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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 11:39:54 GMT
if assad is a crazy suicidal idiot (which he'd have to be to carry out this chemical attack) then why doesn't he just attack US ships in the region and be done with it ? this whole thing makes no sense at all, Assad has shown that he's evil but not stupid, the one thing dictators love the most is power, carrying out such an attack at this time would massively put his grip on power at risk by galvanising international opposition to him. imo either the rebels set this up or the syrian army hit a stockpile of chemicals when they carried out a airstrike on rebel positions. the rush by the Americans to blame assad and carry out strikes is very suspicious, its as if they don't want people to linger too long on the question of who carried out this chemical attack. lest we forget www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22424188Assad is a vile human being and i think he along with russia have underestimated how Trump would respond. Russia have been pushing America's buttons for a while now, and Trump's stance has probably given Assad and Russia too much confidence. The americans will have far more intelligence on this than they have released, america will be watching this war very closely. They will be looking at the tactics which russia use in the event there may be a conflict with them in the future. People are always looking for a conspiracy theory rather than facing upto the fact that Assad has used them before and it is highly likely he used them again. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 7, 2017 12:40:04 GMT
The Washington Post article shows it's the Democrats pushing the Republicans towards the so called nuclear option though. An option that was last used by Democrats in 2013 under the Obama administration. What to do about North Korea? They are testing missiles against UN resolutions. They are threatening South Korea and Japan. Even threatening the US with hollow claims of 'preemptive strikes'. China is North Korea's only sympathetic colleague who's leader is meeting Trump this week. A meeting that was no doubt planned well in advance. Of course Trump will talk tough because it's only China that can calm North Korea down. China has huge control over the politics in North Korea as it's happy having North Korea as a buffer zone between it's border and the US friendly South Korea. Looks like I got the wrong "foreign adventure" rog. As to Korea, they are looking for a food and aid handout with all this sabre rattling. They have been paid off that way before. They may be in for a shock, unless they learn the lesson Trump handed out last night. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 7, 2017 12:53:21 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 7, 2017 12:56:54 GMT
The Washington Post article shows it's the Democrats pushing the Republicans towards the so called nuclear option though. An option that was last used by Democrats in 2013 under the Obama administration. What to do about North Korea? They are testing missiles against UN resolutions. They are threatening South Korea and Japan. Even threatening the US with hollow claims of 'preemptive strikes'. China is North Korea's only sympathetic colleague who's leader is meeting Trump this week. A meeting that was no doubt planned well in advance. Of course Trump will talk tough because it's only China that can calm North Korea down. China has huge control over the politics in North Korea as it's happy having North Korea as a buffer zone between it's border and the US friendly South Korea. Looks like I got the wrong "foreign adventure" rog. As to Korea, they are looking for a food and aid handout with all this sabre rattling. They have been paid off that way before. They may be in for a shock, unless they learn the lesson Trump handed out last night. Ahh yes now I understand. True about North Korea. Recent private and public assassinations seem to show a certain instability surrounding Jong un's administration that often comes when the commie wheels are coming off the empty bread wagon. |
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Post by serpico on Apr 7, 2017 14:09:24 GMT
if assad is a crazy suicidal idiot (which he'd have to be to carry out this chemical attack) then why doesn't he just attack US ships in the region and be done with it ? this whole thing makes no sense at all, Assad has shown that he's evil but not stupid, the one thing dictators love the most is power, carrying out such an attack at this time would massively put his grip on power at risk by galvanising international opposition to him. imo either the rebels set this up or the syrian army hit a stockpile of chemicals when they carried out a airstrike on rebel positions. the rush by the Americans to blame assad and carry out strikes is very suspicious, its as if they don't want people to linger too long on the question of who carried out this chemical attack. lest we forget www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22424188Assad is a vile human being and i think he along with russia have underestimated how Trump would respond. Russia have been pushing America's buttons for a while now, and Trump's stance has probably given Assad and Russia too much confidence. The americans will have far more intelligence on this than they have