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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 5, 2017 3:38:22 GMT
1963?? from the 'league magazine'!  Great pic mate, almost certainly 1962 though, the stand was fully completed by 1963. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 5, 2017 3:42:19 GMT
This picture is really interesting, where have you got the suggested date from? From what we've seen earlier in the thread, it seems that the Stoke End embankment was in place by 1926 at the latest (at least on the Boothen side) but in this picture it clearly isn't there yet. Absolutely fabulous picture nevertheless. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 4:03:30 GMT
Here put your cursor over the thumb nail it gives a date 01/08/27 
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 5, 2017 11:27:53 GMT
Here put your cursor over the thumb nail it gives a date 01/08/27 Great site, Burnside. Some fabulous photos on there. Thank you. The side below is probably one of my all-time favourites. Me and Boothen Ender Billy (The Cockwoods Boys) were about 13 or 14 at the time and we bled red and white. We were madly, madly in love with nogger at the time and every spare moment we had was making money so we could follow the lads in red and white everywhere. Two little kids so in love with the game that nothing else mattered. I even gave up a promising athletic career to be a 'Stokie'. When I should have been training I was travelling all over the country in those bloody old steam trains. And the atmosphere was so different back then. None of this analytical crap we have now. You went to 'skoo' or work, went to watch the game on a Saturday, we won lost or drew, then just got on with it until the following week. Thanks to everybody who has contributed to this thread. It's a jewel of a thread and, IMHO, one of the best ever to grace this board. The Oatcake - bacon and chayze - and proper nogger talk without rancour. Nowt beats it.   OS... the last remaining member of The Cockwood Boys and at 76, still bleeding red and white and still as nervous as hell come match day. (I came hobbling away on my walking stick from the game yesterday with my grandsons and they were buzzing. They reminded me of me a long time ago.)  |
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Post by AlliG on Mar 5, 2017 12:00:15 GMT
Here put your cursor over the thumb nail it gives a date 01/08/27 Great site, Burnside. Some fabulous photos on there. Thank you. The side below is probably one of my all-time favourites. Me and Boothen Ender Billy (The Cockwoods Boys) were about 13 or 14 at the time and we bled red and white. We were madly, madly in love with nogger at the time and every spare moment we had was making money so we could follow the lads in red and white everywhere. Two little kids so in love with the game that nothing else mattered. I even gave up a promising athletic career to be a 'Stokie'. When I should have been training I was travelling all over the country in those bloody old steam trains. And the atmosphere was so different back then. None of this analytical crap we have now. You went to 'skoo' or work, went to watch the game on a Saturday, we won lost or drew, then just got on with it until the following week. Thanks to everybody who has contributed to this thread. It's a jewel of a thread and, IMHO, one of the best ever to grace this board. The Oatcake - bacon and chayze - and proper nogger talk without rancour. Nowt beats it. OS... the last remaining member of The Cockwood Boys and at 76, still bleeding red and white and still as nervous as hell come match day. (I came hobbling away on my walking stick from the game yesterday with my grandsons and they were buzzing. They reminded me of me a long time ago.) Quite right. At a time when it appears that we cannot enjoy a win on here without the usual suspects hurling abuse at each other and the players, it has been fantastic to have a thread that has been interesting and informative where every contributor has been looking to add something positive. I have really enjoyed dipping regularly into this thread over the last week or so, as it has helped to bring to life some of the things my dad used to tell me. My dad was born born in Selwyn Street in 1930, attended St Peters, and used to charge a penny to look after men's bikes on matchdays to fund the cost of getting in to the game, though he had to leave on 85 minutes to be back in time to make it appear as though he had been looking after the bikes all afternoon. If the internet had been around then, I guess he would have been the subject of one of those regular threads about people leaving early!  |
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Post by Davef on Mar 5, 2017 12:22:38 GMT
Here's the next challenge: Looking at Burnside's photo of the Boothen Stand the floodlight pylon is behind the stand and the terrace, but I only ever remember that pylon on the Stoke End terracing. The pylon definitely isn't there in this photo of Stan from 1965...  ...but if you look at the team photo from 1974, the pylon is clearly there cemented into the terrace. So does anyone remember when it was moved? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 12:29:03 GMT
