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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 19, 2017 20:28:10 GMT
Is the irony lost on everyone? had the Labour Party ditched Corbyn and had a new age right of left leader, they would be sitting pretty at the moment. I would love to vote Labour, its in my blood but I can not vote for a party with this wanker in charge. I just cant.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 19, 2017 20:28:11 GMT
The turnout will be lower, and the voters who don't vote will more than likely be people who voted for Brexit, but... Tories who voted for Brexit will vote Tory. Tories who voted Remain will still vote Tory (They only voted Remain 'cos they still wanted the cheap labour to clean their homes & wash their cars. They're not going to abandon Tory policies & give a vote to a party who want to help the great unwashed) Labour voters who voted Remain will still vote Labour, although some will break off & vote LibDem. Labour voters who voted for Brexit will have no-one who represents them & vote for no-one. So the Tories will gain some seats, LibDems might gain a couple of seats, Labour will lose lots of seats. Who will the 2015 UKIP voters vote for? I'm undecided but have defo ruled out the lib dems and labour. As a former labour voter for years, I suppose I'm the sort of voter Corbyn needs to win back to gain power. That I'd rather vote Tory says it all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 20:29:50 GMT
Probably their turn after 7 vicious years of right wing austerity have hit those with nothing the hardest. Indeed, I think this is one of the most important elections there has been in a generation. A big tory majority will spell disaster for the future of this country. Swiveled eyed right wing loons will be given total freedom to build their right wing utopia without any checks and balances, especially now that we are out of Europe. That means no protection for; The NHS, public services, workers rights (including sick pay, holiday pay maternity/paternity rights, redundancy rights, right to representation in the workplace), trade unions laws, the list is endless. And this lot would sell their own grandmother for a fiver, just imagine the promises Fox, Davies and Johnson will make to some foreign despot to land some grubby trade deal. Your rights mean fuck all to them. All these rights have been hard fought for and these bastards want them back. Corbyn has got his hands full with a sycophantic, lipspittle right wing press ( I heard today, on radio 5, that ALL voters in Sunderland want a "safe pair of hands" with May, jesus you couldn't make this shit up) The rabid right are slavering at the mouth, they can't wait to get their teeth into us. Corbyn is offering an alternative and you can only hope, for the future of this country, if the normal working man/women listens to him and not all the white noise that surrounds him, he might have a chance. So if you believe in a Britain as a sovereign nation you are a right wing loon? Fuck me someone should have told Tony benn and george Galloway what they stood for
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Post by lordb on Apr 19, 2017 20:35:52 GMT
Is the irony lost on everyone? had the Labour Party ditched Corbyn and had a new age right of left leader, they would be sitting pretty at the moment. I would love to vote Labour, its in my blood but I can not vote for a party with this wanker in charge. I just cant. They would struggle to do worse but given they have lost 50 seats in Scotland they will require a Tory disaster (like the last year's of the Major government) to stand any chance of winning. Once the boundary changes kick in at the end of 2017 that's another 20 seats permanently lost for Labour. Honestly can't see a different party gaining power for decades.