released, america will be watching this war very closely. They will be looking at the tactics which russia use in the event there may be a conflict with them in the future. People are always looking for a conspiracy theory rather than facing upto the fact that Assad has used them before and it is highly likely he used them again. so Assad decided to gas a bunch of kids on purpose just because he's a vile bastard ? thats the theory here ? he just randomly decides to use sarin gas rather than conventional bombs he'd been using successfully for the last year or so ? btw read the link, even the UN officials said the last chemical attack was likely carried out by the rebels, they have sarin and they have the motive to carry this out at this time. why did the US act so quickly with no investigation first ? Assad is going nowhere any time soon so why not establish what happened first ?... imo because they didn't want what happened last time to happen again, last time they waited and doubt was cast on who carried out the attacks. If i remember rightly John Kerry promised to release a white paper proving beyond doubt Assad did it, to my knowledge the paper was never released. call me what you want, i'm calling bullshit on this one, the timing is way to convenient. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Apr 7, 2017 17:50:28 GMT
US backed terrorists moderate rebels attack civilians with Sarin that they liberated from Assad's stockpile, the World blames it on the Assad regime and Trump orders Al-Qaeda's Naval support to level a Syrian air base. An airbase, I might add, that is a major part of the absolute pounding that said US backed terrorists moderate rebels have been on the end of recently. It can't be a coincidence that all this shit happened right as Assad, and his Russian allies (who were actually invited by the legitimate government), were about to take back vast swathes of land and most likely enter the final phase of 'winning' the conflict. Someone is going to look like a right Muppet when the truth comes out. Exactly this. It's all too convenient. Assad was winning the fight, the 'moderate rebels' were losing ground all over the place, why would Assad then order a chemical airstrike? It makes no sense whatsoever. Why would it just be one bomb, too? Lets use normal bombs everywhere else but just drop this one chemical bomb in this one spot to kill a couple of dozen people? That makes no sense either. What makes far more sense is a desperate enemy who we have seen numerous times have no morals at all, who're being defeated left, right & centre have one final desperate idea of trying to get some chemical weapons. A bomb from a Syrian airforce jet hits the building the chemicals were stored in & we get this small area affected which kills the couple of dozen people nearby. When it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for one side to do it, and there isn't a person on Earth who would put it passed the other side doing it if they got the chance, I know where my money would be going. War-mongerers like McCain & Hillary are jumping for joy, CNN are having pro-Trump guest after pro-Trump guest... The machine has got it's way. Trump takes on Assad, Putin lets him do it and then the HUGE US/Russian oil deal that Obama effectively cancelled when he imposed sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine conflict gets to go ahead. Cynical? Moi? What's this US/Russia deal? As far as I was aware they were backing different pipelines, hence this entire conflict poping up in the first place? Russia were backing the Iran - Iraq - Syria pipeline (Low & behold a bunch of 'moderate rebels' pop-up all throughout northern Iraq & Syria exactly where this pipeline would be running) And the US were backing the Qatar - Saudi - Syria - Turkey pipeline (Which the Government of one of those countries was against, guess which one) And why would Putin throw Russia's military might behind Assad, only to then have Trump kick Assad's arse, which would mean Putin has to retreat I'm guessing & look a weak fool. Or are you saying Putin turns on Assad aswell? (Which surely still makes him look a massive fool) This deal. This is the first article I found, I have no idea which side of the debate the article is biased towards, but it gives you an outline of the deal I mentioned |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 7, 2017 18:11:02 GMT
Okay, thanks for the link... I'm not really sure what it has to do with Syria though? Unless I'm reading it wrong it's all about Exxon owning some land in Russia they want to drill for oil in? Why would that have anything to do with Russia backing Assad, then for some reason letting Trump come bowling in & kick them back out of the country & overthrow him? ... I couldn't help but notice Rachel Maddow's name in there, too. She is at the very top of the tree of the raging hysterical "Russia hacked the election, Trump is a plant by Putin" brigade.... Which again makes no sense, if Trump is a Putin plant, why is he firing missiles at one of his allies? |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Apr 7, 2017 18:22:13 GMT
