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Post by Gawa on Aug 25, 2023 9:54:03 GMT
The most alarming thing for me about Donald Trump is his reach. I have people on my Facebook who have no interest in politics in any shape or form that are Trump enthusiasts. And while I know many Trump supporters on here and in America have grown up with an interest and understanding in politics. Its those with little interest which concern me the most. One of then is a friend of mine since primary school. TikTok and Facebook is what he uses for his news sources. And it's not like huddys tweets which relate back to a credible source from a known publisher. These are just random people making videos speaking a load of shite unchallenged and they lap it up. It's very dangerous. I don't personally consider Trump right wing myself. This isn't traditional left/right politics at all. Its much more manipulative pulling on emotions and fear usually with very little political plan. Can anyone possibly inform me of any of Trumps political plans? Aside from building a wall which never happened. Has he ever had any other policies? Maybe some of his super fans can let us know more about his policies. Are you a trump supporter? Which of his policies for the next election makes you prefer Trump over Ron? Weird boast about 5g on that website given alot of his supporters on my Facebook seem to think that 5G poisons you. "Signed the Secure 5G and Beyond Act to ensure America leads the world in 5G." |
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Post by st3mark on Aug 25, 2023 10:08:02 GMT
Are you a trump supporter? Which of his policies for the next election makes you prefer Trump over Ron? Weird boast about 5g on that website given alot of his supporters on my Facebook seem to think that 5G poisons you. "Signed the Secure 5G and Beyond Act to ensure America leads the world in 5G." I suppose his supporters don't have to agree with all of his polices. It's not meant to be a dictatorship after all. I am not a devoted supporter but I do find American politics interesting and follow it. I quite like Ron Desantis also but the deal with the devil he made with Disney is what has lost him his popularity. Trump has proven he can't be bought and Ron has proven that he can. Vivek Ramaswamy would be who got my vote next rather than Ron. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 10:31:43 GMT
Are you a trump supporter? Which of his policies for the next election makes you prefer Trump over Ron? Weird boast about 5g on that website given alot of his supporters on my Facebook seem to think that 5G poisons you. "Signed the Secure 5G and Beyond Act to ensure America leads the world in 5G." I suppose his supporters don't have to agree with all of his polices. It's not meant to be a dictatorship after all. I am not a devoted supporter but I do find American politics interesting and follow it. I quite like Ron Desantis also but the deal with the devil he made with Disney is what has lost him his popularity. Trump has proven he can't be bought and Ron has proven that he can. Vivek Ramaswamy would be who got my vote next rather than Ron. Be nice to see Vivek in the Whitehouse, I think Trump will win it though, I can see him exposing a lot on the left at his 'trial'. A lot more people are aware of media bullshit now compared to just a few years ago. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 25, 2023 10:50:20 GMT
I wonder if there'll ever be a 'Citizen Kane" type film made about him, the original was based on William Randolph Hearst, the founder of 'yellow journalism', inveterate liar and supporter of the Nazi party. There's certainly parallels, they could call it 'Citizen (insert own descriptor here)' 🙂 As soon as he's dead (and he hasn't precipitated the end of civilisation in the meantime!) I think filmmakers will be queuing up to do a biopic of his life. There is so much to get to grips with already and, no doubt, loads more that we don't yet know about because people are worried about his notoriously litigious nature. Just like Nixon, very much a wrong 'un on so many levels. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 10:50:50 GMT
Still am of the strong opinion that he won’t go to prison. I’d be very surprised if he wasn’t found guilty, though. Biden will pardon him.
Shocking to see how low Republicans sank saying that they would support him if he won but was still convicted. Party of Law & Order my ass.
