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Post by elystokie on Nov 2, 2024 13:31:19 GMT
So you admit that it's just a case of his word against hers. Hers might be true and he could be lying. I don't believe that the legal case, for reasons I described, is sufficient to make a solid conclusion. I'm not saying that she lied because of her book, but when trying to understand who is lying in a 50/50 toss up, it might be relevant to consider any possible incentives people might have. The reasons for Trump wanting to cover it up are self evident. Are you saying it's impossible that she is lying? The second case of is hardly revealing because Trump went scorched earth and of course she would win a case for defamation. If I was a rich guy wrongly accused, I would likely go scorched earth too. I'm not saying he definitely didn't, just that this second case doesn't reveal very much. I'm not even a fan of Trump. I actually hate a lot of things he says and does. I would have voted for Ron Desantis in the primary if I was American. If it was Desantis, half the people on this thread would be calling him a fascist too. There are genuine concerns about Trump being in power and, as much I think they're overblown and misrepresented in a lot of the media, I can concede that the concerns are real. I would definitely choose a centre/left Bill Clinton type option over Trump, to mitigate that risk, yet that isn't the situation. We've got the world on fire Biden/Harris circus. I think the Taliban have done more harm to more women that Donald Trump, for example, and I see him as less of a risk to humanity than four more years of this current administration. Well yes of course it is possible she lied but its hard to see what motivation she would have and (unlike Trump) she does not have a track record for lying - in fact her reputation is for unflinching honesty. She's made no bones about being quite promiscuous and she has been open about having some bad experiences with men but she has never played the victim and has no record of being litigious. Her reputation is built on her honesty about herself and her experience and one of the motivations for taking the case against Trump was because he was accusing her of lying. If you look into Trump's MO with respect to lying the "scorched earth" policy you talk about is totally consistent with his established behaviour. He not only lies but even when caught out he just repeats the lie ad nauseum - see en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump. In effect you are saying when judging who to believe you want me to believe a man with a track record for lying over a woman with a reputation for unflinching honesty and completely ignore the judgement of two juries who studied the available evidence. Why on earth should I do that? You literally want me to believe a known liar. Be reasonable it was only 40,000 lies during his presidency and he probably had very good reasons for refusing debates where he could be fact checked... |
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Post by riverman on Nov 2, 2024 17:16:03 GMT
Here we go. Have a gander at this. He said it. Stop defending the rapist. I'm not defending Trump I'm defending the truth. Watch it again. |
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Post by riverman on Nov 2, 2024 17:18:42 GMT
He didn’t though. He made the point that politicians warmonger because there is 0 personal threat, and if hypothetically there was then they wouldn’t warmonger. It’s exactly the point many on this board have made regardless of political persuasion. It’s an excellent point and exactly what I want to hear from more politicians, because it’s exactly how us plebs see it. You can nail trump on many quotes but, as another posted alluded to above, when you’re so blinded by your bias that you try to nail him on soundbites (and don’t even acknowledge that you’re wrong) is it any wonder people become disinterested in all critique, whether valid or not? Ever heard the one about the boy who cried wolf? He threatened her. He says that and the people that follow him know exactly what it means. It’s an incitement. No he didn't and no it isn't. Jesus hates christ! 🙄 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2024 17:22:27 GMT
He threatened her. He says that and the people that follow him know exactly what it means. It’s an incitement. No he didn't and no it isn't. Jesus hates christ! 🙄 Careful, he’ll be calling you “thick as fuck” shortly |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 2, 2024 17:32:50 GMT
No he didn't and no it isn't. Jesus hates christ! 🙄 Careful, he’ll be calling you “thick as fuck” shortly  |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 18:14:33 GMT
If nothing else, seeing the total meltdown of the hostile woke mob and establishment media if Trump wins will be a thing of absolute beauty ☺️
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 2, 2024 18:35:17 GMT
Not a massive fan at all as he has huge faults yet some things he says I totally agree with and some things he comes out with I totally disagree with. All that said it will comfort me so much when he wins and the lefties of the world are pissing their knickers and crying about it and let's be honest they will. If the lefties on this board are anything to go by then all they will do is abuse, call names and scream until someone hits back and they will then cry victim. I await with popcorn 🍿