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 19, 2017 20:39:59 GMT
Is the irony lost on everyone? had the Labour Party ditched Corbyn and had a new age right of left leader, they would be sitting pretty at the moment. I would love to vote Labour, its in my blood but I can not vote for a party with this wanker in charge. I just cant. They would struggle to do worse but given they have lost 50 seats in Scotland they will require a Tory disaster (like the last year's of the Major government) to stand any chance of winning. Once the boundary changes kick in at the end of 2017 that's another 20 seats permanently lost for Labour. Honestly can't see a different party gaining power for decades. I disagree, I think that this election will be a Tory landslide, the one after Labour will win at a canter so long as they appoint the right leader. Corbin is not a party leader and absolutely not a prime minister, dianne abbot and his bum china need to step aside and let the party rise and create an effective opposition. The SNP will fall by the way side if Labour get an electable leader.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 20:48:09 GMT
They would struggle to do worse but given they have lost 50 seats in Scotland they will require a Tory disaster (like the last year's of the Major government) to stand any chance of winning. Once the boundary changes kick in at the end of 2017 that's another 20 seats permanently lost for Labour. Honestly can't see a different party gaining power for decades. I disagree, I think that this election will be a Tory landslide, the one after Labour will win at a canter so long as they appoint the right leader. Corbin is not a party leader and absolutely not a prime minister, dianne abbot and his bum china need to step aside and let the party rise and create an effective opposition. The SNP will fall by the way side if Labour get an electable leader. That's unlikely to happen in Scotland for sometime if ever .......Labour stands little chance of a resurgence up there .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 20:53:11 GMT
Had enough of this election bumf already!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 20:55:20 GMT
Had enough of this election bumf already! Only seven long weeks to go
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Post by lommack on Apr 19, 2017 20:59:51 GMT
Is the irony lost on everyone? had the Labour Party ditched Corbyn and had a new age right of left leader, they would be sitting pretty at the moment. I would love to vote Labour, its in my blood but I can not vote for a party with this wanker in charge. I just cant. Why is he a wanker? Is it that he because he doesn't agree with the ongoing privatisation of the NHS? Is it that he agrees that there should be a massive investment in social housing instead of propping up millionaire landlords? Is it that he wants to ensure a decent education to all schoolkids, not just the top 20-30% whose parents can afford extra tuition and who know the secret handshake? Is it that he wants to tax the multi billion pound companies effectively and not donate £700-800 million to companies that pick on disabled folk? Is it that he wants a minimum wage that is worth earning? So the benefit system doesn't have to "prop up" multi nationals etc. etc. etc. I'll wait for the terrorist loving, baby eater Daily Mail bollocks reply from the usual suspects. Try listening to what he actually says, not to what you are told he has said. He certainly sounds like Labour to me
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Post by salopstick on Apr 19, 2017 21:04:09 GMT
Will Tim "is being gay a sin? Farron hurt the lib dem resurgence?
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 19, 2017 21:05:56 GMT
Is the irony lost on everyone? had the Labour Party ditched Corbyn and had a new age right of left leader, they would be sitting pretty at the moment. I would love to vote Labour, its in my blood but I can not vote for a party with this wanker in charge. I just cant. Why is he a wanker? Is it that he because he doesn't agree with the ongoing privatisation of the NHS? Is it that he agrees that there should be a massive investment in social housing instead of propping up millionaire landlords? Is it that he wants to ensure a decent education to all schoolkids, not just the top 20-30% whose parents can afford extra tuition and who know the secret handshake? Is it that he wants to tax the multi billion pound companies effectively and not donate £700-800 million to companies that pick on disabled folk? Is it that he wants a minimum wage that is worth earning? So the benefit system doesn't have to "prop up" multi nationals etc. etc. etc. I'll wait for the terrorist loving, baby eater Daily Mail bollocks reply from the usual suspects. Try listening to what he actually says, not to what you are told he has said. He certainly sounds like Labour to me I can't vote for any one that wants to scrap our nuclear deterrent, not in an age where even the most rouge of states have access to such weapons. I can not vote for a man that has openly condoned anti sematism, a man that has spent his career wanting out of Europe, to abandon his principles because of some skewed agenda, I can not vote for a man that can not gain any traction against Theresa May at PMQs and I can not vote for someone that has no authority over his own party. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for disaster, his own party won't back him so why should the electorate?
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Post by salopstick on Apr 19, 2017 21:20:39 GMT
Why is he a wanker? Is it that he because he doesn't agree with the ongoing privatisation of the NHS? Is it that he agrees that there should be a massive investment in social housing instead of propping up millionaire landlords? Is it that he wants to ensure a decent education to all schoolkids, not just the top 20-30% whose parents can afford extra tuition and who know the secret handshake? Is it that he wants to tax the multi billion pound companies effectively and not donate £700-800 million to companies that pick on disabled folk? Is it that he wants a minimum wage that is worth earning? So the benefit system doesn't have to "prop up" multi nationals etc. etc. etc. I'll wait for the terrorist loving, baby eater Daily Mail bollocks reply from the usual suspects. Try listening to what he actually says, not to what you are told he has said. He certainly sounds like Labour to me I can't vote for any one that wants to scrap our nuclear deterrent, not in an age where even the most rouge of states have access to such weapons. I can not vote for a man that has openly condoned anti sematism, a man that has spent his career wanting out of Europe, to abandon his principles because of some skewed agenda, I can not vote for a man that can not gain any traction against Theresa May at PMQs and I can not vote for someone that has no authority over his own party. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for disaster, his own party won't back him so why should the electorate? His own party won't back him so why should the electorate This election in a nutshell
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 19, 2017 21:31:56 GMT
Is the irony lost on everyone? had the Labour Party ditched Corbyn and had a new age right of left leader, they would be sitting pretty at the moment. I would love to vote Labour, its in my blood but I can not vote for a party with this wanker in charge. I just cant. I agree and I've always voted labour this time I'm not
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 21:41:27 GMT
Is the irony lost on everyone? had the Labour Party ditched Corbyn and had a new age right of left leader, they would be sitting pretty at the moment. I would love to vote Labour, its in my blood but I can not vote for a party with this wanker in charge. I just cant. I agree and I've always voted labour this time I'm not I'm no Labour supporter , but it's sad when this happens to a major political party .....it's not a good thing when one party in government doesn't have a valid opposition to keep it on its toes so to speak .....sadly self inflicted .