This is how the Stoke End looked when I first started going in the early 60's  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 12:36:41 GMT
Here's the next challenge: Looking at Burnside's photo of the Boothen Stand the floodlight pylon is behind the stand and the terrace, but I only ever remember that pylon on the Stoke End terracing. The pylon definitely isn't there in this photo of Stan from 1965... ...but if you look at the team photo from 1974, the pylon is clearly there cemented into the terrace. So does anyone remember when it was moved? It's on this photo from 57 tucked behind the side of the Boothen Stand..Did we move it?   |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 12:43:47 GMT
looking at this from 1960 the lights look like they were moved to under the eves of the stand and no sight of the pylon from 57......under the eves on the Butler st aswell   |
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Post by Davef on Mar 5, 2017 13:27:57 GMT
 February 1968. The pylon is clearly in a different position here. I think it may have been moved to accommodate a ticket/lottery office? |
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Post by lagwafis on Mar 5, 2017 13:54:21 GMT
February 1968. The pylon is clearly in a different position here. I think it may been moved to accommodate a ticket/lottery office? These are from an old 'Portrait of Stoke City' book I picked up years ago. The first one is captioned early 60s, shortly after the new Boothen Stand was built, with no floodlights  The second one has no date but features Terry Lees training with Alan Dodd, Tommy Walker, Ray Brown and Steve Mason ahead of an FA Youth Cup quarter final against Spurs. It looks like a pylon / flood light is visible on the terracing.  The last one is from a 2-2 draw against Leeds on 9 September 1972 with no floodlight visible on the terrace, unless it's further back out of shot (similar to the one in Burnside's earlier post?)  |
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Post by Davef on Mar 5, 2017 14:02:33 GMT
February 1968. The pylon is clearly in a different position here. I think it may been moved to accommodate a ticket/lottery office? These are from an old 'Portrait of Stoke City' book I picked up years ago. The first one is captioned early 60s, shortly after the new Boothen Stand was built, with no floodlights The second one has no date but features Terry Lees training with Alan Dodd, Tommy Walker, Ray Brown and Steve Mason ahead of an FA Youth Cup quarter final against Spurs. It looks like a pylon / flood light is visible on the terracing. The last one is from a 2-2 draw against Leeds on 9 September 1972 with no floodlight visible on the terrace, unless it's further back out of shot (similar to the one in Burnside's earlier post?) They are great photos, but I think the contrast of them has probably lost the details of the pylons. The floodlights were installed in 1956 so they would definitely be in the top one. If you zoom in close on the Geoff Hurst photo you can just about make out the pylon under his right arm. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 14:31:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 14:37:13 GMT
Moved In 62/63 when the Boothen Stand was redeveloped?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 14:44:54 GMT
That Hurst pic 72? Shows a Half built stanchion ???? or am I looking at it wrong
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 5, 2017 14:46:22 GMT
February 1968. The pylon is clearly in a different position here. I think it may have been moved to accommodate a ticket/lottery office? I'm sure I stood next to the pylon when we beat Ipswich 9-1,in the 64/65 season wasn't it? |
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Post by Davef on Mar 5, 2017 14:55:37 GMT
February 1968. The pylon is clearly in a different position here. I think it may have been moved to accommodate a ticket/lottery office? I'm sure I stood next to the pylon when we beat Ipswich 9-1,in the 64/65 season wasn't it? The picture of Stan I posted was his final game in 1965 and the pylon isn't on the Stoke End terrace in that photo. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 5, 2017 22:19:39 GMT
Looks to me like the Stoke End embankment was originally in the corner, with a stand at ground level starting about half way across the end, which was knocked down for an expanded embankment.
What do you think we're looking at in these two photographs with regard to the Stoke End embankment?
They were apparently taken in the same year (1927), are they essentially exactly the same thing but just from different angles?
You see originally I was thinking the second picture was showing the entire completed embankment but now I'm not so sure because clearly it's not yet there (in it's entirety) in the first picture.
If you look at the first picture then the goal posts seem to suggest that the running track is still there, it is clearly still there in the second picture.
Was the full embankment to come later?
Any thoughts?
