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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 26, 2024 17:34:17 GMT
If he withdraws arms funding, effectively conceding to Ukraine, and ending the conflict, would you be OK with that? There's zero evidence this is his plan. He will probably say to Putin: work it out in the next 6 months or I'll give them everything they're asking for. Then to Zelensky: we'll back you and make sure you're in a strong negotiating position but this has gone on long enough and you need to make a deal. That would actually be good news for Zelensky! He's presiding over a ruined country but if he comes out and says he wants to make concessions, he'll look weak to his people. In this case, he has to take the off ramp and people will understand he had no real choice. Exactly. The idea that Trump is going to just hand Ukraine to Russia is barmy based on Guardian articles and lazy liberal journalism on the likes of CNN and the BBC. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 26, 2024 17:58:45 GMT
There's zero evidence this is his plan. He will probably say to Putin: work it out in the next 6 months or I'll give them everything they're asking for. Then to Zelensky: we'll back you and make sure you're in a strong negotiating position but this has gone on long enough and you need to make a deal. That would actually be good news for Zelensky! He's presiding over a ruined country but if he comes out and says he wants to make concessions, he'll look weak to his people. In this case, he has to take the off ramp and people will understand he had no real choice. Exactly. The idea that Trump is going to just hand Ukraine to Russia is barmy based on Guardian articles and lazy liberal journalism on the likes of CNN and the BBC. As you seem to know, what will he do then? He won’t tell us, other than stopping paying money to Ukraine, which pretty much means allowing Putin to walk into Kiev. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 26, 2024 18:12:06 GMT
Exactly. The idea that Trump is going to just hand Ukraine to Russia is barmy based on Guardian articles and lazy liberal journalism on the likes of CNN and the BBC. As you seem to know, what will he do then? He won’t tell us, other than stopping paying money to Ukraine, which pretty much means allowing Putin to walk into Kiev. Wouldn't the BRICS group pay instead to stop him? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 26, 2024 19:11:29 GMT
Exactly. The idea that Trump is going to just hand Ukraine to Russia is barmy based on Guardian articles and lazy liberal journalism on the likes of CNN and the BBC. As you seem to know, what will he do then? He won’t tell us, other than stopping paying money to Ukraine, which pretty much means allowing Putin to walk into Kiev. Not again 😂😂 |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 26, 2024 19:21:28 GMT
As you seem to know, what will he do then? He won’t tell us, other than stopping paying money to Ukraine, which pretty much means allowing Putin to walk into Kiev. Not again 😂😂 It is incredible that Trump knows this magic way of ending the war that nobody has yet thought of. If he were less selfish, he could have shared it and saved loads of lives. Maybe it is drinking bleach… |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 26, 2024 19:26:36 GMT
It is incredible that Trump knows this magic way of ending the war that nobody has yet thought of. If he were less selfish, he could have shared it and saved loads of lives. Maybe it is drinking bleach… He never said the “drinking bleach” comment you lefties keep going on about |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 26, 2024 19:27:05 GMT
It is incredible that Trump knows this magic way of ending the war that nobody has yet thought of. If he were less selfish, he could have shared it and saved loads of lives. Maybe it is drinking bleach… You do know he's the son of God? 🤔 |
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 26, 2024 19:27:16 GMT
Russia is gradually grinding down Ukraine resistance - it simply has more men to chuck into the grinder. Men that it doesnt give a shit about.
Regardless of what you think of Trump, there is zero chance Ukraine will regain all of its territory without Nato soldiers on the ground so a deal is going to have to be made one way or another unless we want them to fight till the last man?