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 18:36:26 GMT
Not a massive fan at all as he has huge faults yet some things he says I totally agree with and some things he comes out with I totally disagree with. All that said it will comfort me so much when he wins and the lefties of the world are pissing their knickers and crying about it and let's be honest they will. If the lefties on this board are anything to go by then all they will do is abuse, call names and scream until someone hits back and they will then cry victim. I await with popcorn 🍿 I wonder how many times they will call Trump a fascist in an hour... I can't wait 😃 |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 2, 2024 18:39:12 GMT
No he didn't and no it isn't. Jesus hates christ! 🙄 Careful, he’ll be calling you “thick as fuck” shortly You don't want that mate believe me 😅 Imagine having a life where a messageboard dictates everything and calling someone thick as fuck for a post. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 2, 2024 18:41:36 GMT
Not a massive fan at all as he has huge faults yet some things he says I totally agree with and some things he comes out with I totally disagree with. All that said it will comfort me so much when he wins and the lefties of the world are pissing their knickers and crying about it and let's be honest they will. If the lefties on this board are anything to go by then all they will do is abuse, call names and scream until someone hits back and they will then cry victim. I await with popcorn 🍿 I wonder how many times they will call Trump a fascist in an hour... I can't wait 😃 None of them are here to condemn Bayern for his abusive post earlier towards me are they. You are right they'll be here soon though 😂 |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 18:50:06 GMT
I wonder how many times they will call Trump a fascist in an hour... I can't wait 😃 None of them are here to condemn Bayern for his abusive post earlier towards me are they. You are right they'll be here soon though 😂 I wouldn't worry mate. There are a tiny minority of hostile "liberals" on here that have a track record for being pretty distasteful. I had death wished upon me for questioning the insanity of lockdowns so think yourself lucky 😉 Thankfully, most posters on this forum, right or left, are good people. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 2, 2024 18:51:05 GMT
If nothing else, seeing the total meltdown of the hostile woke mob and establishment media if Trump wins will be a thing of absolute beauty ☺️ Btw for policy changes, I think Harris is a mainline Dem, and Biden did lots to help normal Americans. E.g. the Infrastructure Act. US infrastructure is decaying, and with 2 years of total power and Trump talking constantly about "infrastructure week" Republicans did fuck all then 96% of House Republicans voted against investing in road, nuclear power, energy grids, bridges and internet. Then of course Trump and his Republicans constantly lied about what was in there for political reasons, but because Biden-Harris and the Democrats develop policies for the whole US, Republican states seem to have taken most of the money so far*. I think it is good to invest in infrastructure when there is a clear shortage. Letting it fail is far more costly so overall it's a good investment, even if some of the investment isn't perfect. And Democrats tried to be bipartisan and negotiate instead of steamrolling through everything alone, so it was toned down.
So under Harris I'd expect to see continued investment in stuff for normal people, investment that will lead to economic growth. Trump and Republicans oppose investment that helps normal people.
How do you feel about the idea of the US investing in infrastructure? Good idea? Bad idea? *I mean, this is pretty common. Overall the Democratic states subsidise Republican ones, although there are Democratic "takers" (e.g New Mexico) and Republican "givers" (e.g. Utah). Data here. Basically the states subsidising everything are California (D), Minnesota (D), Washington (D), New Jersey (D), Connecticut (D), Massachusetts (D), New York (D), Colorado (D) and Utah (R). It changes a bit year-to-year and there are some features in the data like how a lot of federal spending is in the DC area, which feeds into Virginia/Maryland numbers. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 18:53:32 GMT
If nothing else, seeing the total meltdown of the hostile woke mob and establishment media if Trump wins will be a thing of absolute beauty ☺️ Btw for policy changes, I think Harris is somewhat of a continuation of Biden, who's done a lot to help normal Americans. One of the examples is the Infrastructure Act. Legitimate groups raised serious concerns about US infrastructure, and Republicans have also complained. With 2 years of total power and Trump talking constantly about "infrastructure week" they did fuck all and 96% of them voted against investing in road, nuclear power, energy grids, bridges and internet. Then of course Trump and his Republicans constantly lied about what was in there for political reasons, but because Biden-Harris and the Democrats develop policies for the whole US, Republican states seem to have taken most of the money so far*. I think it is good to invest in infrastructure when there is a clear shortage. Letting it fail is far more costly so overall it's a good investment, even if some of the investment isn't perfect.
