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Post by Gods on Apr 20, 2017 13:29:33 GMT
Anyone else prepared to admit to changing their political views as they have gone through life?
I certainly started out on the left of politics as a Labour voter as a student and then I drifted to centre/left of the Conservative party once in the place of work and trying to buy a house and realising that I was one of the poor buggers being invited to bankroll any election promise! Post brexit I am definitely now drifting back to the liberal left and will vote Liberal Democrat at this General Election.
I think the one consistent thing with my position whether voting Labour, Conservative or now LibDem has always been small 'l' liberalism, stuff like being willing to respect and accept behaviour or opinions different from my own is something I try hard to do.
Just musing on things, we all have our positions on here which we defend as though they are in our DNA but I bet I am not the only one to have changed down the years?
All said with the knowledge I am stepping dangerously out of line inviting people to come back with some honesty about their possible changed or changing positions ?!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 20, 2017 13:39:06 GMT
Good start from Jezza today Might be an interesting campaign if the media are fair. May needs to bring more to the table than the 'safe pair of hands' line. Could get a bit dull and trite over a 6 week period. "Dodged hard questions reasonably eloquently" As one of the replies to that tweet ask's..... If Jeremy Can't Win really is PM material why is dodging hard questions? How about this one.......
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 20, 2017 13:43:20 GMT
Anyone else prepared to admit to changing their political views as they have gone through life? I certainly started out on the left of politics as a Labour voter as a student and then I drifted to centre/left of the Conservative party once in the place of work and trying to buy a house and realising that I was one of the poor buggers being invited to bankroll any election promise! Post brexit I am definitely now drifting back to the liberal left and will vote Liberal Democrat at this Genreal Election. I think the one consistent thing with my position whether voting Labour, Conservative or now LibDem has always been small 'l' liberalism, stuff like being willing to respect and accept behaviour or opinions different from my own is something I try hard to do. Just musing on things, we all have our positions on here which we defend as though they are in our DNA but I bet I am not the only one to have changed down the years? All said with the knowledge I am stepping dangerously out of line inviting people to come back with some honesty about their possible changed or changing positions ?! I started out as a classic social democrat in the 1970s i.e. mixed economy, pro welfare state, pro N.A.T.O and independent nuclear deterrent. But, what has changed since then is that many of our big manufacturing companies have gone. So, you can't assume job creation and low unemployment is guaranteed. Therefore, I am more sympathetic to SMEs and the self employed. It is easy to forget that many of the 20th century giants started in the 19th century as a few employees e.g.Cadbury's. I'll be voting Labour as I've got a good, moderate Labour M.P. who has worked tirelessly locally since 1992. If I lived in Tory- Lib Dem marginal I might vote Lib Dem because if the Tories are bad now they'll be 100 times worse with a big majority!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 20, 2017 13:51:03 GMT
Good start from Jezza today Might be an interesting campaign if the media are fair. May needs to bring more to the table than the 'safe pair of hands' line. Could get a bit dull and trite over a 6 week period. "Dodged hard questions reasonably eloquently" As one of the replies to that tweet ask's..... If Jeremy Can't Win really is PM material why is dodging hard questions? How about this one....... Bit different from Chicken May who has completely refused to take questions at her unofficial launch, has refused TV debates etc. It's almost like she has has something to hide, like her abysmal record, her lack of honesty, her lack of campaigning skills. Seems Sir (if ever you needed proof that the honours system is rancid) Lynton Crosby's tactic is going to hide a bit, talk about nothing except vacuous dogshit about Brexit and point at the nasty man over there.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 20, 2017 14:06:59 GMT