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 19, 2017 21:51:50 GMT
Is the irony lost on everyone? had the Labour Party ditched Corbyn and had a new age right of left leader, they would be sitting pretty at the moment. I would love to vote Labour, its in my blood but I can not vote for a party with this wanker in charge. I just cant. Always voted Labour general and local until the last election totally jumped the divide and voted UKIP, the unions have fucked the Labour party with backing the wrong brother and compounded that by backing Corbyn how out of touch are these dinosaurs, if the spineless twat had stood by his anti EU career long stance he maybe would have retained some semblance of credibility, he caved in man of integrity my arse hypocritical IRA supporting charlatan.
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Post by stockportstokie on Apr 19, 2017 21:53:28 GMT
Bloody hell you feel worried for the life of Labour but then you realise it's the same saddo's repeating their drivel over & over again.
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Post by hammered on Apr 19, 2017 21:56:22 GMT
May calls cynical, strategic election (shocker), kept her reasoning (for the election) simple and by default allows the electorate to judge her post BREXIT Ref performance, as well as that of the limp-wristed (no original ideas at all) opposition who can all have their own personal Referendums. Seems their continued bleating and blocking of the process to re-claim our freedom, plus for May, "it’d be stupid not to", brought this on.
Corbyn, who I still don’t know where he (or Labour) really sits on Brexit - will his party unite ? Is he electable? I don’t think so. People still remember Labour printing jobs, selling the gold, broken promises and the banking crisis, as well as a few (wars) along the way (Blair). Right now Corbyn needs to be the patsy for Labour through Brexit when maybe like after WW2, there were different needs and an instant change of Goverment and direction. He’d be better off embracing Article 50 (the will of the majority) and get on with outlining a realistic post Brexit strategy rather than bleat the same social utopia pitch (knowing it can’t be afforded and he’ll never get the chance anyway). Now is not Labours time.
Farron’s plying Project Fear MK11 clinging to the vain hope there’s enough prepared to treat this as EU Ref 2. He needs to, it’s the Lib Dem’s USP cause he has no real policies of note. But he’s either still deluded enough to think there’s a deal to be done with the EU – when there isn’t and they won’t or a professional Establishment spoiler. Hard or soft doesn’t exist - market forces will decide. Can still see them picking up a few Remain seats but I just wish the fucker would shut-up.
Nuttal’s been surprisingly quiet (so far) – I guess because he’s not a leader but a closet Tory, and so far they’re walking the walk – could see a drop in the UKIP vote to boost Tories maybe? Nige needs to return to repeat their performance.
Sturgeon is in the shitter (IMO); her raison d’être as Queen of Scots who re-claimed the Jocks from the filthy English will be her undoing as her populous likely treat this vote as Indy Ref 2 anyway.
It’s going to be fascinating watching this simmer and boil as each faction likely sinks to new lows spinning their agendas but what frightens me most, is the thought (however unlikely) of Corbyn, Farron & Sturgeon collectively holding the balance of power, which would literally paralyse anything getting done, although if we’re to believe the polls, then it’s fait accompli May will have snuffed out the remaining bad smells and can crack on getting us free of the disintegrating political trading cartel and Kalergi social experiment called the EU.
