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Post by andystokey on Feb 26, 2017 1:10:43 GMT
That makes sense. The Boothen was terraced in 1930. Then the Boothen End got a roof circa 32-33 and the Stoke End was terraced about the same time. They removed whatever that building was to square it off and put the terrace in. Hence it is in the non terraced image yet not thereafter. Both the photos show a spanking new roof on the Boothen by 1935 It is strange though that they would a put a roof on the Boothen for the first time circa 32-33 but then replace it just two or three years later.
Although that is what the evidence seems to be suggesting.
If you look at the Stoke End with and without the structure those buildings look like they are below pitch level. The grass bank was steep falling from the Butler St corner to the Boothen Paddock. I suspect that it was less of a stand and more of a way in. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 26, 2017 1:16:28 GMT
It is strange though that they would a put a roof on the Boothen for the first time circa 32-33 but then replace it just two or three years later.
Although that is what the evidence seems to be suggesting.
If you look at the Stoke End with and without the structure those buildings look like they are below pitch level. The grass bank was steep falling from the Butler St corner to the Boothen Paddock. I suspect that it was less of a stand and more of a way in.
I'm not really following you Andy ...
1. Which buildings look like they are below pitch level?
2. How does that relate to the Boothen getting a new roof just two or three years after having it's original one?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 2:35:15 GMT
Oh there's definitely a roof there on yours....
Yep and the picture taken later the same year, with the roof removed.
Date for the photo above is June 1935 (closed season improvements ?) That would back up somewhat the storage shed Staffs mentions The ground has a oval shape in the 1900 map, Running track? maps.nls.uk/view/101596082 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 26, 2017 2:44:39 GMT
Yep and the picture taken later the same year, with the roof removed.
Date for the photo above is June 1935 (closed season improvements ?) That would back up somewhat the storage shed Staffs mentions The ground has a oval shape in the 1900 map, Running track? maps.nls.uk/view/101596082
Didn't we used to share the ground with the athletics team? I think originally it was actually called the Athletic Club ground prior to becoming the Victoria ground.
I don't think it's a storage shed, you can see that the sides are completely open.
What do you think about the difference between the roofs of the Boothen End in the two pictures Burnside?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 3:33:27 GMT
EDIT READ NEXT POST below got map dates wrong... As for the photos it's pretty clear the one you posted is the earlier one, do you have a date from the site you found it? (just reread your earlier post) As for the one I posted that's from, Britain from Above, of which I'm a member, most of us see the publish dates as pretty close. I would say the roof looks about 5ish years older in my photo. That's about right if your photo is from 32/33 Given the environment around the potteries at the time, the bright white asbestos cement roof sheets would discolour very quickly. When the ground was closed for demolition it still had the original roof (asbestos cement very Bright white when new) in place a good 60 odd yrs old , the one you see in the photo. I was involved with a company at the time, around the mid 90's ish, that surveyed the roof on the Boothen for renewal, before it was sent out for tender, It was in a very poor state, believe me. With the new ground being considered and lack of money at the time you can understand why it never got changed. As for the OS maps, in those days it took a couple of years if not more to publish the Maps, if I posted the right map it would help  The storage sheds like the one in the photo were 'Romney style' came in lots of different styles and used for covering all sorts, but mainly aggregates, sand, gravel,timber etc, they were pretty typical of cover/storage sheds of the time, most were easily de-mountable and moved to other sites, they proved a great asset in the up coming war years.  Article from a local historian good read if you haven't seen it before, www.stokesentinel.co.uk/victoria-ground-rector-s-glebe/story-17768101-detail/story.html could have been a storage area for the Reactor?, Lots and lots of building work in the area at the time. I am just surmising with storage sheds though! |
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Post by 3putts on Feb 26, 2017 4:44:27 GMT
Maybe Bristol Rovers, close to gasometer |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 5:46:04 GMT
These links are so interesting because yes, there is clearly a roof at the back of the Stoke End on the picture I posted originally, however there ISN'T one on the picture that you've posted which apparently was taken in 1935 also! Interestingly the first link that you posted shows that there wasn't a roof on the Boothen End at the time. That first link is for 1925........Sorry very late night This the link for 37/38 maps.nls.uk/view/101596076 not published till after the war Just as a foot note to all this the ground must have developed very quickly from 35 onwards 35/36 season averaged over 20.000 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1935%E2%80%9336_Stoke_City_F.C._season36/37 we had 51.373 against The Arse en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%9337_Stoke_City_F.C._seasonb |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 6:53:43 GMT
Maybe Bristol Rovers, close to gasometer Genuinely didn't recognize the Vic from the pic. But then I'm not as old as you. The gasometer threw me, can't ever remember that there. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 6:54:15 GMT
Here you go, try to see whats in the background on here . I'm of to bed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 6:58:04 GMT
EDIT READ NEXT POST below got map dates wrong... As for the photos it's pretty clear the one you posted is the earlier one, do you have a date from the site you found it? (just reread your earlier post) As for the one I posted that's from, Britain from Above, of which I'm a member, most of us see the publish dates as pretty close. I would say the roof looks about 5ish years older in my photo. That's about right if your photo is from 32/33 Given the environment around the potteries at the time, the bright white asbestos cement roof sheets would discolour very quickly. When the ground was closed for demolition it still had the original roof (asbestos cement very Bright white when new) in place a good 60 odd yrs old , the one you see in the photo. I was involved with a company at the time, around the mid 90's ish, that surveyed the roof on the Boothen for renewal, before it was sent out for tender, It was in a very poor state, believe me. With the new ground being considered and lack of money at the time you can understand why it never got changed. As for the OS maps, in those days it took a couple of years if not more to publish the Maps, if I posted the right map it would help The storage sheds like the one in the photo were 'Romney style' came in lots of different styles and used for covering all sorts, but mainly aggregates, sand, gravel,timber etc, they were pretty typical of cover/storage sheds of the time, most were easily de-mountable and moved to other sites, they proved a great asset in the up coming war years. Article from a local historian good read if you haven't seen it before, www.stokesentinel.co.uk/victoria-ground-rector-s-glebe/story-17768101-detail/story.html could have been a storage area for the Reactor?, Lots and lots of building work in the area at the time. I am just surmising with storage sheds though! Holy Shite...They were storing nuclear waste next to a Football Ground... |
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Post by billc on Feb 26, 2017 10:01:27 GMT
One of the earliest memories I have is being on the Stoke End after a game with a bucket collecting fag ends for my Gran who had a cigarette making machines and Rizlas.
