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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 31, 2017 20:44:20 GMT
Stoke is definitely where the north meets the Midlands. I see myself as a northerner over a Midlander. My old boss from Portsmouth considered Stoke as where the north starts. And let's be honest Birmingham is the biggest shithole in the country so it's best not to be associated with it. You lot are in the midlands, that's why you get Central television and we get Granada.
Audlem is the first town in the north
But you need to draw a diagonal from Audlem to Talke Pits and anything to the north west of that line is in the, erm ... North West and anything to the south east of it, is in the midlands. Audley is in the north west but Chesterton is in the midlands, even though there's only a couple of miles between them.
You're midlanders, dont't ever forget it either ... 
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Post by nik80 on Mar 31, 2017 20:49:29 GMT
It really does all depend on where you live in the Stoke supporter catchment area I suppose, I feel very much a midlander in Stafford, BUT the missus, out in the moorlands probably wouldn't agree, yet we're both Stoke....
like others have said, an area on the cusp. Small distances seem to make a world of difference, I most definitely don't talk like a yam yam, but if I lived eight miles down the road, I would....
Stoke is where the heart's at.
Not to be defined by mere mortals ❤️
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 31, 2017 20:49:34 GMT
As our only realistic attempt at top team status bragging rights is "top team in the Midlands", even though the likes of Gary Newbon on Central Sport always ignored us, we are in the Midlands!
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 31, 2017 20:50:53 GMT
No we are in central Mordor just east of the Shire |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2017 20:51:39 GMT
Stoke is definitely where the north meets the Midlands. I see myself as a northerner over a Midlander. My old boss from Portsmouth considered Stoke as where the north starts. And let's be honest Birmingham is the biggest shithole in the country so it's best not to be associated with it. You lot are in the midlands, that's why you get Central television and we get Granada.
Audlem is the first town in the north
But you need to draw a diagonal line from Audlem to Talke Pits and anything to the north west of that line is in the, erm ... North West and anything to the south east of it, is in the midlands. Audley is in the north west but Chesterton is in the midlands, even though there's only a couple of miles between them.
You're midlanders, don't ever forget it either ...
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 31, 2017 20:52:05 GMT
For the Midlands is tough. Villa are by some distance the biggest club, but then ourselves, Birmingham, Derby, Coventry, Forest, Leicester, WBA & Wolves have virtually nothing between us. You could take pretty much any 5-10 year period you wanted & say some of them are 'way bigger' than others, but then jump forward 5-10 years & you'll normally find it's flipped on its head... A sure fire sign that we're all pretty much equal. In London it is, and always has been, Arsenal - Chelsea - Tottenham, in that order. Anyone thinking otherwise, especially the 'Chelsea were nobodies untill Abramovich came along' people really need to look up some of the crowds Chelsea used to get before they were blighted more than most in the hooligan years. Dunner talk daft, Spurs were well ahead of Chelsea in pretty much every category pre-Abramovich, including attendances. Until relatively recently Chelsea were in a fairly even race with West Ham for third. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 31, 2017 20:59:00 GMT
Chelsea have had a few purple patches, when they won the title in the 50s, the early 70s cup runs, and then nowadays since the huge injection of the ill-gotten wealth of Abramovich. I remember their being a very poor second division team playing in a shit hole of a ground in the 80s. They are most definitely firmly behind the north London duo when considered over a long period of time, not just the past 15/20 years.
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Post by brumstokie on Mar 31, 2017 22:01:37 GMT
You've obviously never visited the leafy garden suburb where I live😉 |
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Post by turtlefox on Mar 31, 2017 22:12:51 GMT
Villa
Wolves
Derby
Forest
Leicester
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Mar 31, 2017 22:20:06 GMT
Depends what you mean by 'biggest'.
If you mean currently, then we're 2nd behind WBA.
If you mean over the last two years, were still second behind Leicester.