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Post by lommack on Apr 19, 2017 22:00:35 GMT
Why is he a wanker? Is it that he because he doesn't agree with the ongoing privatisation of the NHS? Is it that he agrees that there should be a massive investment in social housing instead of propping up millionaire landlords? Is it that he wants to ensure a decent education to all schoolkids, not just the top 20-30% whose parents can afford extra tuition and who know the secret handshake? Is it that he wants to tax the multi billion pound companies effectively and not donate £700-800 million to companies that pick on disabled folk? Is it that he wants a minimum wage that is worth earning? So the benefit system doesn't have to "prop up" multi nationals etc. etc. etc. I'll wait for the terrorist loving, baby eater Daily Mail bollocks reply from the usual suspects. Try listening to what he actually says, not to what you are told he has said. He certainly sounds like Labour to me I can't vote for any one that wants to scrap our nuclear deterrent, not in an age where even the most rouge of states have access to such weapons. I can not vote for a man that has openly condoned anti sematism, a man that has spent his career wanting out of Europe, to abandon his principles because of some skewed agenda, I can not vote for a man that can not gain any traction against Theresa May at PMQs and I can not vote for someone that has no authority over his own party. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for disaster, his own party won't back him so why should the electorate? A real Labour supporter wouldn't prop this lot up for another 5 years of vicious right wingery (led by someone who campaigned and voted to remain and then became a hard brexiteer, abandoning principles?) . That I do know
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 19, 2017 22:01:07 GMT
Is the irony lost on everyone? had the Labour Party ditched Corbyn and had a new age right of left leader, they would be sitting pretty at the moment. I would love to vote Labour, its in my blood but I can not vote for a party with this wanker in charge. I just cant. Always voted Labour general and local until the last election totally jumped the divide and voted UKIP, the unions have fucked the Labour party with backing the wrong brother and compounded that by backing Corbyn how out of touch are these dinosaurs, if the spineless twat had stood by his anti EU career long stance he maybe would have retained some semblance of credibility, he caved in man of integrity my arse hypocritical IRA supporting charlatan. Corbyn being elected was not solely to do with the unions. It was the changes in membership voting that got him into the leadership position. The block vote that got Ed elected was replaced by a one man/one vote system where affiliates could vote for whoever they wanted. Had the old electoral college system been in place, Corbyn may have found life a bit more difficult in being elected leader.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 19, 2017 22:01:15 GMT
They would struggle to do worse but given they have lost 50 seats in Scotland they will require a Tory disaster (like the last year's of the Major government) to stand any chance of winning. Once the boundary changes kick in at the end of 2017 that's another 20 seats permanently lost for Labour. Honestly can't see a different party gaining power for decades. I disagree, I think that this election will be a Tory landslide, the one after Labour will win at a canter so long as they appoint the right leader. Corbin is not a party leader and absolutely not a prime minister, dianne abbot and his bum china need to step aside and let the party rise and create an effective opposition. The SNP will fall by the way side if Labour get an electable leader. I unfortunately think that Labour as we all know it is over as the far left have taken control with all the £3 memberships the ones Kinnock et el kicked out years ago there aim was to destroy the party and they have done what I can see happening is a new democratic (centre party being formed , In my opinion this was what Blair was trying to do however this election has come to soon for a consensus party drawing from all political parties in the centre ground. If you think the Tories have any interest in the working class you are mistaken look at the policies of tax cuts for the rich and tax rises for the poor they have systematically said on the recession " we are all in this together" yet systematically made the poorer in society pay a greater percentage than the rich. Don't forget the promises that Boris, David Davis, Gove etc made in the EU referendum of the 350 million that was going to be pumped into the NHS each week and they actively voted against this in the EU bill before parliament they are at the canter of the government and have consistently lied to get there own way how can we believe anything that they say If the conservatives get there way (and there corporate sponsors) we will end up with a health care system that is the same as the USA where the poor can't afford to get even basic healthcare Please don't forget how the conservatives are funded through big business and rich people who expect something in return Ask yourself this what do I get from there policies and the answer will be not a lot The bankers got us into this financial mess and they are being let off scot free even a few days ago Hammond (chancellor) said The royal bank of Scotland (which we own most of ) is likely to be sold off at a loss Also remember they sold of Gas, Water, Electric. the post office, etc and we got was higher bills and there mates in the city got cheap shares and big dividends at the expense of the working class We have a housing crises due to councils being made to sell off there housing stock at reduced prices and then not allowed to re invest in new houses And why do they want Brexit because they can leave this country if/when this all go's wrong as they have the money to do so and we don't. This is why its hard for me to not support the party that has always supported the working class
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 19, 2017 22:06:51 GMT