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 26, 2024 19:37:14 GMT
As you seem to know, what will he do then? He won’t tell us, other than stopping paying money to Ukraine, which pretty much means allowing Putin to walk into Kiev. Not again 😂😂 Here you're supporting blockading aid to Ukraine. Aid saves Ukrainian lives and gives them a stronger negotiating position. Supporting Trump means supporting the genocidal dictatorship to mass slaughter Ukrainians in the hope that so many Ukrainians will be killed that their will will break and they will surrender. It also tells me that you would likely have supported cutting off US aid in WW2 because "the war can't be won" and "why not peace with Hitler". |
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 26, 2024 19:39:50 GMT
Slightly unrelated thing that I think is relevant... Under Trump, states were not permitted to ban abortion. Under Biden, people's rights have been stripped away and states can now ban abortion. Do you think that (1) Trump is responsible for the change in abortion law, (2) Biden is responsible for the change in abortion law or (3) neither? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 26, 2024 19:44:28 GMT
It is incredible that Trump knows this magic way of ending the war that nobody has yet thought of. If he were less selfish, he could have shared it and saved loads of lives. Maybe it is drinking bleach… He never said the “drinking bleach” comment you lefties keep going on about Inject bleach to cure covid, drink it to end the war in Ukraine. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 26, 2024 19:47:43 GMT
I think it's a fair question. Both situations (Harris being elected and Trump being re-elected) are hypothetical situations at this point, so it's impossible to know what they would do if elected in 2024. So why are you absolutely sure what Harris do, but unable to speculate what Trump would do? Trump has made it clear he will do his best to end the war in Ukraine and the Middle East. Harris has made it clear she does not intend to end these wars. Combine this with the fact these wars have escalated during her time as VP of the world's most powerful nation as opposed to the former who, aside from defeating isis in the Middle East, had no major escalations of wars during his tenure. Furthermore, the US economy was in a better place under Trump and he at least tried to curb the border crisis (albeit many did their best to stop him). Based on this alone, if you want any glimmer of hope that we might see the de-escalation of WW3, a better US economy and a safer country, then Trump is a better bet. Now I've answered that for about a 10th time, my question for you. What makes you think Harris is more likely to bring an end to the car crash in Ukraine and the Middle East? In addition to that, what makes you think Harris will bring about more economical success and border control than Trump? Her remit has literally been border control (a catastrophic failing) while being VP. Final question - What has Harris said she will implement as President which makes you want to vote for her and why hasn't she done it in the past 4 years? Please avoid retorting to stuff like "Trump is a convicted rapist blah blah" because that is the easiest way for you to avoid answering. "What makes you think Harris is more likely to bring an end to the car crash in Ukraine and the Middle East?" I have no expectation that Harris or Trump will bring an end to the situation in the Middle East. The start of a road to peace has to be regimes being changed from within in Israel and Iran. The only way to de-escalate Israel's current actions is for a US president to make it clear that support comes with limits to their actions - I don't believe Harris or Trump will have the balls to do that. In Ukraine I think the way the way to save as many lives as possible in the long term is for Ukraine to keep as much as their country under their control as possible. The more territory lost to Russia means the likelihood of protracted, decades-long insurgence from Ukrainian people that do not want to live under Russian control, which will come with horrific retaliation from Russia. The way to ensure that at the moment is to continue funding Ukraine - and Harris sounds far more likely to do that if elected. "In addition to that, what makes you think Harris will bring about more economical success and border control than Trump? Her remit has literally been border control (a catastrophic failing) while being VP." To be honest, I don't know that much about the economic situation in the US because, short of the US economy tanking, it doesn't affect me that much. I don't expect either candidate to tank the economy - I expect the difference between the two will be who benefits from the economy. In Trump's first term it was fairly clear that his tax breaks were geared towards making very wealthy people more wealthy and I expect Harris will try and spread the benefits more widely (whether she has the ability to do that is yet to be seen). "What has Harris said she will implement as President which makes you want to vote for her and why hasn't she done it in the past 4 years?" If I was able to vote, I would vote Harris not because of anything she has said (although if I was able to vote I would probably follow it more closely). Basically I can see a global dividing line forming between authoritarian-led countries (led by China Russia etc) and more democratic countries (led by western Europe and North America) which could lead to a global conflict of some sort (hopefully more Cold War II than World War III). With Harris I'd be confident that the US will be on the democratic side of things, whereas Trump there is strong evidence to suggest he would be on the authoritarian side of things. And I think the US and India are the two "swing countries" on this that could lead to huge ramifications whether they go one way or the other. For me this dwarves any domestic policies they may have, although I'm sure I would feel different if I was living in the US. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 26, 2024 20:16:20 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 26, 2024 20:44:27 GMT
