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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 11, 2017 20:00:20 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 11, 2017 23:05:36 GMT
Fair comment without an agenda. I'd pretty much agree with all that. I'm still completely baffled how Hughes has managed to turn what was a brilliant start to his time at Stoke into a complete shambles. It feels a bit like conceding a last minute goal to lose a game. OS.
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Post by Gods on Apr 11, 2017 23:06:59 GMT
That's about the measure of it.
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 12, 2017 15:41:46 GMT
Fair comment without an agenda. I'd pretty much agree with all that. I'm still completely baffled how Hughes has managed to turn what was a brilliant start to his time at Stoke into a complete shambles. It feels a bit like conceding a last minute goal to lose a game. OS. And that's happened a few times recently. We don't seem capable of finishing our opponents off at the moment.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 12, 2017 17:39:32 GMT
The only part I disagree with is "the six-game trial".
I think we'll survive. We'll probably beat Hull on Saturday and that will more or less be safety guaranteed.
But it would take an exceptional change in performances and results to persuade me that Hughes should still be here next season.
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Post by Onneravineet on Apr 12, 2017 17:55:21 GMT
He has no six games left for me.
Firmly in the Hughes out camp myself. If we stay up and he is still here I'll be disappointed and dismayed as to what is to come.
Our position in 9th for so long this season has misled some to save their scorn. In truth we have been woeful and he has wasted a kings ransom and done nothing other than disassemble a promising squad.
I am convinced he is out at the end of he season.
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 12, 2017 18:23:06 GMT
St Peter is no "hire 'em and fire 'em" chairman. As long as we finish comfortable MH will get another season...or at least most of one depending how it shapes up.
Just my view...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 19:23:44 GMT
The only part I disagree with is "the six-game trial". I think we'll survive. We'll probably beat Hull on Saturday and that will more or less be safety guaranteed. But it would take an exceptional change in performances and results to persuade me that Hughes should still be here next season. I think he's definitely on a six game trial to keep his job. If we stutter our way to the end of the season or God forbid end up in a relegation scrap I honestly think that Coates will replace him at the end of the season. There is no way on this earth that Coates will be happy with what's going on at the moment on the pitch or off it if you ask me, the way Hughes seems to have no plan, no settled formation and the way he has recruited players lately only to either not play them, or send them out on loan will not have gone unnoticed by the powers that be at our football club.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 12, 2017 19:35:59 GMT
I never thought I'd say this but in many ways it might be better to end up in a relagation battle (and obviously stay up).
I don't want this situation to drag on for another 6 months.
Far better to carry out an execution swiftly & decisively than to drag things out indefinitely.
???
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 12, 2017 19:56:02 GMT
Sums it up pretty well. Not sure what we really want now, is a fresh start come what may the best solution? It's amazing how much of pigs ear we've made of things. Only time will tell, however this isn't something that's just happened in the last couple of months. The dodgy amount of managerial decisions over the past year and 1/4 in which time there has been 3 transfer windows means there's only one man to blame here.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 12, 2017 21:12:42 GMT
First thing to say is Pulis is sitting pretty. We, Stoke, Hughes aren't so wheres the progress. Football has been poor, no progress there. I want Hughes to succeed but he is a tinker man and has never found a solid side
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 12, 2017 21:18:19 GMT
Smudge is just verbalizing what most fans are thinking, as I am sure are the board. There can't be many clubs who have so many question marks about so many players and there futures, whether they be out of contract or on loan elsewhere with seemingly little future whilst Hughes is still at the club?. Its a really mess and much of his own doing. I am still convinced he's fallen out with Coates for whatever reason.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 12, 2017 21:20:27 GMT
I just wish people had started questioning Hughes sooner tbh.
The clues were there.
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Post by Onneravineet on Apr 12, 2017 21:21:50 GMT
The only part I disagree with is "the six-game trial". I think we'll survive. We'll probably beat Hull on Saturday and that will more or less be safety guaranteed. But it would take an exceptional change in performances and results to persuade me that Hughes should still be here next season. I think he's definitely on a six game trial to keep his job. If we stutter our way to the end of the season or God forbid end up in a relegation scrap I honestly think that Coates will replace him at the end of the season. There is no way on this earth that Coates will be happy with what's going on at the moment on the pitch or off it if you ask me, the way Hughes seems to have no plan, no settled formation and the way he has recruited players lately only to either not play them, or send them out on loan will not have gone unnoticed by the powers that be at our football club. I was told that there was a stage earlier in the season when it was considered that Hughes may need to be removed. He got the prerequisite points that led to the Board believing that they needent step in due to the belief that e would stay up. This decision did not mean Hughes was safe just that they need not step in before the end of the season. I honestly think he is a gonner. I hope he is too.