I disagree, I think that this election will be a Tory landslide, the one after Labour will win at a canter so long as they appoint the right leader. Corbin is not a party leader and absolutely not a prime minister, dianne abbot and his bum china need to step aside and let the party rise and create an effective opposition. The SNP will fall by the way side if Labour get an electable leader. I unfortunately think that Labour as we all know it is over as the far left have taken control with all the £3 memberships the ones Kinnock et el kicked out years ago there aim was to destroy the party and they have done
what I can see happening is a new democratic (centre party being formed , In my opinion this was what Blair was trying to do however this election has come to soon for a consensus party drawing from all political parties in the centre ground. If you think the Tories have any interest in the working class you are mistaken look at the policies of tax cuts for the rich and tax rises for the poor they have systematically said on the recession " we are all in this together" yet systematically made the poorer in society pay a greater percentage than the rich. Don't forget the promises that Boris, David Davis, Gove etc made in the EU referendum of the 350 million that was going to be pumped into the NHS each week and they actively voted against this in the EU bill before parliament they are at the canter of the government and have consistently lied to get there own way how can we believe anything that they say If the conservatives get there way (and there corporate sponsors) we will end up with a health care system that is the same as the USA where the poor can't afford to get even basic healthcare Please don't forget how the conservatives are funded through big business and rich people who expect something in return Ask yourself this what do I get from there policies and the answer will be not a lot The bankers got us into this financial mess and they are being let off scot free even a few days ago Hammond (chancellor) said The royal bank of Scotland (which we own most of ) is likely to be sold off at a loss Also remember they sold of Gas, Water, Electric. the post office, etc and we got was higher bills and there mates in the city got cheap shares and big dividends at the expense of the working class We have a housing crises due to councils being made to sell off there housing stock at reduced prices and then not allowed to re invest in new houses And why do they want Brexit because they can leave this country if/when this all go's wrong as they have the money to do so and we don't. This is why its hard for me to not support the party that has always supported the working class Nicely summarises the issue I'm having, I'm left of centre, but the driving forces in the party these days are hardline lefties committed to some truly awful policies. The new voting system in Labour leadership dooms any centrist candidate. The Tories are the Tories, they may wear a different face, but they're still the same caustic party they always were. Shite situation, I wasn't around, but politically as hopeless as the 70s.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 19, 2017 22:18:58 GMT
I've campaigned for mark Fisher and the labour candidates around stoke and also Gwyneth Dunwoody who were so called Left wing but I supported all of them this lot are worse with McDonnald a true Marxist who is on record as saying he wants to destroy the party
I think what everyone needs to do is look at the candidate where you are, and see where they actually stand on Corbin look at how there campaign material refers to him or not I know there are great activists in the stoke are for Labour and its them I feel sorry for having to defend Corbin on the doorstep also if a Labour candidate is deselected (by these idiots ) switch you votes to them as Independent candidates and don't forget what they have done for you in the past just because they haven't got the Labour tag they are still the same people you voted for before and have represented you with pride and stood up for stoke
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 19, 2017 22:20:39 GMT
I unfortunately think that Labour as we all know it is over as the far left have taken control with all the £3 memberships the ones Kinnock et el kicked out years ago there aim was to destroy the party and they have done
what I can see happening is a new democratic (centre party being formed , In my opinion this was what Blair was trying to do however this election has come to soon for a consensus party drawing from all political parties in the centre ground. If you think the Tories have any interest in the working class you are mistaken look at the policies of tax cuts for the rich and tax rises for the poor they have systematically said on the recession " we are all in this together" yet systematically made the poorer in society pay a greater percentage than the rich. Don't forget the promises that Boris, David Davis, Gove etc made in the EU referendum of the 350 million that was going to be pumped into the NHS each week and they actively voted against this in the EU bill before parliament they are at the canter of the government and have consistently lied to get there own way how can we believe anything that they say If the conservatives get there way (and there corporate sponsors) we will end up with a health care system that is the same as the USA where the poor can't afford to get even basic healthcare Please don't forget how the conservatives are funded through big business and rich people who expect something in return Ask yourself this what do I get from there policies and the answer will be not a lot The bankers got us into this financial mess and they are being let off scot free even a few days ago Hammond (chancellor) said The royal bank of Scotland (which we own most of ) is likely to be sold off at a loss Also remember they sold of Gas, Water, Electric. the post office, etc and we got was higher bills and there mates in the city got cheap shares and big dividends at the expense of the working class We have a housing crises due to councils being made to sell off there housing stock at reduced prices and then not allowed to re invest in new houses And why do they want Brexit because they can leave this country if/when this all go's wrong as they have the money to do so and we don't. This is why its hard for me to not support the party that has always supported the working class Nicely summarises the issue I'm having, I'm left of centre, but the driving forces in the party these days are hardline lefties committed to some truly awful policies. The new voting system in Labour leadership dooms any centrist candidate. The Tories are the Tories, they may wear a different face, but they're still the same caustic party they always were. Shite situation, I wasn't around, but politically as hopeless as the 70s. What are the shite policies that Labour are coming up with, in your opinion? To me, their policies on the whole are not that bad. The problem seems to be that there hasn't been enough of them, and I'm not sure of their ability to actually implement them if given their chance.