Trump has made it clear he will do his best to end the war in Ukraine and the Middle East. Harris has made it clear she does not intend to end these wars. Combine this with the fact these wars have escalated during her time as VP of the world's most powerful nation as opposed to the former who, aside from defeating isis in the Middle East, had no major escalations of wars during his tenure. Furthermore, the US economy was in a better place under Trump and he at least tried to curb the border crisis (albeit many did their best to stop him). Based on this alone, if you want any glimmer of hope that we might see the de-escalation of WW3, a better US economy and a safer country, then Trump is a better bet. Now I've answered that for about a 10th time, my question for you. What makes you think Harris is more likely to bring an end to the car crash in Ukraine and the Middle East? In addition to that, what makes you think Harris will bring about more economical success and border control than Trump? Her remit has literally been border control (a catastrophic failing) while being VP. Final question - What has Harris said she will implement as President which makes you want to vote for her and why hasn't she done it in the past 4 years? Please avoid retorting to stuff like "Trump is a convicted rapist blah blah" because that is the easiest way for you to avoid answering. "What makes you think Harris is more likely to bring an end to the car crash in Ukraine and the Middle East?" I have no expectation that Harris or Trump will bring an end to the situation in the Middle East. The start of a road to peace has to be regimes being changed from within in Israel and Iran. The only way to de-escalate Israel's current actions is for a US president to make it clear that support comes with limits to their actions - I don't believe Harris or Trump will have the balls to do that. In Ukraine I think the way the way to save as many lives as possible in the long term is for Ukraine to keep as much as their country under their control as possible. The more territory lost to Russia means the likelihood of protracted, decades-long insurgence from Ukrainian people that do not want to live under Russian control, which will come with horrific retaliation from Russia. The way to ensure that at the moment is to continue funding Ukraine - and Harris sounds far more likely to do that if elected. "In addition to that, what makes you think Harris will bring about more economical success and border control than Trump? Her remit has literally been border control (a catastrophic failing) while being VP." To be honest, I don't know that much about the economic situation in the US because, short of the US economy tanking, it doesn't affect me that much. I don't expect either candidate to tank the economy - I expect the difference between the two will be who benefits from the economy. In Trump's first term it was fairly clear that his tax breaks were geared towards making very wealthy people more wealthy and I expect Harris will try and spread the benefits more widely (whether she has the ability to do that is yet to be seen). "What has Harris said she will implement as President which makes you want to vote for her and why hasn't she done it in the past 4 years?" If I was able to vote, I would vote Harris not because of anything she has said (although if I was able to vote I would probably follow it more closely). Basically I can see a global dividing line forming between authoritarian-led countries (led by China Russia etc) and more democratic countries (led by western Europe and North America) which could lead to a global conflict of some sort (hopefully more Cold War II than World War III). With Harris I'd be confident that the US will be on the democratic side of things, whereas Trump there is strong evidence to suggest he would be on the authoritarian side of things. And I think the US and India are the two "swing countries" on this that could lead to huge ramifications whether they go one way or the other. For me this dwarves any domestic policies they may have, although I'm sure I would feel different if I was living in the US. Fair enough, thanks for the proper response. I personally find the Democrats more prone to dangerous authoritarian behavior and I found the Trump witch hunt trial that they instigated deeply concerning as is their consistent hiding of Hunter Biden stories. That said, I didn't like how Trump reacted to his defeat in 2020. We know mail in ballots have traditionally favored the left but it doesn't make it a corrupt vote. His lack of grace during that period was particularly undemocratic. I still think his desire to challenge the establishment, corrupt, dumb ideas like net zero which are deeply undemocratic concepts while deregulating a lot of stuff gives him the edge when it comes to being more pro democracy and freedom than Harris. I also think he really does love his country unlike Harris. All that said, both Trump and Harris are undoubtedly massive cunts. |
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Oct 26, 2024 21:13:55 GMT
Trump doing reasonably well on JRE from what I’ve listened to so far. A little geriatric with his story telling but nothing unexpected for an octogenarian who loves the sound of his own voice + Joe doing a good job of keeping him focused.
