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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 13, 2017 8:24:43 GMT
I'm prepared to make a prediction. Let's say we get relegated in 2026, but in the intervening years we've been a top half side consistently, won the League Cup once and appeared in an FA Cup Semi Final. The ground is pretty much full every week and the club has continued to attract some relatively major players and has developed a handful of very good youngsters. But in 2026, gravity takes hold and we go down, albeit with a solid enough foundation to expect to come back up within a couple of years. Hughes has gone but we replaced him with another manager or two who have done well, but we've just run out of steam for one reason or another. Here's my prediction. Somebody, probably a few, will come onto the Oatcake and say 'I knew this would happen when we sacked Pulis'. I'm bookmarking this. And they will have been proved right as no one could have done what Pulis did with this club, NO ONE! With the resources he had no one could have done what he did! And on his departure the lucky Hughes had much more money given to him so he could advance us to three top ten finishes for the first time in our history in the mean time spoiling the Stoke brand by importing Johnny Foreigner and beating top four sides, playing fucking tippy tappy football, making them look shite! I am sure after brexit we can welcome back TP and get rid of all the foreigners, it's what the people of Stoke want!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 13, 2017 9:03:54 GMT
I'm prepared to make a prediction. Let's say we get relegated in 2026, but in the intervening years we've been a top half side consistently, won the League Cup once and appeared in an FA Cup Semi Final. The ground is pretty much full every week and the club has continued to attract some relatively major players and has developed a handful of very good youngsters. But in 2026, gravity takes hold and we go down, albeit with a solid enough foundation to expect to come back up within a couple of years. Hughes has gone and we replaced him with another manager or two who have done well, but we've just run out of steam for one reason or another. Here's my prediction. Somebody, probably a few, will come onto the Oatcake and say 'I knew this would happen when we sacked Pulis'. I'm bookmarking this. Just so that when somebody comes on and says 'I told you so', I can say 'No, I told you so' right back at them. I don't doubt for a second as that will indeed happen, but the other side are just as bad. When Pulis came back here it was "He'll never save us from relegation" but he did. Then it was "He'll never progess us" but he did, we just missed out on the play-offs. Then it was "He'll never get us into the play-offs" fair enough they were right about that, we won automatic promotion instead. Then it was "He'll never keep us up" but he did. Then it was "He'll never get us passed 'second season syndrome'" but he did. Then it was back to "He'll never progress us" but he did, we become a well regarded midtable team & reached our first ever FA Cup Final. Then it was "He'll never take us any further than this" and finally they got their wish 'cos after a decade of being wrong they could finally go "See! See! I told you Pulis was shit & would never do anything with us! See! See!".
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 13, 2017 9:05:05 GMT
I'm prepared to make a prediction. Let's say we get relegated in 2026, but in the intervening years we've been a top half side consistently, won the League Cup once and appeared in an FA Cup Semi Final. The ground is pretty much full every week and the club has continued to attract some relatively major players and has developed a handful of very good youngsters. But in 2026, gravity takes hold and we go down, albeit with a solid enough foundation to expect to come back up within a couple of years. Hughes has gone and we replaced him with another manager or two who have done well, but we've just run out of steam for one reason or another. Here's my prediction. Somebody, probably a few, will come onto the Oatcake and say 'I knew this would happen when we sacked Pulis'. I'm bookmarking this. Just so that when somebody comes on and says 'I told you so', I can say 'No, I told you so' right back at them. I don't doubt for a second as that will indeed happen, but the other side are just as bad. When Pulis came back here it was "He'll never save us from relegation" but he did. Then it was "He'll never progess us" but he did, we just missed out on the play-offs. Then it was "He'll never get us into the play-offs" fair enough they were right about that, we won automatic promotion instead. Then it was "He'll never keep us up" but he did. Then it was "He'll never get us passed 'second season syndrome'" but he did. Then it was back to "He'll never progress us" but he did, we become a well regarded midtable team & reached our first ever FA Cup Final. Then it was "He'll never take us any further than this" and finally they got their wish 'cos after a decade of being wrong they could finally go "See! See! I told you Pulis was shit & would never do anything with us! See! See!".
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 13, 2017 9:07:20 GMT
Can't really argue with that mate, not saying I would want the capped one back mind. But I bet he has a smirk on his face when he sees what's happened this year.
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Post by generationex on Apr 13, 2017 9:24:20 GMT
The best Pulis prediction was : "He'll never get lucky enough to manage another club in the premier league again".
My concern about Hughes/the recruitment team is that the real damage won't be seen until after he's gone. We could have millions of pounds committed every month for years in players rotting away that we cant shift and no saleable assets other than Arnie, Allen and Jack.
My fear is that the Coates family won't have the stomach for a complete rebuild of the club. Which will be disappointing if so - the recruitment team policy was their baby after all.
