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Post by Skankmonkey on Mar 25, 2017 12:12:12 GMT
Fails to repeal "ObamaCare".
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/donald-trumps-obamacare-repeal-bill-hangs-balance-republicans2/
This is the fundamental problem with "populism". Ultimately, in the chase for votes, it always promises more than it can deliver. It is doomed to failure.
That, combined with the sense of bitter grievance and victimhood fostered in it's target electorate is a toxic mix. What is likely to follow in the wake of the perceived "betrayals", failure and broken promises of the populists should scare the pants off all of us. 
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 25, 2017 21:37:39 GMT
After yesterday's incident in London, I wonder if Trump will now ban cars in America Yes, he will ban the import of cars made in predominantly Muslim countries. Like the Saudi Quattro with a roof iraq |
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 30, 2017 0:29:56 GMT
Anyone else enjoying the BBC's sarcasm campaign since Trump banned them from briefings? They just use his own words, yesterday's speech was described on 5Live as saying it would be a great, great wall and would keep bad people out  The ever impartial BBC? I know! Can't believe anyone as consistently right of centre as BBC news would do that, there's hope for them after all. |
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Post by djduncanjames on Mar 30, 2017 2:51:58 GMT
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2017 7:38:13 GMT
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2017 7:39:16 GMT
I know! Can't believe anyone as consistently right of centre as BBC news would do that, there's hope for them after all.  |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 30, 2017 8:02:53 GMT
Now a coal company boss is coming out and saying the stuff about coal jobs was lies - it's all about profits for the coal companies. Yet again, it's money for Trump's people, the millionaire+ club. He doesn't give a shit about anyone else. Coal companies are getting relief - they're skipping out on billions in payments for taxpayer-owned coal, for cleaning up the fucking disgusting poisonous mess they've made that kills people, and for looking after coal miners with black lung. Tens of billions of taxpayer cash pouring to their CEOs and shareholders and most of the miners won't get their jobs back because it's cheaper to use a robot to strip mine the Powder River basin in Wyoming than it is to pay West Virginians to dig into the Appalachians. And Trump's orders on global warming yesterday were a disgusting fuck you to everyone who's going to be alive in the future, although he knows his millionaire+ buddies will get along aright, it's just the poor and the young who'll be fucked. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Mar 30, 2017 16:17:39 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 30, 2017 18:03:42 GMT
I know! Can't believe anyone as consistently right of centre as BBC news would do that, there's hope for them after all. In fairness, I think Channel 4 is more anti-Trump and anti-Brexit than the Beeb, now. Sky is shockingly biased, too. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 31, 2017 14:25:41 GMT
Didn't want start a new thread so I'll just chuck it in here as it's kind of related... As Newspaper headlines go this fucker must take some beating in the irony stakes  |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 4, 2017 13:54:20 GMT
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Post by duckling on Apr 5, 2017 1:59:10 GMT
As an American I'm fucking ashamed of my country. Let me take that back. I'm fucking ashamed of half of my country.