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Post by turtlefox on Oct 26, 2024 23:27:43 GMT
60% babble
35% Quite interesting
5% Aliens and JFK
I expected more but I suppose it's just a chat rather than questions.
The hate he gets is unwarranted. I'd rather have him in my corner than not.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 26, 2024 23:37:52 GMT
"What makes you think Harris is more likely to bring an end to the car crash in Ukraine and the Middle East?" I have no expectation that Harris or Trump will bring an end to the situation in the Middle East. The start of a road to peace has to be regimes being changed from within in Israel and Iran. The only way to de-escalate Israel's current actions is for a US president to make it clear that support comes with limits to their actions - I don't believe Harris or Trump will have the balls to do that. In Ukraine I think the way the way to save as many lives as possible in the long term is for Ukraine to keep as much as their country under their control as possible. The more territory lost to Russia means the likelihood of protracted, decades-long insurgence from Ukrainian people that do not want to live under Russian control, which will come with horrific retaliation from Russia. The way to ensure that at the moment is to continue funding Ukraine - and Harris sounds far more likely to do that if elected. "In addition to that, what makes you think Harris will bring about more economical success and border control than Trump? Her remit has literally been border control (a catastrophic failing) while being VP." To be honest, I don't know that much about the economic situation in the US because, short of the US economy tanking, it doesn't affect me that much. I don't expect either candidate to tank the economy - I expect the difference between the two will be who benefits from the economy. In Trump's first term it was fairly clear that his tax breaks were geared towards making very wealthy people more wealthy and I expect Harris will try and spread the benefits more widely (whether she has the ability to do that is yet to be seen). "What has Harris said she will implement as President which makes you want to vote for her and why hasn't she done it in the past 4 years?" If I was able to vote, I would vote Harris not because of anything she has said (although if I was able to vote I would probably follow it more closely). Basically I can see a global dividing line forming between authoritarian-led countries (led by China Russia etc) and more democratic countries (led by western Europe and North America) which could lead to a global conflict of some sort (hopefully more Cold War II than World War III). With Harris I'd be confident that the US will be on the democratic side of things, whereas Trump there is strong evidence to suggest he would be on the authoritarian side of things. And I think the US and India are the two "swing countries" on this that could lead to huge ramifications whether they go one way or the other. For me this dwarves any domestic policies they may have, although I'm sure I would feel different if I was living in the US. Fair enough, thanks for the proper response. I personally find the Democrats more prone to dangerous authoritarian behavior and I found the Trump witch hunt trial that they instigated deeply concerning as is their consistent hiding of Hunter Biden stories. That said, I didn't like how Trump reacted to his defeat in 2020. We know mail in ballots have traditionally favored the left but it doesn't make it a corrupt vote. His lack of grace during that period was particularly undemocratic. I still think his desire to challenge the establishment, corrupt, dumb ideas like net zero which are deeply undemocratic concepts while deregulating a lot of stuff gives him the edge when it comes to being more pro democracy and freedom than Harris. I also think he really does love his country unlike Harris. All that said, both Trump and Harris are undoubtedly massive cunts. Trump more pro democracy? He lost in 2020 and sulked like a big baby and launched the insurrection and 6 people were killed. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 27, 2024 8:09:12 GMT