Anyone else prepared to admit to changing their political views as they have gone through life? I certainly started out on the left of politics as a Labour voter as a student and then I drifted to centre/left of the Conservative party once in the place of work and trying to buy a house and realising that I was one of the poor buggers being invited to bankroll any election promise! Post brexit I am definitely now drifting back to the liberal left and will vote Liberal Democrat at this Genreal Election. I think the one consistent thing with my position whether voting Labour, Conservative or now LibDem has always been small 'l' liberalism, stuff like being willing to respect and accept behaviour or opinions different from my own is something I try hard to do. Just musing on things, we all have our positions on here which we defend as though they are in our DNA but I bet I am not the only one to have changed down the years? All said with the knowledge I am stepping dangerously out of line inviting people to come back with some honesty about their possible changed or changing positions ?! isnt it hereditary
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 20, 2017 14:18:01 GMT
"Dodged hard questions reasonably eloquently" As one of the replies to that tweet ask's..... If Jeremy Can't Win really is PM material why is dodging hard questions? How about this one....... Bit different from Chicken May who has completely refused to take questions at her unofficial launch, has refused TV debates etc. It's almost like she has has something to hide, like her abysmal record, her lack of honesty, her lack of campaigning skills. Seems Sir (if ever you needed proof that the honours system is rancid) Lynton Crosby's tactic is going to hide a bit, talk about nothing except vacuous dogshit about Brexit and point at the nasty man over there. Ha ha, is "Chicken May" a thing now?? Refused TV debates !?! Waste of fucking time, she'd gain more respect by not doing them. Soundbite, prime time, populist light entertainment that gave us Nick Clegg as Deputy Prime Minister because of a shiny suit.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 20, 2017 14:25:57 GMT
Bit different from Chicken May who has completely refused to take questions at her unofficial launch, has refused TV debates etc. It's almost like she has has something to hide, like her abysmal record, her lack of honesty, her lack of campaigning skills. Seems Sir (if ever you needed proof that the honours system is rancid) Lynton Crosby's tactic is going to hide a bit, talk about nothing except vacuous dogshit about Brexit and point at the nasty man over there. Ha ha, is "Chicken May" a thing now?? Refused TV debates !?! Waste of fucking time, she'd gain more respect by not doing them. Soundbite, prime time, populist light entertainment that gave us Nick Clegg as Deputy Prime Minister because of a shiny suit. No! What gave us Nick Clegg as Deputy P.M. was David Cameron giving him that job! You remember him? Cameron, the man who called you anti E.U. lot 'fruitcakes and loons'!
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Post by Gods on Apr 20, 2017 14:29:25 GMT
"Dodged hard questions reasonably eloquently" As one of the replies to that tweet ask's..... If Jeremy Can't Win really is PM material why is dodging hard questions? How about this one....... Bit different from Chicken May who has completely refused to take questions at her unofficial launch, has refused TV debates etc. It's almost like she has has something to hide, like her abysmal record, her lack of honesty, her lack of campaigning skills. Seems Sir (if ever you needed proof that the honours system is rancid) Lynton Crosby's tactic is going to hide a bit, talk about nothing except vacuous dogshit about Brexit and point at the nasty man over there. She is dodging the TV debate because she knows she is very wooden and Jeremy is a bit of a character and given she has everything to lose and nothing to gain her advisors will be telling her it makes no sense. It's a shame though, the Tory campaign will simply comprise set speeches with a pre-invited cheerleader style audience and some planted stories in their pet newspapers. It's the public who will lose out, but this election isn't really about us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 14:46:14 GMT
yeh corbyn is going to romp home
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 20, 2017 14:53:08 GMT
Bit different from Chicken May who has completely refused to take questions at her unofficial launch, has refused TV debates etc. It's almost like she has has something to hide, like her abysmal record, her lack of honesty, her lack of campaigning skills. Seems Sir (if ever you needed proof that the honours system is rancid) Lynton Crosby's tactic is going to hide a bit, talk about nothing except vacuous dogshit about Brexit and point at the nasty man over there. Ha ha, is "Chicken May" a thing now?? Refused TV debates !?! Waste of fucking time, she'd gain more respect by not doing them. Soundbite, prime time, populist light entertainment that gave us Nick Clegg as Deputy Prime Minister because of a shiny suit. TV debates are a thing though. In this country now and have been around the world for years. I hope old clucker keeps her 'heroic stance' up though because it looks like ITV will 'empty chair' her and that could have devastating consequences.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 20, 2017 15:14:34 GMT