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 10:51:16 GMT
I wonder if there'll ever be a 'Citizen Kane" type film made about him, the original was based on William Randolph Hearst, the founder of 'yellow journalism', inveterate liar and supporter of the Nazi party. There's certainly parallels, they could call it 'Citizen (insert own descriptor here)' 🙂 As soon as he's dead (and he hasn't precipitated the end of civilisation in the meantime!) I think filmmakers will be queuing up to do a biopic of his life. There is so much to get to grips with already and, no doubt, loads more that we don't yet know about because people are worried about his notoriously litigious nature. Just like Nixon, very much a wrong 'un on so many levels. I think Denzel Washington or Will Smith should play him in his Biopic. |
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Post by st3mark on Aug 25, 2023 10:51:44 GMT
I suppose his supporters don't have to agree with all of his polices. It's not meant to be a dictatorship after all. I am not a devoted supporter but I do find American politics interesting and follow it. I quite like Ron Desantis also but the deal with the devil he made with Disney is what has lost him his popularity. Trump has proven he can't be bought and Ron has proven that he can. Vivek Ramaswamy would be who got my vote next rather than Ron. Be nice to see Vivek in the Whitehouse, I think Trump will win it though, I can see him exposing a lot on the left at his 'trial'. A lot more people are aware of media bullshit now compared to just a few years ago. I truly hope so. What's happening to Trump is the most corrupt witch hunt the western world has seen in the history of modern politics. Repeatedly arresting political opponents on bogus charges is what happens in the kind of countries the west usually takes the moral high ground over prior to invasion. The only reason they attack him so much is because what he says is true. If it was false it would be disregarded. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 10:52:24 GMT
Still am of the strong opinion that he won’t go to prison. I’d be very surprised if he wasn’t found guilty, though. Biden will pardon him. Shocking to see how low Republicans sank saying that they would support him if he won but was still convicted. Party of Law & Order my ass. Probably because they wouldn't agree with or believe or accept the conviction. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 25, 2023 10:54:16 GMT
I'd be amazed if it isn't Trump v Biden again, which is as depressing as it was the first time around, aside from seeing the manbaby have his backside handed to him, neither of those two are really fit for leading the most powerful nation in the world.
I expect Trump is already working on his "they stole it again" schtick for December 2024...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 25, 2023 10:54:48 GMT
As soon as he's dead (and he hasn't precipitated the end of civilisation in the meantime!) I think filmmakers will be queuing up to do a biopic of his life. There is so much to get to grips with already and, no doubt, loads more that we don't yet know about because people are worried about his notoriously litigious nature. Just like Nixon, very much a wrong 'un on so many levels. I think Denzel Washington or Will Smith should play him in his Biopic. Jonny Walters |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 25, 2023 10:55:41 GMT
Be nice to see Vivek in the Whitehouse, I think Trump will win it though, I can see him exposing a lot on the left at his 'trial'. A lot more people are aware of media bullshit now compared to just a few years ago. I truly hope so. What's happening to Trump is the most corrupt witch hunt the western world has seen in the history of modern politics. Repeatedly arresting political opponents on bogus charges is what happens in the kind of countries the west usually takes the moral high ground over prior to invasion. The only reason they attack him so much is because what he says is true. If it was false it would be disregarded. Lol. Most of what he says is provably false and it very much isn't disregarded. At least not by his supporters, whom he correctly characterises as still being prepared to support him if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue. There's the mentality of his 'believers' - he's basically engineered a weird cult where people who hate the crookedness of the deep state and the wealthy political establishment are quite happy to elect someone who embodies all of those traits and more! |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 10:58:10 GMT
Be nice to see Vivek in the Whitehouse, I think Trump will win it though, I can see him exposing a lot on the left at his 'trial'. A lot more people are aware of media bullshit now compared to just a few years ago. I truly hope so. What's happening to Trump is the most corrupt witch hunt the western world has seen in the history of modern politics. Repeatedly arresting political opponents on bogus charges is what happens in the kind of countries the west usually takes the moral high ground over prior to invasion. The only reason they attack him so much is because what he says is true. If it was false it would be disregarded. They are terrified of him that's for sure and the more they arrest him and label him and slander him the more his support grows. They're just doing his work for him really as most people can see through media lies, distortion and trickery now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 10:59:13 GMT