"What makes you think Harris is more likely to bring an end to the car crash in Ukraine and the Middle East?" I have no expectation that Harris or Trump will bring an end to the situation in the Middle East. The start of a road to peace has to be regimes being changed from within in Israel and Iran. The only way to de-escalate Israel's current actions is for a US president to make it clear that support comes with limits to their actions - I don't believe Harris or Trump will have the balls to do that. In Ukraine I think the way the way to save as many lives as possible in the long term is for Ukraine to keep as much as their country under their control as possible. The more territory lost to Russia means the likelihood of protracted, decades-long insurgence from Ukrainian people that do not want to live under Russian control, which will come with horrific retaliation from Russia. The way to ensure that at the moment is to continue funding Ukraine - and Harris sounds far more likely to do that if elected. "In addition to that, what makes you think Harris will bring about more economical success and border control than Trump? Her remit has literally been border control (a catastrophic failing) while being VP." To be honest, I don't know that much about the economic situation in the US because, short of the US economy tanking, it doesn't affect me that much. I don't expect either candidate to tank the economy - I expect the difference between the two will be who benefits from the economy. In Trump's first term it was fairly clear that his tax breaks were geared towards making very wealthy people more wealthy and I expect Harris will try and spread the benefits more widely (whether she has the ability to do that is yet to be seen). "What has Harris said she will implement as President which makes you want to vote for her and why hasn't she done it in the past 4 years?" If I was able to vote, I would vote Harris not because of anything she has said (although if I was able to vote I would probably follow it more closely). Basically I can see a global dividing line forming between authoritarian-led countries (led by China Russia etc) and more democratic countries (led by western Europe and North America) which could lead to a global conflict of some sort (hopefully more Cold War II than World War III). With Harris I'd be confident that the US will be on the democratic side of things, whereas Trump there is strong evidence to suggest he would be on the authoritarian side of things. And I think the US and India are the two "swing countries" on this that could lead to huge ramifications whether they go one way or the other. For me this dwarves any domestic policies they may have, although I'm sure I would feel different if I was living in the US. Fair enough, thanks for the proper response. I personally find the Democrats more prone to dangerous authoritarian behavior and I found the Trump witch hunt trial that they instigated deeply concerning as is their consistent hiding of Hunter Biden stories. That said, I didn't like how Trump reacted to his defeat in 2020. We know mail in ballots have traditionally favored the left but it doesn't make it a corrupt vote. His lack of grace during that period was particularly undemocratic. I still think his desire to challenge the establishment, corrupt, dumb ideas like net zero which are deeply undemocratic concepts while deregulating a lot of stuff gives him the edge when it comes to being more pro democracy and freedom than Harris. I also think he really does love his country unlike Harris. All that said, both Trump and Harris are undoubtedly massive cunts. Which actions has Harris taken that compare to Trump's action after the 2020 election to make her more anti-democratic than Trump? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 27, 2024 9:41:00 GMT
In plain sight all these years....
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Post by elystokie on Oct 27, 2024 10:24:57 GMT
In plain sight all these years.... "A friend of mine sent me the book, who I think is Jewish, I don't know" Close friend then 🤔 Same old Donnie dum dum, always lying 🙄 |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 27, 2024 11:34:24 GMT
In plain sight all these years.... "A friend of mine sent me the book, who I think is Jewish, I don't know" Close friend then 🤔 Same old Donnie dum dum, always lying 🙄 He doesn’t lie. He offers alternative facts. Ferfuxache |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 27, 2024 21:24:51 GMT
Brilliant delivery
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 27, 2024 22:39:02 GMT
Brilliant isn’t he, love the guy |
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 28, 2024 0:31:56 GMT
Looks like the billionaires are lining up behind a Trump victory.
Musk obviously. The owners of the LA Times and Washington Post too, seems they squashed their papers' Harris endorsements.
Bezos knows that Trump will use the power of the government to punish people who question the Supreme Leader. A big weird mess of Putin-style dictatorship for a billionaire class is getting close.
I can't believe how many people who talk about loving freedom are cheering on the jackboot. He could cage thousands of innocent children tear apart families and these people would still support him. I guess I understand how concentration camps happened throughout history now.