If you mean, like forever, then we're way way down the pecking order of biggest clubs, behind for example
Forest - double Champions of Europe
Villa - champions of Europe and multiple league and trophy winners
Derby and Wolves - champions of the top division and FA Cup winners
Coventry - FA Cup winners
Leicester - Premier League winners
Even Notts County won loads of stuff years ago!
You can hardly compare being League Cup winners and twice winners of the Autoglass Trophy alongside that little lot really.
Now, if you'd said 'best', then of course it's Stoke City FC isn't it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2017 22:59:26 GMT
You've obviously never visited the leafy garden suburb where I live😉 And I hope it stays that way! I've been around Birmingham Uni and that is nice but I just don't like the place especially when I compare it to going to Manchester. |
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 1, 2017 0:59:16 GMT
Our 61 seasons in the top flight sees us fifth in the midlands behind Villa (105), WBA (80), Derby (65) and Wolves (63).
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Post by brumstokie on Apr 1, 2017 6:38:31 GMT
You've obviously never visited the leafy garden suburb where I live😉 And I hope it stays that way! I've been around Birmingham Uni and that is nice but I just don't like the place especially when I compare it to going to Manchester. Like any city it depends where you go. I originally came down to go to the Uni & stayed for 35 years ( & hopefully a bit longer😀) |
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 1, 2017 7:11:11 GMT
For the Midlands is tough. Villa are by some distance the biggest club, but then ourselves, Birmingham, Derby, Coventry, Forest, Leicester, WBA & Wolves have virtually nothing between us. You could take pretty much any 5-10 year period you wanted & say some of them are 'way bigger' than others, but then jump forward 5-10 years & you'll normally find it's flipped on its head... A sure fire sign that we're all pretty much equal. In London it is, and always has been, Arsenal - Chelsea - Tottenham, in that order. Anyone thinking otherwise, especially the 'Chelsea were nobodies untill Abramovich came along' people really need to look up some of the crowds Chelsea used to get before they were blighted more than most in the hooligan years. In London you forgot Man Utd in your list |
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Post by ParaPsych on Apr 1, 2017 9:12:15 GMT
You've obviously never visited the leafy garden suburb where I live😉 And I hope it stays that way! I've been around Birmingham Uni and that is nice but I just don't like the place especially when I compare it to going to Manchester. Birmingham city centre has been done up quite nice I reckon. The new train station is great and it even has one of those Cereal Killer Cafes for hipster twats. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 1, 2017 9:48:52 GMT
For once I am in agreement with Bayern on this one. I moved to North Staffs with my parents at age 3 and lived there until age 19. I never regarded myself as anything other than a northerner.
I have lived and/or worked all over the country: Liverpool, Crewe, Wolverhampton, Plymouth and, finally, the Lake District. At no point since I have been old enough to consider these things, have I ever considered that my roots were in anywhere but the North rather than the Midlands.
Our coalfield was the southernmost outpost of the Northern coal fields. Unlike the West Midlands we have no tradition of metal bashing even though we once had a steel works at Shelton Bar.
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Post by thegooddoctor on Apr 1, 2017 9:58:46 GMT
Stoke is definitely where the north meets the Midlands. I see myself as a northerner over a Midlander. My old boss from Portsmouth considered Stoke as where the north starts. And let's be honest Birmingham is the biggest shithole in the country so it's best not to be associated with it. You lot are in the midlands, that's why you get Central television and we get Granada.
Audlem is the first town in the north
But you need to draw a diagonal line from Audlem to Talke Pits and anything to the north west of that line is in the, erm ... North West and anything to the south east of it, is in the midlands. Audley is in the north west but Chesterton is in the midlands, even though there's only a couple of miles between them.
You're midlanders, don't ever forget it either ...
