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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2017 15:42:48 GMT
Agreed but the last 12/18 months have completely eroded that trust for me and it's just not there. This is another nail in his coffin. That's your opinion Bayern and everyone is entitled to that. He hasn't got a whole lot wrong over the last 3 years in my eyes, and I've had a fair old moan this season. I'm going with him on this one. If you or others aren't, then that's fair enough. I don't buy this hasn't got a lot wrong though. Summer 2015 window can be pretty much be written off. January 2016 is Imbula. And this summer just either imbalanced the squad further or he won't play them. So transfer wise I think he's been way more of a miss than a hit. The football in the last 12 months has been awfu. Before that there was fits and starts (the false dawn....I mean 9). There was the league cup run last year but this year the cups have been a disaster. 9th has been the only consistent thing. I just don't get how people can be happy with how we've regressed on the pitch with how we play. I'm trying to get my head around it tbh because nothing stacks up. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 29, 2017 15:43:52 GMT
Losing Bojan and signing Berahino is a massive upgrade for the team and squad. We have the nucleus of a great team, 2 or 3 additions over the next couple of windows including this one and we have a really exciting future. Yes it's disappointing how Bojan has worked out, but the fact we don't need a direct replacement for him shows his worth to us at the moment. I agree. Time will tell with Berahino but I think he is far better suited to Prem football. We need a class player in front of the back 4 (3) who can tackle, intercept, and hold/pass the ball to the creative players; a significant upgrade on Whelan. I'm not knocking Whelan who has been great for us but if we are to rise above 9th we need someone better. Coates has said for over a year we need a replacement for Whelan but, like a 15+ goal scorer, they are a paucity in the Prem. |
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Post by yamyampotter on Jan 29, 2017 16:01:48 GMT
Losing Bojan and signing Berahino is a massive upgrade for the team and squad. We have the nucleus of a great team, 2 or 3 additions over the next couple of windows including this one and we have a really exciting future. Yes it's disappointing how Bojan has worked out, but the fact we don't need a direct replacement for him shows his worth to us at the moment. I agree. Time will tell with Berahino but I think he is far better suited to Prem football. We need a class player in front of the back 4 (3) who can tackle, intercept, and hold/pass the ball to the creative players; a significant upgrade on Whelan. I'm not knocking Whelan who has been great for us but if we are to rise above 9th we need someone better. Coates has said for over a year we need a replacement for Whelan but, like a 15+ goal scorer, they are a paucity in the Prem. Not a scout but don't think this type of player has to cost the world unless they are already proven. Whelan one of the clubs best signings in modern times and even then £500k was a relatively low fee. We need a player as you describe, mop's up everything, sits ahead of the defence and gives the ball to players who can do more with it. Simple but effective. I think we would be best to look in the lower leagues or lesser European leagues for a player like this. Idissa Gueye in the summer would have been good for us. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 29, 2017 16:04:50 GMT
Shame. I had hoped that Boj was going to be our David Silva.
Maybe, just maybe he'll come back fit and confident.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 29, 2017 16:08:21 GMT
Games will do him good and not sure he would get many here for the rest of the season
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 29, 2017 16:09:03 GMT
Losing Bojan and signing Berahino is a massive upgrade for the team and squad. We have the nucleus of a great team, 2 or 3 additions over the next couple of windows including this one and we have a really exciting future. Yes it's disappointing how Bojan has worked out, but the fact we don't need a direct replacement for him shows his worth to us at the moment. Not sure how you can say he is going to be a massive upgrade. Bojan prior to his injury was looking to be a special player and beginning to fit in nicely in the prem. Probably as special a talent as we have seen since the days of Hudson. I was hoping he would get a long run in the team personally - not sure what has gone on there, but for me a crying shame we cant fit him in and get the best out of him - massive talent being squandered in my book Dont think we need to put any pressure on Berahino, he needs time to get fit and then time to get match fit. We will probably see him hit the ground round running at the beginning of next season, after a full pre-season, and should start judging him around that time, but massive upgrade on Bojan - not sure personally - let's hope it turns out that way. |