Ha ha, is "Chicken May" a thing now?? Refused TV debates !?! Waste of fucking time, she'd gain more respect by not doing them. Soundbite, prime time, populist light entertainment that gave us Nick Clegg as Deputy Prime Minister because of a shiny suit. TV debates are a thing though. In this country now and have been around the world for years. I hope old clucker keeps her 'heroic stance' up though because it looks like ITV will 'empty chair' her and that could have devastating consequences. Are bookmakers giving odds on Clucker doing a u-turn on the t.v. debates? She does have previous, you know!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 20, 2017 15:31:01 GMT
Ha ha, is "Chicken May" a thing now?? Refused TV debates !?! Waste of fucking time, she'd gain more respect by not doing them. Soundbite, prime time, populist light entertainment that gave us Nick Clegg as Deputy Prime Minister because of a shiny suit. TV debates are a thing though. In this country now and have been around the world for years. I hope old clucker keeps her 'heroic stance' up though because it looks like ITV will 'empty chair' her and that could have devastating consequences. TV debates came from America a couple of GE's ago. Who cares? She's a strong PM who stepped up to plate when Cameron scarpered. She provided decisive leadership when all others were panicking after the referendum. She delivered 12 brilliant Brexit points last year (6 of which Starmer's nicked) then promised and delivered A50 by the end of March. She hasn't flinched from all the doom and gloom coming from the EU. She lead by example meeting the new US President to much criticism from other World leaders who have since meekly made the same pilgrimage. She's been battered by you and yours about 'not having a mandate' and 'nobody voted for her' and she's been hamstrung by inheriting the Cameron/Osbourne pre-Brexit manifesto. Well, here we go. You wanted a GE now you've got one. A popular PM who will be stronger after June the 8th. Being 'empty chaired' won't have "devastating consequences". There's only you who thinks anyone would be bothered that the PM of the 6th biggest economy in the World doesn't stand on a wooden stage with Sturgeon, Farron, Lucas, Nuttall and Corbyn. Talk about a chimps tea party. Well, you and this idiot.........
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 20, 2017 15:38:42 GMT
Ha ha, is "Chicken May" a thing now?? Refused TV debates !?! Waste of fucking time, she'd gain more respect by not doing them. Soundbite, prime time, populist light entertainment that gave us Nick Clegg as Deputy Prime Minister because of a shiny suit. Cameron, the man who called you anti E.U. lot 'fruitcakes and loons'! Wow, You mean he actually got something right. I suppose even a broken clock... Yadder, Yadder, Yadder...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 20, 2017 15:39:53 GMT
TV debates are a thing though. In this country now and have been around the world for years. I hope old clucker keeps her 'heroic stance' up though because it looks like ITV will 'empty chair' her and that could have devastating consequences. TV debates came from America a couple of GE's ago. Who cares? She's a strong PM who stepped up to plate when Cameron scarpered. She provided decisive leadership when all others were panicking after the referendum. She delivered 12 brilliant Brexit points last year (6 of which Starmer's nicked) then promised, and delivered A50 by the end of March. She hasn't flinched from the all the doom and gloom coming from the EU. She lead by example meeting the new US President to much criticism from other World leaders who have since meekly made the same pilgrimage. She's been battered by you and yours about 'not having a mandate' and 'nobody voted for her' and she's been hamstrung by inheriting the Cameron/Osbourne pre-Brexit manifesto. Well, here we go. You wanted a GE now you've got one. A popular PM who will be stronger after June the 8th. Being 'empty chaired' won't have "devastating consequences". There's only you who thinks anyone would be bothered that the PM of the 6th biggest economy in the World doesn't stand on a wooden stage with Sturgeon, Farron, Lucas, Nuttall and Corbyn. Talk about a chimps tea party. Well, you and this idiot......... She and the Conservative Party would look like what they are if they empty chair. Snivelling cowards who have a contempt for the electorate. There will be a compromise similar to when Cameron ducked out of directly debating with Milliband. The fact is the Tories don't want any debate on their record this past 7 years....for very understandable reasons.