Audlem? I don't know why anyone would want to listen to that bunch of barely-Cheshire wankers pretending they live in Alderley Edge when they're only spitting distance from the feral badlands of Market Drayton |
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Post by tqstokie on Apr 1, 2017 10:02:44 GMT
I come from Packmoor, there was a lot of iron bashing at the Foundry near to Black Bull. The iron ore was mined in Packmoor and transported to Biddulph by rail. I have always considered myself to be a Midlander.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 1, 2017 10:04:32 GMT
For once I am in agreement with Bayern on this one. I moved to North Staffs with my parents at age 3 and lived there until age 19. I never regarded myself as anything other than a northerner. I have lived and/or worked all over the country: Liverpool, Crewe, Wolverhampton, Plymouth and, finally, the Lake District. At no point since I have been old enough to consider these things, have I ever considered that my roots were in anywhere but the North rather than the Midlands. Our coalfield was the southernmost outpost of the Northern coal fields. Unlike the West Midlands we have no tradition of metal bashing even though we once had a steel works at Shelton Bar. Are you seriously trying to suggest that Stoke is in the North West John? Next time you watch Granada weather, see if you can see it on the map. It most certainly IS on the Central weather map though. Gary Newbon covered Stoke and the rest of the midlands and Gerald Sinstadt covered Cheshire and the rest of the North West. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 1, 2017 10:12:13 GMT
For once I am in agreement with Bayern on this one. I moved to North Staffs with my parents at age 3 and lived there until age 19. I never regarded myself as anything other than a northerner. I have lived and/or worked all over the country: Liverpool, Crewe, Wolverhampton, Plymouth and, finally, the Lake District. At no point since I have been old enough to consider these things, have I ever considered that my roots were in anywhere but the North rather than the Midlands. Our coalfield was the southernmost outpost of the Northern coal fields. Unlike the West Midlands we have no tradition of metal bashing even though we once had a steel works at Shelton Bar. Are you seriously trying to suggest that Stoke is in the North West John?
Next time you watch Granada weather, see if you can see it on the map. It most certainly IS on the Central weather map though. Gary Newbon covered Stoke and the rest of the midlands and Gerald Sinstadt covered Cheshire and the rest of the North West. I don't see what relevance the exact line of a TV broadcast area has. Up here the BBC includes northern (but not Southern) Cumbria in an area together with Northumberland, Tyne and Wear and Durham. Whereas ITV lumps north Cumbria in with Southern Scotland. Basically it depends upon where they located their transmitters. EDIT - and why would I want to watch Granada or Central weather? Neither has any relevance to where I live. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 1, 2017 10:17:57 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 1, 2017 10:21:39 GMT
All that serves to do is to illustrate how daft your previous point about TV regions was! And I am not at all convinced that electoral boundaries have any relevance either. When I lived in Plymouth, the European Constitiuency I lived in during the original elections to the European Parliament, was "Cornwall and Plymouth" whilst the rest of Devon was a different constituency. For those unfamiliar with geography that is a bit like having a constituency of Stoke on Trent and Cheshire!  Constituency boundaries are "fiddled" at the whim of politicians - the Parliamentary constituency I currently live in will disappear before the next General election because of boundary changes - we have about 10,000 too few electors. |
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Post by wuzza on Apr 1, 2017 10:27:04 GMT
For once I am in agreement with Bayern on this one. I moved to North Staffs with my parents at age 3 and lived there until age 19. I never regarded myself as anything other than a northerner. I have lived and/or worked all over the country: Liverpool, Crewe, Wolverhampton, Plymouth and, finally, the Lake District. At no point since I have been old enough to consider these things, have I ever considered that my roots were in anywhere but the North rather than the Midlands. Our coalfield was the southernmost outpost of the Northern coal fields. Unlike the West Midlands we have no tradition of metal bashing even though we once had a steel works at Shelton Bar. Are you seriously trying to suggest that Stoke is in the North West John? Next time you watch Granada weather, see if you can see it on the map. It most certainly IS on the Central weather map though. Gary Newbon covered Stoke and the rest of the midlands and Gerald Sinstadt covered Cheshire and the rest of the North West. For a while (80s or 90s) Granada did cover Stoke and Vale games (admittedly right at the end of their football highlights show) so that measure is a bit flexible! Whatever the geographics I think S-O-T is 'culturally' closer to the North than the Midlands mainly as a result of the mining connection. Crown green bowls is a good example of a very Northern thing that is rooted in the Potteries!! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 1, 2017 10:30:04 GMT
All that serves to do is to illustrate how daft your previous point about TV regions was!
