forthcoming Blair resistance movement, but seem happy to be a Euro fifth column until that’s organised. Some, like Martin Kettle, are even prepared to go to any lengths to sabotage Brexit, though so far he’s only specified four. No doubt a lot more will follow. Your mantra is that “comment is free, but facts are sacred”, but your comment is all Remain and your facts selective. You trundle out a litany of “facts” which are mostly hypothetical and some downright wrong about the disastrous consequences of Brexit. You say that Brexit ministers are a joke, embarked on mission impossible. You attribute every passing difficulty and every new problem to the vote, never tell your readers about any possible benefits and ignore and discount the mess the EU is in thanks to its disastrous folly of the Euro. I’m expecting an article claiming an increase in halitosis is due to Brexit. Or another blaming flatulence on the upset it causes to liberal tummies. You grudgingly accept that negotiations have to begin and that the vote requires notice to be given under Article 50. Yet, you then set out to undermine and weaken Britain’s negotiating position before we’ve even started. You treat every threat (and that’s all we get) from the EU as gospel, but denigrate every assertion from Britain. You deny the British case, then claim we haven’t got one. You dilute British demands, argue that none of them are possible in any case, and urge the Government to reveal its hand and go for a “soft Brexit” (whatever that is) rather than set out to get the best possible divorce terms. To frighten us off, you then claim to know that the EU (which doesn’t have to face a fifth column, and a constant barrage of criticism as we do) can’t give way on anything anyway. brexitcentral.com/rip-manchester-guardian-welcome-euro-guardian-open-letter-guardian-austin-mitchell/0
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Post by capto on Apr 21, 2017 15:40:20 GMT
One of the main problems with getting a fair election is the press and who controls it There are people who believe everything that they say especially sun and daily male supporters this gives the Tories free advertising and free propaganda unchallenged right up to election day and this when Kinnock stood made the difference and overturned his poll majority. Same applies to the mirror and the guardian no it doesn't Match of the Day: fighting the corner of the under dog and the small clubs since 1964
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Post by stockportstokie on Apr 21, 2017 15:44:31 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Apr 21, 2017 15:48:23 GMT
Same applies to the mirror and the guardian no it doesn't Exactly why it does
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Post by salopstick on Apr 21, 2017 15:55:18 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn can kiss babies, promise the earth but he will still be that scummy bloke sat next to Gerry Adams to a large proportion of the country
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 21, 2017 16:23:55 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn can kiss babies, promise the earth but he will still be that scummy bloke sat next to Gerry Adams to a large proportion of the country Is this the same Gerry Adams who has met H.M. Queen?
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Post by salopstick on Apr 21, 2017 16:31:37 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn can kiss babies, promise the earth but he will still be that scummy bloke sat next to Gerry Adams to a large proportion of the country Is this the same Gerry Adams who has met H.M. Queen? The very same one
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 21, 2017 16:36:07 GMT
Is this the same Gerry Adams who has met H.M. Queen? The very same one I've just seen a photo of Gerry shaking hands with H.R.H. Prince Charles too!
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Post by salopstick on Apr 21, 2017 16:37:24 GMT
Is this the same Gerry Adams who has met H.M. Queen? The very same one Was it at the IRA Memorial conferences?
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 21, 2017 17:01:59 GMT
I've just seen a photo of Gerry shaking hands with H.R.H. Prince Charles too! Showing the grace and favour HRH exudes by doing so.... especially for one who led an organisation that killed his favoured uncle....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 17:49:22 GMT
I've just seen a photo of Gerry shaking hands with H.R.H. Prince Charles too! Showing the grace and favour HRH exudes by doing so.... especially for one who led an organisation that killed his favoured uncle.... Carrying out the duties of his position through extremely gritted teeth I would imagine .