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Post by Mendicant on Apr 20, 2017 16:07:27 GMT
TV debates are a thing though. In this country now and have been around the world for years. I hope old clucker keeps her 'heroic stance' up though because it looks like ITV will 'empty chair' her and that could have devastating consequences. TV debates came from America a couple of GE's ago. Who cares? She's a strong PM who stepped up to plate when Cameron scarpered. She provided decisive leadership when all others were panicking after the referendum. She delivered 12 brilliant Brexit points last year (6 of which Starmer's nicked) then promised and delivered A50 by the end of March. She hasn't flinched from all the doom and gloom coming from the EU. She lead by example meeting the new US President to much criticism from other World leaders who have since meekly made the same pilgrimage. She's been battered by you and yours about 'not having a mandate' and 'nobody voted for her' and she's been hamstrung by inheriting the Cameron/Osbourne pre-Brexit manifesto. Well, here we go. You wanted a GE now you've got one. A popular PM who will be stronger after June the 8th. Being 'empty chaired' won't have "devastating consequences". There's only you who thinks anyone would be bothered that the PM of the 6th biggest economy in the World doesn't stand on a wooden stage with Sturgeon, Farron, Lucas, Nuttall and Corbyn. Talk about a chimps tea party. Well, you and this idiot......... Nicola Sturgeon is a poisonous little troll. She will push the envelope of nationalism to its limit before it looks like blatant contempt of the English.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 20, 2017 16:14:16 GMT
TV debates came from America a couple of GE's ago. Who cares? She's a strong PM who stepped up to plate when Cameron scarpered. She provided decisive leadership when all others were panicking after the referendum. She delivered 12 brilliant Brexit points last year (6 of which Starmer's nicked) then promised, and delivered A50 by the end of March. She hasn't flinched from the all the doom and gloom coming from the EU. She lead by example meeting the new US President to much criticism from other World leaders who have since meekly made the same pilgrimage. She's been battered by you and yours about 'not having a mandate' and 'nobody voted for her' and she's been hamstrung by inheriting the Cameron/Osbourne pre-Brexit manifesto. Well, here we go. You wanted a GE now you've got one. A popular PM who will be stronger after June the 8th. Being 'empty chaired' won't have "devastating consequences". There's only you who thinks anyone would be bothered that the PM of the 6th biggest economy in the World doesn't stand on a wooden stage with Sturgeon, Farron, Lucas, Nuttall and Corbyn. Talk about a chimps tea party. Well, you and this idiot......... She and the Conservative Party would look like what they are if they empty chair. Snivelling cowards who have a contempt for the electorate. There will be a compromise similar to when Cameron ducked out of directly debating with Milliband. The fact is the Tories don't want any debate on their record this past 7 years....for very understandable reasons. I'd imagine an hour of Tim and Jezza in prime time would add a few more points to May's 54% rating and the Tories 46% rating.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 20, 2017 16:21:59 GMT
TV debates came from America a couple of GE's ago. Who cares? She's a strong PM who stepped up to plate when Cameron scarpered. She provided decisive leadership when all others were panicking after the referendum. She delivered 12 brilliant Brexit points last year (6 of which Starmer's nicked) then promised, and delivered A50 by the end of March. She hasn't flinched from the all the doom and gloom coming from the EU. She lead by example meeting the new US President to much criticism from other World leaders who have since meekly made the same pilgrimage. She's been battered by you and yours about 'not having a mandate' and 'nobody voted for her' and she's been hamstrung by inheriting the Cameron/Osbourne pre-Brexit manifesto. Well, here we go. You wanted a GE now you've got one. A popular PM who will be stronger after June the 8th. Being 'empty chaired' won't have "devastating consequences". There's only you who thinks anyone would be bothered that the PM of the 6th biggest economy in the World doesn't stand on a wooden stage with Sturgeon, Farron, Lucas, Nuttall and Corbyn. Talk about a chimps tea party. Well, you and this idiot......... She and the Conservative Party would look like what they are if they empty chair. Snivelling cowards who have a contempt for the electorate. There will be a compromise similar to when Cameron ducked out of directly debating with Milliband. The fact is the Tories don't want any debate on their record this past 7 years....for very understandable reasons. May 'debates' Jeremy Can't-Win every Wednesday at PMQ's. I don't need a studio set, Dimbo and some pre-arranged questions to help me think. Actually if the debate includes Sturgeon, Farron, Corbyn, Lucas and Nuttall, I'd rather listen to the fucking chair.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 20, 2017 16:45:28 GMT
She and the Conservative Party would look like what they are if they empty chair. Snivelling cowards who have a contempt for the electorate. There will be a compromise similar to when Cameron ducked out of directly debating with Milliband. The fact is the Tories don't want any debate on their record this past 7 years....for very understandable reasons. I'd imagine an hour of Tim and Jezza in prime time would add a few more points to May's 54% rating and the Tories 46% rating. I would suggest that Chicken May with her new pudding basin hair-do is already losing ground...
