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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 14:18:17 GMT
Honestly can't believe how much stick Allen gets because of how hard he works. Maybe if Bojan had of worked so hard on the pitch with the ability he has he wouldn't be leaving? Allen far more important to us than Bojan, and not just because he works hard. That's the point, Bojan shouldn't have to work hard, he should be feeding the attack and floating around picking up the scraps, he shouldn't be tracking back, but because the midfield behind him is absolutely non-existent we've had to bring Allen in because he runs everywhere, a Number 10 shouldn't be winning the ball in his own half because the TWO central midfielders behind them are either not good enough, or not suited to that role. Bojan hasn't quite hit the heights he's capable of this season, I'll concede that, but the fact that Hughes is playing Joe Allen in his position smacks of what a failure Sparky's recruitment policy in midfield has been. Whelan - ageing Imbula - Doesn't seem to have a defensive bone in him Adam - Not a defensive midfielder Afellay - Not a defensive midfielder Joe Allen - Not a defensive midfielder as it turns out. As I said previously Bojan has been chopped because we haven't properly replaced N'Zonzi, if he had a solid foundation behind him then he'd flourish, but that foundation has been made out of spit and jizz for too long and now we're in this position. 30% Bojan not playing well, 70% Hughes' recruitment policy is to blame here in my opinion. Not objective., |
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Post by yamyampotter on Jan 29, 2017 14:18:48 GMT
That's the point, Bojan shouldn't have to work hard, he should be feeding the attack and floating around picking up the scraps, he shouldn't be tracking back, but because the midfield behind him is absolutely non-existent we've had to bring Allen in because he runs everywhere, a Number 10 shouldn't be winning the ball in his own half because the TWO central midfielders behind them are either not good enough, or not suited to that role. Bojan hasn't quite hit the heights he's capable of this season, I'll concede that, but the fact that Hughes is playing Joe Allen in his position smacks of what a failure Sparky's recruitment policy in midfield has been. Whelan - ageing Imbula - Doesn't seem to have a defensive bone in him Adam - Not a defensive midfielder Afellay - Not a defensive midfielder Joe Allen - Not a defensive midfielder as it turns out. As I said previously Bojan has been chopped because we haven't properly replaced N'Zonzi, if he had a solid foundation behind him then he'd flourish, but that foundation has been made out of spit and jizz for too long and now we're in this position. 30% Bojan not playing well, 70% Hughes' recruitment policy is to blame here in my opinion. So essentially what you are saying is we should play 10 men and a passenger. Face facts, he's not the messiah, he's just an average footballer now. It's a shame but his injury has seemingly caused a mental scar and he doesn't seem to know how to rekindle the magic. I agree we need another centre midfielder. Someone like Delph would be perfect. Don't think that is why Bojan has left though. He's talented, but that's part of the frustration. He hasn't impacted games any where near enough this year, and he has become so frustrating to watch. Because he doesn't naturally run round chasing play because he's an 'intelligent player' when he doesn't influence games he still doesn't chase making him look dis interested and I think lazy at times. We miss N Zonzi because he played every game, we won't miss Bojan because he hasn't played and is a squad player. Hughes won a lot of fans over when he signed Bojan, using his Barca connections and seemingly signing someone who was unobtainable at the time. Hughes has won me over on this one because I'm pleased to see he is not afraid to make a difficult decisions on one of his own key signings. |
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 29, 2017 14:20:15 GMT
You couldn't care where we finish? What a bizarre thing for a fan to say.I personally hope it's not in the bottom 3,but it would suit some of the Contrarians on here. We're not going down and we're not going to finish in a spot for Europe so yeah I'm not overly arsed at all. What we should do from now is play the youngsters some more and see if we can save money there. This season has no purpose bar that from now. Another bizarre thing to say when the premier league placement payments are considered. If we finished in 6th position we would be paid £13.6 million more than if we finished 17th. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2017 14:24:00 GMT
We're not going down and we're not going to finish in a spot for Europe so yeah I'm not overly arsed at all. What we should do from now is play the youngsters some more and see if we can save money there. This season has no purpose bar that from now. Another bizarre thing to say when the premier league placement payments are considered. If we finished in 6th position we would be paid £13.6 million more than if we finished 17th. And that's great but I'd rather watch good football. We should of course be having both. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 14:27:02 GMT
One of the "best" players I've ever seen play for Stoke but lightweight and waif-like. Never cut out for the Prem. Also one of the nicest in the group, like Muni.
As someone said above, for those six months, he was part of some of the best, free flowing, liquid football I've ever seen.