So under Harris I'd expect to see continued investment in stuff for normal people, investment that will lead to economic growth. Trump and Republicans oppose investment that helps normal people.
*I mean, this is pretty common. Overall the Democratic states subsidise Republican ones, although there are Democratic "takers" (e.g New Mexico) and Republican "givers" (e.g. Utah). Data here. Basically the states subsidising everything are California (D), Minnesota (D), Washington (D), New Jersey (D), Connecticut (D), Massachusetts (D), New York (D), Colorado (D) and Utah (R). Mrstudent, I know we love each other but man do I disagree with your pro Democrat stance. They are cunts 😊 |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 2, 2024 18:58:13 GMT
Mrstudent, I know we love each other but man do I disagree with your pro Democrat stance. They are cunts 😊 I get your hatred for the Dems, I have followed some right wing sources and I see how much they despise libs and just want to hurt them, but do you really think investing in infrastructure was a bad idea? Trump talked a lot about how it was a good idea in 2017-2020, so I thought you'd be on board with it! |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 2, 2024 19:01:52 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 2, 2024 19:04:30 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 2, 2024 19:20:52 GMT
A nonce's ex promoting them now 🙄 Where are the lefties calling this out? |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 2, 2024 19:21:58 GMT
I hope to fuck he was farting in the bath as he recorded that 😁 |
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Post by riverman on Nov 2, 2024 19:23:08 GMT
No he didn't and no it isn't. Jesus hates christ! 🙄 Careful, he’ll be calling you “thick as fuck” shortly I think I'll live. Been called worse! 😁 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2024 19:24:21 GMT
Careful, he’ll be calling you “thick as fuck” shortly I think I'll live. Been called worse! 😁 The Mrs doesn’t count😉 |
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 2, 2024 20:01:42 GMT
“ I love Puerto Rico, Puerto Tico loves me”
🙄
What a throbber!!!!!!😂
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2024 20:03:25 GMT
“ I love Puerto Rico, Puerto Tico loves me” 🙄 What a throbber!!!!!!😂 Don’t get so down on yourself, how do you know they don’t love you? |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 2, 2024 20:26:06 GMT
Mrstudent, I know we love each other but man do I disagree with your pro Democrat stance. They are cunts 😊 Anyway, another policy thing I care about is drug pricing. I know it's complicated and profit helps R&D etc, but I'm genuinely worried it's gone too far and the corporations have too much power to price gouge. Republicans made it illegal for Medicare to negotiate prices with the drugs companies and even in 2016 were introducing new bills to stop price negotiation. In 2016, Trump said that that he could save $300 billion by fixing it, "we don’t do it. Why? Because of the drug companies." Of course he was lying and he didn't do anything, but the Democrats made a law for the first steps and the first negotiations happened. I personally like the idea of balancing corporate power and lowering costs for normal people. And since Trump said it was a good idea, I'd think you could get on board with it too? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 21:22:51 GMT
😂😂😂Team Kamala are now rolling out the likes of Cardi B to campaign for them.
Famous for rapping about her vagina, drugging and robbing people and being a stripper.