Still am of the strong opinion that he won’t go to prison. I’d be very surprised if he wasn’t found guilty, though. Biden will pardon him. Shocking to see how low Republicans sank saying that they would support him if he won but was still convicted. Party of Law & Order my ass. Probably because they wouldn't agree with or believe or accept the conviction. Not good enough. We live in America (I and they at least). Some of the judges involved are Trump appointees! To claim that you are the “Party of Law and Order” and then refuse to back the judicial system is laughably hypocritical. To want a President who has been caught on tape demanding that people “find votes” is laughably UnAmerican. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 11:01:07 GMT
Probably because they wouldn't agree with or believe or accept the conviction. Not good enough. We live in America (I and they at least). Some of the judges involved are Trump appointees! To claim that you are the “Party of Law and Order” and then refuse to back the judicial system is laughably hypocritical. To want a President who has been caught on tape demanding that people “find votes” is laughably UnAmerican. It might not be good enough for you mate but it's good enough for them, that's my point. They'd argue that law and order is law and order but going after Trump is an illegal witch-hunt and nothing to do with law and order. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 25, 2023 11:02:15 GMT
Probably because they wouldn't agree with or believe or accept the conviction. Not good enough. We live in America (I and they at least). Some of the judges involved are Trump appointees! To claim that you are the “Party of Law and Order” and then refuse to back the judicial system is laughably hypocritical. To want a President who has been caught on tape demanding that people “find votes” is laughably UnAmerican. Absolutely. Just like our own Poundland Trump, Boris Johnson, both think they are above the law and consequences and should be allowed to behave anyway they wish. One good aspect of the UK is that a huge majority of people wanted shot of Johnson as a result of his illegality and misdemeanours. Not so the case with Trump in the US, it would appear. |
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Post by elystokie on Aug 25, 2023 11:12:13 GMT
I wonder if there'll ever be a 'Citizen Kane" type film made about him, the original was based on William Randolph Hearst, the founder of 'yellow journalism', inveterate liar and supporter of the Nazi party. There's certainly parallels, they could call it 'Citizen (insert own descriptor here)' 🙂 As soon as he's dead (and he hasn't precipitated the end of civilisation in the meantime!) I think filmmakers will be queuing up to do a biopic of his life. There is so much to get to grips with already and, no doubt, loads more that we don't yet know about because people are worried about his notoriously litigious nature. Just like Nixon, very much a wrong 'un on so many levels. I think Nixon is the 'wronger' of the two currently, his blatantly racist drug policies have been and continue to be incredibly damaging to both the planet and humanity. Of course if Trump gets back in and presses the big red button, as we all know he's batshit mental enough to do, he'll possibly errm trump that 🥴 |
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Post by Northy on Aug 25, 2023 11:12:17 GMT
I suppose his supporters don't have to agree with all of his polices. It's not meant to be a dictatorship after all. I am not a devoted supporter but I do find American politics interesting and follow it. I quite like Ron Desantis also but the deal with the devil he made with Disney is what has lost him his popularity. Trump has proven he can't be bought and Ron has proven that he can. Vivek Ramaswamy would be who got my vote next rather than Ron. Be nice to see Vivek in the Whitehouse, I think Trump will win it though, I can see him exposing a lot on the left at his 'trial'. A lot more people are aware of media bullshit now compared to just a few years ago. Vivek wouldn't have a chance with votes from the Mid West, a Hindu, a Vegetarian and an animal rights activist. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 11:12:45 GMT
Not good enough. We live in America (I and they at least). Some of the judges involved are Trump appointees! To claim that you are the “Party of Law and Order” and then refuse to back the judicial system is laughably hypocritical. To want a President who has been caught on tape demanding that people “find votes” is laughably UnAmerican. Absolutely. Just like our own Poundland Trump, Boris Johnson, both think they are above the law and consequences and should be allowed to behave anyway they wish. One good aspect of the UK is that a huge majority of people wanted shot of Johnson as a result of his illegality and misdemeanours. Not so the case with Trump in the US, it would appear. Johnson shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Trump mate. Bumbling Boris isn't fit to lace Trumps boots. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 11:14:16 GMT
Not good enough. We live in America (I and they at least). Some of the judges involved are Trump appointees! To claim that you are the “Party of Law and Order” and then refuse to back the judicial system is laughably hypocritical. To want a President who has been caught on tape demanding that people “find votes” is laughably UnAmerican. It might not be good enough for you mate but it's good enough for them, that's my point. They'd argue that law and order is law and order but going after Trump is an illegal witch-hunt and nothing to do with law and order. Which is crap. It’s “I love law and order, unless I don’t get my own way, then it’s wrong”, ie hypocrisy. Anyways, even if they do go for it, moderate Republicans are tuning out from Trump. His die-hards will turn up and vote for him but the entire left will vote against him. If the economy continues to improve over here before the next GE, Biden wins. If they voted for someone like Haley, they’d destroy Biden but Trump has to be centre of attention, even if he is least likely to win. He was an awful President. His best accomplishments involved enriching his own wealth and getting the Qatari’s to bail out his son-in-law. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 11:17:23 GMT