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 5, 2017 23:09:54 GMT
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Post by davethebass on Mar 6, 2017 0:43:05 GMT
Fantastic old photo. Av at pinch eet |
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Post by Davef on Mar 6, 2017 12:24:25 GMT
 I think this is conclusive proof that the pylon was moved sometime in the mid 60's. I don't know the year the b/w photo was taken, but the team group is from 1969 and the photo on the right is a still from "Shouts for City" in 1975. As I thought the pylon was moved to make way for an office which I'm pretty sure was the first Lottery Office. |
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Post by eddyclamp on Mar 6, 2017 13:14:35 GMT
I think this is conclusive proof that the pylon was moved sometime in the mid 60's. I don't know the year the b/w photo was taken, but the team group is from 1969 and the photo on the right is a still from "Shouts for City" in 1975. As I thought the pylon was moved to make way for an office which I'm pretty sure was the first Lottery Office. Dave , there was also a toilet block down that bottom end of the Stoke end near to that Pylon . Also in the 70`s they built a police control box there. The naughty boys were carted off to it. |
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Post by Davef on Mar 6, 2017 13:16:53 GMT
I think this is conclusive proof that the pylon was moved sometime in the mid 60's. I don't know the year the b/w photo was taken, but the team group is from 1969 and the photo on the right is a still from "Shouts for City" in 1975. As I thought the pylon was moved to make way for an office which I'm pretty sure was the first Lottery Office. Dave , there was also a toilet block down that bottom end of the Stoke end near to that Pylon . Also in the 70`s they built a police control box there. The naughty boys were carted off to it. The police control box went up in 1978 when the old terrace was flattened and the paddock for the Stoke End Stand was built. |
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Post by castleblack on Mar 6, 2017 21:55:08 GMT
Hey is the Roy Brown on the back row of that photo any relation to Dougie Brown the old Mayor and Stoke fan. He looks the spit of him, although it might just be the hairstyle.
Not sure but I found this cracking picture of him but I wasn't sure whether to post it because I'm not convinced that it actually is the Stoke End, it looks like it to some extent but I've always thought of it falling away at the back towards the Butler Street stand, where this doesn't.
What do you think?
..it is the old stoke end in the roy brown photo.if you look closely you can see the slope toward the butler street and there is clearly a chimney stack on the houses, |
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Post by Davef on Mar 6, 2017 22:18:01 GMT
Not sure but I found this cracking picture of him but I wasn't sure whether to post it because I'm not convinced that it actually is the Stoke End, it looks like it to some extent but I've always thought of it falling away at the back towards the Butler Street stand, where this doesn't.
What do you think?
..it is the old stoke end in the roy brown photo.if you look closely you can see the slope toward the butler street and there is clearly a chimney stack on the houses, I really don't think it is the Stoke End. The back of the terracing on the slope towards the Butler Street stand was actually lower than the back row of seating in the stand. That terracing just doesn't slope low enough. |
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 6, 2017 22:27:50 GMT
Looks to me like the Stoke End embankment was originally in the corner, with a stand at ground level starting about half way across the end, which was knocked down for an expanded embankment.
What do you think we're looking at in these two photographs with regard to the Stoke End embankment?
They were apparently taken in the same year (1927), are they essentially exactly the same thing but just from different angles?
You see originally I was thinking the second picture was showing the entire completed embankment but now I'm not so sure because clearly it's not yet there (in it's entirety) in the first picture.
If you look at the first picture then the goal posts seem to suggest that the running track is still there, it is clearly still there in the second picture.
Was the full embankment to come later?
Any thoughts?
To me they show exactly the same thing as I originally said; the embankment starting in the corner and finishing around half way across, at which point the stand starts. The ground level shot seems to show the embankment isn't as steep as it later became though, it looks much steeper in the aerial shot but that's probably just the angle. |
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 6, 2017 22:31:33 GMT
Looks to me like the Stoke End embankment was originally in the corner, with a stand at ground level starting about half way across the end, which was knocked down for an expanded embankment.
What do you think we're looking at in these two photographs with regard to the Stoke End embankment?
They were apparently taken in the same year (1927), are they essentially exactly the same thing but just from different angles?
You see originally I was thinking the second picture was showing the entire completed embankment but now I'm not so sure because clearly it's not yet there (in it's entirety) in the first picture.
If you look at the first picture then the goal posts seem to suggest that the running track is still there, it is clearly still there in the second picture.
Was the full embankment to come later?
Any thoughts?