Sad times but we have to move on.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 29, 2017 14:29:18 GMT
Honestly can't believe how much stick Allen gets because of how hard he works. Maybe if Bojan had of worked so hard on the pitch with the ability he has he wouldn't be leaving? Allen far more important to us than Bojan, and not just because he works hard. That's the point, Bojan shouldn't have to work hard, he should be feeding the attack and floating around picking up the scraps, he shouldn't be tracking back, but because the midfield behind him is absolutely non-existent we've had to bring Allen in because he runs everywhere, a Number 10 shouldn't be winning the ball in his own half because the TWO central midfielders behind them are either not good enough, or not suited to that role. Bojan hasn't quite hit the heights he's capable of this season, I'll concede that, but the fact that Hughes is playing Joe Allen in his position smacks of what a failure Sparky's recruitment policy in midfield has been. Whelan - ageing Imbula - Doesn't seem to have a defensive bone in him Adam - Not a defensive midfielder Afellay - Not a defensive midfielder Joe Allen - Not a defensive midfielder as it turns out. As I said previously Bojan has been chopped because we haven't properly replaced N'Zonzi, if he had a solid foundation behind him then he'd flourish, but that foundation has been made out of spit and jizz for too long and now we're in this position. 30% Bojan not playing well, 70% Hughes' recruitment policy is to blame here in my opinion. Transfer policy and team selection shouldn't be based on the needs of one player. Players have to adapt to their role and fit in with the players around them. Part of the Bojan problem is that its all about Bojan - he really need to learn its a team game and not a showcase for his (undoubted) talent. Sorry but its a 100% Bojan problem. |
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Post by StokieNath on Jan 29, 2017 14:30:13 GMT
Fucking stupid decision.
Can't get my head around this.
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Post by JimmyisGod on Jan 29, 2017 14:31:58 GMT
Did someone write "he shouldnt have to work hard" !!!
Evey top player works hard
Look at Hazard, Zlatan, Aguero, Messi
Ridiculous thing to say
Bojan is too lightweight for the Premier league
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 29, 2017 14:44:13 GMT
Another bizarre thing to say when the premier league placement payments are considered. If we finished in 6th position we would be paid £13.6 million more than if we finished 17th. And that's great but I'd rather watch good football. We should of course be having both. But would end up with neither playing inexperienced players at this level. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2017 14:46:04 GMT
And that's great but I'd rather watch good football. We should of course be having both. But would end up with neither playing inexperienced players at this level. Why wouldn't we? Seems to be doing Everton good. I hate that attitude. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 29, 2017 14:53:28 GMT
We're not going down and we're not going to finish in a spot for Europe so yeah I'm not overly arsed at all. What we should do from now is play the youngsters some more and see if we can save money there. This season has no purpose bar that from now. Another bizarre thing to say when the premier league placement payments are considered. If we finished in 6th position we would be paid £13.6 million more than if we finished 17th. Never mind the prize money we need 12 more points conceivably from 14 games if this eeek sees two defeats plenty to play for, call it a round £100 million to stay in the league . |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 29, 2017 14:55:10 GMT
Some very strange comments on here... Some people still think he's the new Messi🙂. Ask Ajax fans what they thought of him... Bojan is a sensitive lad who's confidence drops with one loose pass...That's why his form is so up and down, and why clubs keep moving him on.
I wish him well and thank him for some special memories ,but I back Hughes on this one, just..
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 29, 2017 14:56:14 GMT
Did someone write "he shouldnt have to work hard" !!! Evey top player works hard Look at Hazard, Zlatan, Aguero, Messi Ridiculous thing to say Bojan is too lightweight for the Premier league Mmmmmm it's in the name 😀 |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 29, 2017 15:01:25 GMT
So essentially what you are saying is we should play 10 men and a passenger. Face facts, he's not the messiah, he's just an average footballer now. It's a shame but his injury has seemingly caused a mental scar and he doesn't seem to know how to rekindle the magic. I agree we need another centre midfielder. Someone like Delph would be perfect. Don't think that is why Bojan has left though. He's talented, but that's part of the frustration. He hasn't impacted games any where near enough this year, and he has become so frustrating to watch. Because he doesn't naturally run round chasing play because he's an 'intelligent player' when he doesn't influence games he still doesn't chase making him look dis interested and I think lazy at times. We miss N Zonzi because he played every game, we won't miss Bojan because he hasn't played and is a squad player. Hughes won a lot of fans over when he signed Bojan, using his Barca connections and seemingly signing someone who was unobtainable at the time. Hughes has won me over on this one because I'm pleased to see he is not afraid to make a difficult decisions on one of his own key signings. Spot on. It would have been far easier to stick by his own signings - instead he's put the team before individuals which is exactly what I want to see in a manager, There were a lot of complaints before the Watford game about a boring team selection - and we won (comfortably), Hughes gave the Bojan (and others) a chance in the Wolves game and he (and some others) blew it. Hughes reverted to the Watford team for the Sunderland game and we won comfortably. In the meantime Bojan having been given yet another chance to prove himself throws a wobbly. If this turned out to be a showdown between a star player and the manager the club have made the right call and backed the manager and given the reaction of the team in the Sunderland game it looks to me like the manager also has the backing of the players. They know they are in the team on merit - not on reputation or on who brought them to the club. For me this is the right decision for the player and the right decision in terms of the message it sends to the players - and to be fair to the players they seem to understand and respect the message. Its sad to see Bojan leave but I think after some difficult times we're in a good place - a club who clearly back their manager and a manager who has the respect of his players. Having said that this summer is going to be the most important since Hughes's arrival. Some big decisions to be made. |
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Post by Northy on Jan 29, 2017 15:03:47 GMT
Another bizarre thing to say when the premier league placement payments are considered. If we finished in 6th position we would be paid £13.6 million more than if we finished 17th. Never mind the prize money we need 12 more points conceivably from 14 games if this eeek sees two defeats plenty to play for, call it a round £100 million to stay in the league . I read this before I saw who posted it, and guessed to myself who had posted it, I was right, the most negative poster I've ever seen on here Cheer up benji look on the bright side of stoke city life for once |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 29, 2017 15:07:06 GMT
Benji, if you think there's any danger of us being relegated then I seriously worry for your mental health. The teams at the bottom of this league are beyond terrible.