I'm glad to live in a liberal area.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 6, 2017 22:03:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 22:22:52 GMT
It makes you wonder what russia's involvement in this was too. They have purposely been trying to push buttons for a while now and they could be as guilty as assad. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 6, 2017 22:41:50 GMT
It makes you wonder what russia's involvement in this was too. They have purposely been trying to push buttons for a while now and they could be as guilty as assad. I was thinking that if there was some sort of mutual "understanding" between Putin and Trump it presented a great one off chance to try and "fix" the Middle East as a whole, with both working together for once; and while China is concentrating on Africa and doesn't have a dog in the fight. ie - Kill daesh, impose a joint solution on Syria, knock Saudi/Iranian heads together and finally "solve" Israel/Palestine. The sort of thing Blair tried to sell us before the Iraq war. As it is, it could get hairy if the US targets the Syrians. There are a lot of russkies in residence! It would have to be a "surgical" strike - which is why I'm thinking Tomahawks, and flagged up as a strictly limited one off. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 22:57:19 GMT
It makes you wonder what russia's involvement in this was too. They have purposely been trying to push buttons for a while now and they could be as guilty as assad. I was thinking that if there was some sort of mutual "understanding" between Putin and Trump it presented a great one off chance to try and "fix" the Middle East as a whole, with both working together for once; and while China is concentrating on Africa and doesn't have a dog in the fight. ie - Kill daesh, impose a joint solution on Syria, knock Saudi/Iranian heads together and finally "solve" Israel/Palestine. The sort of thing Blair tried to sell us before the Iraq war. As it is, it could get hairy if the US targets the Syrians. There are a lot of russkies in residence! It would have to be a "surgical" strike - which is why I'm thinking Tomahawks, and flagged up as a strictly limited one off. It is quite interesting how Putin will react. If he continues to back assad he is effectively a rogue. He has the chance to move away from assad if he played no part in the chemical attack, and could then become the solution to bringing peace to syria. If russian soldiers are fighting alongside assads army, then America will have to be extra careful if they do strike. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 6, 2017 23:11:27 GMT
I was thinking that if there was some sort of mutual "understanding" between Putin and Trump it presented a great one off chance to try and "fix" the Middle East as a whole, with both working together for once; and while China is concentrating on Africa and doesn't have a dog in the fight. ie - Kill daesh, impose a joint solution on Syria, knock Saudi/Iranian heads together and finally "solve" Israel/Palestine. The sort of thing Blair tried to sell us before the Iraq war. As it is, it could get hairy if the US targets the Syrians. There are a lot of russkies in residence! It would have to be a "surgical" strike - which is why I'm thinking Tomahawks, and flagged up as a strictly limited one off. It is quite interesting how Putin will react. If he continues to back assad he is effectively a rogue. He has the chance to move away from assad if he played no part in the chemical attack, and could then become the solution to bringing peace to syria. If russian soldiers are fighting alongside assads army, then America will have to be extra careful if they do strike. Time will tell no doubt. If the US and Russia can manage to work together though, it makes peace in the region as close as it's ever going to get. Imagine Trump/Putin as joint Nobel Peace prize winners. |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Apr 7, 2017 2:08:00 GMT
Here we go. Not surprising, I mean you don't increase military spending unless you plan on starting more wars, and I imagine this is going to bring up Trump's approval ratings big time.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 7, 2017 4:15:07 GMT
Targeted Tomahawk attack {59 missiles} from warships.
Talk of beautiful babies and children of God from Trump as he strikes airfields and such in Syria.
{Facilities previously used to launch attacks on IS etc}.
Fucked up stuff though apparently it's been done in consultation with Russia, although we've been urging a more diplomatic approach.
Is it worth cleaning out the Anderson and dusting off the vhs of 'When the Wind Blows'?
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Post by chuffedstokie on Apr 7, 2017 5:19:38 GMT
It looks as though the perfect opportunity has landed in his lap early to flex the US muscle.
I'm off under the stairs.
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Post by Boothen on Apr 7, 2017 5:56:47 GMT
US backed terrorists moderate rebels attack civilians with Sarin that they liberated from Assad's stockpile, the World blames it on the Assad regime and Trump orders Al-Qaeda's Naval support to level a Syrian air base. An airbase, I might add, that is a major part of the absolute pounding that said US backed terrorists moderate rebels have been on the end of recently. It can't be a coincidence that all this shit happened right as Assad, and his Russian allies (who were actually invited by the legitimate government), were about to take back vast swathes of land and most likely enter the final phase of 'winning' the conflict.
Someone is going to look like a right Muppet when the truth comes out.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Apr 7, 2017 6:21:54 GMT
Trump takes on Assad, Putin lets him do it and then the HUGE US/Russian oil deal that Obama effectively cancelled when he imposed sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine conflict gets to go ahead. Cynical? Moi?