Always one for economy was Martha
I would have been about 5
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Post by alster on Feb 26, 2017 10:54:20 GMT
One of the earliest memories I have is being on the Stoke End after a game with a bucket collecting fag ends for my Gran who had a cigarette making machines and Rizlas. Always one for economy was Martha I would have been about 5 Yeah some happy memories particularly on the wider shot. The ground had changed enormously by the time I first started but you can see the route we used to walk in, its got my great Grandmothers house and where we used to stop for fish and chips on wheeldon road, the houses where we used to meet up with my Dad's mate from work, whose Wife used to go too which was quite unusual back then. I don't remember the gas bags either wonder when they were removed. Its surprising that apart from having the A500 threaded through the general layout of the place hasn't changed much really in all that time. |
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Post by Roland the Thompson Gunner on Feb 26, 2017 12:15:29 GMT
It is strange though that they would a put a roof on the Boothen for the first time circa 32-33 but then replace it just two or three years later.
Although that is what the evidence seems to be suggesting.
If you look at the Stoke End with and without the structure those buildings look like they are below pitch level. The grass bank was steep falling from the Butler St corner to the Boothen Paddock. I suspect that it was less of a stand and more of a way in. The bank on the Stoke end was always higher at the Boothen side, the entrance was by the Butler paddock leading to a big flight of steps up the back. The original photo looks to me as though the bank doesn't exist yet, except the bit by the Boothen, so most of the Stoke end is more or less flat with a simple covered area at the back which was all removed when the big terrace was built.. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 26, 2017 13:07:08 GMT
Here you go, try to see whats in the background on here . I'm of to bed.
Great stuff.
On that video there is clearly terracing and crash barriers evident on the Stoke End but I can't see any crash barriers on your photograph.
So either the video isn't from 1934 or the photograph isn't from 1935 but of course they're both very much of that era.
I think you're correct and my picture is a few years earlier than 1935 (1932 ish?) and it's the same roof on the Boothen, it just looks different due to it being brand new and the way in which the sun is catching it.
I don't think the roof on the Stoke End is a storage shed, it looks completely open on all sides to me and appears to literally be a simple roof supported by stanchions.
This picture of the Stoke End is from 1906 when Woolwich Arsenal played Newcastle United in the 1906 FA Cup semi-final.
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Post by lordb on Feb 26, 2017 13:15:22 GMT
Here you go, try to see whats in the background on here . I'm of to bed.
Great stuff.
On that video there is clearly terracing and crash barriers evident on the Stoke End but I can't see any crash barriers on your photograph.
So either the video isn't from 1934 or the photograph isn't from 1935 but of course they're both very much of that era.
I think you're correct and my picture is a few years earlier than 1935 (1932 ish?) and it's the same roof on the Boothen, it just looks different due to it being brand new and the way in which the sun is catching it.
I don't think the roof on the Stoke End is a storage shed, it looks completely open on all sides to me and appears to literally be a simple roof supported by stanchions.
This picture of the Stoke End is from 1906 when Woolwich Arsenal played Newcastle United in the 1906 FA Cup semi-final.
Not seen that picture before. Looks like a roof. As for a previous post the ground had a running track until the Boothen End was built |
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Post by LDE76 on Feb 26, 2017 13:21:52 GMT
Joking apart, I guess there's a pretty good chance that there might be a handful of people still alive who do remember it like that.
Somebody who was seven at the time would be 89 now, so you never know.
Does anybody on here remember the gas tower?
I certainly remember the gas tower,It carried the slogan "Stoke up with coke",I started going in 1956,and it was there for quite a few years after that. Coincidentally, during the earlier years of the Brit/Bet 365, there was a big advertisement bearing John Halls's face and the slogan "Coke up with Stoke"*. *Allegedly. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 13:34:21 GMT
Great stuff.