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 19, 2017 22:32:57 GMT
Nicely summarises the issue I'm having, I'm left of centre, but the driving forces in the party these days are hardline lefties committed to some truly awful policies. The new voting system in Labour leadership dooms any centrist candidate. The Tories are the Tories, they may wear a different face, but they're still the same caustic party they always were. Shite situation, I wasn't around, but politically as hopeless as the 70s. What are the shite policies that Labour are coming up with, in your opinion? To me, their policies on the whole are not that bad. The problem seems to be that there hasn't been enough of them, and I'm not sure of their ability to actually implement them if given their chance. The complete and utter lack of any form of coherent Brexit strategy? The confusion over what to do with Trident, replace, remove, renovate? What's their take on triple lock pensions, murky spending guarantees for the NHS. McDonnell's dated union policies don't match up with the flexibility of the economy. It's all well and good saying you'll bring back this and that for the unions, but it could actively impede business growth/trigger stagflation. He's just churning up old ground. He's not a radical, he's a relic. They can't make policy, because they're a rabble behind the scenes and are constantly infighting.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 19, 2017 22:37:47 GMT
Is the irony lost on everyone? had the Labour Party ditched Corbyn and had a new age right of left leader, they would be sitting pretty at the moment. I would love to vote Labour, its in my blood but I can not vote for a party with this wanker in charge. I just cant. I take you have never voted Labour then anyway because, John Smith excepted, they have all been bigger wankers than Corbyn. Corbyn has more integrity than Blair and Brown put together. Just remember voting Tory will be the nail in the coffin of the NHS and will be everyone for themselves with private health care as in the USA You cant trust the Tories one bit, they even lied about this election.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 19, 2017 22:44:05 GMT
What are the shite policies that Labour are coming up with, in your opinion? To me, their policies on the whole are not that bad. The problem seems to be that there hasn't been enough of them, and I'm not sure of their ability to actually implement them if given their chance. The complete and utter lack of any form of coherent Brexit strategy? The confusion over what to do with Trident, replace, remove, renovate? What's their take on triple lock pensions, murky spending guarantees for the NHS. McDonnell's dated union policies don't match up with the flexibility of the economy. It's all well and good saying you'll bring back this and that for the unions, but it could actively impede business growth/trigger stagflation. He's just churning up old ground. He's not a radical, he's a relic. They can't make policy, because they're a rabble behind the scenes and are constantly infighting. Labour aren't great though I think they have got 2 or 3 decent policies but the Tories "a woman who keeps her promises has called an election she promised not to, in order to obtain a mandate she says she already has, for a policy she said was a bad idea!" is that a coherent strategy? I'll be voting for whoever can keep the Tories out. I'd like an National Health Service in 5 years thank you very much. I don't want to spend my life savings on health care.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 19, 2017 22:49:43 GMT
The complete and utter lack of any form of coherent Brexit strategy? The confusion over what to do with Trident, replace, remove, renovate? What's their take on triple lock pensions, murky spending guarantees for the NHS. McDonnell's dated union policies don't match up with the flexibility of the economy. It's all well and good saying you'll bring back this and that for the unions, but it could actively impede business growth/trigger stagflation. He's just churning up old ground. He's not a radical, he's a relic. They can't make policy, because they're a rabble behind the scenes and are constantly infighting. Labour aren't great though I think they have got 2 or 3 decent policies but the Tories "a woman who keeps her promises has called an election she promised not to, in order to obtain a mandate she says she already has, for a policy she said was a bad idea!" is that a coherent strategy? I'll be voting for whoever can keep the Tories out. I'd like an National Health Service in 5 years thank you very much. I don't want to spend my life savings on health care. I'm voting for Labour. But I do so in the hope that they'll do the right thing and that Corbyn will step down. Corbyn needs seats more than May, he hasn't got the liberty of being able to rest on his laurels, this is the worst government in terms of organisation I've ever lived under, and yet the opposition can't generate even the slightest bit of momentum (pun intended). I work in the NHS, as I said in my post, the Tories are the same old Tories they always have been and always will be, cutting to the bone and feeding scraps to those affected. I see first hand what they do in hospitals, it's horrific. But they'll get in, and get in well, because of the complete lack of a feasible opposition.