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Post by turtlefox on Oct 28, 2024 1:37:53 GMT
Looks like the billionaires are lining up behind a Trump victory. Musk obviously. The owners of the LA Times and Washington Post too, seems they squashed their papers' Harris endorsements. Bezos knows that Trump will use the power of the government to punish people who question the Supreme Leader. A big weird mess of Putin-style dictatorship for a billionaire class is getting close. I can't believe how many people who talk about loving freedom are cheering on the jackboot. He could cage thousands of innocent children tear apart families and these people would still support him. I guess I understand how concentration camps happened throughout history now. Apart from the first two lines, what a load of bollocks. He's already been president. How much of the world really changed when he was at the helm ? Not much. I can see why people don't like him, but to say he is so much worse than other politicians, I just don't get it. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 28, 2024 1:40:58 GMT
Looks like the billionaires are lining up behind a Trump victory. Musk obviously. The owners of the LA Times and Washington Post too, seems they squashed their papers' Harris endorsements. Bezos knows that Trump will use the power of the government to punish people who question the Supreme Leader. A big weird mess of Putin-style dictatorship for a billionaire class is getting close. I can't believe how many people who talk about loving freedom are cheering on the jackboot. He could cage thousands of innocent children tear apart families and these people would still support him. I guess I understand how concentration camps happened throughout history now. He's said he's prepared to use the military against American citizens. It might seem bombastic and typical Trump bullshit but when you look into the intricacies of project 2025 it isn't so absurd |
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Post by mjg13x on Oct 28, 2024 3:08:33 GMT
Looks like the billionaires are lining up behind a Trump victory. Musk obviously. The owners of the LA Times and Washington Post too, seems they squashed their papers' Harris endorsements. Bezos knows that Trump will use the power of the government to punish people who question the Supreme Leader. A big weird mess of Putin-style dictatorship for a billionaire class is getting close. I can't believe how many people who talk about loving freedom are cheering on the jackboot. He could cage thousands of innocent children tear apart families and these people would still support him. I guess I understand how concentration camps happened throughout history now. Apart from the first two lines, what a load of bollocks. He's already been president. How much of the world really changed when he was at the helm ? Not much. I can see why people don't like him, but to say he is so much worse than other politicians, I just don't get it. There is an absolute fuckload that changed because of his first term -- and is going to continue to be directly caused by it no matter who wins the election due to his Supreme Court appointments. I'd rather not give him another four years to do damage. |
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Post by musik on Oct 28, 2024 7:45:39 GMT
Someone said on tv Trump is a fascist.
Someone said the economy in the USA has been much better during Trump.
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Post by musik on Oct 28, 2024 7:48:00 GMT
Looks like the billionaires are lining up behind a Trump victory. Musk obviously. The owners of the LA Times and Washington Post too, seems they squashed their papers' Harris endorsements. Bezos knows that Trump will use the power of the government to punish people who question the Supreme Leader. A big weird mess of Putin-style dictatorship for a billionaire class is getting close. I can't believe how many people who talk about loving freedom are cheering on the jackboot. He could cage thousands of innocent children tear apart families and these people would still support him. I guess I understand how concentration camps happened throughout history now. He's said he's prepared to use the military against American citizens. It might seem bombastic and typical Trump bullshit but when you look into the intricacies of project 2025 it isn't so absurd Eehhh ... same plans in Sweden, if they haven't already taken place. But it's not at random against any citizens. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 28, 2024 12:37:46 GMT
He's said he's prepared to use the military against American citizens. It might seem bombastic and typical Trump bullshit but when you look into the intricacies of project 2025 it isn't so absurd Eehhh ... same plans in Sweden, if they haven't already taken place. But it's not at random against any citizens. Are you sure it's the same? Trump is threatening to deploy the military against his political opponents. Has your givernment actually used the military to do this in Sweden? www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/14/trump-military-enemy-within-armed-forces-election-day |
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