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Post by yamyampotter on Jan 29, 2017 15:09:58 GMT
Losing Bojan and signing Berahino is a massive upgrade for the team and squad. We have the nucleus of a great team, 2 or 3 additions over the next couple of windows including this one and we have a really exciting future.
Yes it's disappointing how Bojan has worked out, but the fact we don't need a direct replacement for him shows his worth to us at the moment.
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Post by madnellie on Jan 29, 2017 15:13:36 GMT
 I hope he comes back |
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Post by mattface on Jan 29, 2017 15:15:06 GMT
Good move all round. Gets some game time but still a Stoke player. Gives all parties time to review in the summer
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Post by parsons75 on Jan 29, 2017 15:15:15 GMT
But would end up with neither playing inexperienced players at this level. Why wouldn't we? Seems to be doing Everton good. I hate that attitude. Sounds like you hate 90% of what the club do these days. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2017 15:17:28 GMT
Why wouldn't we? Seems to be doing Everton good. I hate that attitude. Sounds like you hate 90% of what the club do these days. I pretty disillusioned with most of it yes. The loaning out of the loan players is probably the best thing to happen this season. It's really good to see. And the FA Youth Cup run has been good too. On a first team front the signing of Berahino is excellent and then nothing much really. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 15:17:37 GMT
Why wouldn't we? Seems to be doing Everton good. I hate that attitude. Sounds like you hate 90% of what the club do these days. And he's on here 24 hours a day telling everyone about it. |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 29, 2017 15:22:48 GMT
Sounds like you hate 90% of what the club do these days. And he's on here 24 hours a day telling everyone about it. 88,000 + posts... I take it you're not impressed ?😀 |
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Post by penkvillepotter on Jan 29, 2017 15:27:37 GMT
If this was a five point survey ranging from excellent to abysmal, I'd be firmly in the middle, not bothered either way. To me, not caring is worse than either throwing a party if he stays or contemplating topping mesen if he goes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 15:34:06 GMT
We have to trust the club and the manager. It's those down at Clayton Wood that see the squad on a daily basis and know what their thoughts and current mental state and performance levels are.
We see them for 90 minutes either every week and/or every other week. It's not a lot to judge them on really.
He's made mistakes, every manager does, but we have to go with it and trust he's getting this one right.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2017 15:35:29 GMT
We have to trust the club and the manager. It's those down at Clayton Wood that see the squad on a daily basis and know what their thoughts and current mental state and performance levels are. We see them for 90 minutes either every week and/or every other week. It's not a lot to judge them on really. He's made mistakes, every manager does, but we have to go with it and trust he's getting this one right. Agreed but the last 12/18 months have completely eroded that trust for me and it's just not there. This is another nail in his coffin. |
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Post by caine on Jan 29, 2017 15:37:00 GMT
Not in Mainz squad today guessing not eligible
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 15:37:31 GMT
We have to trust the club and the manager. It's those down at Clayton Wood that see the squad on a daily basis and know what their thoughts and current mental state and performance levels are. We see them for 90 minutes either every week and/or every other week. It's not a lot to judge them on really. He's made mistakes, every manager does, but we have to go with it and trust he's getting this one right. Agreed but the last 12/18 months have completely eroded that trust for me and it's just not there. This is another nail in his coffin. That's your opinion Bayern and everyone is entitled to that. He hasn't got a whole lot wrong over the last 3 years in my eyes, and I've had a fair old moan this season. I'm going with him on this one. If you or others aren't, then that's fair enough. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 29, 2017 15:39:52 GMT
Not in Mainz squad today guessing not eligible Or maybe they're only gonna play him occasionally  |
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Post by mrred on Jan 29, 2017 15:41:47 GMT
We have to trust the club and the manager. It's those down at Clayton Wood that see the squad on a daily basis and know what their thoughts and current mental state and performance levels are. We see them for 90 minutes either every week and/or every other week. It's not a lot to judge them on really. He's made mistakes, every manager does, but we have to go with it and trust he's getting this one right. I don't see how it's a wrong one. Barely looked like a footballer when he's featured. If he gets regular game time over there, it's win win for us. Though Hughes has made me want to pull my hair out at times over the last years, I trust his judgement on his players that he sees training every day. As it is this season, we're not losing anything by not having Bojan in the squad. |
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I hope he comes back 