It might not be good enough for you mate but it's good enough for them, that's my point. They'd argue that law and order is law and order but going after Trump is an illegal witch-hunt and nothing to do with law and order. Which is crap. It’s “I love law and order, unless I don’t get my own way, then it’s wrong”, ie hypocrisy. Anyways, even if they do go for it, moderate Republicans are tuning out from Trump. His die-hards will turn up and vote for him but the entire left will vote against him. If the economy continues to improve over here before the next GE, Biden wins. If they voted for someone like Haley, they’d destroy Biden but Trump has to be centre of attention, even if he is least likely to win. He was an awful President. His best accomplishments involved enriching his own wealth and getting the Qatari’s to bail out his son-in-law. I'd say it's more " I love law and order when it's applied fairy, equally and consistently and not when used to score political points" I don't think Biden has a chance of winning, everyone can see how completely scrambled his brain is but I suppose we'll just have to wait and see. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 11:30:09 GMT
Which is crap. It’s “I love law and order, unless I don’t get my own way, then it’s wrong”, ie hypocrisy. Anyways, even if they do go for it, moderate Republicans are tuning out from Trump. His die-hards will turn up and vote for him but the entire left will vote against him. If the economy continues to improve over here before the next GE, Biden wins. If they voted for someone like Haley, they’d destroy Biden but Trump has to be centre of attention, even if he is least likely to win. He was an awful President. His best accomplishments involved enriching his own wealth and getting the Qatari’s to bail out his son-in-law. I'd say it's more " I love law and order when it's applied fairy, equally and consistently and not when used to score political points" I don't think Biden has a chance of winning, everyone can see how completely scrambled his brain is but I suppose we'll just have to wait and see. Then they should say that. Their “law and order” comments are always in direct response to Democrats questioning inequalities in the law. Republicans run on a platform of there are no inequalities. Everyone is born with the dream and the opportunity. Our military, police and judicial system is the best in the World. Apparently though, it’s just another lie from weak, manipulative men. You can’t say something in absolute terms as a party slogan and then seek to qualify under your breath when no one is listening. It’s less Biden needing to win, it’s more about the country hating Trump. GE’s all come down to the economy. If it’s stable, Biden wins. Anybody else, Biden loses. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 11:34:55 GMT
One thing from the debate that I did like was the “show of hands” aspect for the Trump question. It should be made this simple. Ask Republicans what issue they care about most, ask nominees to show hands if they would support it. Hold them to it. When they are questioned on it and repeating try to avoid by giving generic big hitter lines from campaigns (looking at you De Santis) they should be put to task.
The American people deserve to know what their candidate stands for (Republican and Democratic). Why make it more complicated than a show of hands at the beginning?
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 11:34:57 GMT
I'd say it's more " I love law and order when it's applied fairy, equally and consistently and not when used to score political points" I don't think Biden has a chance of winning, everyone can see how completely scrambled his brain is but I suppose we'll just have to wait and see. Then they should say that. Their “law and order” comments are always in direct response to Democrats questioning inequalities in the law. Republicans run on a platform of there are no inequalities. Everyone is born with the dream and the opportunity. Our military, police and judicial system is the best in the World. Apparently though, it’s just another lie from weak, manipulative men. You can’t say something in absolute terms as a party slogan and then seek to qualify under your breath when no one is listening. It’s less Biden needing to win, it’s more about the country hating Trump. GE’s all come down to the economy. If it’s stable, Biden wins. Anybody else, Biden loses. They shouldn't have to say "I love law and order when it's applied fairy, equally and consistently and not when used to score political points" though mate that should be obvious to anyone that loves law and order. The country doesn't hate Trump though, the media and the left hate Trump, that's not the same as the whole country hating him. The MSM and the left don't speak for everyone no matter how much they like to pretend otherwise. |
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Post by Gawa on Aug 25, 2023 11:35:33 GMT