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 20, 2017 16:48:07 GMT
She and the Conservative Party would look like what they are if they empty chair. Snivelling cowards who have a contempt for the electorate. There will be a compromise similar to when Cameron ducked out of directly debating with Milliband. The fact is the Tories don't want any debate on their record this past 7 years....for very understandable reasons. May 'debates' Jeremy Can't-Win every Wednesday at PMQ's. I don't need a studio set, Dimbo and some pre-arranged questions to help me think. Actually if the debate includes Sturgeon, Farron, Corbyn, Lucas and Nuttall, I'd rather listen to the fucking chair. You "don't need a studio set, Dimbo and seem pre-arranged questions to help me think." No, but a frontal lobotomy would go a bloody long way to help!
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 20, 2017 17:06:03 GMT
I'd imagine an hour of Tim and Jezza in prime time would add a few more points to May's 54% rating and the Tories 46% rating. I would suggest that Chicken May with her new pudding basin hair-do is already losing ground... You'd be wrong then as these are polls after election was called, 12 Labour MP' s already stood down isn't it. And denied rumours anti establishment Jezza's 25 year old son who was already chief of staff for McDonnell may be lined up to be an MP, good job he's not a Tory doing stuff like that.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 20, 2017 17:30:15 GMT
Tristam Hunt " hindsight is a wonderful thing "
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 20, 2017 17:52:22 GMT
I would suggest that Chicken May with her new pudding basin hair-do is already losing ground... You'd be wrong then as these are polls after election was called, 12 Labour MP' s already stood down isn't it. And denied rumours anti establishment Jezza's 25 year old son who was already chief of staff for McDonnell may be lined up to be an MP, good job he's not a Tory doing stuff like that. There are more than one party for the Inspiral Hair-do'd Chicken May to lose ground to...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 20, 2017 18:31:48 GMT
That's the problem, people are not listening and forming opinion from the Daily Mail. No the problem is people like you assuming anyone who doesn't vote Corbyn is a thick daily mail reader. You can't polish a turd people just don't like or trust Corbyn lifelong Labour strongholds like Sunderland and middlesboro seen set to turn blue. Today Lady Nugee was sent out to tell everyone how Labour will take on the elite whilst rubbishing McDonnell's policy announced yesterday off higher taxes on salaries over 70k, project catastrofuck strikes again. I've better things to do with my time than argue with an idiot like yourself. Meanwhile Mrs May runs scared of TV and public, 20 MP's under investigation are allowed to stand. What a fucking shambles.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 20, 2017 18:33:11 GMT
Good start from Jezza today Might be an interesting campaign if the media are fair. May needs to bring more to the table than the 'safe pair of hands' line. Could get a bit dull and trite over a 6 week period. "Dodged hard questions reasonably eloquently" As one of the replies to that tweet ask's..... If Jeremy Can't Win really is PM material why is dodging hard questions? How about this one....... At least he's taking questions Rog, unlike your heroine Mrs May.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 20, 2017 18:54:28 GMT
She and the Conservative Party would look like what they are if they empty chair. Snivelling cowards who have a contempt for the electorate. There will be a compromise similar to when Cameron ducked out of directly debating with Milliband. The fact is the Tories don't want any debate on their record this past 7 years....for very understandable reasons. May 'debates' Jeremy Can't-Win every Wednesday at PMQ's. I don't need a studio set, Dimbo and some pre-arranged questions to help me think. Actually if the debate includes Sturgeon, Farron, Corbyn, Lucas and Nuttall, I'd rather listen to the fucking chair. She takes him on with exceedingly mixed results. Corbyn is an idiot we're told by you, Rog. What's she scared her of? Only one conclusion really isn't there? Her pitiful record in office and her fear of being exposed for what she is.