Okay, thanks for the link... I'm not really sure what it has to do with Syria though? Unless I'm reading it wrong it's all about Exxon owning some land in Russia they want to drill for oil in? Why would that have anything to do with Russia backing Assad, then for some reason letting Trump come bowling in & kick them back out of the country & overthrow him? ... I couldn't help but notice Rachel Maddow's name in there, too. She is at the very top of the tree of the raging hysterical "Russia hacked the election, Trump is a plant by Putin" brigade.... Which again makes no sense, if Trump is a Putin plant, why is he firing missiles at one of his allies? You need to step back and take less notice of the detail and see the bigger picture, you're looking at small (sick) moves in a bigger game. Let's see how things pan out and how long it takes before the $500 Exxon deal with Rosneft is back on. I'm guessing it will take about 18 months. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 7, 2017 18:31:15 GMT
You need to step back and take less notice of the detail and see the bigger picture, you're looking at small (sick) moves in a bigger game. Let's see how things pan out and how long it takes before the $500 Exxon deal with Rosneft is back on. I'm guessing it will take about 18 months. I don't doubt for a second that this deal could still happen, but I don't get the logic behind it. If Trump is a Putin plant then why don't they just do the deal? Why does it take Putin firing up the Russian war machine, Trump then making Putin look like a fool, all over some country in the middle east? It makes no sense, Putin gets made to look a dick, Trump loses half of his supporters for being a prick, all for the sake of doing a deal which they could easily do if the "Trump is a Putin plant" stories were true. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Apr 7, 2017 20:16:21 GMT
You need to step back and take less notice of the detail and see the bigger picture, you're looking at small (sick) moves in a bigger game. Let's see how things pan out and how long it takes before the $500 Exxon deal with Rosneft is back on. I'm guessing it will take about 18 months. I don't doubt for a second that this deal could still happen, but I don't get the logic behind it. If Trump is a Putin plant then why don't they just do the deal? Why does it take Putin firing up the Russian war machine, Trump then making Putin look like a fool, all over some country in the middle east? It makes no sense, Putin gets made to look a dick, Trump loses half of his supporters for being a prick, all for the sake of doing a deal which they could easily do if the "Trump is a Putin plant" stories were true. I've not called Trump a Putin plant, and if you don't understand the thrust of what playing the long game is, then that's fine with me. I'm not seeing Putin looking like a fool yet either, far from it. |
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Post by manmarking on Apr 7, 2017 20:32:56 GMT
Putin and Trump are both masters of disinformation. Who's to say that this attack isn't just part of an ongoing narrative that's being created for general consumption? Certainly deflects from all the accusations of Trump being backed by Putin. People need to understand that to Putin/Trump, Syria is a really very minor, insignificant pawn. The war there and its direct effects on ordinary people are literally irrelevant to them. It's a laboratory.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 21:04:35 GMT
Assad is a vile human being and i think he along with russia have underestimated how Trump would respond. Russia have been pushing America's buttons for a while now, and Trump's stance has probably given Assad and Russia too much confidence. The americans will have far more intelligence on this than they have released, america will be watching this war very closely. They will be looking at the tactics which russia use in the event there may be a conflict with them in the future. People are always looking for a conspiracy theory rather than facing upto the fact that Assad has used them before and it is highly likely he used them again. so Assad decided to gas a bunch of kids on purpose just because he's a vile bastard ? thats the theory here ? he just randomly decides to use sarin gas rather than conventional bombs he'd been using successfully for the last year or so ? btw read the link, even the UN officials said the last chemical attack was likely carried out by the rebels, they have sarin and they have the motive to carry this out at this time. why did the US act so quickly with no investigation first ? Assad is going nowhere any time soon so why not establish what happened first ?... imo because they didn't want what happened last time to happen again, last time they waited and doubt was cast on who carried out the attacks. If i remember rightly John Kerry promised to release a white paper proving beyond doubt Assad did it, to my knowledge the paper was never released. call me what you want, i'm calling bullshit on this one, the timing is way to convenient. Didn't they bomb the hospital afterwards too. Assad wants rid of anyone who oppose him, even civilians. I honestly think he thought he could get away with it. The only country who would have stepped in to stop him would be the US, and Trump more or less said leave it to russia, America is not getting involved. Russia have played a massive part in keeping everyone else out if it, and they seem happy to let Assad do what he wants. I don't think barbaric leaders like Assad do things which make sense. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 11, 2017 15:56:41 GMT