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Post by Davef on Apr 12, 2017 21:31:25 GMT
First thing to say is Pulis is sitting pretty. We, Stoke, Hughes aren't so wheres the progress. Football has been poor, no progress there. I want Hughes to succeed but he is a tinker man and has never found a solid side Hughes has outperformed Pulis's Premier League record WITH STOKE in three of his four seasons and we have progressed since Pulis's last couple of seasons. This season has been a huge disappointment set against the standards that Hughes has set. It beats me why you have to bring Pulis into this, it really does.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 12, 2017 21:40:26 GMT
First thing to say is Pulis is sitting pretty. We, Stoke, Hughes aren't so wheres the progress. Football has been poor, no progress there. I want Hughes to succeed but he is a tinker man and has never found a solid side Hughes has outperformed Pulis's Premier League record WITH STOKE in three of his four seasons and we have progressed since Pulis's last couple of seasons. This season has been a huge disappointment set against the standards that Hughes has set. It beats me why you have to bring Pulis into this, it really does. We know the history, Im sure you do, but I can only say look at the league table. Add to that cup exits to shit sides. Do the maths mate
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Post by Davef on Apr 12, 2017 21:51:16 GMT
Hughes has outperformed Pulis's Premier League record WITH STOKE in three of his four seasons and we have progressed since Pulis's last couple of seasons. This season has been a huge disappointment set against the standards that Hughes has set. It beats me why you have to bring Pulis into this, it really does. We know the history, Im sure you do, but I can only say look at the league table. Add to that cup exits to shit sides. Do the maths mate You said that we haven't progressed since Pulis left. That's not true at all. For some reason three top ten places are sneered at by some on here, but that's what Hughes has achieved and we have record season ticket sales. We may yet still better the 42 points that Pulis achieved in his last season with us. The point here though is we haven't progressed this season from what Mark Hughes has achieved, not what Tony Pulis achieved and that's disappointing. And by the way, if you want to talk about disappointing cup exits this season go back and check how the Albion did.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 12, 2017 21:57:38 GMT
We know the history, Im sure you do, but I can only say look at the league table. Add to that cup exits to shit sides. Do the maths mate You said that we haven't progressed since Pulis left. That's not true at all. For some reason three top ten places are sneered at by some on here, but that's what Hughes has achieved and we have record season ticket sales. We may yet still better the 42 points that Pulis achieved in his last season with us. The point here though is we haven't progressed this season from what Mark Hughes has achieved, not what Tony Pulis achieved and that's disappointing. And by the way, if you want to talk about disappointing cup exits this season go back and check how the Albion did. Clutching at straws. Football is shit. Attacking is shit, defending is shit. Goal difference is shit. Struggling to see a positive this year. Sorry
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Post by Davef on Apr 12, 2017 22:03:06 GMT
You said that we haven't progressed since Pulis left. That's not true at all. For some reason three top ten places are sneered at by some on here, but that's what Hughes has achieved and we have record season ticket sales. We may yet still better the 42 points that Pulis achieved in his last season with us. The point here though is we haven't progressed this season from what Mark Hughes has achieved, not what Tony Pulis achieved and that's disappointing. And by the way, if you want to talk about disappointing cup exits this season go back and check how the Albion did. Clutching at straws. Football is shit. Attacking is shit, defending is shit. Goal difference is shit. Struggling to see a positive this year. Sorry In what way am I clutching at straws? I've just said the season is disappointing. I've expressed my anger at frustration at current performances several times over the past few weeks. I'm disappointed that we haven't been able to build on what Mark Hughes has achieved. You are simply dismissing his three years of 50+ points and ninth place finishes because we currently sit below Tony Pulis's team. We're also below Watford and Burnley in the table which is even more disapppinting.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 12, 2017 22:08:50 GMT
Clutching at straws. Football is shit. Attacking is shit, defending is shit. Goal difference is shit. Struggling to see a positive this year. Sorry In what way am I clutching at straws? I've just said the season is disappointing. I've expressed my anger at frustration at current performances several times over the past few weeks. I'm disappointed that we haven't been able to build on what Mark Hughes has achieved. You are simply dismissing his three years of 50+ points and ninth place finishes because we currently sit below Tony Pulis's team. We're also below Watford and Burnley in the table which is even more disapppinting. Well for me we achieved far more under TP as we know. MH may have achieved 50 points but so what. He hasn't done it this year. Sorry to mention his name Dave but guess who has