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Post by Mendicant on Apr 20, 2017 19:07:20 GMT
May 'debates' Jeremy Can't-Win every Wednesday at PMQ's. I don't need a studio set, Dimbo and some pre-arranged questions to help me think. Actually if the debate includes Sturgeon, Farron, Corbyn, Lucas and Nuttall, I'd rather listen to the fucking chair. She takes him on with exceedingly mixed results. Corbyn is an idiot we're told by upu Rog. What's she scared her off? Only one conclusion really isn't there? Her pitiful record in office and her her fear of being exposed for what she is. Momo, has Benji ghost written that for you mate? If so, what does he charge?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 20, 2017 19:13:01 GMT
She takes him on with exceedingly mixed results. Corbyn is an idiot we're told by upu Rog. What's she scared her off? Only one conclusion really isn't there? Her pitiful record in office and her her fear of being exposed for what she is. Momo, has Benji ghost written that for you mate? If so, what does he charge? Amended! In short, if Corbyn is such a bunglecunt what is the cynical May's problem with taking him on? This wont go away.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 20, 2017 19:30:07 GMT
Momo, has Benji ghost written that for you mate? If so, what does he charge? Amended! In short, if Corbyn is such a bunglecunt what is the cynical May's problem with taking him on? This wont go away. Mixed results? You mean shit results.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 20, 2017 20:02:19 GMT
Some other rumours of her resigning on health grounds. After all her God is a Tory blather over the Easter weekend I presume its mental health grounds. She has type 1 diabetes was an article by Dan Hodges yesterday saying she isn't that fussed about being Prime Minister and will quit once Brexit is complete, ironic really popular with the party and the public yet will walk away from power and then Dear Old Jezza unpopular with the party and public yet clinging onto non-power for grim death. Of course, she will walk after her Tory Brexit shambles! Just like Eden walked after Suez, Macmillan walked after Profumo, Thatcher walked after The Poll Tax, Cameron walked after the Referendum shambles he told E.U. leaders he would win by 20%! Popular? In 12 months she's delivered the square root of sweet fuck all! We'll see how popular she is in 10 years time when we can evaluate what she has done! That's why we're being asked to vote now before we can see the results of her Brexit!
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 20, 2017 20:19:20 GMT
She has type 1 diabetes was an article by Dan Hodges yesterday saying she isn't that fussed about being Prime Minister and will quit once Brexit is complete, ironic really popular with the party and the public yet will walk away from power and then Dear Old Jezza unpopular with the party and public yet clinging onto non-power for grim death. Of course, she will walk after her Tory Brexit shambles! Just like Eden walked after Suez, Macmillan walked after Profumo, Thatcher walked after The Poll Tax, Cameron walked after the Referendum shambles he told E.U. leaders he would win by 20%! Popular? In 12 months she's delivered the square root of sweet fuck all! We'll see how popular she is in 10 years time when we can evaluate what she has done! That's why we're being asked to vote now before we can see the results of her Brexit! She has handed the people another vote before Brexit really starts in earnest, all those moaning whinging and basically crying because of the referendum result now have the chance to stop the process, best bet would be for you and the rest of the moaners is to vote Liberal, I can see a hung parliament with Jezza, Wee Jimmy Wanky, Gerry terrorist Adams and nice but dim Tim Farron cobbling a rag bag coalition together running the country , now that would be interesting much better than Chicken May
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