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Post by felonious on Apr 7, 2017 6:50:08 GMT
It is quite interesting how Putin will react. If he continues to back assad he is effectively a rogue. He has the chance to move away from assad if he played no part in the chemical attack, and could then become the solution to bringing peace to syria. If russian soldiers are fighting alongside assads army, then America will have to be extra careful if they do strike. Time will tell no doubt. If the US and Russia can manage to work together though, it makes peace in the region as close as it's ever going to get. Imagine Trump/Putin as joint Nobel Peace prize winners. Imagine all the people living life in peace. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 7, 2017 7:01:33 GMT
US backed terrorists moderate rebels attack civilians with Sarin that they liberated from Assad's stockpile, the World blames it on the Assad regime and Trump orders Al-Qaeda's Naval support to level a Syrian air base. An airbase, I might add, that is a major part of the absolute pounding that said US backed terrorists moderate rebels have been on the end of recently. It can't be a coincidence that all this shit happened right as Assad, and his Russian allies (who were actually invited by the legitimate government), were about to take back vast swathes of land and most likely enter the final phase of 'winning' the conflict. Someone is going to look like a right Muppet when the truth comes out. Exactly this. It's all too convenient. Assad was winning the fight, the 'moderate rebels' were losing ground all over the place, why would Assad then order a chemical airstrike? It makes no sense whatsoever. Why would it just be one bomb, too? Lets use normal bombs everywhere else but just drop this one chemical bomb in this one spot to kill a couple of dozen people? That makes no sense either. What makes far more sense is a desperate enemy who we have seen numerous times have no morals at all, who're being defeated left, right & centre have one final desperate idea of trying to get some chemical weapons. A bomb from a Syrian airforce jet hits the building the chemicals were stored in & we get this small area affected which kills the couple of dozen people nearby. When it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for one side to do it, and there isn't a person on Earth who would put it passed the other side doing it if they got the chance, I know where my money would be going. War-mongerers like McCain & Hillary are jumping for joy, CNN are having pro-Trump guest after pro-Trump guest... The machine has got it's way. Trump takes on Assad, Putin lets him do it and then the HUGE US/Russian oil deal that Obama effectively cancelled when he imposed sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine conflict gets to go ahead. Cynical? Moi? What's this US/Russia deal? As far as I was aware they were backing different pipelines, hence this entire conflict poping up in the first place? Russia were backing the Iran - Iraq - Syria pipeline (Low & behold a bunch of 'moderate rebels' pop-up all throughout northern Iraq & Syria exactly where this pipeline would be running) And the US were backing the Qatar - Saudi - Syria - Turkey pipeline (Which the Government of one of those countries was against, guess which one) And why would Putin throw Russia's military might behind Assad, only to then have Trump kick Assad's arse, which would mean Putin has to retreat I'm guessing & look a weak fool. Or are you saying Putin turns on Assad aswell? (Which surely still makes him look a massive fool) |
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Post by serpico on Apr 7, 2017 7:10:43 GMT
US backed terrorists moderate rebels attack civilians with Sarin that they liberated from Assad's stockpile, the World blames it on the Assad regime and Trump orders Al-Qaeda's Naval support to level a Syrian air base. An airbase, I might add, that is a major part of the absolute pounding that said US backed terrorists moderate rebels have been on the end of recently. It can't be a coincidence that all this shit happened right as Assad, and his Russian allies (who were actually invited by the legitimate government), were about to take back vast swathes of land and most likely enter the final phase of 'winning' the conflict. Someone is going to look like a right Muppet when the truth comes out. Exactly this. It's all too convenient. Assad was winning the fight, the 'moderate rebels' were losing ground all over the place, why would Assad then order a chemical airstrike? It makes no sense whatsoever. Why would it just be one bomb, too? Lets use normal bombs everywhere else but just drop this one chemical bomb in this one spot to kill a couple of dozen people? That makes no sense either. What makes far more sense is a desperate enemy who we have seen numerous times have no morals at all, who're being defeated left, right & centre have one final desperate idea of trying to get some chemical weapons. A bomb from a Syrian airforce jet hits the building the chemicals were stored in & we get this small area affected which kills the couple of dozen people nearby. When it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for one side to do it, and there isn't a person on Earth who would put it passed