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Post by greyman on Apr 13, 2017 9:40:33 GMT
I'm prepared to make a prediction. Let's say we get relegated in 2026, but in the intervening years we've been a top half side consistently, won the League Cup once and appeared in an FA Cup Semi Final. The ground is pretty much full every week and the club has continued to attract some relatively major players and has developed a handful of very good youngsters. But in 2026, gravity takes hold and we go down, albeit with a solid enough foundation to expect to come back up within a couple of years. Hughes has gone and we replaced him with another manager or two who have done well, but we've just run out of steam for one reason or another. Here's my prediction. Somebody, probably a few, will come onto the Oatcake and say 'I knew this would happen when we sacked Pulis'. I'm bookmarking this. Just so that when somebody comes on and says 'I told you so', I can say 'No, I told you so' right back at them. I don't doubt for a second as that will indeed happen, but the other side are just as bad. When Pulis came back here it was "He'll never save us from relegation" but he did. Then it was "He'll never progess us" but he did, we just missed out on the play-offs. Then it was "He'll never get us into the play-offs" fair enough they were right about that, we won automatic promotion instead. Then it was "He'll never keep us up" but he did. Then it was "He'll never get us passed 'second season syndrome'" but he did. Then it was back to "He'll never progress us" but he did, we become a well regarded midtable team & reached our first ever FA Cup Final. Then it was "He'll never take us any further than this" and finally they got their wish 'cos after a decade of being wrong they could finally go "See! See! I told you Pulis was shit & would never do anything with us! See! See!". Well, yes, but they're not the ones hoping that the current manager fails, in one way or another. There are a small but vocal number of people attached to the club who would rather be right about something than Stoke do well and they exist on both sides of the fence. I'm glad that momo liked your post. He's still seething that I was always right about Pulis and he was only half right. I don't think he'll ever get over it.
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Post by Davef on Apr 13, 2017 9:42:15 GMT
Can't really argue with that mate, not saying I would want the capped one back mind. But I bet he has a smirk on his face when he sees what's happened this year. Yeah, because he loves this football club so much.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 13, 2017 9:48:06 GMT
I don't doubt for a second as that will indeed happen, but the other side are just as bad. When Pulis came back here it was "He'll never save us from relegation" but he did. Then it was "He'll never progess us" but he did, we just missed out on the play-offs. Then it was "He'll never get us into the play-offs" fair enough they were right about that, we won automatic promotion instead. Then it was "He'll never keep us up" but he did. Then it was "He'll never get us passed 'second season syndrome'" but he did. Then it was back to "He'll never progress us" but he did, we become a well regarded midtable team & reached our first ever FA Cup Final. Then it was "He'll never take us any further than this" and finally they got their wish 'cos after a decade of being wrong they could finally go "See! See! I told you Pulis was shit & would never do anything with us! See! See!". Well, yes, but they're not the ones hoping that the current manager fails, in one way or another. There are a small but vocal number of people attached to the club who would rather be right about something than Stoke do well and they exist on both sides of the fence. I'm glad that momo liked your post. He's still seething that I was always right about Pulis and he was only half right. I don't think he'll ever get over it. I was too busy lauding it over the wankstains for over ten years that I took my eye of the ball regarding his cuntishness!
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Post by thehoof on Apr 13, 2017 10:15:51 GMT
I have lost faith in Mark Hughes but to even contemplate bringing back you know who means that people have undergone the same treatment as Jack Nicholson in "One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest".
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 13, 2017 10:16:37 GMT
Can't really argue with that mate, not saying I would want the capped one back mind. But I bet he has a smirk on his face when he sees what's happened this year. Yeah, because he loves this football club so much. In the grand scheme of things we are one of his previous employers, to us he was our last manager. I'm sure that when he was told thanks but no thanks on his dossier, he would crack a smile at seeing where we are at the moment. The whole none hand shake thing and the berrahino circus and the fact that he came up to stoke with his team on charity work a month or so ago shows that it was personal. We have made a right pigs ear of this season.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 13, 2017 10:32:50 GMT
Yeah, because he loves this football club so much. In the grand scheme of things we are one of his previous employers, to us he was our last manager. I'm sure that when he was told thanks but no thanks on his dossier, he would crack a smile at seeing where we are at the moment. The whole none hand shake thing and the berrahino circus and the fact that he came up to stoke with his team on charity work a month or so ago shows that it was personal. We have made a right pigs ear of this season. The management of our squad this season has been shambolic, tactically Hughes is clueless.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 13, 2017 10:34:16 GMT
Can't really argue with that mate, not saying I would want the capped one back mind. But I bet he has a smirk on his face when he sees what's happened this year. Yeah, because he loves this football club so much. Why should he we sacked him ?, his behaviour towards our club since his departure confirms he has no love for us.
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Post by greyman on Apr 13, 2017 10:35:15 GMT
Yeah, because he loves this football club so much. In the grand scheme of things we are one of his previous employers, to us he was our last manager. I'm sure that when he was told thanks but no thanks on his dossier, he would crack a smile at seeing where we are at the moment. The whole none hand shake thing and the berrahino circus and the fact that he came up to stoke with his team on charity work a month or so ago shows that it was personal. We have made a right pigs ear of this season. And so far, only this season. I share everybody's doubts about Hughes but there's no need to rewrite history. As for Pulis's 'dossier'? I think we should take it as seriously as Peter Coates obviously did.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Apr 13, 2017 10:35:46 GMT
One thing that bugs me is the criticism of the substitution. Fair enough, i feel he's gone for the defensive sub too often this year......but satdee? We were getting absolutely hammered through the middle, he had to bring another body on.
The problem is though, that no matter what subtitution he makes, it doesn't work, whether it's the right one, as i believe it was one saturday, or the wrong one, as it has been on numerous occasions. And that is the true problem, the fact his subs never work doesn't mean they're the wrong subs, but it does indicate the lack of a plan, and a lack of understanding of what is required when the sub is made.
Whenever we bring on the extra defender, or the extra defensive midfielder we go to pieces for a good 10 minutes. It is a perfectly logical substitution, it's not the substitution itself which is wrong. It seems to me it's the training ground work going into it.
Same with attacking subs, when he brings one one we seem to lose momentum rather than gain it.
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