Seriously, how are people buying into Kamala Harris 😂
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2024 21:24:53 GMT
😂😂😂Team Kamala are now rolling out the likes of Cardi B to campaign for them. Famous for rapping about her vagina, drugging and robbing people and being a stripper. Seriously, how are people buying into Kamala Harris 😂 Not the best choice, may as well have introduced p diddy |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 2, 2024 22:11:22 GMT
😂😂😂Team Kamala are now rolling out the likes of Cardi B to campaign for them. Famous for rapping about her vagina, drugging and robbing people and being a stripper. Seriously, how are people buying into Kamala Harris 😂 In the same way people bought into 2 tier Kier. It’s sad that there’s very rarely a good option anymore whether it’s here or over the pond. Harris will be an awful president. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2024 22:13:12 GMT
😂😂😂Team Kamala are now rolling out the likes of Cardi B to campaign for them. Famous for rapping about her vagina, drugging and robbing people and being a stripper. Seriously, how are people buying into Kamala Harris 😂 In the same way people bought into 2 tier Kier. It’s sad that there’s very rarely a good option anymore whether it’s here or over the pond. Harris will be an awful president. She won’t cus she ain’t winning |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 2, 2024 22:18:29 GMT
😂😂😂Team Kamala are now rolling out the likes of Cardi B to campaign for them. Famous for rapping about her vagina, drugging and robbing people and being a stripper. Seriously, how are people buying into Kamala Harris 😂 In the same way people bought into 2 tier Kier. It’s sad that there’s very rarely a good option anymore whether it’s here or over the pond. Harris will be an awful president. If she's elected I don't know why people are so sure she'd be terrible. The US' problems extend far beyond the presidency, with a dysfunctional Congress, failing democracy in a bunch of states and political supreme court now. Someone could be the best president in decades and the political divide is so entrenched there will be constant propaganda from the other side saying they're terrible. IMO Kamala's likely to act to reduce corruption, mitigate the deficit, build US manufacturing, defend Ukraine to deter Russia and China, clean up pollution, reduce medical costs and improve access, act to keep the internet free, support consumer rights, prevent the government from taking away more rights and won't use state violence on the whim of a single angry old man etc. All those sound fine to me. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 2, 2024 22:24:54 GMT
In the same way people bought into 2 tier Kier. It’s sad that there’s very rarely a good option anymore whether it’s here or over the pond. Harris will be an awful president. If she's elected I don't know why people are so sure she'd be terrible. The US' problems extend far beyond the presidency, with a dysfunctional Congress, failing democracy in a bunch of states and political supreme court now. Someone could be the best president in decades and the political divide is so entrenched there will be constant propaganda from the other side saying they're terrible. IMO Kamala's likely to act to reduce corruption, mitigate the deficit, build US manufacturing, defend Ukraine to deter Russia and China, clean up pollution, reduce medical costs and improve access, act to keep the internet free, support consumer rights, prevent the government from taking away more rights and won't use state violence on the whim of a single angry old man etc. All those sound fine to me. What about immigration? My friends moved from LA to Florida because he said it’s out of control as is homelessness in the cities like San Fran and NYC? |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 2, 2024 22:30:56 GMT
What about immigration? My friends moved from LA to Florida because he said it’s out of control as is homelessness in the cities like San Fran and NYC? I haven't read the full studies on the stong border bill that Biden and the Republicans negotiated before Republicans killed it - but the basic details seemed fine to me. With the caveat that I might have misunderstood! I've spent my learning politics time on other topics since the bill is dead. Enforce the law, and fund the border guard and courts to process people quickly. It will involve removing a lot of people from the US if they don't have the rights to be here, which seems fine, while protecting people's rights from government overreach. I really value the idea that the government has to be restrained because it otherwise has very dangerous powers that could threaten freedom - we should absolutely minimise the government's right to use force or other pressure without good justification. Republicans killed the bill for political reasons. Their goal is to enrage people enough to justify their planned state violence against innocent people, perhaps including concentration camps. Like they tried with their mass child abuse campaign, which I still think was really, really evil, although it seems like I'm in a minority here in having problems with mass child abuse. I don't think the president has too much to do with homelessness actually - but it seems people's opinions on this depend on how they think homelessness happens. If you had to name the single biggest reason for homelessness, what would you say it is? And what are the major causes? (I'll share mine, but I'm always interested in hearing others. Mickey gave some great details on UK homebuilding issues on another thread and I really appreciated it). |
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