the other side doing it if they got the chance, I know where my money would be going. War-mongerers like McCain & Hillary are jumping for joy, CNN are having pro-Trump guest after pro-Trump guest... The machine has got it's way. Trump takes on Assad, Putin lets him do it and then the HUGE US/Russian oil deal that Obama effectively cancelled when he imposed sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine conflict gets to go ahead. Cynical? Moi? What's this US/Russia deal? As far as I was aware they were backing different pipelines, hence this entire conflict poping up in the first place? Russia were backing the Iran - Iraq - Syria pipeline (Low & behold a bunch of 'moderate rebels' pop-up all throughout northern Iraq & Syria exactly where this pipeline would be running) And the US were backing the Qatar - Saudi - Syria - Turkey pipeline (Which the Government of one of those countries was against, guess which one) And why would Putin throw Russia's military might behind Assad, only to then have Trump kick Assad's arse, which would mean Putin has to retreat I'm guessing & look a weak fool. Or are you saying Putin turns on Assad aswell? (Which surely still makes him look a massive fool) this chemical attack is suspicious as hell! as many have noted, it makes absolutely no sense, tactically, for assad to have carried this out at this time, on the other hand it's perfect timing for his opponents. Assad, just like saddam and gadaffi, is evil, but he's not a suicidal idiot. There would be absolutely nothing to gain, and everything to lose, for him doing this at this juncture. Look how quickly the US moved to blame assad and carry out these airstrikes, are they doing this before the truth came out and stymies the response like it did last time Assad was accused of a chemical attack ? but apparently if you even dare question the narrative of known liars then you're a Putin stooge. |
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Post by Northy on Apr 7, 2017 7:54:01 GMT
US backed terrorists moderate rebels attack civilians with Sarin that they liberated from Assad's stockpile, the World blames it on the Assad regime and Trump orders Al-Qaeda's Naval support to level a Syrian air base. An airbase, I might add, that is a major part of the absolute pounding that said US backed terrorists moderate rebels have been on the end of recently. It can't be a coincidence that all this shit happened right as Assad, and his Russian allies (who were actually invited by the legitimate government), were about to take back vast swathes of land and most likely enter the final phase of 'winning' the conflict. Someone is going to look like a right Muppet when the truth comes out. legitimate government  in those free and fair elections they held  |
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Post by serpico on Apr 7, 2017 9:18:55 GMT
if assad is a crazy suicidal idiot (which he'd have to be to carry out this chemical attack) then why doesn't he just attack US ships in the region and be done with it ? this whole thing makes no sense at all, Assad has shown that he's evil but not stupid, the one thing dictators love the most is power, carrying out such an attack at this time would massively put his grip on power at risk by galvanising international opposition to him. imo either the rebels set this up or the syrian army hit a stockpile of chemicals when they carried out a airstrike on rebel positions. the rush by the Americans to blame assad and carry out strikes is very suspicious, its as if they don't want people to linger too long on the question of who carried out this chemical attack. lest we forget www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22424188 |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 7, 2017 9:48:18 GMT
Cruise missiles then, as expected. Fifty-nine @ $50m. Almost certainly a "one off". Russia's response muted so far. Emegency Security Council meeting later today no doubt.
Russia won't escalate further unless Tartus naval base is threatened somehow. There is some potential for an unplanned clash with both Russian and US planes in the same airspace attacking daesh though.
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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 7, 2017 10:19:15 GMT
Apparently there is a Donald trump sex tape on the internet now
Just type fifty shades of orange into google search |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 7, 2017 11:00:54 GMT
The Washington Post article shows it's the Democrats pushing the Republicans towards the so called nuclear option though. An option that was last used by Democrats in 2013 under the Obama administration. What to do about North Korea? They are testing missiles against UN resolutions. They are threatening South Korea and Japan. Even threatening the US with hollow claims of 'preemptive strikes'. China is North Korea's only sympathetic colleague who's leader is meeting Trump this week. A meeting that was no doubt planned well in advance. Of course Trump will talk tough because it's only China that can calm North Korea down. China has huge control over the politics in North Korea as it's happy having North Korea as a buffer zone between it's border and the US friendly South Korea. |
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