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Post by Davef on Apr 12, 2017 22:12:06 GMT
In what way am I clutching at straws? I've just said the season is disappointing. I've expressed my anger at frustration at current performances several times over the past few weeks. I'm disappointed that we haven't been able to build on what Mark Hughes has achieved. You are simply dismissing his three years of 50+ points and ninth place finishes because we currently sit below Tony Pulis's team. We're also below Watford and Burnley in the table which is even more disapppinting. Well for me we achieved far more under TP as we know. MH may have achieved 50 points but so what. He hasn't done it this year. Sorry to mention his name Dave but guess who has When did West Brom reach 50 points?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 12, 2017 22:14:33 GMT
Hughes has outperformed Pulis's Premier League record WITH STOKE in three of his four seasons and we have progressed since Pulis's last couple of seasons. This season has been a huge disappointment set against the standards that Hughes has set. It beats me why you have to bring Pulis into this, it really does. We know the history, Im sure you do, but I can only say look at the league table. Add to that cup exits to shit sides. Do the maths mate Are you on a wind up?
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 12, 2017 22:17:34 GMT
Well for me we achieved far more under TP as we know. MH may have achieved 50 points but so what. He hasn't done it this year. Sorry to mention his name Dave but guess who has When did West Brom reach 50 points? This season. We are struggling to get 40
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 12, 2017 22:18:00 GMT
We know the history, Im sure you do, but I can only say look at the league table. Add to that cup exits to shit sides. Do the maths mate Are you on a wind up? No why are you?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 12, 2017 22:19:31 GMT
Christ on a bike. What the fuck has the old Welsh tit got to do with the new one?
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Post by Davef on Apr 12, 2017 22:20:01 GMT
When did West Brom reach 50 points? This season. We are struggling to get 40 Yeah, he's on a wind up.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Apr 12, 2017 23:49:35 GMT
Hughes has outperformed Pulis's Premier League record WITH STOKE in three of his four seasons and we have progressed since Pulis's last couple of seasons. This season has been a huge disappointment set against the standards that Hughes has set. It beats me why you have to bring Pulis into this, it really does. We know the history, Im sure you do, but I can only say look at the league table. Add to that cup exits to shit sides. Do the maths mate To be fair Swampy, look at the table for the last three seasons. Taken in isolation, this season has been a backwards step, but over the course of Hughes reign, He's been head and shoulders better than Pulis on all fronts over the same time period.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 3:06:52 GMT
I really don't think Lord Peter will trust LMH with another big transfer kitty. One of 2 things will happen. He will either get shut and bring in a new man with a big budget. or Keep LMH but give him 9/10ths of fuck all for the summer window, which will be a disaster with other clubs around us spending big.
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Post by greyman on Apr 13, 2017 3:38:52 GMT
First thing to say is Pulis is sitting pretty. We, Stoke, Hughes aren't so wheres the progress. Football has been poor, no progress there. I want Hughes to succeed but he is a tinker man and has never found a solid side Hughes has outperformed Pulis's Premier League record WITH STOKE in three of his four seasons and we have progressed since Pulis's last couple of seasons. This season has been a huge disappointment set against the standards that Hughes has set. It beats me why you have to bring Pulis into this, it really does. I know why and I bet you do, too.
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Post by greyman on Apr 13, 2017 8:03:32 GMT
I'm prepared to make a prediction. Let's say we get relegated in 2026, but in the intervening years we've been a top half side consistently, won the League Cup once and appeared in an FA Cup Semi Final. The ground is pretty much full every week and the club has continued to attract some relatively major players and has developed a handful of very good youngsters. But in 2026, gravity takes hold and we go down, albeit with a solid enough foundation to expect to come back up within a couple of years. Hughes has gone and we replaced him with another manager or two who have done well, but we've just run out of steam for one reason or another. Here's my prediction. Somebody, probably a few, will come onto the Oatcake and say 'I knew this would happen when we sacked Pulis'. I'm bookmarking this. Just so that when somebody comes on and says 'I told you so', I can say 'No, I told you so' right back at them.
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