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Post by hammered on Apr 19, 2017 23:09:18 GMT
Some good debate but where would we be if Remain had won? Would we still have dodgy Dave and George smarming their Oxfordness/having this election? Would Jezza have whipped his mob into a creamy half baked meringue - Nah? who knows? - point is the Referendum decided the narrative and put a lot of local/regional stuff down the to-do list.
I voted UKIP last few elections and have always vote with head (or common (suits me) sense) rather than tradition or loyalty. And as much as I think the NHS should be ring-fenced financially and politically and council housing/looking after our own a priority etc.. right now we need a sort of Churchillian type single mindedness to get the deed done and move on. May (who looks like my mum) will deliver IMO.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 20, 2017 0:18:00 GMT
Why is he a wanker? Is it that he because he doesn't agree with the ongoing privatisation of the NHS? Is it that he agrees that there should be a massive investment in social housing instead of propping up millionaire landlords? Is it that he wants to ensure a decent education to all schoolkids, not just the top 20-30% whose parents can afford extra tuition and who know the secret handshake? Is it that he wants to tax the multi billion pound companies effectively and not donate £700-800 million to companies that pick on disabled folk? Is it that he wants a minimum wage that is worth earning? So the benefit system doesn't have to "prop up" multi nationals etc. etc. etc. I'll wait for the terrorist loving, baby eater Daily Mail bollocks reply from the usual suspects. Try listening to what he actually says, not to what you are told he has said. He certainly sounds like Labour to me I can't vote for any one that wants to scrap our nuclear deterrent, not in an age where even the most rouge of states have access to such weapons. I can not vote for a man that has openly condoned anti sematism, a man that has spent his career wanting out of Europe, to abandon his principles because of some skewed agenda, I can not vote for a man that can not gain any traction against Theresa May at PMQs and I can not vote for someone that has no authority over his own party. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for disaster, his own party won't back him so why should the electorate? so which disaster are you going to vote for?
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 20, 2017 0:28:23 GMT
Some good debate but where would we be if Remain had won? Would we still have dodgy Dave and George smarming their Oxfordness/having this election? Would Jezza have whipped his mob into a creamy half baked meringue - Nah? who knows? - point is the Referendum decided the narrative and put a lot of local/regional stuff down the to-do list. I voted UKIP last few elections and have always vote with head (or common (suits me) sense) rather than tradition or loyalty. And as much as I think the NHS should be ring-fenced financially and politically and council housing/looking after our own a priority etc.. right now we need a sort of Churchillian type single mindedness to get the deed done and move on. May (who looks like my mum) will deliver IMO. Do you really think Europe is the most single important issue? Bigger than losing a NHS? Will you be happy to spend your life savings on your health care. We had a referendum and we are committed to out whoever gets in. May was for staying in. She changes ship like the weather. She'll just make this a tax haven for super rich, we'll get nowt or worse, get screwed. The Europe deal will be a disaster under May that's why she's busy licking the arses of the Saudis and Trump. They'll make her beg for crumbs. The only reason she called this election is because 24 Tory MPs are about to get nicked for fraud. Nowt to do with Brexit. That is a complete hoax. We don't need another referendum on it. If we had a half decent media they would querying why a PM calls for a referendum on something that has already been decided.
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