On that video there is clearly terracing and crash barriers evident on the Stoke End but I can't see any crash barriers on your photograph.
So either the video isn't from 1934 or the photograph isn't from 1935 but of course they're both very much of that era.
I think you're correct and my picture is a few years earlier than 1935 (1932 ish?) and it's the same roof on the Boothen, it just looks different due to it being brand new and the way in which the sun is catching it.
I don't think the roof on the Stoke End is a storage shed, it looks completely open on all sides to me and appears to literally be a simple roof supported by stanchions.
This picture of the Stoke End is from 1906 when Woolwich Arsenal played Newcastle United in the 1906 FA Cup semi-final.
Not seen that picture before. Looks like a roof. As for a previous post the ground had a running track until the Boothen End was built The roofs on the Stoke end are the terraced houses in Selwyn street i think. Just a though here, does anyone think the 'mound' on the Stoke End could be a deliberate attempt to form sloped terracing.? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 26, 2017 22:26:08 GMT
Not seen that picture before. Looks like a roof. As for a previous post the ground had a running track until the Boothen End was built The roofs on the Stoke end are the terraced houses in Selwyn street i think. Just a though here, does anyone think the 'mound' on the Stoke End could be a deliberate attempt to form sloped terracing.?
It's 100% a roof over the Stoke End mate.
And yes you are right, this picture confirms that the 'mound' was a later addition used in an attempt to create a terrace, it also confirms that your map from 1923 was correct also.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 22:41:40 GMT
The roofs on the Stoke end are the terraced houses in Selwyn street i think. Just a though here, does anyone think the 'mound' on the Stoke End could be a deliberate attempt to form sloped terracing.?
It's 100% a roof over the Stoke End mate.
lordb
Well well well, That.s a great photo, no doubting a covered area now. wonder why they took it down, to make a steep uncovered terrace? It does look a lot lower and closer to the pitch than on the photos we've seen, as for the video no sign of a roof! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2017 22:44:11 GMT
The roofs on the Stoke end are the terraced houses in Selwyn street i think. Just a though here, does anyone think the 'mound' on the Stoke End could be a deliberate attempt to form sloped terracing.?
It's 100% a roof over the Stoke End mate.
And yes you are right, this picture confirms that the 'mound' was a later addition used in an attempt to create a terrace.
lordb bayernoatcake Gods
That's awesome! It looks a lot closer to the pitch there. |
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Post by Davef on Feb 26, 2017 22:46:09 GMT
It's 100% a roof over the Stoke End mate.
lordb
Well well well, That.s a great photo, no doubting a covered area now. wonder why they took it down, to make a steep uncovered terrace? It does look a lot lower and closer to the pitch than on the photos we've seen, as for the video no sign of a roof! The ground had a running track around it, so when that was removed there was more space behind the goal and we built a big embankment. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 26, 2017 22:49:47 GMT
It's 100% a roof over the Stoke End mate.
lordb
Well well well, That.s a great photo, no doubting a covered area now. wonder why they took it down, to make a steep uncovered terrace? It does look a lot lower and closer to the pitch than on the photos we've seen, as for the video no sign of a roof!
It pretty much resembles the map you posted from 1923, I guess they kept some sort of covered area when they built the 'mound' which is what you can see in my picture from 1933 ish but it had gone completely by 1935 when they put the proper terrace in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 22:53:44 GMT
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Post by claytonscrubs on Feb 26, 2017 22:56:05 GMT
Picture of it being built in 1963.
Cant believe we let the Vale players practice/train on our pitch I still can't make out what formation they are playing . 442 , 443, 352 ? ...Midfield looks overloaded to me.😉 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2017 22:59:25 GMT
And that one, it looks the millions miles away it does on Pauls photo! What an odd little stand. Great thread. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 26, 2017 23:02:07 GMT
Ah mate, that's fantastic, is that a stand with seats in it on the Boothen side?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 23:26:31 GMT
Looks like it Paul
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 23:35:14 GMT
By 1931 the Boothen End had been fully covered with terracing, while shelter from the elements was also provided. At this point the previous oval-shaped appearance of the stadium had disappeared completely. In 1935 the Butler Street Stand was built and soon became the showcase of the ground. It would hold seating for some 5,000 supporters with additional paddock sections at the front and at each end of the stand. Additional cover was also provided with a barrel-style roofing design More web.archive.org/web/20070508191208/http://stokecity.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=944&p=2&stid=8382833 from the old oatcake on rivals |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 23:40:07 GMT
just this emailed to me 1926, See the Stoke end roof pretty clear if you zoom in, explains why it looks so far back in the 32/35 photos.  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 26, 2017 23:48:57 GMT
just this emailed to me 1926, See the Stoke end roof pretty clear if you zoom in, explains why it looks so far back in the 32/35 photos.
Oh bravo mate, that's absolutely awesome, finally we have a picture of the Victoria Ground with a roof on the Stoke End mound, whilst at the same time, seeing an uncovered Boothen End.
Thanks for this.
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