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Post by barcaontrent on Apr 21, 2017 18:04:39 GMT
The more I see Corbyns pledges the more I think how on earth we could possibly afford any of them.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 21, 2017 22:23:24 GMT
The more I see Corbyns pledges the more I think how on earth we could possibly afford any of them. Easy. 500 Billion of loans. 250 Billion from McDonut's invented 'National Bank' and 250 Billion from private investors. Ahh, private investors. Its like borrowing from Peter to pay Peter, with interest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 22:44:44 GMT
The more I see Corbyns pledges the more I think how on earth we could possibly afford any of them. Easy. 500 Billion of loans. 250 Billion from McDonut's invented 'National Bank' and 250 Billion from private investors. Ahh, private investors. Its like borrowing from Peter to pay Peter, with interest. So it would be same as usual with them then ?
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Post by hammered on Apr 22, 2017 0:24:55 GMT
Let’s play a game: Coalition Dream Team I'll make a start; PM: Jezza probs a nice two-faced bloke (deluded college mouthpiece) gets in another couple of years wasting public money for lots of sound-bites, little action, a big fat pension, union blow-backs and completes his destruction of the Labour party Chancellor: Krankie (oil prices will pick up soon surely and no-ones really interested in leaving the UK) builds a tunnel under the north sea to keep hidden EU agenda under wraps but exposed when Bratwurst replaces haggis as new year feast. Diane (you’re all racist) saggy tits as Home Secretary - makes progress underpinning her breasts but proves little else other than being a cunt is nothing to do with race Tim @dim.com (got to save those £7ph jobs) as Secretary of State for exiting the EU brings shame on the Tories (UKIP) exposing the truth about the EU Emily (I’ll get down to a size 22) Thornbury as Secretary for health admits Jezza's dream like her lunch can't be afforded Caroline “ban the bomb, save the lentil ” Defence Secretary lights a jostic, sings cumbi-ya, smoking and talking herbal cabbage while the world burns and we face it with sharpened celery. Oh the joys....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 0:48:43 GMT
Let’s play a game: Coalition Dream Team I'll make a start; PM: Jezza probs a nice two-faced bloke (deluded college mouthpiece) gets in another couple of years wasting public money for lots of sound-bites, little action, a big fat pension, union blow-backs and completes his destruction of the Labour party Chancellor: Krankie (oil prices will pick up soon surely and no-ones really interested in leaving the UK) builds a tunnel under the north sea to keep hidden EU agenda under wraps but exposed when Bratwurst replaces haggis as new year feast. Diane (you’re all racist) saggy tits as Home Secretary - makes progress underpinning her breasts but proves little else other than being a cunt is nothing to do with race Tim @dim.com (got to save those £7ph jobs) as Secretary of State for exiting the EU brings shame on the Tories (UKIP) exposing the truth about the EU Emily (I’ll get down to a size 22) Thornbury as Secretary for health admits Jezza's dream like her lunch can't be afforded Caroline “ban the bomb, save the lentil ” Defence Secretary lights a jostic, sings cumbi-ya, smoking and talking herbal cabbage while the world burns and we face it with sharpened celery. Oh the joys.... A nightmare scenario,.....thank god it couldn't happen ....could it ?
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Post by chuffedstokie on Apr 22, 2017 6:06:10 GMT
Let’s play a game: Coalition Dream Team I'll make a start; PM: Jezza probs a nice two-faced bloke (deluded college mouthpiece) gets in another couple of years wasting public money for lots of sound-bites, little action, a big fat pension, union blow-backs and completes his destruction of the Labour party Chancellor: Krankie (oil prices will pick up soon surely and no-ones really interested in leaving the UK) builds a tunnel under the north sea to keep hidden EU agenda under wraps but exposed when Bratwurst replaces haggis as new year feast. Diane (you’re all racist) saggy tits as Home Secretary - makes progress underpinning her breasts but proves little else other than being a cunt is nothing to do with race Tim @dim.com (got to save those £7ph jobs) as Secretary of State for exiting the EU brings shame on the Tories (UKIP) exposing the truth about the EU Emily (I’ll get down to a size 22) Thornbury as Secretary for health admits Jezza's dream like her lunch can't be afforded Caroline “ban the bomb, save the lentil ” Defence Secretary lights a jostic, sings cumbi-ya, smoking and talking herbal cabbage while the world burns and we face it with sharpened celery. Oh the joys.... I see celery stock prices going through the roof. BUY,BUY!!.
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