Why does it? Granada broadcasts to the North West and Central broadcasts to the midlands.
Those links explain where the North West is for those who don't know!
Oh and ...
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 1, 2017 10:34:26 GMT
Looks like that Map has me living in part of Scotland. Good old ITV - never wrong are they?  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 1, 2017 10:38:14 GMT
Looks like that Map has me living in part of Scotland. Good old ITV - never wrong are they?
I see you've edited your post ... It's not about electoral boundaries:
"North West England, one of nine official regions of England, consists of the five counties of Cheshire, Cumbria, Greater Manchester, Lancashire and Merseyside. The North West had a population of 7,052,000 in 2011.[1] It is the third most populated region in the United Kingdom after the South East and Greater London."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_West_England
When we were kids, we always asked our parents if we could have ITV tuned (instead of Granada) to ATV/Central so we could feel closer to Stoke and the Midlands!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 1, 2017 10:42:25 GMT
Looks like that Map has me living in part of Scotland. Good old ITV - never wrong are they?
I see you've edited your post ... It's not about electoral boundaries:
"North West England, one of nine official regions of England, consists of the five counties of Cheshire, Cumbria, Greater Manchester, Lancashire and Merseyside. The North West had a population of 7,052,000 in 2011.[1] It is the third most populated region in the United Kingdom after the South East and Greater London."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_West_England
When we were kids, we always asked our parents if we could have ITV tuned (instead of Granada) to ATV/Central so we could feel closer to Stoke and the Midlands!
The edit was to add in the bit about the European Constituencies down in Devon and Cornwall - comparing the effect to what it would be like having a constituency of Stoke and Cheshire. EDIT: Wuzza (above) is correct. "Culturally" SOT is far closer to the North West than it is to the Midlands. Just as Cumbria is far closer to the North West culturally than it is to Scotland - whatever ITV says. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 1, 2017 10:45:35 GMT
I see you've edited your post ... It's not about electoral boundaries:
"North West England, one of nine official regions of England, consists of the five counties of Cheshire, Cumbria, Greater Manchester, Lancashire and Merseyside. The North West had a population of 7,052,000 in 2011.[1] It is the third most populated region in the United Kingdom after the South East and Greater London."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_West_England
When we were kids, we always asked our parents if we could have ITV tuned (instead of Granada) to ATV/Central so we could feel closer to Stoke and the Midlands!
The edit was to add in the bit about the European Constituencies down in Devon and Cornwall - comparing the effect to what it would be like having a constituency of Stoke and Cheshire.
Whatever it was added for, Stoke still isn't in the North West.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 1, 2017 10:56:34 GMT
The edit was to add in the bit about the European Constituencies down in Devon and Cornwall - comparing the effect to what it would be like having a constituency of Stoke and Cheshire.
Whatever it was added for, Stoke still isn't in the North West.
Obviously it isn't to you, Paul. You have made that very clear. But to many of my generation (and I am older than you) and to many Stokies of all ages it is culturally much closer to the North West than it is to the Midlands. Put it this way, County boundaries are a bit of an anachronism in many parts of the country because, since the counties were created, populations and work places have expanded and contracted. In some places this has been recognised by the creation of newer, large, Metropolitan areas. There was, for example, no Greater Manchester when I was a lad. And I was born in Lancashire - in Warrington - which is now part of Cheshire. Were we to scrap the County boundaries and start afresh, the chances are SOT, most of Cheshire and parts of Northern Shropshire.might become a new super county - hopefully as part of the North West Power House so beloved of George Osborne. |
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Post by greyman on Apr 1, 2017 11:02:18 GMT
Stoke is definitely where the north meets the Midlands. I see myself as a northerner over a Midlander. My old boss from Portsmouth considered Stoke as where the north starts. And let's be honest Birmingham is the biggest shithole in the country so it's best not to be associated with it. Stoke is England's Istanbul. |
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