Actually looking at it again I think the stand is slightly above pitch level so there may be a very very slight embankment there that it sits on, which maybe leading to what you were thinking, unless the pitch is dug down slightly. Either way I think the embankment was not only later expanded but also further built up where it previously already existed. It seems very high and steep in later life. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Mar 6, 2017 22:37:00 GMT
Where about in Copeland street was the brewery and when did it close? Spoke to Alan Mansell Earlier this week..Author of lost liquor license of longton Copeland Street 1907 3 Boulton, Frederick Thomas, waggoner 5 Stanford, Thomas, financier's agent, Copeland House 5A Hackney, Win. B., earthenware dealer 7 Parker, Henry, mechanical engineer 9 Clay, -. Congregational Church Minister, Rev. J. A. Brown, B.A. Midland Railway goods warehouse 11 Showells Brewery Co., Ltd., brewers 11 Shaw, Harry, agent for Showells 13 Jebb, Thomas 15 Evans, Jno., Pike Inn (B.H.) Pim, Geo. and Co., brewers 
19 Evans, Edwin, brewer Keeling, Samuel and Co., timber merchants Anderson, Thos. Brighten, M.B.C.M., physician and surgeon Breeze, Joseph, joiner and builder 23 Breeze, John, insurance agent 25 Hind, Jervis, furniture remover 27 Underwood, William, fitter 29 Hobson, Isabella, Coopers' Arms (F.L.) Nicholls, F.. timber merchant Shorter and Sons, majolica manufacturers Brittain, William, engineer and machinery broker 31 Evans, Wm., compositor 33 Scott, Jas., chimney sweep 35 Parkes. Wm., ironworker 37 Knight, Francis Henry, night watchman 39 Birch, George Henry, green-grocer 41 Barrett, Chas., tent builder 43 Thorley, Reuben, funeral undertaker Cheers mate. My great great grandad on that list haha. Pylon was installed in new position about 1967. I went to my first match in 1964 and can vaguely recall activity in that area a couple years later. Think it coincided with the John Ritchie saga. Could be wrong though. |
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Post by Davef on Mar 6, 2017 22:41:49 GMT
Spoke to Alan Mansell Earlier this week..Author of lost liquor license of longton Copeland Street 1907 3 Boulton, Frederick Thomas, waggoner 5 Stanford, Thomas, financier's agent, Copeland House 5A Hackney, Win. B., earthenware dealer 7 Parker, Henry, mechanical engineer 9 Clay, -. Congregational Church Minister, Rev. J. A. Brown, B.A. Midland Railway goods warehouse 11 Showells Brewery Co., Ltd., brewers 11 Shaw, Harry, agent for Showells 13 Jebb, Thomas 15 Evans, Jno., Pike Inn (B.H.) Pim, Geo. and Co., brewers
19 Evans, Edwin, brewer Keeling, Samuel and Co., timber merchants Anderson, Thos. Brighten, M.B.C.M., physician and surgeon Breeze, Joseph, joiner and builder 23 Breeze, John, insurance agent 25 Hind, Jervis, furniture remover 27 Underwood, William, fitter 29 Hobson, Isabella, Coopers' Arms (F.L.) Nicholls, F.. timber merchant Shorter and Sons, majolica manufacturers Brittain, William, engineer and machinery broker 31 Evans, Wm., compositor 33 Scott, Jas., chimney sweep 35 Parkes. Wm., ironworker 37 Knight, Francis Henry, night watchman 39 Birch, George Henry, green-grocer 41 Barrett, Chas., tent builder 43 Thorley, Reuben, funeral undertaker Cheers mate. My great great grandad on that list haha. Pylon was installed in new position about 1967. I went to my first match in 1964 and can vaguely recall activity in that area a couple years later. Think it coincided with the John Ritchie saga. Could be wrong though. Yes I think you're probably right. The picture of Stan is 64/65 and the West Ham picture is 67/68 so it had to be done in the summer of 65, 66 or 67. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Mar 6, 2017 22:42:25 GMT
Spoke to Alan Mansell Earlier this week..Author of lost liquor license of longton Copeland Street 1907 3 Boulton, Frederick Thomas, waggoner 5 Stanford, Thomas, financier's agent, Copeland House 5A Hackney, Win. B., earthenware dealer 7 Parker, Henry, mechanical engineer 9 Clay, -. Congregational Church Minister, Rev. J. A. Brown, B.A. Midland Railway goods warehouse 11 Showells Brewery Co., Ltd., brewers 11 Shaw, Harry, agent for Showells 13 Jebb, Thomas 15 Evans, Jno., Pike Inn (B.H.) Pim, Geo. and Co., brewers
19 Evans, Edwin, brewer Keeling, Samuel and Co., timber merchants Anderson, Thos. Brighten, M.B.C.M., physician and surgeon Breeze, Joseph, joiner and builder 23 Breeze, John, insurance agent 25 Hind, Jervis, furniture remover 27 Underwood, William, fitter 29 Hobson, Isabella, Coopers' Arms (F.L.) Nicholls, F.. timber merchant Shorter and Sons, majolica manufacturers Brittain, William, engineer and machinery broker 31 Evans, Wm., compositor 33 Scott, Jas., chimney sweep 35 Parkes. Wm., ironworker 37 Knight, Francis Henry, night watchman 39 Birch, George Henry, green-grocer 41 Barrett, Chas., tent builder 43 Thorley, Reuben, funeral undertaker Cheers mate. My great great grandad on that list haha. Pylon was installed in new position about 1967. I went to my first match in 1964 and can vaguely recall activity in that area a couple years later. Think it coincided with the John Ritchie saga. Could be wrong though. And used to stand with my dad and uncle about thirty yards away from said place for about twelve years. 😊 |
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