Are you a trump supporter? Which of his policies for the next election makes you prefer Trump over Ron? Weird boast about 5g on that website given alot of his supporters on my Facebook seem to think that 5G poisons you. "Signed the Secure 5G and Beyond Act to ensure America leads the world in 5G." I suppose his supporters don't have to agree with all of his polices. It's not meant to be a dictatorship after all. I am not a devoted supporter but I do find American politics interesting and follow it. I quite like Ron Desantis also but the deal with the devil he made with Disney is what has lost him his popularity. Trump has proven he can't be bought and Ron has proven that he can. Vivek Ramaswamy would be who got my vote next rather than Ron. I don't particularly follow it in loads of depth myself and I'm sure alot of the sources I consume are probably bias against trump too. What's the Disney deal that Ron did? Will give Vivek a Google too as don't know much on him. |
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Post by AlliG on Aug 25, 2023 11:36:54 GMT
Something to scare the children!   |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 11:43:09 GMT
I suppose his supporters don't have to agree with all of his polices. It's not meant to be a dictatorship after all. I am not a devoted supporter but I do find American politics interesting and follow it. I quite like Ron Desantis also but the deal with the devil he made with Disney is what has lost him his popularity. Trump has proven he can't be bought and Ron has proven that he can. Vivek Ramaswamy would be who got my vote next rather than Ron. I don't particularly follow it in loads of depth myself and I'm sure alot of the sources I consume are probably bias against trump too. What's the Disney deal that Ron did? Will give Vivek a Google too as don't know much on him. He's sound but like someone said he's a Hindu and a vegetarian which will lose him some votes in the South and Midwest. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 11:46:19 GMT
1st post back on Twitter 😂 Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 11:54:03 GMT
Then they should say that. Their “law and order” comments are always in direct response to Democrats questioning inequalities in the law. Republicans run on a platform of there are no inequalities. Everyone is born with the dream and the opportunity. Our military, police and judicial system is the best in the World. Apparently though, it’s just another lie from weak, manipulative men. You can’t say something in absolute terms as a party slogan and then seek to qualify under your breath when no one is listening. It’s less Biden needing to win, it’s more about the country hating Trump. GE’s all come down to the economy. If it’s stable, Biden wins. Anybody else, Biden loses. They shouldn't have to say "I love law and order when it's applied fairy, equally and consistently and not when used to score political points" though mate that should be obvious to anyone that loves law and order. The country doesn't hate Trump though, the media and the left hate Trump, that's not the same as the whole country hating him. The MSM and the left don't speak for everyone no matter how much they like to pretend otherwise. So, Fox is the biggest MSM in the country. I don’t know why people keep ignoring that. You are correct though, Trump isn’t hated by the country. Merely, he is hated by more in the country than loved, which is still enough to see him fail. However, my statement was too far. I’m not so blind as to believe that law and order is absolutely fair. I do believe that there are huge disparities, chiefly across race and across wealth, that perpetuate worse judicial outcomes for the poorest. However, the Republican platform has been to chastise Democrats who say this, who dare to question if Lady Justice is actually peaking. To slip casually out of that argument now is crap. It wouldn’t annoy me so much if it wasn’t a big part of their platform to reject any nuance in this (unless it benefits them, of course). |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 12:05:02 GMT
They shouldn't have to say "I love law and order when it's applied fairy, equally and consistently and not when used to score political points" though mate that should be obvious to anyone that loves law and order. The country doesn't hate Trump though, the media and the left hate Trump, that's not the same as the whole country hating him. The MSM and the left don't speak for everyone no matter how much they like to pretend otherwise. So, Fox is the biggest MSM in the country. I don’t know why people keep ignoring that. You are correct though, Trump isn’t hated by the country. Merely, he is hated by more in the country than loved, which is still enough to see him fail. However, my statement was too far. I’m not so blind as to believe that law and order is absolutely fair. I do believe that there are huge disparities, chiefly across race and across wealth, that perpetuate worse judicial outcomes for the poorest. However, the Republican platform has been to chastise Democrats who say this, who dare to question if Lady Justice is actually peaking. To slip casually out of that argument now is crap. It wouldn’t annoy me so much if it wasn’t a big part of their platform to reject any nuance in this (unless it benefits them, of course). I'd say he has more fans than people who hate him. The trouble is the law isn't applied fairly, equally and with consistency and it's those that don't subscribe to a woke agenda that are on the wrong side of it, that's why if/when a Republican does something wrong they don't care. Their thinking is "well the left get away with it, it's okay for them, so fuck it we can make our own rules as well if they can". Democrats v Republicans now is the same as Labour v Tory. It's become a team sport and people think that their team is their identity and get offended if someone attacks their team. Absolute pathetic bollocks really. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 25, 2023 12:10:25 GMT
He’s a rapist.
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