U-S-A........ U-S-A.......... U-S-A 
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 11, 2017 16:04:34 GMT
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Post by Mendicant on Apr 11, 2017 16:35:20 GMT
My guess is this is all designed to make South Korea order more military hardware from the US. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 11, 2017 16:49:09 GMT
U-S-A........ U-S-A.......... U-S-A We could possibly see a second military strike against a second country in a week! For a man who said he didn't believe in overseas military engagement he's done a 180 degree U-turn in 100 days as POTUS! If Trumpski is that adept at U-turns perhaps M/s May will make him Chancellor of the Exchequer? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 11, 2017 17:02:47 GMT
My guess is this is all designed to make South Korea order more military hardware from the US. Well the Chinese have started buying more coking coal..... Attachment Deleted |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Apr 11, 2017 17:37:01 GMT
That first tweet is designed to make it look like China is acting as a result of talks with Trump, yet the decision to ban imports of coal was taken in February. Trump taking on the PRK is particularly interesting, as it's been US policy to keep poking North Korea with a big stick to destabilise the Chinese economy, it was Obama's favorite tool to fight back at China whenever it wanted to devalue it's currency against the USD. If the US manage to remove The Supreme Leader, then this would be good news for China, as it is politically impossible for them to invade the PKA. As ever, I don't believe for one second that Trump is taking on the PKA because he thinks it's the right thing to do, he's doing it because it's a great business deal. Whether Obama's take on the PKA is any better than Trump's I don't know, Seeing the back of Kim Jong-un can only be a good thing in my book. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 17:56:59 GMT
U-S-A........ U-S-A.......... U-S-A We could possibly see a second military strike against a second country in a week! For a man who said he didn't believe in overseas military engagement he's done a 180 degree U-turn in 100 days as POTUS! If Trumpski is that adept at U-turns perhaps M/s May will make him Chancellor of the Exchequer? I don't think Trump is in the mood to play games. He is forcing other countries to play their hands, your either with them or against them. World peace is the goal. The North Korea situation needs sorting, it is worrying that they have been allowed to progress as far as they have. As for Russia, they like to play games and manipulate and it could get messy, Putin has built up a reputation now and it will be difficult for him to back down to the US now. Trump is certainly not Obama and if Putin did tamper with the elections to aid Trump, then he might have backed the wrong horse. If Putin did have something on Trump, then he would be a fool to release it as it would prove our intelligence to be correct and would be a bit of an own goal. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 11, 2017 19:41:20 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Apr 11, 2017 20:43:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 21:24:06 GMT
Is he America's Boris Johnson? |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 12, 2017 9:59:51 GMT
Melania Trump wins case against British newspaper regarding their untrue suggestions about her work in Italy as a model! How could anyone make such terrible accusations about such an upstanding professional? Well, maybe not that upstanding? Haha! Haha!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 12, 2017 12:27:42 GMT
Is he America's Boris Johnson? His apology wasn't much better gaffe wise: "I needed to make sure I clarify and not [be] any more of a distraction from the President's decisive action in Syria and the attempts that he's making to de-stabilise the region" Oops  Freudian slip perhaps?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 19:32:11 GMT
Is he America's Boris Johnson? His apology wasn't much better gaffe wise: "I needed to make sure I clarify and not [be] any more of a distraction from the President's decisive action in Syria and the attempts that he's making to de-stabilise the region" Oops Freudian slip perhaps? Americans don't tend to know anything other than American history or their version of it, so they should really try and stop making comparisons on anything outside of the their country. Saying that boris johnson was born in america, says it all really. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 13, 2017 17:27:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 17:42:42 GMT
It seems more like a scare tactic to me aimed at north korea. It's a funny game chess, i wonder who will make a move next? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 13, 2017 17:59:09 GMT
We'll have to change it from Kabul to Kaboom.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 18:09:37 GMT
So that's what they did with Thunderbird 1
Thunderbird 2 should make quite a bang^
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Post by themistocles on Apr 13, 2017 20:29:51 GMT
I'm just waiting for the hysterical liberal feminists outrage at the fact someone named the bomb "mother or all bombs" #staygenderneutral
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