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Post by Dancingtesttube on Jan 29, 2017 16:35:39 GMT
Bojan on his day is a special player.On his average to off days he's no more than a passenger.Look at his past and you will see a player that flourishes on arrival at a new club,only to dwindle into obscurity.You can blame his injury for his decline with us,but looking at the bigger picture,he's a luxury player who's influence on the modern game is dwindling.The athletic and power driven aspects of the modern game don't suit these sort of players,unless you're a very special player i.e. Silva,Eriksen or world class i.e. Messi.I wish it could of worked out for the little fella,but unfortunately he doesn't fit into our system,so thanks for the memories and all the best for the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 16:35:46 GMT
Sounds like you hate 90% of what the club do these days. And he's on here 24 hours a day telling everyone about it. The bloke should really find something else to do if following Stoke makes him so unhappy and he's always so discontented with all things SCFC related, which gives the impression he is seemingly always disgruntled. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2017 16:36:49 GMT
And he's on here 24 hours a day telling everyone about it. The bloke should really find something else to do if following Stoke makes him so unhappy and he's always so discontented with all things SCFC related, which gives the impression he is seemingly always disgruntled. I'm unhappy?  |
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 29, 2017 16:37:34 GMT
Mainz losing, he's in stands watching, i'd do that twitter thing but i don't know how
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Post by ysc1 on Jan 29, 2017 16:38:02 GMT
Good luck boj! Hopefully you will be back next season
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 29, 2017 16:41:23 GMT
Absolutely brilliant at his best but too often invisible and sadly a liabilty in a few games this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 16:45:55 GMT
The bloke should really find something else to do if following Stoke makes him so unhappy and he's always so discontented with all things SCFC related, which gives the impression he is seemingly always disgruntled. I'm unhappy? You don't ever give me the impression that you "enjoy" much about the club or following Stoke. Just an observation - not trying to be an arse. Constant moaning and complaining will ruin your enjoyment of things. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2017 16:47:24 GMT
I'm unhappy? You don't ever give me the impression that you "enjoy" much about the club or following Stoke. Just an observation - not trying to be an arse. Constant moaning and complaining will ruin your enjoyment of things. I love moaning! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 16:50:43 GMT
You don't ever give me the impression that you "enjoy" much about the club or following Stoke. Just an observation - not trying to be an arse. Constant moaning and complaining will ruin your enjoyment of things. I love moaning! I'm sure you do, pal. You do enough of it. But if you do it all the time it negates your input. People don't take your moaning seriously and you lose credibility. If you enjoy your moaning so much, then you want to ensure it's taken seriously. So less moaning has more impact. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 29, 2017 16:50:59 GMT
Bojan on his day is a special player.On his average to off days he's no more than a passenger.Look at his past and you will see a player that flourishes on arrival at a new club,only to dwindle into obscurity.You can blame his injury for his decline with us,but looking at the bigger picture,he's a luxury player who's influence on the modern game is dwindling.The athletic and power driven aspects of the modern game don't suit these sort of players,unless you're a very special player i.e. Silva,Eriksen or world class i.e. Messi.I wish it could of worked out for the little fella,but unfortunately he doesn't fit into our system,so thanks for the memories and all the best for the future. What IS our system? |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 29, 2017 16:51:00 GMT
hope he comes back stronger and becomes our number 10 again (he's already our best one)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2017 16:53:22 GMT
I'm sure you do, pal. You do enough of it. But if you do it all the time it negates your input. People don't take your moaning seriously and you lose credibility. If you enjoy your moaning so much, then you want to ensure it's taken seriously. So less moaning has more impact. Do you think I give a shit what people think? The answer is I don't as the disillusion is with the fans too. I used to care but the attitude of a lot of Stoke fans I find incomprehensible but I've long gone past caring. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 29, 2017 16:59:32 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 29, 2017 17:00:47 GMT
Fuck off Mainz, go into liquidation.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 29, 2017 17:02:31 GMT
I think this is a good deal for both parties.
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Post by baystokie on Jan 29, 2017 17:06:40 GMT
We have to trust the club and the manager. It's those down at Clayton Wood that see the squad on a daily basis and know what their thoughts and current mental state and performance levels are. We see them for 90 minutes either every week and/or every other week. It's not a lot to judge them on really. He's made mistakes, every manager does, but we have to go with it and trust he's getting this one right. Agreed but the last 12/18 months have completely eroded that trust for me and it's just not there. This is another nail in his coffin. Hasn't taken you long to lose your trust. 2+ good seasons but a lesser 12 months and you can't hack it. Lack of backbone comes to mind. Thought it was just the younger generation that was obsessed with the 'when do we want it, we want it now' philosophy and the 'I must not be disappointed' attitude. |
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 29, 2017 17:08:21 GMT
I'm sure you do, pal. You do enough of it. But if you do it all the time it negates your input. People don't take your moaning seriously and you lose credibility. If you enjoy your moaning so much, then you want to ensure it's taken seriously. So less moaning has more impact. Do you think I give a shit what people think? The answer is I don't as the disillusion is with the fans too. I used to care but the attitude of a lot of Stoke fans I find incomprehensible but I've long gone past caring. If you don't give a shit what people think, then why do you live on a message board debating opinions that you don't care about? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 29, 2017 17:09:34 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2017 17:09:51 GMT
Agreed but the last 12/18 months have completely eroded that trust for me and it's just not there. This is another nail in his coffin. Hasn't taken you long to lose your trust. 2+ good seasons but a lesser 12 months and you can't hack it. Lack of backbone comes to mind. Thought it was just the younger generation that was obsessed with the 'when do we want it, we want it now' philosophy and the 'I must not be disappointed' attitude. He's had 4 years. 2 were good and had purpose. 2 have been poor and have no purpose and just what are we trying to achieve? What's our game plan? Why have gone backwards with the style in which we play? That's not having no backbone. That's expecting a manager to carry on what he was doing and not to lose his way. And if he does to rectify it sharpish. He hasn't, he's lost the plot. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2017 17:10:27 GMT
Do you think I give a shit what people think? The answer is I don't as the disillusion is with the fans too. I used to care but the attitude of a lot of Stoke fans I find incomprehensible but I've long gone past caring. If you don't give a shit what people think, then why do you live on a message board debating opinions that you don't care about? I've answered that already. |
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Post by baystokie on Jan 29, 2017 17:36:49 GMT
Hasn't taken you long to lose your trust. 2+ good seasons but a lesser 12 months and you can't hack it. Lack of backbone comes to mind. Thought it was just the younger generation that was obsessed with the 'when do we want it, we want it now' philosophy and the 'I must not be disappointed' attitude. He's had 4 years. 2 were good and had purpose. 2 have been poor and have no purpose and just what are we trying to achieve? What's our game plan? Why have gone backwards with the style in which we play? That's not having no backbone. That's expecting a manager to carry on what he was doing and not to lose his way. And if he does to rectify it sharpish. He hasn't, he's lost the plot. You say elsewhere that you don't give a shit what people think? You won't mind then if I return the compliment to you. Trying to achieve - top 10 or better and possible Cup run (ask Liverpool about this!) What's our game plan - why should Hughes tell anyone outside the club? Why gone backwards - players form fluctuates, injuries, opposition countering tactics, new tactics being attempted Manager continuing as before - nothing is guaranteed in football - see Chelsea last season and this; Man City week to week Rectify it sharpish - can only use windows and not all improvement targets wish to come to Stoke and you wouldn't wish him to spend for spending's sake. No 2 seasons are the same, players change, teams change, tactics change - even in football, life doesn't always follow nice straight lines of progression. Feel free not to give a shit about my opinions and be disillusioned with this supporter |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 29, 2017 17:43:49 GMT
Baring injuries to several players, he's obviously not going to get much playing time at Stoke. Let's hope he can get an extended run at Mainz. That way we can find out if he still has what it takes or if he's lost half a step after his injury. Smart move all round. Maybe management knows what it's doing after all.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 29, 2017 17:48:56 GMT
I've read all sorts of posts claiming Bojan doesn't put the effort in, it's his own fault, he's had his chances blah blah blah fucking blah.
All I know is that he's been a breath of fresh air ever since he came to the club and most of my best memories over the last three seasons feature Bojan in them.
Whatever the future holds for Bojan I wish him the very best.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:49:24 GMT
He's had 4 years. 2 were good and had purpose. 2 have been poor and have no purpose and just what are we trying to achieve? What's our game plan? Why have gone backwards with the style in which we play? That's not having no backbone. That's expecting a manager to carry on what he was doing and not to lose his way. And if he does to rectify it sharpish. He hasn't, he's lost the plot. You say elsewhere that you don't give a shit what people think? You won't mind then if I return the compliment to you. Trying to achieve - top 10 or better and possible Cup run (ask Liverpool about this!) What's our game plan - why should Hughes tell anyone outside the club? Why gone backwards - players form fluctuates, injuries, opposition countering tactics, new tactics being attempted Manager continuing as before - nothing is guaranteed in football - see Chelsea last season and this; Man City week to week Rectify it sharpish - can only use windows and not all improvement targets wish to come to Stoke and you wouldn't wish him to spend for spending's sake. No 2 seasons are the same, players change, teams change, tactics change - even in football, life doesn't always follow nice straight lines of progression. Feel free not to give a shit about my opinions and be disillusioned with this supporter In the last 12 months we have witnessed some of our worst performances in this League. The Tottenham and Palace defeats were truly awful. We have also been knocked out of the cup by a Championship relegation contender and Hulls reserves. This isnt a deviant from progression or stagnation, it's regression despite relatively significant investment. To too it all off he then pisses off and loans out one of the better and well liked (fans wise) players. It's shite. This season is turgid and boring and he is to blame. |
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